#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ
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We all know how we feel about s8, but hearing arya say @ Jon "not my half brother, not my bastard brother. My brother." Kills me everytime
but you see, friend — that’s exactly what s08 has done to us. it’s set the bar so low that anything will look good when all we expect is a vast desert of nothingness — even things that ARE supposed to be like that. to the point where we’re given 1 (one) scene where Jon and Arya love each other more than anything/anybody else in the universe and we’re like omg how nice!!!!, as if this isn’t supposed to be the default state of affairs. as if, in nearly every single of their POV chapters, they do not reference the other and how much they miss the other and how they would give everything and bend every rule to be reunited again with the other. but i do see your point! it just bugs me beyond belief that we feel as though we should thank Mr. Dumb Writer 1 and Mr. Dumb Writer 2 for giving us the basics of who Jon Snow and Arya Stark are, as though they’re doing us all a big favor.
#anti GOT#「ᵃᶰᵒᶰʸᵐᵒᵘˢ」ᵗʰᵉ ᵍʳᵉʸ ʷᵃˡᵏᵉʳˢ#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ᵒᵒᶜ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵖᵉʳˢᵒᶰᵃˡˡʸ ᵒᶠᶠᵉᶰᵈᵉᵈ ᵇʸ ᴬᵍᵒᶰʸ ᵀᵃʳᵍᵃʳʸᵉᶰ#i do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me though nonnie! <3#you're always more than welcome to!
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Who are some really good people you'd recommend following? Either in the fandom or outside of it.
ahhhh too many to list, nonnie! i have the privilege of writing with so many absolutely amazing roleplayers, who are also the most beautiful people inside and out! so i am going to just list the few first ones coming to my mind, and i have no doubt i’ll miss a huge lot of them:
@arcusignis & @zcldrizes & @blodistridi & @kingwholost & @lcgendaris & @needlcd & @wolfqueennamedstark & @boltxnbastard & @satincrow & @valyrianflame & @crownedclaw & @tymptir & @deltiitnu & @tyrion & @tyrxshisword & @boltxnbastard & @twiicetheheart & @scldsouls & @dcllparted & @timeripe & @reekcd & @hrodohaide & @thesellsword & @wineinthewidow & @murroyilodel & @longmayshereignxcersei & @asgardianhammer & @trickstercaptain & @thecodekeeper & @hanjithenewcommander & @handofhonor & @starkmatriarch & @impiae & @mythxcbitch & @marblecarved & @justheirs & @takenwings & @matriarcarivera & @axgmented & @blackmage-lulu & @misplacedheroics & @withanarmy & @wolveshonor & @leechcd & @leeriverofwordsjordan & @feasgar & @fallesto & @estoires & @seesgood & @seesbright & @songtouch & @stcrmswithskin & @starfrckled & @archerbcy & @atonings & @faunabones & @butscrewmefirst & @brycecousland & @jaimelannisterthings & @nctbitten & @ashccra & @notlikegcds & @theeldestsun & @fifthbornforrester & @rhaegxr & @vaedar & @ofthewhitehands & @steel-winter-rose & @snarkofstark & @peaceinourrtime & @snowmcid & @fircandfury & @fiercerebekah & @kolhearted & @treesprung & @kingsleigh & @perfectiontm & @perzyr & @epheemere & @qeldliie & @exilekniight & @talltalkr
also, you can check my promo tag: CLICK
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hey! I'm kind of new to the GOT rp community and I was wondering if you could recommend some blogs? maybe some Starks and other Jons, some Daenerys and other big characters? thank you :D
hello friend, first of all --- welcome and we’re thrilled to have you!
for Jon, please go look at my wonderful twins --- @rebxrnbyfire & @northernhonor & @bastxrdofwinterfell & @lcrdcrow & @strengthanddevotion
Starklings: @needlcd & @lcgendaris & @wildncss & @wolfqueennamedstark & @songtouch & @auburnwolf & @snowmcid & @sanscreginc & @sansov & @northeir & @blodistridi & @boywarg & @withanarmy & @kingwholost
Dany: @zcldrizes & @valyrianflame & @targayrien & @lastxdragon
some other major characters: @tyrion & @crownedclaw & @goldenwitted & @tymptir & @wineinthewidow & @longmayshereignxcersei & @exilekniight & @naathborn & @perzyr & @talltalkr & @thesellsword & @reekcd & @kingsblccd & @thcbull & @ladyrcd & @bearchiild & @keepfcith
again --- i have no doubt i am not naming A TON of wonderful blogs and portrayals, so the best thing you can do is to keep an eye out for the promos that go fluttering around the dash :)
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Who is your fav? Is it edmund?
you are not too far, nonnie, because i do love him and i think by far he’s the most complex and layered character — and i was just commenting that he’s got a lot of potential to be an anti-hero, if the story went differently. and i also love Lucy with all my soul and i have officially adopted her.
but. at the end my heart ended up going to Peter, because a lot in him reminds me of Jon. especially when this young boy is just made commander out of nowhere and made to fight a war that isn’t even his technically. and how protective he is of his little siblings, and the way he reacts to Edmund going missing. and also he rides a unicorn to war, how extra do you have to be.
#「ᵃᶰᵒᶰʸᵐᵒᵘˢ」ᵗʰᵉ ᵍʳᵉʸ ʷᵃˡᵏᵉʳˢ#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ᵒᵒᶜ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵖᵉʳˢᵒᶰᵃˡˡʸ ᵒᶠᶠᵉᶰᵈᵉᵈ ᵇʸ ᴬᵍᵒᶰʸ ᵀᵃʳᵍᵃʳʸᵉᶰ
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Happy birthday to my sweet, glorious Fil the boy! So happy to have you in my life! And Satin will put ice in your mulled wine and extra lavender oil on your pillow!! ❤️❄️
so happy to have YOU in mine & my bastard’s life, my precious good beautiful amazing wonderful Elsie, someone so talented and so kind and so funny and so lovely and someone whom i am always the proudest of!!! thank you for this cute message and thank you for being yourself ❤︎❤︎❤︎
#nameday 2019#satincrow#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ʰᵃᵖᵖʸ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗʰᵉ ᴺᵒʳᵗʰ ʳᵉᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳˢ#「ᴱˡˢᶤᵉ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵇˡᵉˢˢ ᵗʰᵉ ᵇᶤˢᵉˣᵘᵃˡ ᵃʷᵃᵏᵉᶰᶤᶰᵍ ᵉᶰᵃᵇˡᵉʳ
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Do you have any HCs on Ghost/Jon’s bond? I’d love to hear them because I don’t think the show does it justice.
— @barkingsunlight —
hello friend, thank you for asking! unfortunately i will disappoint you, though, because i really don’t… for one simple reason — i use headcanons to fix/complement canon when i personally believe it is needed. in the case, while i completely agree the show does not deserve Ghost AT ALL, i think the books do a wonderful job at portraying his bond with Jon, which is why i never really needed to add much more. i will however point out some of my favorite moments:
during the royal visit to Winterfell, Jon snatching literally half a chicken from the squires’ and pages’ table to feed to Ghost instead because u guys don’t need this it’s for my puppy;
Jon making Ghost knock over Tyrion, which was such a dick move back in this boy’s bully days, yes, BUT IT WAS HILARIOUS SUE ME;
that one moment Sam is crying and Jon is flailing internally because he has -23 skills of comforting people and so Ghost goes and licks Sam’s face all over till he’s laughing;
Jon showing Longclaw’s pommel to Ghost and saying look it’s you;
Jon & Ghost finding that stash of dragonglass by the Fist of the First Men, this is literally the reason why we know that dragonglass can kill Others;
Jon refusing to leave Ghost behind after Orell’s attack, even if that meant making someone of the importance of Qhorin Halfhand wait for half a day;
every single warg in Mance’s camp being in awe of Ghost because DAMN THIS BABY CROW HERE HAS SUCH A MAJESTIC BEAUTIFUL POWERFUL COMPANION WOW;
Jon using Ghost as a last mean to keep his own little eager hands from Ygritte and Ghost just probably like kiss her u fool;
Jon asking Ghost if the direwolves have names for the stars;
JON SAYING GOODBYE TO GHOST BECAUSE HE CANNOT CLIMB THE WALL AND MAYBE THEY WILL NEVER REUNITE AGAIN;
JON AND GHOST REUNITING AGAIN THE NIGHT JON IS ELECTED LORD COMMANDER;
Jon canonically has a little rug for Ghost to sleep on by the hearth in the old armory;
Ghost already as a hugeass direwolf the size of a pony rolling around the piles of fresh snow like a pup while Jon watches in awe;
Jon seething @ Borroq’s boar because don’t u dare come near my boy i’ll fite u myself;
Jon whispering Ghost’s name seconds before he dies.
also, to close: i personally write Jon as keeping his warging abilities even in my show only threads and plots.
#barkingsunlight#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ʰᵉᵃᵈᶜᵃᶰᵒᶰ」ᶰᵒ ˢᵗᵃʳᵏ; ᵇᵘᵗ ʰᵉ ᶜᵒᵘˡᵈ ᵈᶤᵉ ˡᶤᵏᵉ ᵒᶰᵉ#「ʲᵒᶰˑᵍʰᵒˢᵗ」ʰᶤˢ ʷᵃʳᵐᵗʰ ᵃˢ ᶜᵒᵐᶠᵒʳᵗᶤᶰᵍ ᵃˢ ᵈᵃʸᵇʳᵉᵃᵏ
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meta on exactly what jon would change in his reformation of the night's watch in spring verse, either in our own canon or outside of it?
— @zcldrizes —
okay so! this is a big thing for me and i have a lot of emotions about it, so let me try to be as concise and clear as possible. also, friendly reminder that everything in this meta regards show canon only, for the obvious motive that none of this happens in the books (at least so far). so:
at this point, it is no secret to anyone that my favorite Jon = lord commander Jon? and parts of s07 and the entire s08 have only confirmed it to me, that no offense but the North does not deserve my boy and i am 100% with Tormund when he states that Jon belongs in the REAL North. therefore, and this isn’t even a new thing because i have been pleading for this since s07, my endgame outcome for every show-based verse where Jon does not end up with Dany (for one motive or the other) is that he wants nothing to do with crowns or kings or queens or thrones, and he does return to the Night’s Watch.
now…
one fact, the Wall was shattered at Eastwatch — however, the way i see it, this was a circumscribed occurrence, aka a bit of it was destroyed but the entire rest of the Wall still stands. i don’t believe it operates in a chain-reaction logic, in that one bit of the Wall is destroyed and the rest promptly follows — as far as we know, we would need the Horn of Joramun for this. therefore, there is still a lot of Wall left, so to speak. however, another fact is that the Night’s Watch is reduced to… possibly some 100-200 men in total, at this point, and assuming everyone at Castle Black and/or at the Shadow Tower was also not turned into wights. on the other hand, what good will the Watch be now that everything is over and peace has returned?
consider:
the Wall was originally created, according to legend, by Bran the Builder with the help of the Children of the Forest and giants, with the objective to keep the Others away — only later it eventually became a mean of segregation towards the free folk. and, whereas the Long Night is now over, so it was 800 years ago and still it happened again in the series’ present time. thus…
in the scenarios/verses i mentioned in that paragraph up there, my canon is that Jon returns to Castle Black with the intention to properly restore the Night’s Watch to its former honor and importance, and as a mean to ensure that what has happened will never again be forgotten — and, should the Others raise anew in a distant future, they will not be allowed to create as much chaos. for this, he will promote an official and formal alliance between the black brothers and the free folk, to reiterate the idea that human beings must stick together no matter what side of the Wall they’re born at. this will be Jon’s purpose in life.
now, what will change?
the objective for short-term is to rebuild Castle Black and Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, then to restore all the abandoned castles and have them manned. also, to repopulate the Gift and the New Gift, so that the Watch will have its own food and other resources, as to not be so entirely dependent on donations from the rest of the realm (……or ridiculously large loans from the Iron Bank, but this is a tale for book!canon). eventually, and come spring, a long-term objective will be to expand into the haunted forest and possibly all the way over to the Fist of the First Men — so that the Fist will become the first and foremost fortress to keep an eye on the lands of always-winter, just in case something suspicious starts brewing again. also eventually, there will be a line of beacons linking the Fist with Castle Black, similar to the concept we see in The Lord of the Rings, to act as communication with Castle Black should there be a need to immediately prepare the defenses.
besides this, a note:
in my verses where Jon does end up marrying the queen (usually Dany, but it can also be Cersei or literally anyone i plot with), i have always headcanoned that Jon does not take the title of king — rather, of consort. to this i now add that Jon is given the title of lord commander of the Night’s Watch once more, because he will be caring for and cooperating with his men even from a distance. in most of these verses, Jon is Rhaegal’s rider and therefore he can travel north much faster than by any other common means — which eases this process by a great deal.
finally, and related to this last notion:
considering, in some verses, Jon will be married to the queen, he will suggest a change to the Night’s Watch’s vows — because, if he is not forsaking love and a wife and children himself, he would never demand his men do it. he will propose a democratic solution: once everything is set in motion and the black brothers’ number grows, a voting will happen and the brothers themselves will decide if they wish to keep the tradition of the vows or not. to be clear — one will still sear a vow to the gods they keep, to become the shield that guards the realms of men (to take no part in the politics of the realm, etc), but they will not be forced to swear vows of celibacy anymore, should the voting decide so. the only exception to this will be the vows of the maesters, because this is a matter of the Citadel and Jon would not want to claim responsibility over it.
re: the free folk, and according to what already happens in A Dance with Dragons, they will not be demanded to bend the knee to no one, nor to swear the vows — provided they vow to obey whoever will be their superior;
once everything is more settled and the voting is done, women and girls of age will be allowed to take the black, should they want to;
no one will ever be forced to take the black again, like it used to happen to criminals — you will join out of your own free choice, and the lords of each region will deal with their troubles rather than to send persons to the Wall like it is the realm’s dumpster and as a cheap way to get rid of their own responsibility.
#long post#zcldrizes#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ᵐᵉᵗᵃ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗʰᵉ ᶜʳᵒʷ ᶤˢ ᵗʰᵉ ʳᵃᵛᵉᶰ'ˢ ᵖᵒᵒʳ ᶜᵒᵘˢᶤᶰ#thank you i am now healed#i will possibly elaborate this more in future too#should i have more ideas!
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It's your birthday!!!! Thank you for being born, and thank you for being you! It was a birth well birthed when you came into this world; you make it brighter and happier and /better/.
icb we had to pause our feels on the other blog for this RIGHT WHEN WE WERE DEEP INTO THE INDOCTRINATION KNOWLEDGE AND THE PAIN THAT IT WILL BRING US. it’s gonna be resumed in a moment because little sisters are the thing i take more seriously in my life. also excuse you, thank YOU for being amazing and lovely and wonderful and someone i love & cherish so goddamn much ❤︎❤︎❤︎
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wishing the happiest of birthdays to my otter half and husband and best friend and insert as many titles as dany has because that's the amount of love and adoration i have for you. i love you to the moon and back, and i'm honestly tapped out from the post i just finished writing, but hopefully that conveys better than this ask does. give neo an enormous amount of cuddles because i can't be there to give them to you instead. ❤︎
bold of you to assume i am capable of anything coherent right now, so i am simply going to hug Neo a lot and hope it gets there vicariously, and also blow a kiss at the skies in the general direction of Australia — for how blessed i am to have in my life someone so beautiful, so wonderful, so amazing ❤︎❤︎❤︎
#nameday 2019#zcldrizes#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ʰᵃᵖᵖʸ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗʰᵉ ᴺᵒʳᵗʰ ʳᵉᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳˢ#「ᴬʳᵗᶤᵉ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗᵒ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵘᶰ ᵃᶰᵈ ˢᵗᵃʳˢ; ᵃᶰᵈ ᵇᵃᶜᵏ
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Did you hear your sister Sansa married Alliser Thorne?
^^^the only reaction possible.
@wolfqueennamedstark & @faunabones EXPLAIN
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#Positivity Protocol! 😄💙☀️ Send this to ten muns who you think portray their muses so damn well and are just generally awesome!
— @dcllparted —
YOU SWEET GOOD PRECIOUS AMAZING GEM???? thank you so much for taking the time to send me this cute little thing, and please always remember how mutual this sentiment is. i absolutely adore Violet and all the heaps of trash and chaos we write together, and i can’t wait to have more free time to be here to properly return to our thread! meanwhile, know that you are a sweetheart and i love you
@argivebeauty & @dissolvedshadows & @butscrewmefirst & @assemblcd & @zaldrczes & @nicholas-wolfwood & @blckwiidcw & @starlyht & @selfishisuppose & @seesgood
these cuties here are amazing and do such a brilliant, magnificent job with their writing and their portrayal, and i hope they know how cherished & appreciated they are and that they are having a great day❤
#dcllparted#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ʰᵃᵖᵖʸ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗʰᵉ ᴺᵒʳᵗʰ ʳᵉᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳˢ#「ᵖᵒˢᶤᵗᶤᵛᶤᵗʸ」ᵗʰᵉ ˢʰᶤᵉˡᵈ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᵍᵘᵃʳᵈˢ ᵗʰᵉ ʳᵉᵃˡᵐˢ ᵒᶠ ᵐᵉᶰ
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#Positivity Protocol! 😄💙☀️ Send this to ten muns who you think portray their muses so damn well and are just generally awesome!
— @nxrthborn —
holds your precious face to smooch it all over for being such a lovely, good, kind, beautiful, amazing, wonderful little bean who just made me smile so much with this cute thing! and also:
@seaworthed & @rhaegail & @forsakingonevow & @unsulliied & @hesquired & @cthlicdevil & @serbriennecftarth & @clevrest & @targayrien & @thesellsword
these equally amazing gems who fill my dash with their beautiful writing and portrayal and general amazingness, and here’s to them having a great day & great rest of weekend!❤
#nxrthborn#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ʰᵃᵖᵖʸ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵗʰᵉ ᴺᵒʳᵗʰ ʳᵉᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳˢ#「ᵖᵒˢᶤᵗᶤᵛᶤᵗʸ」ᵗʰᵉ ˢʰᶤᵉˡᵈ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᵍᵘᵃʳᵈˢ ᵗʰᵉ ʳᵉᵃˡᵐˢ ᵒᶠ ᵐᵉᶰ
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I apologize in this seems abrasive, I just noticed how vehemently you're against the show canon. I don't blame you one bit. But wouldn't Dany being Nissa Nissa just be another way of making her a plot device for a man? Just in a more socially acceptable way than D&D did? It has the same outcome and it's still her dying by the hands of the man she loves.
thank you for your question, friend! before i answer, let me make a disclaimer: 1) i am writing this as someone who loves Jon Snow, and therefore someone who’s biased in his favor, and 2) i am writing this as a man talking about a man. so, while i like to believe i was raised well and i can do a rational and mostly objective analysis, i am still grounded in my own experiences and my own perspectives. and nothing of what i’ll say is “the truth” or “what’s right” — simply, my own personal opinion.
with this said… i have to start by saying that we can look at this, as we can look at most things in life, from two perspectives: we look only at the outcome, or we look at the process and at everything that led to a certain outcome. and i think this is a case where this distinction is essencial. because if you look at the outcome only — yes, the end result is exactly the same; Dany dies at the hand of Jon, a woman dies at the hand of a man. but this would be like me looking at the season finale and thinking: well, Jon got exactly the endgame i always wanted for him, so i have nothing to complain about — i can’t do this. i can’t ignore everything that brought him to this outcome, i.e., the process. i can’t ignore that his essence as George’s character was completely destroyed to lead to this apparently perfect outcome.
so, if we look at Dany dying in the show, what do we see? i, at least, see a narrative written for the sole purpose of stating: this woman is mad, she needs to be removed and we’ll make her be removed by the hand of the man she loves for bonus shock points. this is literally all i see. i know some people defend there was already signs of Dany going mad, how for example the throne room covered in ash like it happened in her vision in the House of the Undying in s02. and to this i ask two questions: 1) as someone who knows what D&D have been doing to this series, do you guys seriously believe they, back in like 2012 or whenever s02 happened, had the capacity to plan this far ahead for the sake of a plot that has continuity?; 2) as someone who is a researcher and a science nerd — if we look at data in retrospective, we can make this data give us literally any outcome we want, provided we apply the suitable statistical analysis. in this case, if we look back through the seasons, yes, we can definitely find arguments that Dany was going mad, if we want. BUT. we can also look back through the seasons and find arguments that Dany was someone with a good heart, who made mistakes and bad decisions but who wanted to be a kind and just ruler for her people. so, whatever we extract from this series in retrospective is whatever we want to find. this much is on us, not on D&D’s capacity to build a continuous and coherent plot because this much we all agree is non-existent.
now, if we look at the idea of Jon being Azor Ahai reborn, and Dany being Nissa Nissa reborn… first of all, this is as much based on personal headcanons as the previous point is built on what the show gives us. i cannot judge this idea based on facts, because this never happened in the show neither in the books — everything i put together for this idea is based on my own creativity, like for example in the background i wrote for my mad king verse, or on everything i have discussed with @zcldrizes. in the first case, my verse, it is actually interesting you brought up this question because i have wondered about it myself. am i doing this in a sensible way? am i not using Dany (and everyone else included in that background) just for my own purpose? and, in a way, i am — i admit that i am, because my outcome was that Jon is crowned and slowly loses himself, and to reach this outcome i needed to build a background that supports it in a logical way. i dislike the idea that being Targaryen = inexorably being mad, therefore i tried to put together a storyline where trauma and grief bring him to this — for which i needed vital characters to die, as they are the ones he loves the most. this is why i tried to give them a purpose in that verse, and not just state that they died because they had to, so to speak. this is also why that verse is very flexible and can accommodate many different possibilities, because i wanted everyone who’s possibly interested in writing that idea with me to be able to fit their muse in, and not just be excluded because “sorry but your muse needs to die so that Jon can go mad”. which, in turn, this is why this verse in particular only works with extensive plotting with my roleplay partners.
and now let me quickly apologize, because i know i am digressing a lot! but i need all this foundation to ultimately answer your question with the depth it requires, so please bear with me. because this is bringing me close to the core of the question — if Dany is Nissa Nissa, doesn’t this make her a plot device for Jon? for this, i have to state my perspective on what a plot device is: a character whose only (or limited) purpose in a narrative is to provoke something else of note for another character. three blatant examples when it comes to Jon: Rickon Stark, whose only purpose to be brought back was to be killed in front of Jon, for the sake of triggering Jon into that mad rage that would have resulted in losing the battle against Ramsay if it wasn’t for Sansa’s intervention; Benjen Stark, whose only purpose to be brought back was to provide a semi-rational justification for Jon to be able to return to Eastwatch; Grey Worm, who was made to attack the unarmed Golden Company after they yielded just for the sake of making Agony Targaryen look like this honorable man who’d never put up with this. and now a blatant example when it comes to Daenerys: Missandei, who had to be beheaded whilst back in chains for the sake of being the ultimate trigger for Dany going mad. arguably, Missandei and Grey Worm had a much broader purpose than Benjen and Rickon, but the logic is the same. all of them, in the end, became plot devices that had their own story and identity erased for the sake of fueling another “superior” character.
and this is why i personally don’t see Dany = Nissa Nissa as being at the same level, or as a plot device. a plot turning point? yes, definitely. a plot device, no, because i personally don’t think this erases her story and identity and purpose. again, let me reiterate that this is based on what Artie and i have plotted — i cannot talk for what might have happened in the show, or what may happen in the books — because it will depend on the process they follow to lead to this potential outcome. Artie and i have a very long, very complex plot when it comes to shipping Jon and Dany. we consider every single detail, and we’re always mindful of not erasing anything from the other’s muse. and, in our case, Dany would be a sacrifice, yes, but never a plot device. she would give her life for the purpose of forging the only weapon able to destroy the Night King and ending the Long Night — NEVER for the purpose of glorifying Jon and make him emerge from this tale as the hero who saved us all. if anything, i think no one will disagree if i say that staying alive after killing your lover by your own hand is far from being a happier ending when compared to said lover who died. it is a sacrifice for Dany, who loses her life, and it is a sacrifice for Jon, who stays alive but loses literally everything else that gave meaning to his life. and this is why i love the prophecy/legend of Lightbringer, actually, because it is based on a meaningful tragedy. it’s mutual sacrifice, it’s having a bond so strong that it is the catalyst to save this world.
just to conclude now, if you ask me: are more female characters, compared to male characters, used as plot devices? i have no doubt of this. are more female characters used with the single purpose of fueling male characters’ pain? i have no doubt of this. are more female characters erased and belittled for the sake of glorifying male characters and put them under a positive light? i have no doubt of this. trust me, nonnie, no one in this world hates Agony Targaryen more than i do. no one in this world hates more the way in which my favorite character was portrayed as someone who’s only good and honorable when a character like Daenerys has to be ruined and removed. and i will say this to my dying breath: this thing is NOT Jon Snow and it makes me genuinely sad that people may for even a second believe this thing is anything resembling Jon Snow. i am the first one being here to vehemently (to use your word) criticize all of this, which is exactly why i have gone majorly show divergent — even during s07 i was already stating i would never acknowledge the annulment, exactly because i would never want Elia Martell to be a plot device in this regard. and please note: i’m not saying any of this to make myself look good — look at me i’m such a great guy i respect women! — i respect women, and female characters, because they DESERVE to be respected. and everything i have ditched from show!canon, i did because these amazing characters deserve so much better, and my amazing roleplay buddies who write these amazing characters deserve so much better, AND Jon Snow, my favorite character whom i love dearly, deserves so much better than to be turned into D&D’s sad puppet.
i really hope i answered your question, friend? tl;dr — i am vehemently against Agony killing Dany in the show the way it was done, because it reduces Daenerys to a plot device and reduces Jon to someone who can only have merit if other characters become plot devices in his favor. on the other hand, in the scenario where Jon is Azor Ahai reborn and Dany is Nissa Nissa reborn, i personally see it at a completely different level, even if the outcome is technically the same — because it is a scenario highly plotted and developed by myself and Artie, and because exactly we are always very mindful to never do this to these characters whom we both love. obviously she loves Dany more and understands her better, and i love Jon more and i understand him better, but this is why we team up to salvage this ship we love and that was utterly ruined by the show. and this is why the only context where we accept Jon killing Daenerys is for the ultimate purpose of tempering Lightbringer — where Dany chooses her fate, and Jon endures the consequences of his actions.
BONUS POINTS:
so, because we are a partnership, i shared this ask and my own response with Artie — to get her opinion as someone who writes Daenerys and understands her better than i do, as i mentioned above, and also to have her perspective as a woman. the next points, therefore, are credited to @zcldrizes to complement my own:
Firstly, on being a plot device. I think the important thing about this is that we as the viewers are wired to look through the lense of Dany to see her as a hero, with an ultimate purpose. We have the entirety of her journey, with a backstory about her struggle for home, the fact she has suffered hardship after hardship. In my opinion, she was born “meant for something more” - and the very existence of her dragons, the fact she’s somewhat fire insensitive, all proves that she is not quite normal, compared to everyone around her. Her own journey and arc have been not just about finding home, but restoring and living up to her family’s name, and making a difference in the world through whatever ways she chooses, whether that be liberation, or saving innocent people. Her death in Season 8 served no purpose for her arc, other than to neatly line up what they needed for Jon’s storyline. Her madness in Season 8 served no purpose, other than allowing a mostly male council to choose their new male overlord, after condemning her as mad when overrun with grief. But if she was Nissa Nissa, and sacrificed her life not for Jon’s manpain, but to save the entire world, and in a way that leaves her the true hero of the story, then I think that means she’s not just a plot device. She’s a hero. And no, I don’t think she’s just driving that plot; I think the point is she made a difference to the world.
Secondly, and the more important part of this - show canon removes her female autonomy, assuming she’s not in a rational state of mind, and then villainises her for emotion and grief. For it then to have her killed in a moment where she so very clearly places her trust in the man kissing her, a man she clearly loves, removes all autonomy because she didn’t consent to what was coming, and didn’t know it would happen. All of her ability to predict that behaviour is gone, which means she had no knowledge of her death, and thus, the scene occurs in a way that leaves those rules particularly unbalanced. A Nissa Nissa scenario is something she consents to; something she wants because it’s right, and it’ll save the world, and this is the most important thing. Daenerys gets to choose to die saving the world she wanted to build.
Finally, on the outcome and whether or not this is just to be more feminist friendly and socially acceptable. The first thing to note is that the outcome isn’t the same. In one, she dies after going mad because her male counterpart has deemed her unsafe to live with how insane she is. In the other, she dies to save the world - and importantly, consents to doing so. And depending on the way the rest of the thread runs, I suspect it would be very well known what she gave up in order to keep the people of the Seven Kingdoms safe. So rather than this being to get the traction of anyone saying this isn’t a sexist ending, consider: yes, it’s a socially acceptable ending, but only because it acknowledges the strength of women in whatever they do to contribute to the world. Daenerys deserved better than to die as a rabid dog for the slaughter; but in saying that, an extraordinary woman deserved an extraordinary death, and what better way than dying saving the world?
Finally, feminism celebrates choice in all forms - Dany would have chosen to die as Nissa Nissa, and if that empowered her, we shouldn’t condemn that.
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How do you deal with seeing duplicates and others you rp with, rping with other people who rp the same character that you do?
honestly, i do love duplicates — because the gods know i always have so much to say about Jon, and to talk about him with people who love him like i do is always so good! though, at the same time, i do also understand duplicate anxiety, because we are humans and we are social beings, and therefore we have this tendency to go and compare ourselves with others. and there is nothing wrong with this! it doesn’t make us weak, it doesn’t make us anything close to bad or wrong. i have my own moments of insecurity, especially because i write such a popular muse with such a big impact on both show and books, and therefore there are always at least 5-6 other active roleplayers of Jon — i have my moments of doubting my writing and portrayal, of wondering if i am giving Jon the justice he deserves. and, just as much, i also have my moments of wondering if maybe my rp partners have a preference for another Jon and if eventually they will rather write with that person and not with me, or even if i am letting them down entirely.
so, when it comes to this… i think the “secret” is to look at tumblr the way you look at real life. do you expect EVERYBODY in real life to like you and prefer you? do you expect to walk into a café and all 50 persons in there will become your good friends? no, right? this is not realistic — some people will like us, some won’t, some will like us but still prefer somebody else. and i think it’s essential to realize this and accept this, both irl and here. there is something that i always say: focus your time and energy on what makes you happy, not on what makes you upset or angry. maybe you won’t be best friends with 400 people and 400 people won’t prefer you and your version of your muse — but, hey, focus on the 20 that love you then! or the 10, or even if it is just one single person — if somebody holds you in such high esteem, don’t belittle them just because somebody else doesn’t. i know this is easier said than done and i know it sucks, when you really really want to interact with a person but they don’t have the same enthusiasm, for whatever reason — but this happens and this will happen, and it is on us to accept it and to move on. this does not determine our worth as a roleplayer and much less as a person. and if there is one thing life has taught me, and that i actually see reflected here on tumblr, it is that you are always worth more than you believe and you will always find someone who treats you the same way you treat them. so never sell yourself short, and please never belittle yourself in order to be accepted — i promise there are wonderful persons out there waiting to meet you, sometimes it just takes a bit longer to find your safe haven.
…i’m not sure if i have answered your question, nonnie, and i do apologize because it’s so easy for me to digress and just ramble. but in a nutshell: maybe give your duplicates a try if you haven’t yet, this could be a chance to make very good friends with similar interests — or, if they truly raise your anxiety and make you uncomfortable, use the block and blacklist functions. there is no shame in this, we are not all the same and we should prioritize our own well-being as long as we’re not harming anybody else. and when it comes to your mutuals or friends writing with duplicates of your muse — please remember that you are unique and you portray your muse in a way nobody else can — they write with you because they appreciate YOU. you don’t have to be perfect and you don’t have to be better than anybody, and i’m sure this is never expected of you. the friends who love you will stay with you even if 600 duplicates appear, and the others who move along… well, it’s inevitable sometimes and, again, i know this can be very hurtful. some people are not compatible at all, some people don’t get invested as much as others. it’s normal, it’s life. you cannot choose whether or not this will happen, but you can choose how to respond to it and you have the power in you to find your happy place.
#「ᵃᶰᵒᶰʸᵐᵒᵘˢ」ᵗʰᵉ ᵍʳᵉʸ ʷᵃˡᵏᵉʳˢ#「ᵖᵃʳᶜʰᵐᵉᶰᵗˢ」ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᶤᶰᵍˢ; ᵈᵃʳᵏ ʷᵒʳᵈˢ#「ᵒᵒᶜ ᵗᵃᵍ」ᵖᵉʳˢᵒᶰᵃˡˡʸ ᵒᶠᶠᵉᶰᵈᵉᵈ ᵇʸ ᴬᵍᵒᶰʸ ᵀᵃʳᵍᵃʳʸᵉᶰ
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In relation to your reblog about the NK dying and it meaning nothing in the end: Just some random thought, though you're not at all obliged to agree or anything! Personally, I got really upset that it seemed like it was over like nothing. Then I thought about it, it says a lot that human beings are the bigger threat. If that makes sense? Their greed, their desire, their way to flip from horrible to decent and back again. Humans are so much scarier. And sadly, the ugly throne embodies that.
this is a beautiful view, nonnie, thank you for sharing AND all the more for trying to cheer me up with it ❤ i do agree actually! humans have done far worse things in this series, show and book wise. i just feel so bummed with how “easily” it was ended because… one, i was honestly very disappointed that Lightbringer was completely forgotten — it is one of my favorite prophecies, despite of who is the prince that was promised. and it’s not even the case of it being a book!canon only thing, because Stannis had it. Mel talked of it, Mel talked of the prince — even at the start of s07. and suddenly Lightbringer doesn’t matter for anything at all. not to mention, it makes no sense that the Night King survived Drogon’s flame but died from Valyrian steel. the Others are weak to three things: Valyrian steel, fire, dragonglass — so either the Night King dies from all three, or from none and requires a special weapon. AND. even if the show claims that dagger is Lightbringer in the end, it was never tempered. again, i sigh that they bypassed such a beautiful prophecy.
my main reason to be bummed, though… is what i ranted about in the tags. Jon spent 3 seasons begging for people to forget their personal interests and to unite, he got SO much backlash from this even from his own lords and family — and the feeling i have, now, is that it’s as though that never mattered. why did they even go beyond the Wall then? why did Jon die in that frozen lake for the sake of bringing a wight to King’s Landing? Jon did SO MUCH, and he is the reason that every person who is at Winterfell for this battle is there — directly or indirectly, and now it feels as though everything he went through meant nothing. i was already sad during episode 1, at the treatment he got from the northern lords, and now it’s gone back to the same. zero appreciation for this boy/man who carries the world on his back.
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Hi could you please be sure to tag your nsfw? Thanks!
i do tag it, friend — “graphic” and “graphic cw” — this blog has been running on the queue for the most part, but i just double-checked my posts in the past three days to confirm that i didn’t accidentally forget to tag anything. when in doubt, you can always check my Rules page [click], as i have my tagging system referenced there :)
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