#( x. threads: yvonne )

[drrutherford]

LOCATION — Old Marylebone Town Hall DATE — September 28, 2024. STARTER — closed for @felixrodriguez

Well, he'd been saving the prized bottle of Dom Perignon for a special occasion, so he supposes there's some kind of karmic twist in the universe that's made this affair the event in question, and Félix Rodriguez, the first to sample it. He works the screw until the cork comes loose with a loud 'pop!' and shoots a wry smile to the newly minted husband, who turns with a start.

"What did I tell ya, Rodriguez?... 'Only the ones who stand a chance.' Congratulations."

Gideon hands the man one of the two empty glasses that had been tucked in the crook of his arm, and proceeds to pour the champagne. "... Y enhorabuena." He adds, testing out one of the few phrases he'd tried to learn for the occasion.

[damonrutherford]

Tagged: @yvonne-rutherford

Location: Yvonne's home

Was it an abuse of his status as older brother to drop in on her so suddenly? Sure.

Was it also an abuse of her status as baby sister to give major news whilst he was abroad to avoid a heavy conversation? Damon certainly thought so.

Avoidance couldn't be relied upon forever and since returning to London without so much as a call ––surprises were notoriously difficult to pull off in this family–– he figured it was best to make rounds before they all found out via tabloid. Gideon first of course, then Yvonne, and Lara for last... Not because he wished to see her least, but rather there were tendrils of mutual loss between them that he'd rather not begin his day with.

As soon as the housekeeper opened the door, Damon practically oozed charm just to skirt around her and find the youngest of the bunch. "Oh good, you haven't given birth yet. I was afraid I might hear about that over text message, too." His voice rang out cheerfully as he entered the room, the best he could do in terms of arrival announcements. Hi, I'm back felt a little on the nose anyway. "It's nice to see you, Yvie."

[giordirossi]

Every single day.

And yet she brought them into the world regardless. Which either made Yvonne the most irresponsible sort of person... or the bravest. To allow herself the chance to live an actual life in spite of it all.

Giordana never once fathomed children as an option, not after effectively signing herself over to the Sovrani in adolescence. Drawbacks of being married to the job for half her life and lacking most social graces that would position the Italian as a viable candidate. Now after seeing Frankie with Michael, hearing Yvonne's perspective, and finding her own person who cleared paths she'd previously written off, it started to make a gal wonder.

"That's all you can do I suppose," the highest of priorities really, "but it sounds like you're a good mother for even trying." At least from what she'd ascertained in the last thirty minutes. "Let me know if anyone bothers you this weekend, all right?"

"Every single day." Especially with who Maddie's father was. The kindest thing for her daughter would have been to raise her far away from London, Port, Launceston, or any of the hubs of mob activity. To keep her identity away from Théo. To give her a chance of growing up far away from the world she'd been born into, just as Yvonne had. Even her pregnancy with Isabel had the specter of threats hanging over it for almost the entirety. Her girls weren't growing up in the proximity to the underworld Yvonne had, but they would never be completely free of its taint.

"I don't have an answer when it comes to this part. I'm just trying to keep their childhoods as innocent as possible."

[lewkwoodnco]

Heyy:) I just wanted to request a George x fem!reader one shot :P I totally understand if you don't want to write it or if you don't like the idea or anything but I was thinking a fic inspired by "wildest dreams" by Taylor? Just some silly teen romance vibes you know🤭 (and please no Angst or anything, I can't take that shit atm😔)

Wildest Dreams - George Karim x Reader

A/N: going to be taking a break from the requests in my inbox to work on my 12 days of fics series! (but will get back to them after im done heheh) I might have completely butchered this ask im so sorry BUT I made it as fluffy as I think it gets (w George at least), just had to do the 77 thing i have no self-restraint, also this poem is soso beautiful one of my absolute favesss but idk whats up with the formatting :(((, wc 3.3k!

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Subtle Bridges

Walking with me, you'd once pointed to the fragility and ingenuity of a spider's web. Subtle bridges, you said, On bridges some men hang. A warning that has stayed While I read history traced in blood and tears of men. I was caught in the end with a nest of books. They burned anyway, and now I bend to build an emperor's endless wall. Like a thread of longing the border runs in loops and bends, and along it we root the gravestones of nameless men. A king's metaphor, This is, history raised from ash and bone -- a symbol Of its vast futility, or of eternity. Which it is I do not know, But since leaving home some things have come clear. No one literally breaks from loss, not even here. And some ties won't give. I sometimes dream of you, and walking, in gardens where love and knowledge hang.

By Yvonne Koh

She was at the Kensel Green Cemetery with the rest of her team from Fittes, after being called down by DEPRAC because of a robbery. They had spread out over the building, looking for any sign of the missing relic or the culprit, when she heard a slow, grinding noise from inside the hall. She quietly crept in to the silhouette of a shadowy figure bent over the casket.

"Can I help you?"

The boy's head snapped up immediately, painfully slamming against the stone shelf behind him. She let out an involuntary gasp, briefly wincing at the hollow thunk.

"Didn't do it," he groaned, steadying himself against the wall. "...whatever it was that...someone did."

She squinted at him using the little light spilling in from the corridor. He couldn't have been more than a year or two older than her. Against her better judgement, she kept her voice down.

"This is a crime scene!" she hissed at him.

"I - what?"

"Who are you?"

"I'm not a thief, or a relic man. I promise."

Her eyes swept his scruffy appearance critically. "Why would I think that?"

"Ms L/N?"

She turned, momentarily speechless, barely registering the rustle of the boy stealing away into the darkness. She blinked against the brightness of Inspector Barnes' torch, glancing back to check that he really was gone.

"Everything alright?"

She paused for a moment longer, as if willing him to rematerialise in the corner he had been crouching in just a moment ago. Nothing. Her eyes narrowed. Interesting. Very interesting indeed.

"Must have been the wind."

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George was staring out the kitchen window glumly, lazily stirring his mug of tea. The weather was as pleasant as it got, and Lockwood had roused them all at the crack of dawn for a breakfast picnic, to 'boost morale.' Of course, George should have known better than to hold his breath, especially when loud angry voices had started to shake him awake when he had been halfway through groggily packing their picnic basket. Now, he sipped his cold tea through thin lips, listening to the slow, steady footsteps approaching the kitchen and the wan face belonging to them.

"Let me guess. You and Lucy are no longer in the mood for a picnic?"

Lockwood sombrely shook his head. George sighed, picking up the picnic basket. Seemed like a shame to let his slaving away go to waste. And he was still very much in the mood for the strawberries and cream he had packed inside. Which is why George had been heading out for a solo breakfast picnic with enough food for three when he heard a foreign voice stop him.

"George Casper Karim."

He looked up from the doorknob in alarm. It was the girl from Kensel Green Cemetery. He hesitated, trying to gauge her expression.

"Ex-employee of Fittes Agency, fired after six months for insubordination, currently a researcher at Lockwood & Co."

"Brilliant. Astonishing, really, how you've repeated my own job history back to me."

She frowned. He relished the stab of satisfaction. He'd had a shitty morning and was likely going to have a shitty day, so really, having a go at someone was probably going to be the highlight.

"There's no need to be rude."

"I think I'd know where I've been the past couple of years, thanks very much. Forgive me for not being more impressed."

Still looking a little disgruntled, she pressed on, firmly clutching the waist-high gate. "I've got a bone to pick with you, if you don't mind."

He eyed her warily, and decided against approaching her any further. "You can pick it just fine from over there."

She looked mildly peeved, but he didn't trust her as far as he could throw her. After a few long, tense seconds, she relented, not that she was happy about it..

"So...you were right. You're no relic man."

That was quick. "Thank you. Have a nice day." He closed the distance between him and the gate in a few quick strides, pushing against it, but she pushed right back with a steely look in her eye.

"Don't know about the other bit, though."

He didn't like the look in her eye; the look of someone knowing something he didn't. His mouth went dry.

"I don't know what you're talking about."

"Might be more convincing if your associate hadn't mentioned a talking skull. Awfully difficult to contain a visitor without a ghost jar, wouldn't you say?"

He swore under his breath. "Fucking Lockwood can't keep his mouth shut."

"I don't expect DEPRAC takes kindly to thieves or hooligans-"

He let out a bark of laughter. "Hooligan? Me?"

"-or strange boys who break into places they shouldn't be-"

"You can't prove it was me."

"Wanna bet?"

A challenge. A dare. His mouth was already open to call her bluff when the self-satisfied smirk curling at the corner of her lip gave him pause. Lockwood wouldn't be much pleased if he gave DEPRAC another reason to steer the agency dangerously close towards closing. He wasn't like Lockwood or Lucy - he was careful, very careful. Too late George wished he had been a little more careful all those years ago in covering his tracks - but, to be fair, he had no reason to think anyone at Fittes would have been capable enough to put two and two together.

Until now.

"Look, why don't we...talk about this, like civilised people? I've got strawb - you like strawberries and cream, don't you?"

She sneered again. George was beginning to think that was just how her face looked.

"You want to bribe me with...strawberries...and cream?"

"It's not bribery. Just...a friendly chat. Agent to agent."

Which was how they ended up on a grassy hill at one of the meadows at the outskirts of London. He had never been there before, but Lockwood had remembered it as a prime spot for cosy family picnics.

"So what else do you know about me?"

She chewed a bite of scrambled eggs thoughtfully before responding.

"You're obsessed with the Problem. An obsession that made you an asset, initially."

She had heard that he was the one who had identified the visitor, Edmund Bickerstaff, but what she had had difficulty wrapping her head around was how he had managed to do it with only the vast yet imprecise volumes of the Archives at his disposal. Imagine what he could do with the carefully curated library at Fittes. She stared at him, trying to figure him out. There was a gentle breeze blowing and the slight movement made him look marginally more affable but not any more comprehensible. She let out the breath she was holding.

"You must have really screwed up for Fittes to have let you go."

He shrugged. "It was a long time coming. Fittes never really was the type of company I was interested in working at, and I was never the type of employee Fittes was interested in keeping."

"What about now? Have you ever considered leaving?"

"Why would I?"

"I've taken a glance at Lockwood & Co's financial records. You can't be making much, if anything at all."

"And go from being broke to being broke and homeless?"

"Homeless? What about your parents?"

"I visit them, occasionally, but they're a right piece of work. Last time I saw them was my grandmother's 77th birthday. I think there was a row but I can't be completely sure because I was a little, er, sloshed. The party ended, and I expect the champagne went flat, and my aunt was the last to leave. She was sitting on the floor with a merlot in her hand, and her voice was ringing through the halls. The curtains were burnt, my parents didn't talk to each other for a week, and one of my brothers had broken his hand. But I could never forget sitting in that empty dining hall, holding those sodden, scorched curtains, listening to her saying nothing lasts forever, nothing lasts forever."

The sunlight had a diffused quality to it, at least the little of it that managed to pour through the layer of clouds blocking the sky. The ashy light threw a powdery glow on George's face, and for a moment she felt as though she was in that dining hall with him, listening to those same laments. He glanced at her, and she felt a sudden, foreign uncertainty grip her heart.

"Now I feel really bad about lying."

His hand slipped, missing his mouth by a good couple of inches, nearly sending the contents of his glass down his shirt.

"Lie? What lie?"

"I kind of haven't, not really...actually spoken to any of your associates."

He chokes on his laughter, and when he throws his head back she wonders if she's ever seen anyone laugh as freely as him. It's a ridiculously enticing sight.

"Touché. Touché."

He looks at her in the eye, unabashed, with an unnaturally casual intensity. It almost feels impolite.

"So...yeah. Maybe I was suited to be a Fittes agent, once upon a time, but not anymore."

"That's a pity."

He looks at her weird, and she hastily changes the subject.

"Do you do this often?"

"What, taking strangers out for breakfast?"

"No. Bring a girl out here, feed her some strawberries and cream, maybe a Shakespearean sonnet or two..."

"I don't set much store in Shakespearean sonnets. I'm not...I'm not much of a poetry person."

There's something reserved in his face that makes her feel terrible for asking.

"I've really only read one worth remembering. Subtle bridges, you said, on bridges some men hang. Some ties won't give. I sometimes dream of you, and walking, in gardens where love and knowledge hang."

He bites into a strawberry, which stains his lips a bright red. She looks away a second too late.

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After reluctantly agreeing to keep the matter of the stolen ghost jar between the two of them, she never expected to see him again. And yet, as fate would have it, they crossed paths again roughly a week later. She and one of her teammates had been assigned to a Church to handle a relatively weak Type Two, when she heard a scuffling sound from one of the rooms whose door was ajar. Her teammate froze, and she didn't feel much braver either. They approached the room cautiously, rapiers at the ready.

"Hello? Anyone there?"

"Y/N?"

The glare from their flashlights blindly darted over the room before it settled on the floor, illuminating a bleeding George looking the worse for wear, hissing at the harsh florescent light.. She visibly relaxed.

"Oh. You again."

Lockwood and Lucy exchanged a look.

"Do you two know each other?"

A silence followed. George looked to be at a loss of words and she, too, couldn't quite find the right answer.

"We've...met."

They helped George up while Lockwood smoothly explained the situation, and how they would never dream of intentionally From the derisive eye rolls of his remaining, uninjured associate, there was clearly more to their presence than he was letting on, but she wasn't paid nearly enough to go through the trouble of finding that out. Apparently, they had already dealt with the Type Two, so she filled out her report as vague as she dared to be, while they wandered out to flag down a cab.

George lingered behind briefly, dabbing at his nose experimentally while she put the finishing touches to her file.

"We can't keep meeting like this, you know."

"Like what?"

She shook her head, surprisingly having to bite back a smile. "You're incorrigible. If you keep sneaking around for much longer I'll have to report you one of these days."

He pulled his face into an exaggerated sulk and ducked as she tried to smack him with her case report.

"Alright, alright!"

True to his word, their less-than-ideal meetings came to an end. Instead, they continued to occasionally meet at that serene, refreshingly Edenic sloping hill. She'd return from a client meeting or from scoping out a location and the front desk would have a message waiting for her, from one vaguely snippy anonymous man. Sometimes he'd be waiting at the hill with snacks, which she'd ravenously dig into, though he was less generous on the biscuit front. He tells her about the happenings of 35 Portland Row and his research and bounces his latest theory on the origins of the Problem off of her. She tells him about her week, and the bothersome, inept people she works with, and on their joint cases he's snarky towards all the right people. It makes her feel special.

On one such evening, they were lazing on a picnic blanket, and a pleasantly warm breeze was toying with their hair. George was looking at the severe, fragile branches encroaching on the powdery blue sky through heavily-lidded eyes. She was absent-mindedly fiddling with his surprisingly soft fingers, distractedly breathing in the faint, antiseptic smell of ammonia that clung to his clothes. She was thinking about how sharp he was and how quickly he picked up on details on their joint cases. No matter how many times she saw him pick apart a case with a carefully perfected elegance, she felt like a part of her would forever be in awe of his beautifully intricate mind.

"Sometimes I feel like your talents are so wasted here. Imagine what you could do with access to all of Fittes' resources."

"i don't need Fittes's resources to be a good researcher."

She watches the yellow daffodils tossing their heads back just inches in front of them through her eyelashes.

"i know you don't. It can't hurt, is all I'm saying."

"Why do you care?"

She paused. Why did she care? She cared about him, sure, but it was no different from how she cared about her teammates, her friends, but with George...it somehow felt more personal. She sighs irritably, releasing the bubble of frustration lodged in her throat all week. She just wanted what was best for him. It takes her a minute to come up with her hesitant response.

"I...don't know. I don't care. But sometimes I can't help but wonder...what if this was what you needed to uncover the root of the Problem?"

He half-laughs, but stops short at the sight of her face as she lifts her head off his chest. "You can't be serious."

"Why not?"

"Y/N...statistically speaking -"

"All I'm saying is the answer could very well be in the Fittes library and you might be the only one who'd know where to look."

She lies down again, and whispers to the trees rather than George.

"Just...something to think about."

As time went on, their relationship began to bleed into more public spheres. She dropped by Portland Row occasionally, and they even had tea at her apartment once. On this particular afternoon, they were in George's room at Portland Row. She was looking through the titles on his alarmingly tall bookcases while he was at his desk, copying some runes from a book while telling her about his latest experiment with the skull. Her eyes roved over the titles restlessly, unseeingly, in a futile attempt to distract herself from her upcoming assignment. She let George's voice wash over her, pleasingly varied in tone and comfortingly familiar, soothing the itch in her brain. After a moment or two, she realises he's stopped talking, and looks up to see him staring at her with a frown on his face.

"Er, sorry. Drifted off there for a while."

"I guessed."

He studies her with an inscrutable expression and she's been caught too off-guard to come up with anything other than the letter burning a hole in her desk.

"You alright?"

She sits on a chair next to his and rests her chin on her knee, feeling oddly wooden. After getting to know George, she had taken the comfort of being able to somewhat predict his mannerisms for granted, and the thought of heading into this blind made her nervous.

"My team's been assigned a case outside of London."

"Oh. When?"

"We leave this weekend."

He looks too stunned to ask the question weighing on both their minds.

"It's for a month."

"A month," he echoes distantly, as if not quite sure what to make of that piece of information. His face remains impassive and she waits for a reaction which never comes. "What about that celebratory dinner?"

"We leave after it."

"Oh."

For someone who usually always had so much to say about anything and everything, his current conversational skills were desperately wanting. Say something. Be affected, she begs internally. She needs to hear him say it. She needs the sickness in her chest to be real, to be founded.

"It'll be...different without you." The careful look on his face makes her feel like he's picking out her emotions from her face and engineering an optimal response. "I'll miss you."

It doesn't comfort her in the way she expected it would. Suddenly, she can't even bear to look at him.

"You don't have to."

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Either George had decided that she needed some space or he was just as pissed as she was, because she didn't see one sign of him over the next few days. Good. She hardly noticed. The thousand times a day he crossed her mind were only out of relief, and nothing else. But as much as she pretended otherwise, by the time the celebratory dinner rolled around, his absence had taken a toll on her. She couldn't tell if she was hoping or dreading seeing him again.

She was on a balcony on the upper floor, looking miserably into the radiant foliage of the gardens below, where unfamiliar faces flitted with a lightness of heart she envied. Their shadows are tall and intertwine ceaselessly, making her dizzy. Her bags were packed, her ticket was waiting on her mantle, and all loose ends were tied up. Even her one chance at happiness for the rest of her life.

There's a rustle behind her and she turns to see George standing a considerable distance away from her. He's only marginally closer than the first time they met, properly, when he was standing outside their front door and she was pacing behind the garden gate. She wants to cry in relief. Instead, she finds it in her not to look away. Maybe it's the confusing lighting, but there's a soft edge to his face.

"I thought I saw you come up here."

She doesn't say anything; she's too happy to. And yet, a part of her is still deeply unhappy with the sight in front of her.

"Have you...tried the food?"

"...it's not as good as yours."

"You must be leaving soon."

"Tomorrow." The thought makes her want to rip her face off.

"You'll be back in a month."

She drummed her fingernails against the marble railing, carefully choosing her words.

"What if things change in a month?" What if, she wanted to say, you meet someone else who loves you better than I can?

"It's only a month."

"A whole month."

"I don't understand. Why are you so afraid?"

"Because - because you'd forget me. You'd forget me, and our memories would sink six feet under, and you'd move on and my heart would break and...you wouldn't care."

She's never felt this way about anyone before, and she doesn't know how to express how badly she needs him to stay.

"I don't want to go back to not knowing you, George."

The setting sun burns into her neck and all of a sudden, she feels unbearably hot. Her hair is plastered to her forehead and her hands feel clammy. Her face is flushed and she feels ridiculous in her dress. But he's here, and she's said it, so she lets herself dream, if only for a moment.q

"I think about you every day. One month, two months, three months...I'll wait."

TAGLIST: @avdiobliss @dangelnleif @elenianag080 @mitskiswift99 @mischivana @houseoftwistedspirits

[gardenofthefareast]

India, East Bengal (Modern Bangladesh), 19th century Textiles; quilts Cotton and wool thread embroidery on plain-weave cotton 78 1/2 x 55 1/2 in. (199.39 x 140.97 cm) Purchased with funds provided by Harry and Yvonne Lenart (AC1994.131.1)

[giordirossi]

"It's probably better that you don't know. Keep your IQ intact." She reassured her tent mate before the cool departure of her gaze rested over Benjamin. "Noted... Do you often picture me beneath you?" Dark hair canted to one side. "You're giving everyone a lot of mixed signals here, Vox."

"Sorry about this Yvonne," turning to Emine. "Keep her name out of your mind, out of your mouth...£ If there was one thing a man with a hobble could be capable off, was moving four quick steps away, fuck. Two people who wanted to kill him, and the daughter of the organization. "Height requirement? If I wanted input from someone beneath me, I’d ask for it.

[esemplast]

CURRICULUM VITAÉ 

born Sydney (AU) 1984

Leinestraße 51,12049 

Berlin GERMAMY

watts.alistair@gmail.com

PERFORMANCE & CHOREOGRAPHY

2021

Maker and performer, No Hard Feelings, 5 hour continuous performance in studio shopfront, Wedding, Berlin, February.

2020

Dancer, sit stand lie / push pull stroke (PLAY I), by Mirjam Gurtner KINDL Zentrum für zeitgenössische Kunst, Kesselhaus, Berlin, June

Dancer, A Passo di Mulo, by Lina Gómez, Tanzfabrik Open Spaces at Uferstudios, Berlin, February

2019

Dancer and co-creator, Delight - Part 2, by Asaf Aharonson, Tanzfabrik Open Spaces at Uferstudios, Berlin, November

Dancer and co-creator, Sub Miss Eve (duet), by Asaf Aharonson, as part of the Carrier Bag Festival, Danseatelier, Copenhagen, Denmark, August

Dancer, ESPRIT, by Lyllie Rouvière, Tanzfabrik Open Spaces at Uferstudios, Berlin, July

Performance Assistant,  Oh, yeah, tonight, video installation by Melanie Jame Woolf, commissioned for The National 2019: New Australian Art by Carriageworks, Sydney

2018

Dancer and co-creator, Soft Spot, by Przemek Kaminski, Polish Institute, Berlin 

Performer, Highness, by Melanie-Jame Woolf, Sophiensaele Berlin

Dancer and co-creator, Magnea, album launch performance, Grießmuehle Berlin

Dancer and co-creator, Limitation Piece, Suddenly Collective, Tanzfabrik, Uferstudios Berlin

Choreographer and Performer, Extravagant Decay (once in a lifetime), Index Gallery, Stockholm, Sweden

Performer and co-creator, Fallback, by Emily Ranford, Dock11, Berlin

Performer and co-creator, Cranky Bodies Meet Again, Dock11, Berlin

2017

Performer, co-choreographer, Cranky Bodies Dance Reset, Peter Pleyer, Sophiensaele Berlin 

Performer, co-choreographer, Thoughts on Thread, research presentation - Jana Unmüßug and Tina Jonsbu, Somatic Academy, Berlin

Choreographer and dancer, L DANCE (a du et), Uferstudios Berlin

Performer, Form that Accommodates Mess, Ewa Dziarnowska, Uferstudios, Berlin

Performer, co-maker, T.E.N.T., Weld Theatre Stockholm, Uferstidios Berlin and Dock 11 Berlin

Performer, Jaded, by Sheena McGrandles, with Claire Viviane Sobottke, Agora and Sophiensaele Berlin

2016

Recipient of the DanceWeb scholarship, a 5 week young professional training program, ImpulsTanz, Vienna

Choreographer/performer, LL, a solo, Uferstudios Berlin

2015

Performer/co-maker, AFTERNOON, with Aaron Ratajczyk, Yvonne Lambert Berlin, Dec

Performer, What’s That Noise?, by Sandhya Daemgen, Female Trouble at Kule Theatre Berlin, November

Performer, CUT OUT REALITY, by Miriam Kongstad, 3AM at Flutgraben, Berlin, July

Performer/maker, NFAT – Neurotic Faggots Arranging Things with Ivan Ekemark, Uferstudios and Dock 11 Berlin, April/October

Performer, Feed the World, Church of Banana – Kasia Wolinska, Martin Hansen, Uferstudios, April

Performer, Go to the…, Marc Gabriel, Uferstudios, April.

PRODUCTION DESIGN & ART DIRECTION FOR SCREEN

2013

Art Director, A Day in the Life of Bliss, a film by Wu Tsang with bocychild, Berlin

Art Director, HOMEcountry, a film by Imogen Heath with NowMomentNow, Berlin

Assistant Art Direction, MyMy, a film by Anna Helme, Sydney

2009/2010

Collaboration with filmmakers Sam Icklow and Imogen Heath of NowMomentNow, music videos for Bethia Beadman (Homerton Station, Berlin 2010), Sui Zhen (Car Crash, Sydney 2010) and The Blush Foundation (HeartBake, Sydney 2009)

PRODUCTION DESIGN FOR STAGE

2013

Video projection and design, Une Explosion, s’il vous plait, dance theatre by 

Matteo Graziano, Master of Choreography project, HZT dance school, Berlin

2012

Production designer (set and costume), Best We Forget, ISTHISYOURS, Old Fitz, Sydney

2011

Set designer, As You Like It, BELVOIR main stage, Sydney

Set designer, Amanda Palmer Goes Down Under, SYDNEY OPERA HOUSE concert hall, Sydney

Set and costume designer, A Midsummer Night’s Dream, remount for regional tour ARTS RADAR and BELVOIR

Assistant to set designer Ralph Myers for BELVOIR’s The Wild Duck and OPERA AUSTRALIA’s The Marriage of Figaro, Sydney

ARCHITECTURE, INTERIORS & INSTALLATION

2012 

Assistant Interior designer to Alice Babidge, THE BAR AT THE END OF THE WHARF renovation, Sydney Theatre Company Restaurant, Sydney

Installation, MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART SHOP window, Biennale of Sydney 

2005-07

Student architect, X SQUARED DESIGN 2005-07 and TANNER ARCHITECTS 2006, Sydney 

SET BUILDING & PROP-MAKING FOR THEATRE

Collaborator including design, installation and stage managing for GLITTER MILITIA productions including Clown Cult (Brisbane Festival 2011, Harvest Festival 2012), Monsta Gras, (Red Rattler 2010, ’11, ’12), Sydney and Brisbane

Productions at BELVOIR including The Business, The Wild Duck, Diary of A Madman, Gwen In Purgatory, Namatjira, The Sapphires, Measure for Measure, That Face, The Book of Everything 2009-2011, Sydney   

EDUCATION

2014 – 2017 HZT BERLIN Bachelor or Arts, Dance, Context and Choreography

2007 – 2009 THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY   Master of Architecture

2008 McGill UNIVERSITY, MONTREAL One semester in B Architecture program 

2003 – 2005 THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY Bachelor of Design (Architecture) 

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Summer Beginner Poi Combo Challenge

Building a beginner poi combo around repetition rather than transitions for a change! This beginner poi routine was inspired by a guy who teaches basic dance steps at my local drum circle in Malcolm X Park here in DC. My hope is that by repeating a few basic poi tricks for a few reps that it'll be an easy entry point for people wanting to learn the basics of poi dancing. Give this one a try and let me know how well it works for you! To get down this combo you'll need to know the following tricks: Tuck Turns: Waistwraps: Corkscrews: Butterflies/Thread the Needle: For more combo tutorials like this one, check out this playlist: #PoiDancing #WorkInProgress #FlowArts #Circus Support these videos on Patreon: Big thanks to the Friends of the Channel: Dark Monk: Flow DNA: Flow Fests: Flowtoys: Juggling Calling: Pyroterra Lighttoys: Spinballs: Ultrapoi: Use the promo code "drexfactorpoi2021" for a discount on your order from Flowtoys Use the promo code "drexfact0r" for a discount on your order from LanternSmith or Ultrapoi or Emazing Lights Check out my 1-minute tutorials for bit-sized snippets of poi spinning knowledge: Be sure to follow me on Instagram for the latest cutting edge tricks I'm working on: A huge thank you to this month's Flow Supporters: Lane Lillquist Andrew Hammond Ky Lee Patrick Spidey BJ ✨ LiHao Zhang josh bernard Clayton Burke Alexey Gilman Keyshla Negron Daniel Popescu LeeAnna Hartman Kimmie Cherry Johnny Howard John Gruber Desert Black Michael LaHood Ben Reynolds Rachel Weber William Pearson Kathleen Griswold Christina S Kent Ducharme Tydell Williams Phlip Purple Carys Matar Jennifer Packard Cory Lund Luke Wuertemberger Skyler G Vinny Perez JF Alison Keroack Samuel Cabrera Maxim Fateev Brandi Hine Ziege Victoria Danger Rose Sarah G Jim Martin Lauren Pontbriant Tyrone Phillips William David James A Hughes RK McGinnis Luke Liene Verzemnieks Anna Gerus Mikey Tina McDonald Kourtney Hunsader karina Christaff Dom Hannah Boler Ma Li Candace Sinclair Alan Sam Rachelle Bassen Zachary Stephens Christoph Mau Carmen Taylor Jason Kupski Jessica Nunno Gabriella Aurora Parodi Sarah H. Nikita Tiemann David Hill Mindi Luke Justin Allen Meadow Lark '@whistlepunk.labs Minh A Dam Siryn Derek Auron Wyse Randall Morgan Blake Westmoreland Aleksander Poppe Yvonne Harlacher Finn Bell jimid Kate Farah Matthew Riordan Lexi Nichelle Parmita Dalal Steffi Jeremiah Johnston Karen Jane Elizabeth Ellis Arlene Smith Dean Ritts Brian Huddleston Paul Kim Sterling Bishop Liz Kramer geoff Chris Guerrant David Diaz Mike Pierce Nathan Kirschman Lunaris Dan Sulfaro Aaron Freeman Mike Corelli Kali Marie Hill Matt Veazie Jeremy Magno Laura Conner Russell Paac Bloodsong Donler Julia Wheeler Sofia Kyle Gust Wittevrongel Alex Ciminian Alexis Krohn Brian Lockridge Flow Mayhem Kelly King S Jones Peter Lynch Grace Elizabeth Chartrand Eliza Hill Corianne van Veen .video-container {position: relative;padding-bottom: 56.25%;padding-top: 1px; height: 0; overflow: hidden;} .video-container iframe, .video-container object, .video-container embed {position: absolute;top: 0;LEFT: 0;width: 100%;height: 100%;}

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[drrutherford]

"Can't blame her for that," He quips, angling his lap in such a way as to try and prevent his niece from reaching for the cookie batter. "Chip off the old block, this one."

And they both know he isn't referring to Théo.

The prospect of Yvonne meeting someone who gives her butterflies fills him with equal parts hope and dread. Perhaps that's any big brother's lot in life, but he can't help but feel as though he has more reason to worry than most. Their last name is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to reasons why. But it's her birthday, and he knows when not to push. So he leans back in the kitchen chair and favours her with a smile.

"Go. Enjoy yourself and say hi to your friends for me... And tell Mystery Man he's dodged a bullet tonight."

The smile cracks into a grin as Yvonne rolls her eyes at him and goes to get ready for her big night, leaving Gideon and his niece to wrestle over the last batch of cookies meant for the oven. "Alright Maddie," He bargains with the exuberant little girl as she tries to lick the spoon again. It's that or never finish the cookies. "This is the last time we'll risk the salmonella or else your mother might kill me. Deal?"

His voice carries all the sternness of wet paper. He's about as soft for his niece as he is for her mother. Maybe that's every older brother's lot in life, too.

— End.

Yvonne didn't bother holding back her chuckles as Maddie did exactly what she'd warned about. Warmth spread through her body as she watched Gideon's hold tighten as Maddie kept reaching for the spoon even after it was taken away. It was rather like watching a cat batting at a toy. "See, I told you. She's getting more creative and adventurous about it too."

There was a part of Yvonne that wanted nothing more than to sit across from Gideon and spill every detail. To gossip away like she was fifteen again, staying up too late at a slumber party, chattering away about who they thought was the cutest boy in their class. But instead she just tsked quietly and pulled out plates from the cupboard. "And subject him to the big brother interrogation already? How about we wait until there's something going on for sure before you try and scare him off."

[zacharylevisource]

Celebrate Chuck's 10th Anniversary With Chuck and Sarah's Best Moments

It's been 10 years since Chuck premiered on NBC and wormed its geeky hilarious way into our hearts.

The spy-comedy-slash-charming-jack-of-all-trades-drama was so many things. It was awesome and touching and smart. It was adventurous and sensitive. It was funny. At its core though, it was a heartfelt love story. Chuck (Zachary Levi) went on a lot of adventures during his time as a spy, but the one constant thread was that he fell in love with a girl who allegedly worked at a hot dog place/smoothie store -- Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski).

Those two lovebirds went through the ringer from almost being blown up to returning exes (Matt Bomer!), dashing secret agents (Brandon Routh!) and family drama, but at the end of the day they always found their way back to each other.

So, if we're going to celebrate the 10th anniversary of such a special gem of a show, we think the best way to do it is to look back at Chuck and Sarah's best moments. Who knew Buy More kisses could be so romantic? (x)

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Maurizio Anzeri makes his portraits by sewing directly into found vintage photographs. His embroidered patterns embellish his subjects like elaborate masks or costumes, but also suggest a psychological aura, as if revealing thoughts, feelings or interior states. The soft, antique sepia of the photographs is often at odds with the graphic lines and silky shimmer of the thread. Combined, these media create the effect of a dimension where history and future converge. ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Maurizio Anzeri (b. 1969) Yvonne 2011 embroidery on photograph 24 x 18.5cm 𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗹 𝘂𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗶𝗻𝗾𝘂𝗶𝗿𝗶𝗲𝘀 (at Saatchi Gallery) https://www.instagram.com/p/B0KnDVDla2q/?igshid=eyo7dlnhkrkr

[damonrutherford]

"I think Adri has you beat in the annoy the shit out of me category, sorry to say." Though truthfully he dished it right back in equal measure so the scales were more than even between the lot of them. At the mention of Catalina, he chuckled. "God, I love her to death, but no shoes?" Dark curls shook slightly. "In no world is it safe to hedge my bets against a three year old. So no, I'll take survival over receiving the most accurate yet cutting insult from your former baby."

"Because it's funny. And it's my job as your youngest sister to annoy the shit out of you. I don't make the rules, I just follow them." Yvonne shrugged. "Good job. You brought the basic necessities. You're already doing better than Catalina is." She rolled her eyes before sitting down on a nearby stump. "Think you can teach my three year old that coats are necessary while you're at it?"

[sgtxpreacher]

Alt!

meet seoras lennox. originally the creation of the wonderful @oftorchwood, jack was kind enough to let me adopt his child. seoras works for torchwood (and is probably one of their first openly nonbinary employees) – for a while they worked under yvonne hartmann, but when the team staffing the glasgow branch died in the base under mysterious circumstances, seoras was part of a team sent from london to find out what happened. long story short: they couldn’t figure out what killed the previous team, but the glasgow base still needed staff (due to a pesky space-time leak in the clyde river that needs monitoring,) so seoras was one of the lucky crew sent to work in a base that could mysteriously kill them at any moment. fun!

seoras’s job can be described something like “professional conspiracy theorist.” they gather together every scrap of information they can about alien life and the clyde leak, mix it all up in their brain, and try to figure out what pieces connect to what in order to predict what earth’s relationship with its extraterrestrial neighbors will be and how torchwood needs to prepare for the future. (but no pressure, right?) on a day-to-day level, this also includes trying to determine how different alien cultures are related from the bits and pieces that come through the leak, figuring out the chemical composition of chunks of space rock ( “taste testing is a crucial step,” says seoras, though nobody knows why,) and trying not to, y’know, be killed by their workplace or anything.

but enough about work! seoras is a leo (their birthday is in two days!) looking for someone interested in a committed relationship – jk, their work consumes their life and they don’t have time for a committed relationship!! haha! not to mention the typical torchwood problems of not being able to tell your significant other about what your work really is. no, instead their hobbies include karaoke night with the rest of the team, drinking a lot of wine, playing scrabble with their flatmate ashley, cooking, and trying to get in contact with some weirdo who travels through time (and possibly space) in a blue telephone box.

that’s right. seoras got work at torchwood in part because of their skill at sifting through the threads of history to find just about every instance of blue police telephone boxes where telephone boxes should not – cannot – be, and meeting the doctor is a life’s goal of theirs. growing up in inverness, the thought of adventuring through time and space was very appealing. they call it a hobby, others call it an obsession – but seoras is hopeful that, if they manage to get enough data, they’ll be able to figure out how to be in the right place at the right time to meet their hero.

(”it’s not stalking,” they say. “stalking would be following, and you can’t follow someone around if you don’t know where they are.” this is not reassuring to anyone but seoras.)

but talk to them about quantum physics, the x-files, 90′s hip hop, or good food and you’re sure to make a friend.

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2018-03-29 07 MOVIE now

MOVIE

Birth. Movies. Death.

SXSW 2018 Review: TAKE YOUR PILLS Shines A Light On An Alarming Problem

Is Denis Villeneuve Still Making a DUNE Movie? Nope! Now He’s Making TWO Of Them

FIRST MATCH Trailer Takes A Girl’s Troubles To The Mat

Wes Anderson And Bill Murray: A Cinematic Rapport

Book Review: S. Craig Zahler’s HUG CHICKENPENNY Is A Touching Gothic Parable

CineVue

Film Review: Midnight Sun

Film Review: Journeyman

Criterion Review: Yi Yi

Film Review: A Wrinkle in Time

Film Review: Mark Felt: The Man Who Brought Down the White House

Cinema Blend

How Much Money Deadpool 2 Might Make Opening Weekend

Strike Back Renewed For Season 6 At Cinemax

How Claire Foy Will Look In The Girl In The Spider's Web

Check Out The Dawson's Creek Cast Reunited For The Show's 20th Anniversary

How Much X-Men: Dark Phoenix's Reshoots Could Cost

Cinema Scope

Cinema Scope 74 Contents

The Work (Jairus McLeary & Gethin Aldous, US)

Global Discoveries on DVD: A Few Peripheral Matters

Canadiana | Hometown Horror: Robin Aubert’s Les affamés

Exploded View: Bruce Conner’s Crossroads

Comicboook.com

Death Of Superman First Look Released

'IT' Sequel Reportedly Has Official Title

Robert Downey Jr Makes Young Terminally Ill Fan's Dream Come True

Fans Think Chris Evans Looks Like Spider-Man's J. Jonah Jameson Now

Michael Myers in New 'Halloween' Will Be Very Physical with Cat-Like Qualities

Film Comment Magazine

Queer & Now & Then: 2018

The Film Comment Podcast: Easter Hams

Festivals: True/False 2018

Berlin Interview: Lav Diaz

Readings: Ishiro Honda: A Life in Film, from Godzilla to Kurosawa

Film Inquiry

Time Crisis: TWELVE MONKEYS

CUSTODY: A Social Realist Take On The Home Invasion Thriller

WILDE SALOMÉ & SALOMÉ: Pacino’s Passion Project Finally Sees The Light Of Day

CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME? Trailer

Fantasy Science Pt. 2: The Turing Test & EX MACHINA

Film School Rejects

Beautiful Concept Art for ‘The Last Jedi’ Reveals Luscious Worlds

‘Beetljuice’ to Reclaim Center Stage in Musical Revival

The 10 Best Horror Movies of 2018 So Far

Justine Bateman To Make Feature Directorial Debut With ‘Violet’

The Sweet, Refreshing Optimism of ‘Barry’

Reddit Movies

Pixar's Next Short Film 'Bao' Explores an Empty-Nesting Chinese Mother

‘The Handmaid’s Tale’s Yvonne Strahovski Joins Noomi Rapace In Thriller ‘Angel Of Mine’

John Cazale, the actor who appeared in only five movies, all nominated for the Best Picture Academy Award

From mall cops to sex buddies: 14 times movies about the same thing came out at the same time

Christopher Nolan Will Celebrate ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ by Taking an Unrestored 70mm Print to Cannes

Roger Ebert

Women Writers Week 2018: Table of Contents

Phantom Thread, Jane Eyre, and the Power Dynamics of Hetero Romance

Disability Theater Access in 2018

Against the Odds: Netflix Brings “Lost in Space” to WonderCon

Ready Player One

Screen Rant

20 Interesting Facts About Liam Hemsworth and Miley Cyrus’ Relationship

Netflix Orders Frank Miller’s King Arthur Retelling Cursed

Netflix Announces New John Mulaney Stand-Up Special

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Is 2017’s Most Profitable Blockbuster

Marvel Strike Force Trailer: Drax Should Always Go First

Slash Film

‘The Irishman’: 77-Year Old Al Pacino Talks About Playing a 39-Year Old Jimmy Hoffa In Martin Scorsese’s New Netflix Movie

John Mulaney’s ‘Kid Gorgeous’ Stand-Up Special Hits Netflix in May

‘Ready Player One’ Likely to Have Spielberg’s Biggest Opening in a Decade

‘Cobra Kai’ Marketing Kicks Into Gear, “Vandalized” Billboard Appears in L.A.

Vice Admiral Holdo Was Force-Sensitive, Laura Dern Reveals

[ssseeeooo-camille-fr-blog]

Xiaomi Ordinateur Portable Air 13.3 (2017) Critique

Bonjour, tous le monde！Aujourd’hui, je vous propose un nouveau produit - Xiaomi Ordinateur Portable Air 13. Le fabricant chinois, mieux connu pour sa gamme de smartphones, a rafraîchi toute sa gamme de 12,5 et 13,3 pouces (maintenant il s'agit d'un nouveau seris, un magnifique Pro de 15,6 pouces) avec un regard clair sur le lucratif public.

Xiaomi est allé chercher les meilleurs composants (enfin, au moins il y a quelques mois, de toute façon) pour cet ordinateur portable. Le modèle de 256 Go que nous avons reçu fonctionne avec le SSD Samsung PM961 M.2 NVMe, l'un des disques durs portables les plus rapides actuellement disponibles.

L'Intel Core i5-7200U de 7e génération n'est pas aussi puissant que l'i5-8250U qui vient de sortir, mais il délivre toujours un punch puissant: il a deux cœurs, quatre threads, une fréquence turbo maximale de 3,1 GHz et 3 Mo de cache.

La puce de communication embarquée a également été mise à niveau vers l'Intel Wireless AC 8265.

Cependant, la grande amélioration provient du GPU Nvidia GeForce MX150 embarqué, basé sur l'architecture Pascal, et offrant jusqu'à 37% de performances de jeu en plus par rapport à la 940MX.

Le MX150 prend également en charge la technologie Optimus qui permet aux applications de basculer de façon transparente entre les graphiques intégrés et dédiés pour économiser la batterie lorsque celle-ci n'est pas nécessaire.

Voici la configuration Xiaomi Ordinateur Portable Air 13.3 envoyée à Yvonne Richard pour examen:

CPU: Intel Core i5-7200U (double cœur, 2,5 GHz, cache de 3 Mo)

Graphiques: Intel HD Graphics 620, GeForce MX150 avec 2 Go de GDDR5

RAM: 8 Go DDR4 (2133 MHz)

Écran: écran FHD de 13,3 pouces

Stockage: 256 Go M.2 Samsung PM961 SSD

Ports: 1 x USB 3.0, 1 x USB 3.0 avec PowerShare, USB Type-C, prise audio, HDMI

Connectivité: Intel Wireless AC 8265 (Wi-Fi 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.1)

Appareil photo: webcam HD 1MP

Poids: 1,31 kg

Taille: 309 x 211 x 14.8mm (L x P x H)

Garantie: 12 mois

Batterie: 39.2Whr / 5.4Ah

[i-am-very-very-tired]

Julie H(455) said: 13-07-11 16:28 I'm sorry but I think that kind of narrow mindedness would mean the end of the human race because if poor people didnt have kids there would be very few people in the world. I must admit I do feel a similar view when I see the ads for red cross etc where they show the starving babies etc as I don't think that the people should keep having kids if they can't feed them properly as it can't be nice for them or the children being brought into that kind of life, however there are tribes out there that aren't in the developed world and they cope fine without money like we have as they have the means to support themselves with food etc and they have a better society than ours. If anyone dared to tell me not to have kids then I would seriously retaliate back at them as its not their place to say. Ok yes I do live in a council house and yes we do now receive council tax and housing benefit ontop of tax credits and child benefit, however I work albeit part time and I provide for my children they have the roof over their head, they have full tummies and they have things that I never had at their age etc. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! katy r(20) said: 13-07-11 16:37 Children need a lot more than money! It is easier if you are better off though - just because its one less thing to stress about, because much as we love them the little monsters can be pretty hard work. What winds me up is the attitude by a very few people that they can happily have as many children as they want and the state will pay. Accidents happen and circumstances change but i think that some women just have a baby because they feel like it with no thought at all how they will provide the basics are outrageous.. And deliberately having another when you are already struggling financially is just ridiculous. I'm sure people like that are in the minority - they just always make it on to the pages of the Daily mail so we get to hear about it!!! Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Yvonne G(88) said: 13-07-11 16:45 I'm really pleased to see that this is clearly a minority of people as it did upset me a bit. Then again I am 6 months PG so its not really surprising, I get upset at everything LOL. Just after the dificulties we've been through TTC it made me feel so bad that there are people out there who obviously don't believe I should be a mummy and that's a bit mean. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Kirsty C(274) said: 13-07-11 16:45 Quote Originally Posted by Julie H(455) View Post I must admit I do feel a similar view when I see the ads for red cross etc where they show the starving babies etc as I don't think that the people should keep having kids if they can't feed them properly as it can't be nice for them or the children being brought into that kind of life, They don't have the same access to contraceptives as us. Whatever money we choose to donate to the Red Cross etc is used to pay for essentials like clean water, food, life saving medicine. By saying they shouldn't have children you are saying they shouldn't "love" their partner, seek comfort from intimacy, deny themselves a basic human need. When I saw the title of this thread my intial thought was to say "I wasn't poor - until I had children..." I haven't seen the original thread but it was probably someone saying something without thinking about how it could be perceived by others. Yvonne, don't let it upset you. There are plenty of rich people who shouldn't have children because although they can provide financially they can't give children the things you will give your baby: a loving and secure home, a place to grow up feeling nurtured and supported. Luckily it isn't up to anyone except the parents/prospective parents. We each have to make our own decisions and then cope with those decisions. Some people may feel parenthood has been forced upon them and their choices are limited; I can't imagine how it must feel to be in that circumstance; but no-one has a right to say another should or shouldn't have children - especially for financial reasons. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Stephanie R(167) said: 13-07-11 16:50 I was once told that if you wait until you can afford to have kids, you'll never have them! As long as you can afford their clothes and to feed them, that's all that matters. When I was growing up my parents divorced and our income was slashed but my mum worked hard to ensure we never went without. There is such a small number of people rich enough like the Beckhams to have everything but it doesn't mean their kids are any happier than us mere mortals! Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! J W(89) said: 13-07-11 16:53 People who think like that are in the minority and they are very narrow minded if they can't see that as long as a child is loved and warm and fed, then it will be just as happy as a child brought up in a financially better off household. Why should some people think they are better or that they're more 'deserving' than others? Money certainly doesn't make them more deserving of having a child than someone who isn't as well off. Being a good parent never comes down to money. I think whenever you feel is the right time for having a baby is the right time, regardless of lack of savings! When your baby first comes along all they'll need is happy, loving, warm parents so you'll be fine. x Alison N(67)'s Avatar Alison N(67) said: 13-07-11 16:55 My first reaction was "well, I can see she has a point - you do need the ability to put a roof over baby's head and provide for them" (note that provide does not necessarily mean materially !). But then I read Stephen's comment and he's right. "The Poor" have been having kids for millenia. Jeez if we were to stop it now then hardly anyone would have kids and only the braying class would afford it and have more braying children ! (just kidding!). I think that however you best try and plan it life has a habit of doing it's own thing. I fell pg by "accident". Basically was told I couldn't have kids and had to come off pill (taken for acne anyway) because of an impending operation and fell pg. I could give you date and almost time of conception ! We were fairly well off then and had a nice 4 bedroomed house etc etc but times change and now we have 2 kids, a rented 2 bed cottage and usually have a bank account that's in the red. Hey ho. You can't take it with you. Ignore people who make comments like teh one you read. It's not really their fault. They just don't know what life is like for others so can only make comments from their own narrow perceptions. Enjoy being PG. And enjoy having a baby. It will bring you a lot of joy and no amount of money can buy you that (unless you are Elton John or Madonna.....). x Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Teresa S(8) said: 13-07-11 16:59 Quote Originally Posted by helen d(605) View Post i haven't read any threads like this, only ones about people having lots of babies on benefits. As long as you are providing for your family i don't think it is anyones buissness but your own how many children you have. It's been said in the uniform grant thread. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! KAREN L(12) said: 13-07-11 17:02 I just wanted to say growing up my family were well of (4 businesses, 7 bedroom house) even had my own little business at the age of 11. we had everything we wanted, latest clothes, new bikes etc.... My best friend at school was the scruffiest child going, charity shop, hand me downs, never even had a bed, but i prefered staying at her house than i did my own because she had lots of love in her house... I think as long as that child has love and warmth nothing else matters certainly not money... Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Yvonne G(88) said: 13-07-11 17:08 Quote Originally Posted by Teresa S(8) View Post It's been said in the uniform grant thread. Yeah I saw it in that one today but unfortunately I've seen it a couple of other times in previous threads, was just having a look through but somehow I can't seem to find threads I'm looking for if they are not recent?!?! As most people have said it's clearly the minority so when I see it again I'm just going to ignore it and concentrate on the next three months (sooo slow!!) and then on my little boy when he gets here and being the best mummy I can be Julie H(455)'s Avatar Julie H(455) said: 13-07-11 17:20 Quote Originally Posted by Kirsty C(274) View Post They don't have the same access to contraceptives as us. Whatever money we choose to donate to the Red Cross etc is used to pay for essentials like clean water, food, life saving medicine. By saying they shouldn't have children you are saying they shouldn't "love" their partner, seek comfort from intimacy, deny themselves a basic human need. When I saw the title of this thread my intial thought was to say "I wasn't poor - until I had children..." I haven't seen the original thread but it was probably someone saying something without thinking about how it could be perceived by others. Yvonne, don't let it upset you. There are plenty of rich people who shouldn't have children because although they can provide financially they can't give children the things you will give your baby: a loving and secure home, a place to grow up feeling nurtured and supported. Luckily it isn't up to anyone except the parents/prospective parents. We each have to make our own decisions and then cope with those decisions. Some people may feel parenthood has been forced upon them and their choices are limited; I can't imagine how it must feel to be in that circumstance; but no-one has a right to say another should or shouldn't have children - especially for financial reasons. I'm not saying they shouldn't have kids I just don't think they should have child after child and not be able to look after it at all thats the thing that I think is wrong along with all the children/babies that get dumped in orphanages because they have hiv etc, there are other areas that manage to have children and raise them as they have the means to look after them such as the tribes in the rainforests etc, they seem to manage ok without outside help. PROUD MUM TO 4 WONDERFUL CHILDREN AND AN ANGEL MORGAN BORN 23/01/2007 @ 02.08 WEIGHING 5LB 4OZ 39+2WKS PAIGE BORN 30/03/2008 @ 16.10 WEIGHING 6LB 4OZ 39+6WKS MADDISON BORN 13/12/2009 @ 21.50 WEIGHING 5LB 9OZ 38WKS ANGEL GONE TOO SOON AT 6WKS 21/04/2011 TOBY BORN 09/01/2012 @ 13.28 WEIGHING 4LB 6OZ 37+5WKS Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Jessica O(28) said: 13-07-11 17:21 I was on one of those terrible threads several weeks ago and was attacked for having a child and being on tax credits. The poster even asked me, ''wouldn't your child have prefered to have had wealthy parents''. I can't begin to describe how hurt I felt at that comment. As if we don't deserve our child because we're average. I am a studying SAHM and DH works full time. We are going to have one more child and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks. x Last edited by Jessica O(28); 13-07-11 at 17:22. Julie H(455)'s Avatar Julie H(455) said: 13-07-11 17:28 Quote Originally Posted by Jessica O(28) View Post I was on one of those terrible threads several weeks ago and was attacked for having a child and being on tax credits. The poster even asked me, ''wouldn't your child have prefered to have had wealthy parents''. I can't begin to describe how hurt I felt at that comment. As if we don't deserve our child because we're average. I am a studying SAHM and DH works full time. We are going to have one more child and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks. x OMG that is shocking, if I was a child and had the choice of well off parents who spent little time with me other parents who had less and spent more time with them then I'd choose the latter every time, money may buy things and a small amount of happyness however it does not buy LOVE or happy memories. We may be on tax credits and I may work part time however I would rather be how we are and not have so much and spend quality time with my children over being stuck in a job 9-5 with someone else raising my child for me and only having weekends to spend with them if that as other things need to be done, sorry but that style of life is not for me and I actually feel sorry for those who do have that life. When my kids are older and in full time education then I will look at increasing my hours but only to fit in with school hours so I can spend time with the kids. PROUD MUM TO 4 WONDERFUL CHILDREN AND AN ANGEL MORGAN BORN 23/01/2007 @ 02.08 WEIGHING 5LB 4OZ 39+2WKS PAIGE BORN 30/03/2008 @ 16.10 WEIGHING 6LB 4OZ 39+6WKS MADDISON BORN 13/12/2009 @ 21.50 WEIGHING 5LB 9OZ 38WKS ANGEL GONE TOO SOON AT 6WKS 21/04/2011 TOBY BORN 09/01/2012 @ 13.28 WEIGHING 4LB 6OZ 37+5WKS Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Yvonne G(88) said: 13-07-11 17:31 Quote Originally Posted by Jessica O(28) View Post I was on one of those terrible threads several weeks ago and was attacked for having a child and being on tax credits. The poster even asked me, ''wouldn't your child have prefered to have had wealthy parents''. I can't begin to describe how hurt I felt at that comment. As if we don't deserve our child because we're average. I am a studying SAHM and DH works full time. We are going to have one more child and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks. x I am so sorry that you had to endure someone saying something like that directly to you I'm sure you are a wonderful mummy and your LO will grow up very happy. Good luck with your studying and future babies Natalie B(25)'s Avatar Natalie B(25) said: 13-07-11 17:33 1) What's 'poor' anyway? Someone who can't afford 2 cars and a foreign holiday? A family where both parents have to work so when a child comes along they have to claim some sort of benefit? Families who rely totally on government handouts? Surely even they're rich compared with the poor families in West Africa at the minute who are starving and having to flee to camps. Are those families wrong to have kids? Do they deserve to have their children die en route to the camps because they have no food or water? 2) Since when was life and anyone's status in it a constant thing? It doesn't take much for someone who was relatively comfortable to be facing redundancy, unemployment, having to claim benefits or lose their house, especially in times of economic uncertainty and recession. Does that mean no one should have a baby until the economy is more stable, just in case? 3) What should happen to people who do fall on hard times, especially unexpectedly? Should we make people rely on themselves rather than a welfare state? Should they hand their children over to social services until they're on a more even keel financially? Should we reinstate the workhouse and split poor families up? 4) Since when was money the be all and end all of having a child? What about love and care and commitment to that child's well-being regardless of the state of the parents' bank account? I agree, OP, that people should be entitled to have children regardless of status...and I agree that the world would be a sorry place if the lower classes were denied the right to have children because of their economic worth. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! stella d(10) said: 13-07-11 17:45 Im not sure anyone is too poor to have children to be honest as i thought i would be homeless with my dd and turned out i was provided with a house and could afford to raise her. i would not be without my dd and i love my children dearly i considered abortion and couldnt do it and i would be lost without her. shes my wee princess . im glad we are in society that are able to help the needed. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! stella d(10) said: 13-07-11 17:49 ps i worked 80 plus hours a week earning peanuts since sixteen and had no savings. i dont think today i would have any children if i was meant to save beforehand on minimum wage. Lisa Marie R's Avatar Lisa Marie R said: 13-07-11 18:09 Quote Originally Posted by Julie H(455) View Post I'm not saying they shouldn't have kids I just don't think they should have child after child and not be able to look after it at all thats the thing that I think is wrong along with all the children/babies that get dumped in orphanages because they have hiv etc, there are other areas that manage to have children and raise them as they have the means to look after them such as the tribes in the rainforests etc, they seem to manage ok without outside help. They have child after child though because they have limited or no control over their own reproduction- no contraception, and even abstinence isn't feasible as a woman cannot simply refuse to have sex due to sexual inequality. Many people in rural areas need to have a large family so that the children can help care for crops cattle etc. as well as look after older relatives. In Africa people have to endure periods of drought and famine, coupled with civil unrest and civil war where people's whole livelihoods can be wiped out over night. They can't rely on their governments for help because the governments either don't want to know and are shockingly corrupt or are directing funds into fighting. Also tribes in the rain forest etc. often have appalling infant mortality rates. Rain forest tribe also have appalling infant mortality rates meaning that there is little or no population growth. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! emma s(905) said: 13-07-11 18:21 Dont beleive all you read on netmums! Ive read people say dont have kids if youll miss your CB, dont have kids if you want to have a night out without them etc etc. Theres always some over opinionated person spouting there "rightous" views. Although to an extent i wouldnt of wanted my children to be born into poverty its not for me to define what poverty is for everyone or to say what other people should do. For us we wanted to be finanically stable, have our own home and also have our lives a bit, i know not everyone can or want to do these things but thats what we wanted and we did. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Jessica B(49) said: 13-07-11 18:22 What is poor ?!. Poor in the western world can mean such different things to a developing country. I think children have basic needs love, warmth, food, shelter of course money comes into it but is not the be all and end all. On a personel note I think people get upset when people have as many children as they want then exspect the state to support them. As I would love another baby but despite the fact we both work just can't afford it Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Rebecca C(629) said: 13-07-11 18:23 I'm not sure how you would define poor and can any of us really 'afford' children? It's a lifelong commitment anyway it's not as if you have to pay up front! However, I have two children and we considered a third, one of the things we looked at was what the impact on our financial situation and ultimately lifestyle would be. I know people very well who struggled immensely to make ends meet with two children, literally scraping money together for their food shopping each week. They went on to have a third child and are now struggling even more...I have to confess that its a little difficult to be sympathetic. I just think that we all have to plan our family and looking at what that means for you financially is not a bad thing. A Mother is someone, who on seeing three pieces of pie for four people instantly declares that she never did care for pie. "...sometimes I have a big mouth, when I see something that I dont like...I gotta say it!" DAWN M(96)'s Avatar DAWN M(96) said: 13-07-11 18:29 Having happy and secure children and being a a Great parent is far more to do with the Parents as people than the amount of money you have. If you have a real Love of children,would do anything to protect them,you can understand where they're coming from,respect they're views,encourage them with school and any hobbies they like,sit through even the most annoying cartoon,take they're fears and worries seriously even if you find them laughable,allow them to have an oppinion different to yours,can be completely unselfish and put your children first then your a Great Parent and where does any of that say anything about the amount of money you have. I'm Mum to 5DC hunni and I'm not rich but you know what my children are allways happy,listened to,respected and understood.Many of they're friends tell me and my OH that they'd love to live with us.When any of our children have a problem they come straight to us because they know we'll listen and we'll sort it out the same with they're friends lots of them tell us things that they'd never speak to they're parents about.I think it's really sad that they feel like they can't talk to they're parents but I am glad that they can talk to us and they know that will listen to them and help them. Some of the children who come to us for help come from familys that are really on the breadline and lots of them are from familys that are well off.So you see money makes no difference.Lots of these children are being failed by they're parents rich or poor. Congratulations on your pregnancy and your wedding.How exciting.Good Luck and I hope you have a great day and an easy and healthy pregnancy.xx Lisa Marie R's Avatar Lisa Marie R said: 13-07-11 18:57 Whenever I hear things like this I always think of the different childhoods my parents had. My mum was one of 7 kids brought up in a three bed council house, actually my grandparents only had a house after they had their 4th child, with the first three they lived in a bed sit and the only running water in the building was two floors down. My grandparents made ends meet by my grandfather working all hours that god sent sometimes leaving the house in the early hours and only returning late at night, my grand mother was a stay at home mum who earned extra money by taking in sewing and once the older kids were old enough to be left alone working as a seamstress in a factory. There was always food on the table, and clothes, although clothes were often home made or second hand and enough coal for the fire, although everything else could often be in short supply. I have yet to hear any one of my aunts or uncles complain about their upbringing- the general consensus is that although they never had much they all knew that they were deeply loved and my grandparents were close to all their children until they passed away. My father was one of two children born in Gibralter on the RAF base. My grandfather was an officer, and my grandmother didn't work. Money was not a big issue, they were very well of for the time. My father learnt to speak Spanish from the Spanish maid and the Spanish nanny before he learnt to speak English as my grandfather was out drinking when he wasn't working, and although my grandmother didn't work she would be out of the house playing bridge for much of the day. My father and aunt spent term time at boarding school and the holidays at friends, when my grandfather died of a stroke the day after the funeral my grandmother sent both her children back to boarding school while she went on holiday. My father now has as little contact with his mother as possible. I know which upbringing I would prefer if I had a choice. Money is not everything, obviously if you are struggling to provide basics like food and shelter then having children is not a good idea, but aside from that, love and caring are the important things. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Tracy R(168) said: 13-07-11 19:06 Oh anyone who thinks like this is bloody stupid! I was brought up on jumble sale clothes and value food for half my life, its mademe gratefu l for what I have now. We aren't rich but we aren't poor, we struggle some months but not others. Its dam right stupid to think that kids should only be brought up in rich families! Congrats on your pregnancy and ignore any stupid comments. Want a unique gift for your little one? I hand draw and paint banners (Party) and Canvas, at really low prices (Just cost of materials) I love doing it and is a hobby, hence the low prices. serena s(3)'s Avatar serena s(3) said: 13-07-11 19:34 just because you are rich doesnt make u a good parent. money doesnt buy the most important thing. i have nannied for several famalies and can say hand on heart they werent the happiest of children (by no means am i saying all rich famalies are like this just from my experience) mum and dad in the same house but not really 'there' money doesnt buy love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and love gets u far in the world...... Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Yvonne G(88) said: 14-07-11 00:10 Just like to say thank you to all of you for sharing your stories and opinions, you have really made me feel a lot better. Of course I knew that money is not everything anyway it just got me a bit emotional so thanks again I think growing up without all the money in the world and learning the value of money, and working hard for what you have is much more important than being handed everything on a silver platter, never having to work for anything and ending up a spoilt so and so! Dianne P(12)'s Avatar Dianne P(12) said: 14-07-11 00:49 The people who shouldn't have babies are the ones not capable or don't have the inclination to look after them! If you are struggling to look after yourselves then it's going to be hard - but not impossible. You don't have to have all the baby equipment that's available - most of it is completely not needed anyway. Charity shops sell some lovely things and there are loads of stuff available cheaply on the For Sale boards on here and on ebay. Most baby equipment is hardly used so is as new. Then there are car boot sales, years ago I bought the most gorgeous fine knit shawl for 50p and every one admires it. As long as your baby has your love and time he will be fine. Congratulations and all the best x x x Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Claire M(1284) said: 14-07-11 01:57 Quote Originally Posted by Yvonne T(81) View Post Hi everyone, I really don't want to start a huge argument but I am really upset about this and wanted to say something...hope I've put it in the right place as I've no idea really where it should go. Basically, I just read on another ladies thread people saying "people who are poor shouldn't have children" and that the "children would not have a good life being brought up poor", basically just "don't have children unless you have lots of money" and I think this is absolutely disgusting. How can people say this? I am 24 years old, pregnant with my first child due in October, my fiance and I are getting married in 4 weeks time and we do not have a massive amount of money, we do struggle at times but after being told for years that I would be unable to have children and then suffering a miscarriage I was delighted to find that we were going to have a baby. So to the people that think 'the poor' should not have babies, do you think I should give up my baby? do you think I should have gotten rid of my baby? My fiance and I try so hard to save money for our baby, try so hard to make sure he is going to have a good life and then people like this come along and make me feel like a piece of poo! Surely not everyone thinks like this...everyone in the world is entitled to have babies if that is what they want, we have wanted nothing more than to start a family and this has just upset me a bit. Please give opinions but not arguments. In total agreement and makes me quite cross that people say some shouldn't have kids due to finances! We survive on a tiny amount of money at times - eg. there are weeks when we don't even have a food budget, yet somehow we always manage (go for meals at friends' etc)!!! Only have one child at the moment, but if mother nature allowed, we would have at LEAST 2 more, regardless of finances. We only have a 2-bed terrace too! Yet even in our worst months, our daughter is GENUNELY happy, and is grateful for even a treat such as a chocolate bar We totally believe that, as long as your kids are truly loved, then everything else comes second ! C W(51)'s Avatar C W(51) said: 14-07-11 04:56 Maybe it's the conservative influence.. only the middle and upper classes are entitled to happiness. The rest of the population should devote their lives to ensuring that this is the case! How have we ended up with this government?! How does a Liberal vote become conservative success? Anyway, back to the point.. I think the people most have an issue with are those who have never worked a day in their life and have purposefully played the systems in order to reap the rewards of as many benefits as humanly possible, without having ever actually contributed to the tax and national insurance system themselves. I admit, I find this extremely irritating and find it a tough pill to swallow, however, there are genuine cases and I would like to believe that the genuine cases do out weigh the false claimers and downright lazy. Don't worry about what tripe people you have never met on here spout, some people don't consider all cases when writing their thoughts and they may have a specific situation in mind they are moaning about. They don't know you, you do. You know that you will do the best for your child and that is what is important. Hold your head high and enjoy your pregnancy and when the time comes, being a mummy to your precious bundle Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! lynsey r(39) said: 14-07-11 07:00 Quote Originally Posted by Julie H(455) View Post OMG that is shocking, if I was a child and had the choice of well off parents who spent little time with me other parents who had less and spent more time with them then I'd choose the latter every time, money may buy things and a small amount of happyness however it does not buy LOVE or happy memories. We may be on tax credits and I may work part time however I would rather be how we are and not have so much and spend quality time with my children over being stuck in a job 9-5 with someone else raising my child for me and only having weekends to spend with them if that as other things need to be done, sorry but that style of life is not for me and I actually feel sorry for those who do have that life. When my kids are older and in full time education then I will look at increasing my hours but only to fit in with school hours so I can spend time with the kids. Sorry but you comment isnt on. Youv'e criticised parents who work and make decent money and suggested that they aren't able to spend quality time with their children and that other people raise their kids for them!!! God, get a grip. As a household where both me and OH are working full time I find this so insulting. You cant complain that others make judgement calls about you when you are doing it yourself. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! kate g(230) said: 14-07-11 07:21 I hate it when people say this. When I had my first, I was at college and worked part time in a bar, my husband was an apprentice. We had a one bedroomed flat. When my last son was born we'd both qualified and moved up the career ladder, have a bigger house and are comfortable. Peoples circumstances change, we never know what is around the corner! Nothing on maslow's hierachy of needs costs a lot if money. I have met rubbish parents from all salary groups! Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Kelly S(548) said: 14-07-11 07:32 There is a difference between people who struggle a bit and people who are destitute. In my opinion, if you are homeless, cant afford to feed/clothe yourself then having a child is possibly not a viable option. However if you just have tight months here and there, and can still provide shelter and food for a baby, then the rest is free, love, playing etc ... so of course they should have babies. I think the argument needs to be looked at reasonably. Congratulations to the OP, you dont sound poor to me, just like everyone else .... hard working and managing .... its a big sign of the times. Kells x Julie H(455)'s Avatar Julie H(455) said: 14-07-11 11:39 Quote Originally Posted by lynsey r(39) View Post Sorry but you comment isnt on. Youv'e criticised parents who work and make decent money and suggested that they aren't able to spend quality time with their children and that other people raise their kids for them!!! God, get a grip. As a household where both me and OH are working full time I find this so insulting. You cant complain that others make judgement calls about you when you are doing it yourself. Where did I say that I'm judging?? Its just my opinion that I prefer to be able to spend time with my kids than work long hours for more money and have less quality time with the children it just doesnt seem logical to me when my children are so young, its each to their own and were all entitled to have opinions. But I still stand with I find it baffling working full time and forking out most of your wages for someone else to be raising your children when you could just as easily do without that extra £50 a month or so (basing it on what we'd be left with by working full time etc) to me that isn't logical as that extra £50 isn't going to get very far and it certainly wont make up for the time not spent with my children. PROUD MUM TO 4 WONDERFUL CHILDREN AND AN ANGEL MORGAN BORN 23/01/2007 @ 02.08 WEIGHING 5LB 4OZ 39+2WKS PAIGE BORN 30/03/2008 @ 16.10 WEIGHING 6LB 4OZ 39+6WKS MADDISON BORN 13/12/2009 @ 21.50 WEIGHING 5LB 9OZ 38WKS ANGEL GONE TOO SOON AT 6WKS 21/04/2011 TOBY BORN 09/01/2012 @ 13.28 WEIGHING 4LB 6OZ 37+5WKS Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Emma C(680) said: 14-07-11 11:44 Quote Originally Posted by Jemma C(93) View Post In my mind, it's those who have children to get money that are wrong. If you can feed, house, clothe and most of all love your child, everything else is a bonus If you are, say, on the verge of homelessness for example, then you shouldn't start a family. Of course all of this is my opinion and most people's will be different Good luck with your pregnancy and CONGRATULATIONS I dont understand why anyone in that situation would want to, although I know it happens. Our landlord served us an eviction notice when he found out I was pregnant. We were homeless at 36 weeks pregnant. It was the most stressful time in my life! Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! lynsey r(39) said: 14-07-11 11:48 Quote Originally Posted by Julie H(455) View Post Where did I say that I'm judging?? Its just my opinion that I prefer to be able to spend time with my kids than work long hours for more money and have less quality time with the children it just doesnt seem logical to me when my children are so young, its each to their own and were all entitled to have opinions. But I still stand with I find it baffling working full time and forking out most of your wages for someone else to be raising your children when you could just as easily do without that extra £50 a month or so (basing it on what we'd be left with by working full time etc) to me that isn't logical as that extra £50 isn't going to get very far and it certainly wont make up for the time not spent with my children. Your original post just sort of sounded as though you were having a go at people who did work and were on ok wages. Working doesn't necessarily mean less quality time with your children and doesn't mean that other people are raising them either. It could be argued in this instance that for all children in full time education, schools are raising children as they spend the best part of their day at school. The argument doesn't hold logic for me that's all. It isn't either or- just because your 'poor' ( I hate that word) doesn't mean your children do without anything or that you shouldn't have children to begin with. Those children whose parents are on an ok wage aren't necessarily missing out on quality time or being 'raised' by others either. I just hate the assumptions- from both sides. MELANIE S(17)'s Avatar MELANIE S(17) said: 14-07-11 11:52 Yvonne, we dont have alot of money and have huge debt but my daughter has everything she wants and needs. Yes we have made huge cut backs on other stuff but never went hungry one single night. We have a mortgage and a hell of a lot of bills to pay out every month but who hasnt. My daughter never wears hand me downs its always new. I buy clothes from Primark, Tesco and Asda and they last her a hell of a lot langer than Next, Top shop ect. Please dont feel bad honey. I dont work so the financial strain is even harder on us but hopefully I can get the job I applied for so that will help us a bit even tho the money is not great. But every little helps. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Jessica O(28) said: 14-07-11 12:08 Quote Originally Posted by lynsey r(39) View Post Your original post just sort of sounded as though you were having a go at people who did work and were on ok wages. Working doesn't necessarily mean less quality time with your children and doesn't mean that other people are raising them either. It could be argued in this instance that for all children in full time education, schools are raising children as they spend the best part of their day at school. The argument doesn't hold logic for me that's all. It isn't either or- just because your 'poor' ( I hate that word) doesn't mean your children do without anything or that you shouldn't have children to begin with. Those children whose parents are on an ok wage aren't necessarily missing out on quality time or being 'raised' by others either. I just hate the assumptions- from both sides. I think what Julie was trying to convey is that she personally would rather spend her time at home caring for her children, than working while only bringing in an insignificant wage after childcare and transport costs, etc. Sometimes it is a good idea to stay on the 'career ladder' if that's what one aspires to, but for others it is not worth the upheaval, for in their case they may only bring in an extra £20-£50 by working. I don't think she was trying to be offensive/rude to anyone, only expressing her personal views and personal circumstances. i happen to agree with her point of view. Last edited by Jessica O(28); 14-07-11 at 12:08. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Sarah C(1808) said: 14-07-11 12:45 life has its up and downs, that no one has control over. I started my family "poor" fel pg with DS age 19, lived with Oh parents for 2 years got council house, Oh worked full time, got a mortgage, had DD, moved house, OH started own company, sold house due to struggling finances, rented for few years, both working ft, Oh had to shut business due to no work, i got made redundant 2 months after (week before xmas), got made homeless, several months here and there, got offered council place again...... and back where we started. Life has thrown us some ****, but my kids have NEVER gone with out stuff they NEED. We maynot be loaded and dont have the latest 42" plasma on the wall or kids have xboxes and laptops and £100 phones etc, but they do have a home, food, clothes, and most of all.. the biggest anount of LOVE we can give them.... As that one thing you cant buy them!!! People nowadays worry too much about weather a child is cared for in the right way, some people think because they dont have money to buy gadgets and that, that the family are skint. I could go out tomorrow and order all of it, but im not giving my kids things they have no need for, i want my kids to grow up not being materialistic. I have a niece and nephew that are exactly that and it makes me cry that they would turn their nose up at £5 when my 2 would be saying thankyou for the following week. When you actually get my niece to ask what she truly want and the answer is time with her parents!!!! Says it all really So basically dont give a monkeys what others or the papers say, as long as you are giving your child what they need (not want) then your doing a great job. Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! DM (28) said: 14-07-11 13:09 its a bit like a poverty cleansing program some people are after !-glad to see tho not to many are If many of our grandparents hadnt had kids until they could afford them -many of us wouldnt be sat here! I was a single mum on benifits (and a teen one at that -and i gave him sweets )i was on income support until he was 10 .I now work as a family worker-my main role is supporting children who have been abused ,so im paying back both financialy and to society .And my lovely son is 14 ,kind ,intelligent and has great promise .I couldnt afford him -but im bloody glad he is here .And im glad i choose to have him x Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! Catherine H(441) said: 14-07-11 13:10 Angry I have to admit that I 'sort of' agree, and have actually said the words 'dont have children is you cant afford them' ~ before you start to have ago let...... My husband and I have a 9 yr old daughter, I also have a stepson who is now 17. My hubby has always paid for his son and his grabbing ex wife always wanted more and more. We had our daughter together and we would have LOVED another child but financially we could not afford to have another. We both worked (me before and after our daughter was born ~ we have paid so much in childcare that we could have purchased the nursery ) and still work but we decided that if we wanted to give our daughter and stepson a decent upbringing and not rely on benefits then we had to be responsible and make to difficult decision on not having another child. After making our decision it ENRAGES mewhen I see family with 3/4/5 kids in tow, smoking and drinking alcohol. The kids are dresses scruffily and are unkempt. I know of certain families that have had computers loaned from school....we have to BUY our own. They have school uninforms donated....we have to BUY our childrens. They smoke and drink...we CANT AFFORD to (dont want to smoke though ). They receive benefits for everything (they blatently spout out what they receive)...we receive child benefit and nominal tax credit. They get free furniture...we save up for our own. This is the reason that I still believe that these families cannot afford their kids and at the end of the day it is everyone else that is paying for them yet my husband and I took the responsible decision to not have another child. That said I am not unhappy at responsible parents that make a decision without having the attitude of I will have more kids because I can and will get all that I need from the government. I am only voicing my opinion but I get so irritiated about it ~ sorry if I have upset anyone Don't Have Children If You Are Poor!!!!! lydia p(10) said: 14-07-11 14:44 Quote Originally Posted by Catherine H(441) View Post I have to admit that I 'sort of' agree, and have actually said the words 'dont have children is you cant afford them' ~ before you start to have ago let...... My husband and I have a 9 yr old daughter, I also have a stepson who is now 17. My hubby has always paid for his son and his grabbing ex wife always wanted more and more. We had our daughter together and we would have LOVED another child but financially we could not afford to have another. We both worked (me before and after our daughter was born ~ we have paid so much in childcare that we could have purchased the nursery ) and still work but we decided that if we wanted to give our daughter and stepson a decent upbringing and not rely on benefits then we had to be responsible and make to difficult decision on not having another child. After making our decision it ENRAGES mewhen I see family with 3/4/5 kids in tow, smoking and drinking alcohol. The kids are dresses scruffily and are unkempt. I know of certain families that have had computers loaned from school....we have to BUY our own. They have school uninforms donated....we have to BUY our childrens. They smoke and drink...we CANT AFFORD to (dont want to smoke though ). They receive benefits for everything (they blatently spout out what they receive)...we receive child benefit and nominal tax credit. They get free furniture...we save up for our own. This is the reason that I still believe that these families cannot afford their kids and at the end of the day it is everyone else that is paying for them yet my husband and I took the responsible decision to not have another child. That said I am not unhappy at responsible parents that make a decision without having the attitude of I will have more kids because I can and will get all that I need from the government. I am only voicing my opinion but I get so irritiated about it ~ sorry if I have upset anyone I do agree to a point on this. I don't believe it is fair for the taxpayer to have to pay for someone elses choices. i.e. having loads of kids and can't afford to look after themselves let alone the kids. Dont get me wrong we could easily be in need of benefits but it shouldn't be used as a lifestyle Dianne P(12)'s Avatar Dianne P(12) said: 15-07-11 09:17 I am a foster carer to newborns and have looked after about 30 babies .... the majority of those babies came to me because they were being neglected/abused. The parents (usually the mother as dad is nowhere to be seen) are given every chance to improve or get over their problems but the baby ends up by being adopted..... the baby I have now is no 5 to one mother and 6 years ago I had his sister when she was born - so that mother has not improved over the years). My point is that these are the ones who shouldn't have babies as they won't look after them - not even a £1 toy from the pound shop at Christmas or Birthdays. They contribute nothing to their child's upkeep - not even chocolate buttons at contact or something , they get bus fares to enable them to go to contact (which they can't be bothered to do and it fizzles out) and that child has cost the government thousands by the time it is adopted. Why have the child if they behave like this?? These are the ones who shouldn't have babies! I am NOT saying all babies in foster care are in this situation - far from it, I am just saying this is the majority of babies I have had.