#*calls ppl wanting palestine’s freedom antisemitic*

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this may be a misworded take but: watching (white) conservatives cover the current israel/palestine conflict happening and act as though they’ve always cared about jewish people antisemitism yadda yadda is so fucking (un)funny like. no. no. no. you don’t care about any of that shit. you don’t give the slightest fuck about jewish people, you’re only pretending to care about them because right now the people in israel are currently bombing and genociding the one group of people you hate more

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Is it insensitive to wish my Jewish friends both online and in person happy Hanukkah while supporting Palestine? I saw your post saying "If you want to wish Jews a happy Hanukkah but you don’t believe that Jews have a right to exist in their historical, ethnic, and religious ancestral homeland, then don’t. " And wondered immediately how to interact in general with the Jewish community at this time as I'm pro Palestine but also genuinely want Jewish ppl to have a good holiday. Can I say happy Hanukkah in a post and reblog menorahs I find pretty while also reblogging about Palestine being under genocide and supporting freedom? I'm neither Jewish or Palestinian so I'd rly like your opinion on this since your post struck me! X

Supporting Palestine does not contradict supporting Jews. Many Jews, like myself, are supporters of a Free Palestine.

However, antisemitism does in fact contradict supporting Jews (for obvious reasons) so my questions to you are: do you take active steps to avoid antisemitism in your activism? are you aware of common antisemitic tropes and do you steer clear of them? do you excuse violence against Jews? have you taken steps to understand the jewish people and their history/culture, so that you do not participate in their distortion? do you make sure not to spread misinformation that endangers jews in diaspora and in israel? do you deny jewish people self-determination? do you deny jewish people rights and freedoms that you support for others?

In short, Jews do not want empty allyship. We feel like we have been largely abandoned by gentiles and we deal with antisemitism everyday. Having people wish us a Happy Hanukkah while contributing to said antisemitism is just a punch in the face. So, if you can't materially support Jews while we face rising antisemitism, demonization, distortion of our history, calls for our genocide, etc. then we just don't want to hear it.

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just to let you know, not trying to attack you or anything, spacelazarwolf is a zionist and has been repeatedly trying to shift the focus away from palestinians & blocked me over a post saying that if you are pro-israel or neutral don't interact so that is not necessarily the best place to support palestinians from

i appreciate you sharing this! with any ask like this, i understand you’re coming in good faith but want to deconstruct it and have a further discussion before i commit to the opinion change asked of me. these are my thoughts from my current research, though cause ive followed him for a while im not immune to bias.

he’s a zionist: broad and unhelpful accusation. in this post he’s stated his opinions on zionism and israel’s government, which definitely doesn’t seem like support.

he’s trying to shift focus from palestinians: he still posts a lot of palestinian support and does irl palestinian support too. be careful that you’re not viewing posts about judaism/antisemitism as an inherent detraction from palestine-posting more than any other topic of post is.

he blocked you after your post against ppl who are pro/neutral on israel: i cant confirm this as you haven’t shared the post (you’re not obligated to, it just means i can’t address it)

ok the rest is points i started thinking about while researching so debate is very welcome and appreciated: firstly whether an israel should exist in any capacity is a separate matter to the occupation and genocide of palestine (which obviously needs to stop and palestinians should have freedom and equality). i have fuckshit surface knowledge about both groups’ history in the region and how to do peaceful long term geopolitics, but a lot of people and groups who know more than me are advocating for both states to exist equally so i don’t want to outright reject the idea with my current level of knowledge. basically i don’t know enough to have opinions on what should happen to israel after a permanent ceasefire but it’s probably not as simple as israel ceasing to be and all becoming palestine (or whatever you would mean by anti-israel, that’s the thing about these labels they don’t communicate clear political beliefs). (also below is a group i saw whose plan for peace includes an israel alongside palestine, if you want to understand that proposal)

again i do not have all the facts and am open to being challenged on any of this, especially the last part as my understanding of the conflict’s history is still developing. this is just from my current research. my making this into a discussion isn’t meant to imply you’re acting in bad faith or necessarily wrong, just trying to be thorough in the validity of the accusations and remembering it’s possible either of us don’t know enough to be ‘pro/neutral/anti-israel’ beyond calling for palestinian equality and safety.

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Please don't reblog. This is a personal rant.

Had to block like 4 ex-mutuals for just blatantly supporting Hamas, the antisemitic terrorist group that ppl for some reason pretend is a freedom fighting group for Palestine. I feel so fucking unsafe right now. I am begging you people to use some fucking critical thinking skills. Just because Israel's government is the bad guy doesn't mean Hamas is the good guy.

Hamas is openly antisemitic. They deny that the holocaust happened. It's not that hard to understand. It's not that hard to support Palestine without being fucking antisemitic. I'm genuinely horrified with how many people I considered friends have just been like "yeah I want to donate to Hamas :)" like fuck off. All of you. You have made it clear you don't really care. You hop on whatever side you think is the radical left and don't fucking think about what you are saying. You are not immune to propaganda.

Free Palestine. But also maybe don't also deny the holocaust and call for the death of Jews. What the fuck is wrong with you.

Palestine deserves so much better than this bullshit from Americans pretending to do something meaningful.