#(I say to a degree up there bc I think ppl go way too far with the criticisms like the one person who posted the Charlotte family identical

[mako-island-moon-pool]

Personally of the belief that live action fans who go onto animanga posts uninvited like 'I DESPERATELY NEED YOU TO KNOW THAT I THINK THE ART STYLE IS UGLY EVEN THO THIS OPINION IS IRRELEVANT TO THE POST' should be hit with a big rock. We already moved past this ten years ago, get with it or get lost. Swallow the hunger inside of you that demands everything be palatable to you. Maybe you could stand to be a little uncomfortable for a while

[redding]

I don’t get why people hated Thorne the way they did like she made me so sad lol People will laugh how she was clearly more invested in a genuine friendship with Rick while he was ready to kill her but that’s tragic af? That the only purpose she has is to be another cog in a facist regime because she has NOTHING no hope of escape, and her only connection isn’t reciprocated to the same degree. Idk I just wish she could’ve lived man 😭

SAY THATTTTT. literally she had nothing! no hope no love nothing outside of the crm which she fully devoted herself to post okafors death because she couldn't function or live without something to believe in. like she Had to give herself over to it and it Had to be right because what else was there for her???

and her and rick make me so sad god. because she so obviously does care about him (but never more than the cause bc who is she without a purpose?) and—can and will die on this hill btw—rick cares abt her!! he could have easily done what he did with esteban at first and w like literally everyone else and shut himself off and refused to connect but they knew each other! they drank and trained and played poker and fought together! but the virtually dead version of rick he had to become over the years (the only version pearl knows and the one she is confident she knows well) starts to disappear the second he reunites w michonne like it never stood a chance. and the version of rick she "meets" in ep 6 after realizing pretty much the only person left that she cares about lied to her and betrayed the crm, with hope and the woman he loves and a reason for him to keep going and fight, is one she can't quite wrap her head around. and the fact that she yells at michonne and asks how she found him, says that "in a dead world love is dead"......ouch!!!! like she's too far gone but she's Not almost. it's too painful for her to think that her giving up on her love and giving in to the crm was the wrong choice, that it was all for nothing and that things could have gone differently for her if she hadn't lost hope. Ugh pearl thorne imy i sorry twdu hates sexy people

i loveeee talking about her sm it was so aggravating when so many ppl were like making fun of her and not at All looking at what her character meant and why she did the things she did!!! and i am so so happy other ppl feel like you do abt her thank you for the ask and giving me an excuse to talk a lot come back any time 🫶

[intertexts]

OK. OK OK OK. HI. IM AT WORK NOW SO THIS IS GONNA BE DISJOINTED AND NOT MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE BUT IM COOKING SO THIS REQUIRES AN ASK AND NOT A REPLY BC THOSE HAVE CHARACTER LIMITS (cooking both metaphorically and literally because it's 95 degrees outside at 9am and it is so so so so fucking humid) oh god get me out of the kitchen before i start burning things!!!

this could be Nothing. bc again I desperately need 2 learn more about cauldron and their motivations and such. BUT. going back to the tide/leviathan comparisons because they're making me kind of insane and i want to give him a Complex about it. because if we're not going to lobotomize him I need 2 hurt him in other ways (sorry dad)

so. this doesn't EXACTLY work 1:1 because there are only 3 endbringers and only 2 of them seem to be element-focused as far as i know. but if we have tide as a comparison to leviathan, we also have MAGMA who could be a comparison to behemoth if my thoughts are correct and behemoth is . big fire guy (he sleeps in a volcano so. I'm assuming.) . granted we also have like. whirlwind and shockwave and seismic who are the other elementals and they don't actually have an endbringer counterpart BUT IM !!!! going a little crazy thinking about like. if tide + his siblings are artificial capes, what if they (or at least he and magma because I'm kind of thinking abt them as the older ones. havent listened to the oneshot in a while so this may not be accurate) were given their powers SPECIFICALLY to be counters to the endbringers. or at least in an attempt to make a cape equivalent of the endbringers to better like... study their powerset or something. (I keep saying cauldron studies things bc I said that with david too and this really just comes from my inherent need for a big evil science team. in worm it seems like they're more capitalism focused but let a guy dream here)

this also brings up an interesting point with Elle who i know u don't know yet but she could be an interesting counterpoint to simurgh? Who as far as I know now isn't necessarily elemental but . neither is Elle really!! and that creates the big disaster in the oneshot bc she can't control her powers and goes kind of nuts about it.

anyway anyway anyway. tldr; tide and magma were specifically created as parallels to leviathan and behemoth, this wouldn't really be common knowledge to the rest of the capes bc of cauldrons secrecy BUT i think ppl would definitely notice the similarities in their powersets and that makes a subconscious fear response in people who have seen an endbringer attack firsthand (I believe in scary intimidating tide supremacy but then you talk to him and he's the sweetest human being in the whole world) . tide and magma both know this and have complicated emotions about it. I think tide has a very bad reaction to the leviathan attack if we are keeping that as an event that happens.

OR IT COULD ALL BE COINCIDENCE AND THIS IS NOTHING. but until i learn more about cauldron I am choosing to view them as my favorite trope of big evil science corporation <3333

OHH U R FUCKING COOKING DUDE YEAH <333

it is. so hard whenever u r talking about cauldron.... mallard conway ass levels of "oh okay i literally Cannot talk about this or else im accidentally gonna say spoilers." but. i DO think this goes so hard & conceivably makes sense for cauldron to do...... man one day in the far future we're gonna have to sit down and talk about if cauldron even would exist in this au. but. for now. hehehe :33 & i will say!!! i will say!!! research is. involved, in what they do. you are not off the mark.

ANYWAY. love this for him so much..... the way he moves and acts in a fight echoes leviathan.... does he have that water afterimage too??? when he's fighting?? because that shits cool as hell he should have it. i'm always just really ill over someone made to be a weapon who never wanted to be one.... tide you have to be at the leviathan fight but you shouldn't be :(((

i gotta listen to the elementals oneshot i have it downloaded rn.. i wanna know elle's deal because you have just said something unwittingly extremely funny & i need to know What happens to her before i comment on it!!!! anyway!!!! thinking abt tide lambert forever & always...

[box0pals]

//You 'may' reply to this post to discuss anything of interest or talk to me in dms. But I ask that you behave and don't act entitled toward me if you choose to engage. This will be a neutral grounds post so I don't want any camp 'I hate the series with a passion' or camp 'I will blindly praise it' pls.

Just some HH/HB thoughts, along with of interest.

//So where to begin?

I guess. Hm. The fandom in general has a schism within it that people either blatantly point out or try their hardest to ignore that it's just a minority? It is kind of a shame. It's what has turned me from a lot of discussion, but I see more and more people express displeasure for the series or outright doing their own thing, while also still liking it. I am GLAD it's being looked at critically for the series as a whole now? But eeeh, I guess naively I was too hopeful for peaceful discussion or acknowledgement. Then Viv feeding into drama and that's a whole other mess that just causes the divide to be even wider?

I think I'm somewhere in the middle of the road where narrative wise I like HH more than HB, but I don't think HB is without merit. I think both fulfill the job 'well enough' though I can see the series struggling possibly in what's to come and kinda see the cracks there already?

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That outta the way?

I feel as though people mischaracterized the entire power-scaling of the Overlords. Ppl are allowed their headcanons and depending on how well-written it is? I sometimes see in the fandom and the rpc them being grossly stronger than they probably are? As I don't think any of them could take down Adam for example in single combat given what we saw other than maybe those at the highest. As surely, Adam isn't just weak, right? Maybe stupid. But not weak and considering how Charlie and the Hotel n Co took them down with Lucifer to take down the main guy? It's hrm. Where do we go from here with Lilith potentially being the antagonist? And are the Overlords really that much of a threat if the Exorcists are that much of a danger to them? There's a lot of speculation, could've been narrative, but I'm mostly questioning HH this way bc it's MEANT to be more serious than HB.

But even then I question? Eh, as I think I really only have a problem with Overlord scaling is saying they're like: at Sin Level Power unless MAYBE at the very top of the echelon. As what's keeping them in pride than other than maybe contractually from being sinners, yeah? If they were as strong as Sins? They could take over certain aspects then. So yeah I mean if a McGuffin is keeping them in line? Sure w/e, but I hope maaaybe there's a power grab toward one of the Sins possibly to clear this up. (I'm fine with w/e ur doing btw. If I'm following you, I only do when examining you at least on a surface level if I think we could talk)

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I am grateful to the series itself expanding things in such a way that I feel like I have a good direction now. Of just redirecting my own scaling and being more generous, since eh, I thought the Overlords would be far more powerful too. So rather than going COMPLETELY off the rails while also not being completely invasive to canon, undermining characters or otherwise? I like where I am now here. I feel like to some degree I can be apart of the fandom but not directionless other than to just humor. Along with making an Exorcist OC now that I have a better idea of how they work, along with how their leader is lol so I feel like I could make Mari'al fairly messed up as a concept, while also not making her overpowered. Then using my Verosika's backstory with Blitz? Evangeline being more canon confined but also expanded? Eh, I like where I've gone and the people who talk to me frequently do as well it seems.

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What are your experiences in the fandom? Any major changes you've ever done? Things you've noticed that you didn't like or did like? I kinda went from really hyped to really bummed out to having interest in it again as I waited for the dust to settle on something more concrete. But far more tempered for my expectations this time around, along towards w/e Viv gets up to on their socials.

[secondchoice-ragdoll]

Do you think Trixie ever had feelings for Katya?

hiyaaaaaay now thats definitely a question😭 disclaimer: this is veeeery wishy-washy and fanfiction-y, based on barely anything else but *vibes* and my observations. this is strictly my perspective, and may not at all overlap w anyone's involved. none of this should be treated as actual information (just like anything else i say, pretty much).

so the quick answer is: yes. (but "feelings" is very broad)

in depth: i am 99,9% sure the answer is yes. at some point(/s), to some degree, some kinds of feelings, definitely yes. in the beginning it (whatever it was) seemed to pair with a sort of admiartion, which im sure they still have, but back then K could have been more like a far away, untouchable, sensational concept, now K is closer and she knows her well and loves and trusts her (and she is her god. never forget that😭😭😭). like rn she for sure loves K very very dearly and very very much. do you know abt that kind of love when u r not exactly sure what box to put it into, but all that matters is that its there and its a big feeling. and maybe u would be open to it being sexual/romantic too, but u might as well be fine w nothing of the sort ever happening, u just want to keep each other close. well they seem to fall under this bracket from where i stand.

obvi we know K has vocalised her opinion on the matter back in the days pretty clearly. and i'd argue that she has kept doing so up until very recently. and i'd also argue that so did T. like, the jig has been up for a decade, i think atp its their subconscious speaking sometimes, and they might not even be fully aware of how they r coming off (for example: the way they kept describing each other when asked abt their ideal partners. like, im sure they do not spend their days actively pining for each other. but like. u see it, i see it, we all see it?). im not saying they'd be perfect together w no issues and no rough times, bc thats just not realistic at all, but i know for a fact that they do love each other so very much im not even sure what a person can do w that intensitiy. (do they love each other the most? like, im not joking here, do u remember the times they have both said things like "u r my fav person" or "i definitely love u very much" or T pressing K on who she loves the most until she said her name? like??? if things have happened in the last months then i think ppl might have fallen out of Ts line who had a chance at being higher on the list (for a few possible reasons. such as being a romantic partner and how u r "supposed to" place those ones higher. but i get that. i just also have a lot of feeling abt this, surprisingly) then they *do* do love each other the most, dont they? so its all veeery complicated w them😭

the thing i am not certain abt is if T ever called it what it was, even only to herself. bc. like she doesnt seem to be a very big fan of said possibility of said feelings towards said person regardless of whether or not its true. like yes she will float the idea as a """joke""" of K being her partner at netflick in the middle of watching something totally irrelevant. but as a sentimental deep and actual reality im decently sure she does not like it. at different times of the last decade for different reasons (understandable ones, if i might add. the worst of it is that i can easily justify everything from both ends and thats why its just so UGH bc i get it. but i still think they r silly for doing things the way they do them). i think she knows on a level of being aware of what time it is, but the most in-character thing in my head would be for her to just go "no💗 like okay i see u i hear u i cant do anything but accept the fact that there is smth but just no. we got to stop, we cant be doing this. so i will not be acknowledging anything of the sort. bye". like ik it sounds stupid spelled out like this, but what i mean is that i feel like she worked on putting these things neatly away (before they even really had a chance to form into a graspable thought), and despite the box being made of glass and a little seetrought here and there, she seems to be content abt it being as it is.

and for how things are since her break? not a single fucking clue. i couldnt even tell u if i got paid to do so. i have a few ideas, all of them being based on even more nothing of a nothing than any of my other ideas. but i am seated for whenever we will be hearing abt how things went, or just seeing how things r when she is back. hope she is doing amazing wherever she is!!

[xx-psych0-rabbit-xx]

Zan Partizanne :)

First impression:my amino bestie told me briefly abt her but since i didnt own a switch i ended up getting 3DS team clash, so we immediately went to talking abt taranza lol

Impression now:if the last seven months ever since january 14th havent left this clear enough for anyone i am absolutely utterly obsessed w her.shes my everything my girlie pop my poor little thing my funny mean girl my silly rabbit.if she were in any other franchise shed be up there in utterly inherently doomed characters.shes so lucky shes in the friendship game series.

Favorite moment:i love the silly pose she has going on before her first boss fight, but the cutscene after it is so funny, but also the scene where hyness smacks her away is literally the defining moment in leaving KSAs relationship theme clear.can i say everything i have seen i wanna say everything i have seen

Idea for a story:theres soooo much stuff you can explore w her...her overly attached relationship w hyness, her backstory w the suicide attempt n its relationship to her ending up the most loyal member of a cult, why shes so rude towards others on the official twitter, her postgame development after being in a death cult for god knows how long, her relationship w her sisters seeming a bit one sided depending on how you read her never being bought up when it comes to the other two, shes so cool n interesting i love her.sm to think abt.perfect for autism

Unpopular opinion:i kindaaa.feel ppl take her rly at face value in a way ngl? i feel shes just the "the serious loyal one" in stuff p often (or the mean one but i forgive that bc zan being mean is hilarious) idk the lack of attention to the degree of loyalty she actually has to the point of tolerating anything hyness does to her just annoys me a bit.yeah shes the loyal one but not to a good nice healthy degree !!! (ik its ironic to complain abt how the cult in general is portrayed by fans after ive mostly complained abt the ppl that straight up ignore them but i am annoying n never satisfied X3)

Favorite relationship:from canon its gotta be w hyness.bc its so bad LMAO.absolutely utterly unbalanced n unhealthy, once again the peak of KSAs relationship theme, from kirbys neverending friendship that helped former foes improve as ppl to zans one sided love n loyalty for a man who treats her like garbage bc he saved her years ago.the themes man the themes.he literally sacrifices herself after throwing her n her sisters around like weapons n girl was still there looking for him in the extra mode.the standards r underground for you miss partizanne.

for "would it be cool if they interacted or what?":taranza n susie tbh.taranza parallels her story w hyness through his own w sectonia n susie is the absolute opposite of her, so i think either of them would give a rlyyy interesting conversation.guy who was just a little less loyal to the point of realizing when it had gone too far (tbf it took sectonia trying to kill him.which still leaves taranza w higher standards than zan lmao) n girl who pretended to be loyal so bad when she hated her boss the whole time n took fixing his behavior into her own hands.theyre such a fun little trio of fucked up ppl

Favorite headcanon:instead of a serious one ill just say im never giving up my insistence to draw her w yellow eyes hyness get her n flamberge contacts right fucking now.why do the sisters all share the exact same eye color.susies similar looking n theyre blue too r they part of some blue eyed species whats going on.why r they blue kumazaki why did you do this to me

[xirae]

Thinking of myself as a “gaylienated” individual lately. What I feel bad about is that so much of the alienation stems from living my comfortable suburban life. Tbh no one has ever said anything about it to me, don’t even think I’ve read that much criticism about it online, but I’m very aware that even though I’m not The Rich, the privileges come in fast. Growing up in a family with money to exist is just huge. We don’t vacation on a yacht but we vacationed. To have something so precious as the ability to travel, and then to say things that it felt empty and barren induces a lot of guilt. Internet is imo very on the “suburbanites and similar classes are closer to everyone else vs the 1%” and it’s true and I’m never going to come at someone’s throat for it, but ime it has material benefits not everyone else gets. it feels difficult to communicate the severe alienation and dissatisfaction those benefits still produce. So now things like advertisements on tv, the rare occasion I watch it, make me feel insanely guilty. And then it’s like when I have friends who are trying to be upwardly mobile and I’m thinking “it’s not what you think it is, it’s not worth it” I feel so obnoxious even though I think the scars and emptiness are real

Tying it into GAY-lienated , a lot of my disconnect from gay culture is bc of suburbia. Bc when it comes to drag and ballroom, a lot of the sayings goes these cultures were created from necessity, from the hard life of being poor, often also racially marginalized in a big city that actively criminalizes your existence. It’s never going to be a culture I can fully be a part of. For me hyperpop felt like the first “queer” culture that resonated so completely and so honestly and so naturally, and now it’s been completely, but now it’s in its death throes and I’m not even where the music is at anyway. IE Fraxiom and Alice Longyu Gao are having a show omgggg but it’s in Chicago. I need to live in a CITY to be connected to a music or club scene it feels like, which adds even more complications and class dynamics

Tbh like survive gays figure it out, but it’s the ones who still have some sort of social savvy to them. And a lot of them have hobbies that kind of straddle weird - they like Nintendo, shonen, stuff like that. Stuff that definitely was weird, and is still weird in very normie circles, but I still consider not as far down the iceberg as I am persay. I think a lot of these have been normalized to some degree, and these interests are way easier to connect to others with. I still respect the Nintendo gay but I feel like I experience a form of alienation the Nintendo gay does not. Tbh, being an artist or critic is an extremely alienating experience. I don’t think a lot of ppl would find a movie like Fassbinder’s Chinese Rouelette very fun, cold intellectualism is NOT in. And I don’t blame ppl, but sometimes it feels like the gays of yore were more particular, intellectual, and brutal in their tastes in a way that’s missing today. But I could be wrong, what do I know, im a gaylienated individual.

Just sucks being the Noise Music hyperpop Cold Intellectual Artsy Freak bc I just can’t penetrate other gays for the life of me. It’s too unique for its own good. Where is the world where ppl are weird and artsy and intellectual for its own sake and it’s not a culture cut off by necessity and survival?

[golbrocklovely]

Nobody cares about Sam the way they do Colby, they can pretend to but they don’t. Thats the answer to Colby getting shitted on for any little thing while Sam sometimes does stuff to get people talking and they don’t . Sam subtweets,throws shade at times towards Colby,Kat and other influencers and no one bats an eye.They pretend they don’t see his comments and all the man has to do is delete and not answer anyone that comes at him. He talks about the most disconnected, privileged stuff, some reply and it lands on deaf ears because he doesn’t react and keeps going like no one said anything. He’s blocked people on twitter recently because they brought up his hairline and his flakiness and although those people spoke out, no one cared. Colby has proven time and time again that what people say gets to him, and the bad thing is he responds to it so that feeds the haters and fuels the fire. Its like they get a rise out of getting a reaction from him. As long he keeps feeding into it, they will use anything against him to get a reaction out if him. Its a sick game.

i have a bit of a controversial opinion about sam's fans that i'm gonna save for a later date bc highkey i don't feel like getting into it rn lol

but as for what you said, i think to some degree there are a lot of fans that see sam as this sage, older brother so they listen to him but don't actually take in what he's saying. i think a lot of that has to do with fans being younger and or less experienced in life. so they hear what he's got to say and agree with him outright bc to them he's lived more life. he's more successful and has done more than them so why not listen to him?

but then some of us older/more experienced fans look at what he says and just kinda… blink at it. like, yeah i guess what you said can be true, but that's also not how most ppl's lives work.

i also believe that sam comes across as calm, cool, and collected emotionally and generally. so fans that don't feel that way about themselves think "oh i have to listen to him bc i want to be like that myself." when in reality, sam is a workaholic, emotional mess who's scared of losing his youth but pretends to know what he's doing and constantly works to the bone bc he can't be stagnant long enough to be left alone with his emotions/thoughts.

he's good at hiding all that, for the most part. but if you read between the lines, even for a second, you see the seams falling apart.

i also think you are right about why ppl hate on colby more; colby tries his best to apologize. he interacts with those that hate him, and that in itself garners more haters. they want a reaction and they know they can get one from colby. sam, bc either a) he doesn't care enough to interact or b) doesn't think he did anything wrong, ignores those that send hate his way. he doesn't apologize, he doesn't hash it out. he just says what he wants, and if ppl hate it, he deletes it and never brings it up again. now, idk if that's any better than what colby does, but it definitely works in sam's favor. bc half of the shit colby has been called out for, sam has ALSO done. but bc he doesn't try to fix it or be apologetic, no one remembers it.

as for sam blocking fans, i wish snc would block more of them tbh. some fans go too far, regardless of if they were just trying to be playful or silly or whatever. some say mean shit, so they deserve a block. you don't get to go on a public platform, @ your favorite creators and say mean shit to them and think you can get off scot-free. you ain't besties with them. they don't KNOW YOU. so what you think is a joke just comes across as hate.

and for all the things to yell at sam for, making fun of his hairline (which is something he has made apparent is a sore spot for him) is fucked. to said fans that did that, you deserve the block.

[fetabathwater]

so can i ask how you see amma and gortash's relationship prior to receiving a knife in the head? ive seen how other people write it and then i found your fics and im interested in how you came to liking the dark urge and gortash

honestly found it due to insanity. < joking.

on a serious note my kryptonite in games has always been some degree of connection between characters, because i have such a love/hate relationship with how it widens the world and interpersonal relationships but can also simultaneously seem to make everything seem relatively small. but with bg3 i kind of really like that balance there because like, anything is quite frankly possible with durge anyway - the only traits are like 1) spawn of bhaal 2) serial killer (?) 3) worked with the other dead three chosen within the last 2 years and 4) was knifed by another chosen of bhaal and tadpoled. you can make up anything and everything because the game is dnd and the rules are whatever, too. yeah you get context clues from other characters, like that ketheric fundamentally can't stand anyone, but the chosen(s) of bhaal more so, and he tolerated the durge bc at least they had a work ethic (LOL), and gortash like plans 500 steps ahead so made it his prime directive to touch base with the bhaalist leader and be like, hey man, wanna go break into some places with me? or wanna take over the world? raphael is also there. yknow.

also definitely the delivery of lines sold me too - not just gortash's VA, but the way orin kind of like looooaaattthhhheeesss how durge was seemingly wrapped up in other shit ( slash sarevok is even like. yeah you thought you were untouchable and didnt notice that orin was making her own move for the throne . idiot. stupidhead. worst chosen next 2 me). also all the other characters as well who have something to say, like kressa, helsik and naaber, never mind all of the moonrise tower and then the quests in act 3, but starting earlier with just partially revealed information.

i . okay yeah like i have seen some interesting sort of takes of durge / gortash and each to their own etc etc but i think that the durge has a lot more agency than ppl wanna give them credit for, and i think people also vastly underestimate that gortash also seemingly underestimated them as well - like just bc durge wrote some like note about forgive me father but i am being charmed by the chosen of bane (however u wanna interpret that ofc), they did still end it with oh well ! i'll probably feel a tiny smidgen of guilt when i backstab him but we're gonna end the world in ur name dad ! praise bhaal! LIKE. THE DURGE WAS DEFINITELY GONNA STILL KILL EVERYONE - EVEN THE NETHERBRAIN WAS LIKE. YEAH YOU HELD IT ALL TOGETHER AND YOU SCARED ME EVEN A LITTLE BIT. YOU WERE GONNA KILL EVERYONE.

honestly though ive barely actually posted anythign i have written for them teehee i checked. it was like 2 fics. 1 of them they were fucking. so i mean take that how you will ... but like i mean amma and gortash's "relationship" extends back longer than what the range of the game gives, at least in my mind and what ive like. got an idea of anyway for her pre-bg3 life / adventures were like. but as far as how they like interact it is barely above tolerable. towards the absolute sort of planning it is running a lot warmer, but theyre just. aware of each other. in some similar circles because of well. lower city activities etc. a general equal partnership with stepping on each others toes, seeing how far to push the other. amma probably does hold on some threatening level a bit more of a . position. just because like (okay hindsight compared to orin), it is literally her own person not having her run gortash through - and he knows that. with orin he makes her basically agree to a magical contract to not harm him, but amma's the only thing holding herself back from just like. killing him. and for the most part she probably would just be mildly inconvenienced and it would probably leave her bed running a bit cold but like. she would bounce back. it would just INCONVENIENCE the plan heavily because chosen of bane are few and far between.

and also she knows that gortash also primarily gives the targets that are convenient for him, and there definitely times when it was bordering on a bit too much pointing and doing - and in her mind not enough equal weight pulling definitely. very much a case of balancing the scales in terms of doing their part, especially with the like multiple heists they perform (at least 3 minimum), and not just being aware of the other especially prior to both being selected as the chosen of their respective god. but yeah. there is no real "love" between them, no love lost either. arguably amma doesnt really know what love is, or in her own roundabout way expresses it much in the way of loving something so much you have the urge to eat it. yeah, amma does have a slight attachment, one that kind of hits a higher speed immediately prior to being knifed and tadpoled, because that is when we get the heists and actual partnership and its not just the introduction of the steel watch and him clawing his way up the social ladder by encouraging favour by lords and ladies and their beds, and its not the bhaalists just kind of sitting by idle and waiting for something to kick them into gear because yeah people are dying but at the same time, its not striking the fear into people's hearts like it used to, just letting them fade into history, despite bhaal's return like 10yrs prior.

amma kind of hates that gortash actually gave her a way to bring them back into the fray, and that she also does have to hold off from not ending him before the plan would have worked completely. a lot of that feeling is in the few times that she does like, strike out at him, either with planned wounds or if she has violently lashed out in general and even when they fuck, honestly. when amma does wrangle herself back into that position of control, especially in a position where gortash is incredibly vulnerable, its messes with her hatred so bad. she doesnt know if he is willingly submitting to her, because yeah she loves a bit of fighting back, hair pulling, scratching, getting told off, what can she say. definitely does something to her. but amma kind of loves when she's almost literally got him underfoot.

she wouldve followed the plan through to the end as well, so it is a mixed blessing for a lot of people that orin took an opportunity to strike at her.

ultimately its not so much that whole like 'i can fix him / i can make him worse' stuff either, because like amma did have a chance at a "normal" life, but she still returned to the temple of bhaal (whether or not by her own choice is ofc . debatable lmao). gortash was sold to a warlock, beaten in the house of hope routinely, escaped only to wind up in street gangs, eventually made his way to being an arms dealer, worked up the social ladder with equal parts sex and money and blackmail, sold possibly his friend into slavery for technology (we just really dont know the full extent of what zariel promised yknow), was the one who reached out to the bhaalist leader and concocted the idea to raid a vault or two, both in faerun and the hells. like, they were choices that were made, to keep them both firmly though on the side of like... theyre not realistically good people, their childhoods definitely shaped them, but they didnt try to change then and there. they just stay the same, and there is no getting better or worse. there just is.

[t4tpumpkinduo]

cquackbur<3

okay. listen to me. to an extent, i support and agree, and i can be understanding on the base appeal and i can go so far to meet halfway and say maybe i kind of like it sometimes maybe. but to act like the fandom's treatment of everyone involved hasn't deeply soured me on it would be 👍a lie.

first off, i feel like it's the klance of the dsmp lmao. ppl more obsessed w a sharply to the left idealized version of something rather than what's actually on screen, and it's kind of almost insulting to me, because there IS so much there to be enjoyed and explored and unpacked, and yet its squandered bcs people just can't stop being fucking insane and weird abt it and that leads well into my point abt ppl being insane and weird abt cee wilbur ill get to that right now actually.

ive mentioned before that i really really despise the woobification of wilbur in the fan base and that deffo doesn't change in tntduo spaces, if anything it's worse. i feel like people are very eager to scrub away his flaws and agency to make him very palatable, more easy to defend and consume instead of accepting the complexity that their guy kinda sucks bad and that's OKAY 👍 he's deeply hurt and complicated and painfully human, and he's understandable i fucking feel for the guy i really do, but he's also. he can also be very very selfish, and very cruel, and very quick to hurt others in a pursuit to feel good about himself and only himself and it isn't. okay. and he does this a lot w quackity.

wilbur isn't nice to q. he doesn't seem to particularly respect him, not really see him as an "equal" and ESPECIALLY not originally, and while he does come around a bit more, he still puts q on a weird pedestal that q bristles at more than people like to think. and in that tntduo haze, along w that specific brand of wilbur soot apologism, people brush right past those kinda flaws and just. ugh.

one good example of this is the fanbase general consensus of "omggg look at nikis birthday party 😻 look at their romance!!" like wilbur didn't spend the latter half of that calling q worthless and only good to be looked at (something quackity explicitly goes over and over hey fellas can you please not do that to me if i don't ask for it. please.) and the schlatt's bitch isms and then pulling a long ass PURPOSEFUL powerplay where q had to practically beg him to calm down and listen and not blow up manburg, if he could please just give him a chance to talk to schlatt, and niki in the bg of her own party clamoring for wilbur to look at Her abt it please talk to Her abt it and him flatly ignoring her to fuck around w q. but yeah true love♡♡ yeah im sure q walked away from that one incredibly smitten.

or another great example, the way all of hitting on 16 tends to be treated. this interesting conflicting story that shows quackity DOES like parts of wilburs back and forths, he clearly does care abt him, he is clearly having a degree of fun, and just like before wilbur can't stop taking it too far, and people ignoring all of it for ship fodder like thats not a good chunk of the story 😭 the scene where q went "sit down wilbur." and wilbur listening being treated as some fucking weird sexual thing, like it's not quackity coldly shutting down wilbur after he spent 10 minutes calling him stupid and ugly and worthless and then making fun of his scar, q making it a POINT to shut it down and that he's Done w this conversation and then calling wilbur pathetic for it, and wilbur explicitly scrambling over himself because he knew he crossed another line. but lmao yeah true love 👍i too love when my suitors purposely go out of their way to say the most vile shit to me imaginable and then get upset when i go cut that shit out.

even the later scene w tubbo is a great example, their physical fight, it being treated as some ohh it's it SEXY when q pushes wil into a wall like the man isn't genuinely fucking furious at tubbo being put in such danger again be SERIOUS and for WHY. so wilbur can kill his horse for no fucking reason because he "messed w him" BY DOING WHATTTT 😭😭😭 imagine his plan went through and he kills ossium and q is left standing there behind the glass oh real romantic id swoon. girl i would KILL HIM ‼️

and also uhh the fact a lot of tntduors are like plain racist to q can i say that. 👍 can i say that. sorry for being upset abt it.

i have more points too, the way karlnapity or pumpkinduo will be treated in regards to it n again those two have heavy flaws 😬!! im aware!!! i am aware and acknowledge, but to flanderize and criticize both those relationships, to the point of Making Shit Up to make tntduo look better in comparison and then replicating those v critiques within that space because you think it's hot. well be serious is the thing :heart_hands:

anyways, despite my critiques i do find it enjoyable on occasion, i do think it can be so interesting and snappy and (sorry) kismises like in the sense of a rivalry w GENUINE respect and acknowledgement, that push to be better that rush to improve and also gay sex and then maybe...gay love? 😳 but for that to be possible the respect has to become more undeniable it HAS to be both ways and consistent and i feel like more often that not it just isn't the case. and the fandom stuff i have mentioned. pissed me the fuck off forever.

7.5/10 ssorry sorry sso srry don't look at me

EDI: 0/10 FUCK CTNT WHAT WAS I ON

[liedownquisition]

A Paltry "Defense" of RHATO (From someone who actually kind of hates RHATO) Part 1

Initial disclaimer: I'm not kidding when I say I don't like it. Frankly, the issues are a fucking incoherent mess, everyone is out of character most of the time to a downright disrespectful degree, the art is.... ugh, yeah, most of the storyline is racist as all hell, and it legitimately is a significant reason why I quit comics for like, 10 years and pcrtiallystcrs can vouch for me on that bcs they were there, we despaired together about it all and especially for all the lost potential of a team up I was genuinely excited for. That said, this particular post is a lot less negative towards it than I expected it to be, but I make no such promises for any/all the future ones. That said I haven't read RHATO:Rebirth yet & I forced myself through the 52-verse version like an idiot of a man walks into a minefield. I am currently doing a sort-of mostly-targeted reread for the sake of these posts. This got way longer than I anticipated it would because I like to Works-Cited my shit rather extensively, so we are very much getting a whole series lmao.

Part 2: People/relationships are weird and your strict boxes are unrealistic, and Roy Harper.

That said some of you people have taken your haterism so far you're just, fucking atrocious to your fellow fans and either you haven't read it yourself (which, honestly? fair) or you're willfully misremembering things just to attack people who did find something they liked about it. Like, I hate to be all "read a fucking comic" but in this instance I'm going to say: If you're trying to present yourself as if you actually know something about a specific comic/run, then for the love of all that is good and kind in the world, fucking read the damn thing yourself.

Also, in doing my research for this and trying to come up with my own complaints that I can recall outside of what ppl have sent, I've come to a revelation: Most of you (and fans back in the day) either Don't know 52 is a reboot, don't actually understand what a reboot is, don't understand the scope of n52's reboot (which, again, fair, I don't think half the writers even knew), or are in too much denial to accept the actuality of one. Some of the biggest complaints I come across are fundamentally just people complaining that Post-Crisis wasn't their canon bible anymore. And like, I get it, and it was very much a "soft reboot" meaning a lot of key storylines were kept and others weren't, some characters got total overhauls and some didn't, which gets confusing. But, to me, it looks like if you complained that the Tom Holland Spiderman Movies don't acknowledge things that happened in the Tobey Maguire movies as part of their continuity. Less drastic of a reboot it may have been... it was still something hanging over the whole Branding. You can call it a bad reboot, that's fine. That's probably even true and I won't argue it. But there are some things that like... It makes me think about how quickly DCU adaptations jump to the Death of Superman, or how quickly the MCU jumped into Civil War despite not having built up enough of an on-screen basis for the Avengers being friends before splitting them up. Or why TV shows have so much of shorter seasons and people complain about "filler" episodes. I understand the impatience of wanting to get to your favorite parts, but sometimes you have to give a story some grace until it gets there. Now, that's more of a general statement overall, I'm not saying N52 "gets good" at any point, nor am I saying everything there is bad, but there's a reason most ppl dislike it and it's semi-re-retconned in Rebirth. At the same time, though, this is comics. There's always a bad run you don't like, authors who completely fuck up the characters and wreck them for decades to come (coughmorrisoncough), and so forth. What makes N52 so prominent with it is that it was like... a shitton of these all at once. Could n52 have ever given us satisfaction?

Are you kidding? This is comics, no one is ever happy.

Without further ado,

FBAT (Frequently Bitched About Topics):

In light of my prior statement, let's start with the most relevant, and most common, complaint to which my initial lecture applies to: "Lian doesn't exist."

Roy Harper debuted as Speedy in 1941. Lian was written into existence in 1986, and killed in 2010, Red Hood and the Outlaws started in 2011. That's 45 years of established history before Lian, 24 with her, a year (at best) after her death.

I am not about to tell you that she's not important to Roy, Her existence spans a little over a third of his, but, do you guys complain when they write a Teen Titans flashback comic and she doesn't exist? Because, well:

I went back and hunted this one back down and I was wrong, it was on comicvine, Right Here.

So, yeah. Officially speaking she doesn't/didn't exist... Yet.

It's a reboot with wonky timeline shenanigans (I mean, weren't Dick and Bruce barely 10 years apart IF THAT in 52???). The RHATO/N52 timeline as it stood simply pre-dated Roy and Cheshire's relationship*, thus inevitably also Lian. I understand that it doesn't feel like it makes sense, but if you can suspend your disbelief enough to accept the idea that there are guys out there connected to the literal embodiment of speed itself and this allows them to alter reality at will-or even on accident-to comic book nonsense, then I think we can all agree that that action also causing the exact order of certain events to get shuffled isn't so far-fetched. *I'll talk more about Cheshire in a bit because there's a LOT to unpack there and I will need to get into her history both pre- and post- Flashpoint to fully relay my points.

IDK, I love Lian but I've always considered this to be the weakest argument, bcs it feels like it fundamentally misunderstands the concept of reboots and adaptations.

Also, if somebody has exact references for Roy's age when he gets Lian do let me know I was having a hard time finding something concrete, but, I'm always hesitant around the description of Roy as a "teen dad," because I feel like the connotations of that term imply he was a few years younger than he was. Like, if we assume the Fab 5 are all around the same age, Dick was 18/19 when he left Gotham (I'm pretty sure in canon Dick's exact words were "you couldn't handle a 19 year old partner" but we'll leave some grace room)/Jason was adopted at 12 (1983). And I'm not sure how it translated into comics-time, but IRL time Jason died in 1988, two years after Lian was first revealed (as above, 1986), at 15. So I mean at the YOUNGEST Roy would have been about 19, but may have been more early 20's as the "Teen" Titans were vaguely in the vicinity of dropping that title, but some of their younger members did still qualify for it despite others being no longer actual Teens. And Roy was, y'know, a Gov't agent at the time.

So like, yeah, he's a young, single dad. It's still a really uncertain age for parenthood and still a really interesting thing to explore especially with the vigilantism and his government jobs. He also though is very much not alone, Jade brings up in the Birds of Prey run how much she hates that Dinah gets to be there and support her daughter and the fact that Roy regards her so highly and gets advice from her while she... doesn't.

But that's a whole different topic.

Speaking of... "Cheshire's depiction is really racist and it feels like it diminishes her character."

Yeah. I'm not going to try and "justify" any of that, but... she's always been layered in racist depictions.

How do I put this lightly... Pre-Flashpoint Jade Nguyen was a "French"-Vietnamese woman whose alleged biological father was actually American senator who was separated from her family at the age of ten who wandered around the Far East for "many years" until she was abducted & sold into slavery in the Middle East as a child where she eventually killed her master, then was taken in by a Chinese freedom fighter, then married an African assassin who used poisons when she was sixteen and killed him two years later after learning everything he knew from him, and then went on to eventually nuke a Middle-Eastern country because she thought Western governments would "privately applaud" her for it while blackmailing them for money. ... I don't even know where to begin with how tangled this bullshit is, so I'm just not gonna. On a lighter note: she has a half-brother who works for Checkmate and at one point Roy went and saved the guy partly just to invite him to Lian's birthday party. It was SUCH a cute comic bcs it was narrated as if Roy was telling the story to Lian. It was in like, DC Showcase '95 #8.

Sources: Who's Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe #4

Birds of Prey #65

Deathstroke the Terminator #19-20

I know we like to focus things on her relationship with Roy & Lian, but, yeah she very much was a Dragon Lady stereotype who does a lot of fundamentally bad or questionable things and is labelled as a terrorist and frequently referred to as "insane" or "psychotic" or "sociopathic," often attributed to her time/trauma as a child slave. Wally called her "that Chinese girl" when she showed up in NTT despite her... not being Chinese, though when Roy did find her afterwards she WAS in Hong Kong (and in a LITERAL DRAGON-PATTERNED QIPAO).

NTT #21 (also wild how much lighter her skintone gets when she's supposed to be sympathetic. Her skin was even darker EARLIER IN THIS SAME ISSUE. You could say it's a lighting thing but...):

Now, RHATO's Cheshire was a different flavor of... whatever she is, and to be honest I think at least some of the racist portions were, hrm, more circumstantial? Incidental? Not a justification, but let me explain what I mean:

RHATO Annual #1

Which BTW was Not Lobdell. No, this little, whatever, is the fault of James Tynion IV, as is all of her subsequent appearances in this series.

So right off the bat I'm reminded of like, female Bond villains and similarly related femme fatales, which is I think what he was going for. Especially when you juxtapose this with the Orientalism in the rest of the comic, this stands out to me and not as strictly racially-coded to me? Ironically (or not?), this actually feels like... applying a racist (and sexist) caricature from/for the wrong like, race. She looks a lot more... Faux-African Tribal Cariacature?

And the way she talks???

Like I'm not saying she should sound... idk, that like racist asian way of speaking a lot of things do but I keep reading her lines in a SoCal accent and I don't know what to do with that. She sounds SO American high school mean girl. She could be one of the Heathers. Who is this woman????

Of course, the fact that she is* Vietnamese and that the Dragon Lady stereotype exists does just kind of, make this into that vaguely by nature? This also sets it up for her and Roy to have a relationship in the far future, a bit, by clumsily establishing attraction. Meanwhile Roy in the first images is uncomfortable bcs a) he has a girlfriend b) Cheshire is a threat to his friends and he's already super off balance c) his beloved friend group is falling apart even without this interference and he's afraid of being alone d) also... "Green Arrow" was there, with a naked face, which I know I personally found very deeply disturbing. * probably still canon here?

Horrifying though this may be for me to say... she might be one of the... less racist parts of this series? Between the All-Caste and what they do to the League of Assassins? But also Specifically Ra's Al Ghul and Shiva and I think they made Bronze Tiger into a literal tiger?

Which, actually, related: You know at first I really hated putting her origin in the LOA, bcs I really like the fact/idea that she's, y'know, her own entity with absolutely no ties to them, really aiding the "not every assassin is always the League" that I feel happens sometimes? But, like? Hrm. Rereading that paragraph about her prior origins? ... Maybe there are worse things.

Her characterization does get a bit more sympathetic at least, as you can kind of see her weird murder-flirting somewhat shift into possibly actually starting to like Roy:

So, I'm going to be honest with you: It does feel like a downgrade. She seems almost... childish? Going back to how she talks like a far more murder-y teenaged mean girl. She's not what I WANT Cheshire to be but, in the grand scheme of horrific personality retcons (coughmorrisoncough) this is honestly pretty mild and somehow less racist than I anticipated, especially as it does make more of a point to sympathize with her. I mean, not great and that's definitely a whole other kind of probably specifically racist stereotype for villain ladies (feels a little "simple savages" I think) but it's not Morrison-tier. It is, however, a godawful way to be introduced to her and I sincerely would hate for this to be your first experience because like, I think she's only tolerable because I've seen how much worse it could be.

Anyways after this we don't hear from Cheshire until it's revealed in Nightwing v4 #43 by Michael Moreci that she did get around to seeing Roy again and having a relationship that fell apart, which presumably(?) leads to Lian. Or would have had Rebirth not re-confused the timeline (albeit probably for the better?)

Which, mind you, ugh, this really just goes that Roy being treated like a fucking Joke goes weeeeell beyond RHATO and proximity to Jason, unlike some people like to say, but this is long enough that that absolutely will have to be a separate post. Probably all by itself lmao.

Anyways, she had a couple other appearances in n52 but I don't consider them relevant to this post since we're focusing my run topics to just the two... Ignore my extensive discussion & pulling from other pre-52 runs THEY'RE FOR COMPARISON.

If you want more RHATO analysis particularly based on common complaints that you would like to see either challenged or supported with extensive degrees of evidence so you can feel that sense of superiority that comic fans are all a little obsessed over without having to actually read the damn thing yourself, you can send me the specific topics in the replies Here or to my inbox.

[fungalwarp]

this is a mix of an old post that never made it here and some new stuff bc atp this is just kinda funny to me, then imma drop it bc it's also just so boringggg

but im gonna put this here bc ik this loser is still stalking my acct and whatnot, so my final piece or w/e

-"Dont even think abt my sister/talking shit abt my family😡😡" couldnt care less abt ur fuckass sister or family. i cared when they were sticking their noses in shit by sending messages or checking our accounts because?? get a life??? i dont choose to think abt any of u, ever, and would celebrate the day i completely forget abt u

-"YoU wEnT tO mY mOmMy" yeah because we were fed up. because there is a message where you admit you sent at least one thing, along with a vile message from a burner account that mentioned the exact same shit u did in dms, and a whole tumblr with my bf's full name that only families and you knew him by. at least three seperate instances that can be directly tied to you and only you. whether that was you or someone in your system doesnt change that it isnt okay in any degree. it being from a disorder doesnt create a free pass and if you cant keep it in check yourself, someone else needs to be involved. also the screenshot i sent your mother of your dm didnt meantion 'headmates' anywhere, as far as i was ever informed everyone mentioned there was a real person. nothing on there explicity point to DID, i didnt out that

-"he's 27 he should be able to deal with some anon hate" this isnt anon hate. this is repeated harrassment. this is someone implying my mental health is someone's responsibility, and then getting mad when I buy cats that I begged him to let us get and when he's gifted a pc. and i only bring those up bc those are two things you mentioned directly to me along with those being in a vile message from a burner that also implies his father's passing was his fault in any way. that is deranged and subhuman to do and i stand by it. because absolutely nothing justifies a reaction like that. along with an entire tumblr containing his first name and legal last name. something only a small amount of ppl know both of. that account was a recent one too, we have pictures that are time stamped!! so once again, yes, i did send those to ur mother! she should know what vile shit is being sent and that you need serious help

-"Id never go to ur mom!!!" i dont care. if it reached a point of genuine concern when it comes to mental stability, i would hope someone would. ive had people contact my mother over things ive done and i hold 0 resentment bc it helped me in the long run

-"you told someone to kill themselves online😡😡" yeah... i do it a lot... youve heard me do it.... if someone is gonna come into my space and get triggered abt a joke i make w my consenting partner, i will tell them to end it. bc they rlly should. i genuinely believe if ur life is that sad it probably would be better off just ended. what abt it. i dont say it to random ppl for no reason. i say it to people who think i care abt their opinions when it comes to a harmless aspect of my life. oh no, sue me

-"I probably have bpd and i dont run around saying i for sure do" do u have a formal diagnosis for DID? if not then that shouldnt have any standing either. but if we suddenly dont care abt that, yeah i talked to two professionals, both of which agreed i was very likely borderline and one of which is qualified to diagnose but-like my autism-said while i do match criteria it isnt going on my record bc of the walls it can put up in life and they gave me resources before i moved to help w my disorder. and as someone who claims to probably have it, u dont seem to understand how easily it alters ur mood and view on ppl 🤨

-this is a repeated thing and a couple things at once but ur obsession with 'real' names for both humans and animals is just weird and you should probably talk to someone about that. god forbid we have fun with the name we give two cats and ourselves bc we dont live with a stick in our ass? and then ur need to go after his art is wild as if 1) art isnt subjective 2) u have any room to talk abt art skills

[theuniverseawakens347]

The word nigga… comes from niger Africa…( there previous history there I’ll download later) ya racist Americans come to Africa Nelson times make him and ghandi stand differently like Martin and Malcom but say they’re for the same thing …

It’s like parenting .. one has a soft approach the other aggressive “ good cop vs bad cop” SORRY POPOS.. ( poo poo… ya pigs… well take back UR REPUTATION.. ya let it get this far why!? Ya no kno what to do, OKAY I HELP) …

It’s abbreviated ya feel negative and weird hearing it cause YOU HAVE NEGATIVE HISTORY W YA NOT YET HEALED FROM. THERAPY. TRAUMA YA SHUDNT BE HOLDING A GUN… Nelson. ( desk okay good boy … and cauliflower ears … mhmm ya partner* both got things to work on… “issues”)

I digress…

Two different approach fake meet in the middle to seem “unified” … like children THE CITIZENS N PUBLIC PICK UP ON THAT …

YOU ARE A CHILD BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE … and ya go back to roots when ya need protection healing and understanding … requiring rewiring learning.

Sooo niger.. n EYE ger… NEVER HAD A TERM UNTIL RACIST AMERICANS BRAINWASHED CULTURE INTO AMERICA MOSTLY LOUSISANA TEXAS SOUTH STATES THRU “Mexican anex Florida” touching Africa .. FOR SEGREGATION APARTIDE ON TWO LANDS …

So America blacks and Africans mixed TOOK BACK POWER W NIGGA…

A term of endearment.. I see you brother … “this word brought me trauma how can I heel it” … BUT JUST LIKE A RACIST BELITTING SHIT HEAD,

Ya took niggahs and started FIREHOSING ANY BLACK OR DARK SKIN KIN USING THE WORDS TO HARM US …

Again, YA A TERRORIST SLAVE OWNER “oh you’re happy and free I’m still miserable… let me DESTROY ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU FEEL HAPPY WHICH I THE LACK OF GOOD MORAL THINKING ONE SEES AS YOU BEING POWERFUL AND TRUMPING ME”…

Ya scared hurt lost parent inner child REAPS HAVOC AND NEEDS PARENTING .. ya need healing ..

Ya need dislocate and sit with issues face to face .. bhad bhabbie doctor Phil… but ya want fuck on something or be a complete little shit to ppl who are actually trying to help …

Ya need PSYCHWARD ya got a mental disconnection w neutrons and training for more BAD ONES TO GROW …

And psych wards need to change ya treat ppl like savages and expect them to “get better” but ya don’t really care about that… MOST DOCTORS SHUDNT EVEN BEEN IN THE WARD YA THINK “I’m baby sitting a restarted person no need to do anything but the bare minimum “ .. AGAIN HELLEN KELLER GOLDEN RULE…

Switch shoes. How ya want someone to treat you if you KNEW YOURE NOT CRAZY YA JUST GOT TEMPER YA DONT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL AND LASH OUT MAKES YOU LOOK PSYCHOPATH …

Ya “doctors” and nurses need new case studies on the mental what seems a person mentally ill and WHAT LEVEL ARE THEY…

Charles Manson dahmer to … Harley Quinn, joker , me.

It’s levels in everything, but ya start at child hood assessment to teen years ya get enough knowledge about a person from then on …

But ya issues is … “oh I saw myself in here and COMPLETELY FORGOT IM NOT DIAGNOSING MYSELF ITA MY PATIENT IM HELPING” … which then means ya gon turn ur client into an experiment “I’m too professional to leave my job or scared to ask you questions so I’ll be fickle and get what I want my way w my degree” … instead of saying ya no what..

Like surgeon in ER AND POLICE AND JUDGE .. WHEN LEGAL “ ur family I can’t work so close to ur case”

ITS REASONS FOR THAT HIPPA VIOLATION YA LET YA EMOTIONS GOVERN WHEN YA NOT IN A STEADY PLACE TO DISCIPLINE THEM… Lee

“Fuck if I see myself in these behaviors are the outsiders going to think it’s me I’m talking about when I talk shit about cashay and work soooo damn hard to do dirt in her name… how do I AT ANY MEANS PUSH IT OFF OF ME AND ONTO ANYONE??” …

YOU NEED MENTAL HELP … bc WHY YA COMMITING CRIMES YA NO READY TO DO TIME FOR .. no logic in ur thinking .. ur missing hierarchy of needs… so you murder bc it bring chemical relaxation* and those elements BUT NOT IN A GOOD WAY MISS I KNOW BAD FROM GOOD BUT BAD GETS EASY FIX … ur an addict even if its not drugs … ur creating ur own drug chemicals and imbalacing it as fuck … COW BRAIN WO RAW MEAT …

——

Nothing wrong w excitement FUCK YEAH I THINK LIKE GOD GHANDI BRÜNA .. but are you gloating “such and such would have done … said blah… make me better cause I’m in alignment”

NOT BETTER JUST ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO HELP HEALING GROW UP AND FORWARD AND NOT BACKWARDS … check ya self.

I do my little one two head bob cause I ATE .. meaning I know someone gon like it but ion toot my horn n rub it in ya face … even friendly competition drake ft Chris brown dance …

Okay less twin boys… ya poompoom dance n grey shorts ya sexy Alize by men … no your fault make uncomfortable to dance or be in “less clothes” … especially being telepathic “picking up others thoughts … is this me or someone else”

Ya need vacation alone time sit w you… monks journey ya learn who’s who and what’s what ya twins ya close but share a weird … “grudge” inside might be wrong word but tension ya gotta be alike all the time … Lee industry thinking and Beyoncé “it’ll make you cool but get a little freedom be more you” … but he’s ur filter… filmer.. but phone on ground and dance boys .. girl… spend time alone more often … ya telecommunicate even from far UR ONE PERSON SPLIT … that’s a different topic

[godtier]

to add onto this a lil more: no one even knows how to actively engage in fandom anymore because everything is consumed passively. I've mentioned this on other posts in the past, but the way fandom spaces are curated on social media means that you get fed a stream of content that's p much tailored to your desires.

tumblr is one of the last "major" bastions of self-curated content where an algorithm is secondary to what you curate yourself. but even then, it's far too easy to put yourself in an echo chamber wrt canon interpretation or discussion. I've seen it first hand obvs when ppl just... cannot accept something that goes outside of their headcanon bc that's all they've engaged with willingly. they've built up a wall of "safe" (for them) content where any perceived dissent is quickly culled from the feed.

contrast this with forums or even lj and lj clones... like... you had dedicated forums or communities for granular fandom interests, sure, but in general, you p much had to engage with ppl providing their wild ass interpretations alongside ppl who disagreed with it. you could curate to a degree on lj/lj clones, but the big major fandom communities were static. you just had to see ppl's weird takes, bad takes, and interesting takes, one right after the other. you couldn't hide the post or tell the site you don't want to see content like that. you either saw it, engaged with it, or left the community if the posts didn't vibe with you lmao.

I think that contributes a huge portion as to why fandom ppl these days feel so very strongly about [thing] (leon/ada in this case) but cannot articulate why. they just know they like it a lot, it brings them comfort or whatever, and counter-arguments against it (even if they're not even involved themselves in such arguments!) are seen as Bad and Horrible. it's because in their regular fandom experience, discussion isn't varied. they then impulsively attack people when they see criticism of [thing] cross their feed, whether in a tag search, (if something is tagged at all) or in a reblog, because "how dare someone dislike or critique something I love!!!"

it's basically just a lack of actual interaction online. there's less of an emphasis on direct communication; I surmise that's why so many asks are anon. ppl don't know how to have a discussion with their names attached so they throw an anon ask and then awkwardly continue to send anon asks to keep up a conversation... but don't realize how weird that is if you think about how forum discussion typically played out.

I won't drone on any further lmao but I just felt like adding that bit of theory to my original comment for more context and such.

the last thing I'll say is that I saw that tumblr is considering releasing a function that would basically act like communities on lj/lj clones. if that is successful, I am very very curious how that will affect fandom discussions on tumblr going forward. it could be verrrrry interesting tbh...

the sheer level of obsession that goes on regarding the status of aeon in the remake timeline is kind of deranged sometimes ngl like... some of the asks i get about the ship make it sound like de-canonizing aeon is going to destabilize the laws of the universe, so it can't possibly ever happen. like, people sound legitimately afraid. there's actual fear behind some of those asks. it really kind of bothers me sometimes.

and it's just like... it's not like aeon was ever this big, sweeping romance to begin with. people act like they're squall and rinoa and the entire plot turns around their love for each other. they're not, and it doesn't. they're just two people who run into each other sometimes and may or may not have banged once.

that's it. that's all they are. it's not that deep. it's not complicated. removing the romance isn't going to hurt RE or either character. it's also not going to pass a law that states that no one's allowed to ship them anymore. it's not. i promise. there's no reason to be so afraid. just let the writers do their thing.

and to be clear i don't mean the anon that this original response is ... responding... to. but just like in general, it's something i noticed.

[golbrocklovely]

I’ve seen people use SnC’s names in the comments/tweets of the posts he’s done about all the hate. As far as I’ve seen, there still there so 🤷🏻‍♀️. I’m not trying to say he’s innocent I’m just saying he has used SnC clips for old TFIL videos with them in it. So, if he hates them/mocks them, using their clips is pretty stupid. Like there are so many other TFIL clips he could have used.

About taking pranks too far, to be fair, most of the other guys in the trap house took pranks too far. Corey did a “killing my gf” prank. SnC did a “killing best friend” prank. Colby did a couple of “cheating” pranks. Sam and Colby dyed Circa pink. I think once it became personal (for any of them) pranks went too far.

And realistically, Elton wasn’t even in the prank war until circa was dyed pink. He didn’t make it personal first, they did.

i wasn't talking about his posts on twitter. i was talking about his videos on yt. if you comment snc's names, the comment gets blocked. idk if it gets held for review or if it's permaband, but i know for a fact that he's done it on more than one video.

also, let's be honest here: as much as he doesn't like snc, he benefits from them still to some degree. the entire fandom doesn't hate him. there are still ppl that enjoy his older content that had snc in it. there's a reason why his top ten videos on youtube are all the ones with snc in the thumbnail. plus he doesn't edit his videos anymore, someone else does, so they probably just pick out random clips from popular videos. there's also a lot of fans that want to see them collab again bc they aren't chronically online or on tiktok so they don't know everything that has transpired between them.

and the pranks being taken too far to me is irrelevant. it's just another reason ppl hate elton. snc signed off on the pranks otherwise they wouldn't have been posted. and elton was 100% in the prank war and a part of it. he literally ended up winning it. the whole point of the prank war was so that fans could vote on who is the best prankster and that person would get a trip to hawaii. they were all a part of it, up until elton moved out.

(if i'm remembering incorrectly, please feel free to let me know but i'm pretty sure i'm remembering the prank wars right.)

again, none of this negates the hate he is getting now. i was never a fan of him, i've had issues with him since the get go. but sending death threats over petty shit, or even worse made up lies, is way too far. he's a dick, but no one deserves this much vitrol thrown at them.

[aroaceacacia]

I really think this fandom scares too easy when it comes to the possibility of ccs joining Tumblr. I know why people are worried, especially with past events, and I understand that not everyone wants them here, and frankly I don't really care either way. But it really seems that we assume the worst if a cc joins.

sure, its rarely as bad as we imagine it to be.

however. empiresblr had to talk to scott/the empires ccs directly and ask them to give us a bit of space, bc theyd talk abt empiresblr on stream, and also scott joined a fan discord and didnt say anything for several hours. that was a degree of perception that the tumblr mcyt fandom was not expecting and was shocked and scared to go through, because we're not used to it! and now the empires ccs who are here are chill, because scott asked vyeoh why people were upset and vio explained why, and they established a boundary from which we can mutually respect one another.

bdubs on the other hand is a bit harder to reach (doesnt have any specific fandom members on speed dial), AND was just openly talking about his recent interactions with stan twitter in a stream. a members only stream, sure, but a stream nonetheless! and he talked abt how he's been lurking to see what people are up to. it's absolutely not a leap of logic to assume that bdubs could talk about the tumblr community publicly, esp in an embarrassing or negative way. what's more is that, because so much of the current hermitblr/trafficblr etiquette revolves around tag filtering, it's entirely possible bdubs would join tumblr and not figure out how to avoid certain things!

I'm of the opinion that if a CC wants to join tumblr of their own volition, they're welcome to! but directly inviting them into tumblr feels like a step too far. (the exception, imo, being situations where a CC wants to leave twitter or be less active there, like Eret; in that case they're a twitter refugee and its 100% fair game to say "hey tumblr is over here and we're more normal".)

idk something about this ask is just really rubbing me the wrong way. why do you Care. if people get scared at the idea of a cc joining tumblr and it all works out in the end and ppl stop being afraid what does it matter. over time if more ccs join we'll probably get less and less afraid so again. Why Do You Care. if bdubs joins tumblr half the fandom will scatter and the other half will bombard him with maid dresses and he'll either think we're weird and leave or he'll pass the vibe check and stick around, so why are you complaining about How People Feel in my inbox