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      I explained my thoughts this morning on how taking away the need to protect her children’s well being, and the aspects of her character and house surrounding the Iron Throne. Cersei’s outlook on Daenerys and how at the base of it all, it actually reflects the beginning core feelings involving that of Tyrion. So I want to put it in a post, for reasons. (tagging @northernhonor , @kingslaying , & @wcndcrs for reasons)

Cersei has an illogical way of dealing with her grief we all know this. We’ve seen her in how she treats Tyrion, in hows she faces the world after Joffrey and Tywin’s death. How she shuts down after losing Myrcella and Tommen.She shuts down, she doesn’t deal with it, she runs from itYou know, the ever effective tactic she’s learned from watching tywin do his shit The whole ‘You don’t feel things you take them out on poor Tyrion when you’re angry over Joanna’s death ‘ It is only natural to take it out on him, even when it was proven that Tyrion did not kill Joffrey- (which mind you, pulled her feet out from under her. She didn’t know how to handle because there is no one to hate for that, no longer an enemy to go after, nothing to focus her sights on to run from the grief that rips apart her heart on a daily basis) that she turns around and goes “you may not have killed Joffrey but you killed Tommen, you killed Myrcella. Nobody would have TOUCHED them if father were here. Nobody would have DARED!” So taking away the throne- taking it all away. The power the war, Cersei’s ambition, her need to protect her children and go back. Way back. Jaime is just gonna go into the Kingsguard, Cersei has been hanging out in KL with her father, and see remember. Rhaella and Joanna Lannister were best friends at one point in time. I have zero doubt there was a short time the twins were playing at her feet, that once Rhaella was holding tiny Cersei in her arms and grinning and wished so BAD that she had a daughter of her own, therefore inspiring her want for a little girl because her best friend was sooo happy with this little cub. And as Cersei got older and was basically living in KL for some time, I have zero to little doubt that she spent some time with Rhaella herself. And heard stories of her mother and their time as friends, and then one day when she is older, KL is sieged and she hears of the deaths, and is struck in shock when Elia and her children’s fate have been revealed. And then she hears of Rhaella.; And this is what renews her denied grief because losing Rhaella is like losing Joanna all over again.  When someone is lacking a parental figure they unconsciously seek it out in someone else, and I’m assuming Cersei found hers in Genna and Rhaella. And it’s so similar to her own mother’s death, Rhaella dies giving birth to Dany the very same way Joanna died giving birth to Tyrion. So that is a base laying out later scorn for this young woman, and why it was so easy to simply support Robert killing her despite her conflicted feelings toward Elia and her children.

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META ON BEING CHALLENGED TO ORDER AND JAIME’S LEAVING I trust in Lena Headey’s acting, not in D&D’s writing. Thus the only reason I am giving this any thought. And then special shoutout to @cerseilionesslannister for helping me with the Cersei and Jaime scene and helping me regain perspective on Cersei’s mental state of this and how this should be view rather than a YAY! BREAK UP TIME. And how logic really is concerning this subject. AND ALSO META-ING WITH ME IN OUR TEXT MESSAGES. Bless your heart okay. Scarlett. This is as much your meta as it is mine. Seriously.

         When Cersei was challenged by both brothers to kill them there were two different things that happened. One of which affected the other. After Tyrion had done it, it became a matter of broken pride. Once a challenge was issued by Jaime, it was tinged with a sense of betrayal by the one who had promised her always that he would be there for her. First I want to take apart the Tyrion scene, take apart the Jaime scene, and what would drive Cersei to do the things that she does. Again, I am not condoning D&D but more so relying on my faith in Lena Headey.

      First and foremost I want to point out how Cersei is always, at this point , throwing herself into the tactics to keep the iron throne. She was once a mother of all three, and now they are all gone. Every thing that she is doing is an extra way for her to push her grief away for them. Unhealthy coping mechanisms aside this makes her angrier, more colder, and taking that final step to be like the man she has always wanted to be like. (see. Tywin Lannister.)  And Cersei never talks about her children because it’s too painful so when that Tyrion scene came up I literally teared up. Anywho-

      TYRION:

       It’s so easy to dismiss this relationship as evil sister and pour innocent man. But we all know that this relationship is so much more complicated than that when you start digging into the roots. And we find that Cersei’s reasoning isn’t all that horrible, we discover the WANT to love him like a little brother. Then we discover that Tyrion hasn’t exactly been acting like a sweet little lamb. Cersei has her flaws, I’ve always state this, but so does Tyrion. We all know this. OKAY. SO. Since I am keeping this ONE scene without changing anything (aside for a tiny piece of dialogue at the end about the wrath)

       So I want to talk about the interesting part for me; so HERE is the timestamp. Look closely at Cersei’s expression while Tyrion challenges her to finally kill him. And don’t misunderstand the silence, she is deeply considering just ending his life right then and there. And really? What’s to stop her? Cersei has LITERALLY been expressing her need to see him die since the very day he was born? While it was impulsive grief in the beginning it quickly formed into a living form of paranoia due to the prophecy. He had killed her mother, and father, and she had just laid Myrcella and Tommen’s death at his feet. She wants nothing MORE than to kill him right then and there. Her eyes flick to him- considering, reveling, and hungry. And then her eyes flick up to Ser Gregor and there is a moment where she just thinks to herself; how easy it would be just to smash his little head. And the urge takes over and oh how she wants to see it down. She had needed this done all this time, all these years, and she thinks of all of his mockery and his cruel japes. And moves to give that one order she has dreamed to speak.

       Only she doesn’t.

      And that makes her angry. She twitches, almost smiles, and breathes in. The URGE is THERE but she can’t bring herself to do it. After all of this time and all of these years of dreaming of killing him, a willing sacrifice she would make to void out the prophecy. And she can’t bring herself to do it. Instead the order dies on her tongue and she throws herself back, and quickly looks away. Now why is that? Why didn’t she kill him after promising him every day of his life that she would do it the first chance she had? Why is that she looks away and chooses to let him go? Even while they go RIGHT back to disagreeing when she refuses to drink? These are interesting points in all honesty and it was something that I had actually noticed in my reading of A Clash of Kings, it’s something I noticed in every scene that Cersei and Tyrion have together in the show.

      Cersei wants to love him like a genuine little brother. The NEED to care for him is there, the want to love him like family has never went away. He killed her mother, her father, and is blamed for her youngest children’s deaths. But- he DID love them, and that is one thing that she cannot deny him. We notice that when he mentions them again her fight is gone. She starts to say- “i will not hear-’ lowly but he cuts her off and says  “I don’t care I LOVED them. You know I did. You know it in your heart if there is anything left of it.” and it doesn’t matter how mean she got after- it as the very fact that she LET him cut her off and LET him finish speaking. And then after their usual style of conversation has begun, when all of the anger and the tension and the words had gotten out. Their tone had faded back into the tone that it held back when Tyrion was the Hand of the King under Joffrey, and that was a need to love your youngest/eldest sibling sitting across from you.

       JAIME:

     Let’s flash back for a moment to the moment that Cersei announced to Jaime that she was pregnant. She told him, never betray me again right here. Let’s consider for a moment what just happened. Jaime had met with Tyrion, a man who is openly conspiring to have them all thrown from power without consulting her first. 

      Alright now let’s consider the fact that Cersei is indeed PREGNANT here in this scene, as Scarlett and I discussed IN THIS POST RIGHT HERE, we have to realize first that Cersei’s body is going through the beginning stages of change when it comes to having a child. All of which included and it not limited to any of the following;

Regular Nausea and vomiting

Sore and tender breasts

fatigue

full bladder, or as scarlett put it, having to literally pee all the time

heartburn, and acid reflux

diarrhea and/or constipation

mood swings

bad headaches/migraines

new levels of anxiety.

      So on top of all of the normal feelings of anxiety (including that which has stemmed since she was a child), worry over the well being of her child and herself, PTSD over the abuse suffered at Robert’s hand, denied grief over losing THREE children, there is all of the experience of the physical changes of pregnancy listed above, and anxieties over Jaime leaving her to go into battle while she is going through these.changes all on her own, a pregnancy through war time, and a pregnancy that has it’s own dangers of not going well.

      Now that we have the physical and emotional aspects noted, lets move onto the mentality.

      What was Cersei and Jaime thinking? I’ll tell you first and foremost; THIS WAS NOT A BREAK UP! CERSEI AND JAIME HAVE NOT BEEN TOGETHER FOR OVER 30 YEARS JUST TO LEAVE EACH OTHER NOW. THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO LOVE ANYONE ELSE EVEN IF THEY HAD WANTED TOO. 

      Anyway, to put it simply their end goals were the same, only each had different intentions of doing so. And to put that to words exactly. Would the one word; Survive. Yet each had their own idea in doing so. Let’s remember THE most important aspect of Cersei’s character that makes up a HUGE part of who she is. And that is her role as a mother, Cersei cherishes her children above ALL else. And her intentions here is thinking of the child she is soon to have. I’ve said, Scarlett has said, we all know this, that Cersei would DIE for her children. But now that she has lost her first three, this next child that is growing inside of her is far more important because it is all that she has left. The prophecy never told Cersei of a fourth child born to her, and unlike so many other times. Cersei has a major hand of power to play for this, to protect this one light that she has left in this cruel world.  She has a kingdom, she has Lannister men at her beck and call, she has MORE coming from across the sea, all that she could dream to keep her child safe.

      “Yes the monsters exist. But let them fight each other.” were along the lines of what she said. Cersei is literally modeling her decision after what Tywin Lannister had done when the Rebellion had occurred. And by protecting HERSELF- she is protecting the only thing that mattered in the world at this moment. The thing that is far more important than even the power that she had pursued all of her life. And that is her child growing inside of her.

      Again; JAIME IS NOT HAVING A REALIZATION THAT CERSEI IS INSANE, or that she is ‘wrong’ for him, or he is ‘tired’ of her. Jaime literally does what he ALWAYS has been able to do when Cersei threatens him, when Cersei slaps him. He calls out her shit because he KNOWS that she loves him so much that she never means any of it. Be it playing, or having an argument ,he literally calls Cersei out so much and that is all this was. Jaime has literally been spending the entire series (both book AND show) acknowledging how she is and refusing to budge from her side. (even when he is angry at her at the end of the series, his thoughts STILL revolve around Cersei.)

       When he speaks his plan is to protect her, her reign, and their child, through direct battle. There is no interior motives happening here. All intentions are on the board, nothing hidden between the two of them. What secret Cersei DOES have she spills to Jaime, which ensues their next disagreement. Which our main Jaime touches upon a little IN THIS POST. (Not to mention that Jaime is also going through his own grief, PTSD, and mental anxieties). His plan is literally going in the order of; protecting the Realm, for his own form of honor, and the reign of Cersei and their child. All the while resotring the family name and relationships with Cersei. (and sure yes, Tyrion). All the while Cersei wants to protect their own, the legacy she promised for their child, and relationships with Jaime. While each is aiming toward the same end goal, the road toward said end goal is viewed differently from both Jaime and Cersei.

      Both are aiming toward the restoration of their family, for the safety of their child that is yet to be born. This is not one casting off the other, or washing their hands of the dirty evil one at their back. And neither is there anything that has ever existed called the REDEMPTION ARC, it’s not back on, and it was never on in the first place? Because Jaime is literally doing what he is doing FOR Cersei, FOR their child. As he said in his very own words;

     ‘you don’t matter- CERSEI matters, and i will kill every Tully if I have to, to get back to her.’

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You talked about Jaime needing to do better for our girl in your meta topics post. Can you tell us about that? What she needs from him that she doesn’t get? What he does wrong? Aside from not coming to save her in canon, you know. On a smaller scale. Toxic Lannisters are best Lannisters, always.

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      You know, ‘Nonnie’ , I wanted to wait until I compiled my masterlist of thing pointing out subjects from both show and book of Jaime’s more negative aspects on Cersei and her character. (because why not? everyone else has no problem blowing up every single ONE of Cersei’s flaws and erasing every single of Jaime’s to make them both annoyingly OOC. When in fact, Cersei isn’t no wicked witch of the west, and neither is Jaime an honorable man ,or ‘Northern Bitch’ as I like to call this characterization.) So you’ll have to forgive me Nonnie for starting off with some points that I am going to list off the top of my head and a description of where it happened in Canon until I can get said masterlist together for a proper meta.

       Well we can start off with the most obvious thing and that is Jaime’s belief that everything is his. This is going before Cersei convinced him to join the Kingsguard (See, I’m not even sure if Eel Alley was the first time? We don’t know for sure, Jaime talks like there have been other’s.) but Jaime was raised with the belief that he would get Casterly Rock, he was the heir to the Lannister house, the golden boy, the next Tywin Lannister, and yes he gives that all up. But does this excuse him for his attitude that he owns everything that Cersei is? It absolutely does not. He wants her attention, her focus, her sex, her body, and her company. He gets over jealous and possessive, (i mean- he dreamt he smashed her teeth out before kissing her? because he was jealous and missing her?) 

     Not to mention this guy gets jealous over newborn Joffrey suckling at Cersei’s breasts. (Don’t take this as a point of how he hates joffrey, it’s a point to show how jealous of a motherfucker he is.) And in each canon he dismisses the notion entirely when Bran is mentioned (always calling him the little spy), why do I mention this? Because when Cersei brings it up in both canon’s, when she is angry with him for doing it, he dismisses it entirely. And he is selfish ,undeniably selfish. (due to, again, the upraising he had in which he got everything. my main jaime called him the most spoiled boy in the entire country.) As i said, 

    If Jaime doesn’t get her; attention, focus, sex, body, and company-

    EVEN IF IT’S JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS. He gets angry. He gets possessive. When he learns of how Kettlebacks rape of Cersei and how she let Lancel fuck her. ( i say let lancel fuck her because she was in pain, having a rebound so to speak, and was, as the term goes, dead fish with him. There was no joy there.). He goes so far as to use Brienne and Sansa as an EXCUSE to go against Cersei out of his jealous spite and anger. (oh but Jaime never slept with another woman- so this gives him a right to want to smash her teeth out, act like he owns her, and leave her to do the shame walk. WHICH LET ME REMIND YOU- It was both her love for Jaime, her faith IN his love for her, and in her love of Tommen that got her through it. She never stops loving him, but he finds an excuse to abandon her? Quite shitty if you ask me. and NOT rightfully deserved. What this DOES need is them to sit down and talk it/yell it out at each other so they can do what they’ve always done when it comes to their spats; reunite.)

      And need i point out if we’re just looking at the show, Jaime also got angry after Cersei admitted to spending days with the smith to craft his hand and Cersei, always loving him and trying to make him comfortable, willingly dismissed herself and her effort so he could be comfortable. Which AGAIN, leads to a scene where Cersei tries to talk with him, tries to speak what she’s feeling, and possibly what happened, but he’s again. Dismissing her because he has a boner and he wants some sex and so Cersei does what she always does when she genuinely wants to share something and she is demeaned. And what is that?

      She pulls away. Specifically moment Jaime pushes his face into her neck.

      HE EVEN GETS JEALOUS OF CERSEI PRAYING TO A MALE DEITY. Remember that famous line; why does Cersei need the warrior ,when she has me?

     I’m just saying, Cersei isn’t perfect and she is her own force to be reckoned with in Jaime’s life. But this isn’t a one way street, i always called them; WILLINGLY TOXIC FORCES UPON EACH OTHER’S LIVES. Because Cersei can’t live without Jaime, as much as he can’t live without her. 

HERE IS MY JAIME’S META ON HIM BURNING HER LETTER- AND HOW IT ISN’T JAIME LANNISTER HATING CERSEI AT ALL.

     Jaime isn’t perfect. Jaime is an asshole. He is selfish, and possessive and has absolutely no filter. Yes Cersei is a force in his life because he is so obsessed with her that he literally compares a gentle breeze of wind to her fingers. Yes Cersei is obsessed with him equally having denied herself feelings of her best friend, Taena, for her love of Jaime and in some ways even is cautious of the wrath and danger and VIOLENCE in which Jaime’s jealousy can easily reach. No people don’t generally define people; but in Jaime’s mind he SHOULD define her and she WILLINGLY lets him.

tagging @regnant / @kingslaying cause reasons.

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@iniziare said: Meta time, Mel, I’m asking for a friend (hi Ezio). How does/would Cersei in the position of Westeros’ ruling monarch, regard the common people; not only of KL but of the Seven Kingdoms as a whole? Where do they stand for her, does she see them as a responsibility or does she see them a menace and/or hassle that she’d perish? What do they represent for/to her?

    “The people? You think I care?”.

        That is the simplest way to put it and I could end this whole meta session and be done with it. But that wouldn’t be any fun would it?

        Okay so consider the lions pride that Cersei is integrated with since she was a small girl. We have both her mother and her father who have strong pride, having brought House Lannister back from the ruin her grandfather had tore into. She, as are many higher born children [yes Cersei even teaches her children this, see Myrcella being somewhat mean to Arya thinking that she was a dirty street boy.] were raised to believe that she is 200% better than those that were considered ‘beneath’ them. rather in Cersei’s case specifically, anyone who wasn’t part of their inner circle. 

        Cersei grew up knowing well the story of Tyto’s and his whore that was marched through the streets. How the mob surrounded her and almost ate her up. And i imagine that, being as young as she was, this mental image probably stuck with her. (as often times the most random things would stick in your mind.) She makes note of it moments before her shame walk began, she herself was only a year old, but she recalls the story of how the woman cried and begged. 

       And with this in mind, Cersei has only had one good experience with the people and that was on her wedding day when she and Robert stepped out of the Sept of Baelor.

       So with that in mind, the Lannister pride, the generalized and accepted concept that anyone and everyone who is remotely poorer is automatically considered lesser. With that alone we can pretty much assume that Cersei doesn’t care at all for the common people. (I’ve often stated that while Cersei would be good economically for the general ruling of Westeros, the common people do not stand a chance.). She sees them as a generalized mob crying out for the blood of anyone who is up to lose their head, and that’s it. And in most experience she has with them they are often calling out for blood, or war, or some feral means that calls for the first two stated topics. Be it Tourneys and Feasts hosted by Robert, or the mob that roared for Eddard Stark’s head, or when shit was flung at Joffrey’s head, and the shame walk. To Cersei they all have the same face, the same blood thirsty need to rip them down and hurt them. She holds zero empathy for those who she would rather see as worms than people. (in fact I recall a dead baby being shoved into their parties attention but Cersei paid no mind, it wasn’t her child so why should she care right?)

      This is also where the infamous line comes in; ‘a lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinion of sheep.’ That’s literally all they are to her on good days. Little people who work in the pot shops and mines, and dirty themselves in the mud with the other rabble.

      I think you might recall Sae the one scenario I gave you where Cersei would have rather closed the gates to the Red Keep and leave the entirety of King’s Landing population to freeze in winter if it meant choosing between them and her family. Note how in the books, and first few seasons when the shitty directors gave a crap about detail, they were having several courses of their meals while the entirety of King’s Landing is literally starving. And then recall how at Joffrey’s wedding in the show, Cersei ordered that the leftovers of their feast would actually go to the dogs rather than the starving people simply because her pride couldn’t allow another to give an order that should have been hers. Yes, Cersei chose her pride over the poor people eating.

      So all in all; the common people are only one thing to Cersei and nothing more.

       A massive mob.

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Jaime is scornful and hateful of Joffrey IN CANON though? Like Jaime literally says that Joffrey was nothing more than "a squirt in Cersei's cunt" deserved to die (!) literally the ONLY person who loved Joff was Cersei (Though I think Tyrion did too, in his own way, what with his attempts at correcting Joffrey's behaviour and trying to mold him to being a good king. No one else makes such an attempt)

We Only Love and Respect Joffrey Here Nonnie | AnonymousAccepting Fealty For King Joffrey Here, always, Thank you Nonnie.

       You know, Nonnie, I haven’t been impressed with Tyrion since he struck Joffrey to the ground and kicked him, and then threatened to Rape Tommen to make Cersei listen to him. (Why is it funny to see Joffrey being slapped I will never understand. It would be an uproar if it was anyone else being struck so that is the same age as him. It’s basically saying that ‘oh it’s okay for this 13 year old boy to be abused by his uncle because he’s a spoiled brat anyway and his mom is a bitch’. No, I don’t agree with that.) But my dislike for Tyrion is a whole other thing that you all know about [and i swear if any other person comes up to me again and shouts at me about how Tyrion was the real rape victim over Tysha I am going to have a FIT and will verbally slap them this time.] All of his over looked and erased flaws despite how they scream in the books and the general fandom’s made pedestal for him has ruined him for me. So I’m not even going to discuss him here.

        Where exactly does it say that JAIME thinks that JOFFREY, his FIRST BORN SON, the one he always regrets that he never got to hold deserved to die? Which book is it in? It’s certainly not ASOIAF? Did good ol’ Georgie make another set of books that I haven’t seen? I don’t understand that? WHERE does he say the exact words; “I hate Joffrey. He needed to die. I’m so happy he’s dead.” In fact  " deserved to die (!) little excerpts from a father denying his grief over losing his son-

     Jaime sat silent through it all, letting the words wash over him, a horn of ale forgotten in his one good hand. Joffrey. My blood. My firstborn. My son…

      “ —- You should have come sooner,” She murmured, when he took her in his arms. “Why couldn’t you come sooner, to keep him safe? My boy …”

      Our boy. “I came as fast as I could.” –

     And the famous; 

      I’ve lost a hand, a father, a son, a sister ,a lover, and soon enough I will lose a brother. And yet they keep telling me House Lannister won this war.

        ANYWHO.

        The Lannister’s are renowned for suppressing their emotions, just looking at the Lannister children alone. Tyrion drinks and whores, Cersei drinks, and Jaime turns to brash humor, All three of which have an equal harsh temperament because of denied feelings. From my understanding this is one of many things that he shares with Cersei. They both turn to something to protect themselves from the feelings that are hurting them. They shut down, they turn to something easier to deal with. Cersei turns to anger, and Jaime shuts himself off. Recall how he told Tommen that very thing- when something is too much to handle. Shut down. Cover it up. or in Jaime’s case, push it away. Cersei in her own grief, unintentionally shoves Jaime away emotionally and denies him his own grief over his son. So what does he do? He covers it up, Jaime, like Cersei, turns to anger.

        Recall the moment in the show how Jaime was indeed there, and recall how when Jaime ran to Joffrey’s side as he lay there convulsing in poison. Recall how Cersei ran up and shoved Jaime away. That is EXACTLY what remains in the books, except it represents an equal deeper level because by denying him, even in death, the acknowledgement that this was their boy rather than hers. She cut him off the way his hand had been severed, again, a gesture toward losing a hand, a father, a son— 

        So imagine how Cersei compensates her grief for her anger. Okay. Imagine how it would be if she was not only cut off from her grief but also her anger? Eh? You see what is happening here now?

        Cersei never allowed him to hold Joffrey in his birth, never allowed him near, for the safety of them all because the littlest suspicion could endanger them all. Because during that time, even Cersei knew that their tie to the throne depended solely on Robert’s name. Thus Jaime had no choice but to be bared from his son’s infancy, childhood, and thus grew distant from his son. And furthermore created an unfulfilled void inside of him, and in his anger, jealous rage, bitterness over this, he himself never gave any meaning to the term Uncle and regrets it later. He doesn’t get to know his son, and before he even gets a chance to try and get to know him-  [ and I repeat, his blood, his first born, his son...] he was taken from him. So, like Cersei’s bitter thoughts later calling Jaime a wretched creature, Jaime’s thought’s shouldn’t be taken into too much LITERAL consideration and should be considered more through the eyes of a hurt man, who lost himself, his son, the grounds of which his life is built around is shaken [of course by this I mean the falling OUT of Sync with Cersei] and everything he knows. And like a proper Lannister, turns to the only thing he knows. Rage.

       SO why don’t you say what you really want to say and repeat your hinted thought of how Joffrey DESERVED To die. Go on. And please. Stop forcing your OOC hate for a character on someone who loved them as best as he could, and is currently struggling with his grief and loss over said character. 

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I know you haven't found the meme yet, but I wanna hear you talk about Tommen. Anything about Tommen. Cersei's precious youngest child.

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I may have talked into a little circle but it’s 1 AM and I wanted to do it. Here I hope this is good.

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PSA:

         Cersei Lannister is not nice to bastards.

         While she is general nice to people’s face, she will smile, compliment, treat everyone as pleasantly as possibly (again I press on the term TO THEIR FACES.) She would charm an entire feast table ,an entire room, a REALM, if she so pleases (there is a reason one of her titles is ‘LIGHT OF THE WEST’) . But a bastard, of any name, house, acknowledged or unacknowledged, she will downright ignore. She has nothing to gain from them, and in her experience with bastards they have caused nothing but meager annoyance on her end.  (What with Robert’s bastards, the few in her house, etc etc.).

         The general concept of people disliking bastards and all concepts surrounding them set aside, Cersei generally looks down on everyone and anyone who isn’t a part of her inner circle of loved ones. (and this is what- four? five people?). Bastard, in Cersei’s eyes, would be a step down even from that. Not even worth looking at.

       [;; And yes this is even an ideal that she would pass on to her children.]

       EDIT: UNLESS YOUR NAME IS RAMSAY  BOLTON 

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Do you think Cersei is really pregnant? (Serious question; i want to see some meta c:)

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         Okay but first off, to all those Anti-Cersei scum out there that think that Cersei would go so far as to FAKE a pregnancy to control Jaime. Kiss my ass. (Not you Bronn Mun ilu never at you i know you’re not saying it). So yes, I don’t think that Cersei is pregnant, there isn’t any thinking about it when it comes to Cersei and wanting her babies. She IS pregnant. Cersei truly believes that you can manipulate people, you can use their feelings, their desire, and their greed to make them do what ever you want. All you would have to do is say the right words, do the right things, and control your enemy and manipulate them into ruin.

        First and foremost of Cersei Lannister; in a way I suppose Jaime was a always a willing sword hand for Cersei. Bearing the strike to kill when all was said and done and Cersei could not do it herself. (And before any random scoffing at me saying that, I want to remind people that canonly there are very FEW women that aren’t Wildlings or Dornish who could wield a weapon. ‘oh but Brienne-’ ,’oh but Arya-’, ‘oh but Ygritte-’, Ygritte was a Wildling and BOTH Arya and Brienne were exceptions made by the Lord Fathers. A girl, or woman, with a sword was highly peculiar in the customs of Westeros) If Cersei wanted the act that required physical strength this is where Jaime came in. He would hurt for her, punish those who make her uncomfortable, and most important to the both of them. KILL in her name. Where Cersei was the speaker, the guarding lioness, and her lion, Jaime, was the hand. The sword to cut down their enemies. Cersei could never carry a sword, was never allowed to continue learning, and sharpened the only weapon she knew. Her words, politics, the master hand that controls the very fabric of peace of war. The infamous Game of Thrones.

         Secondly, Cersei HAS lied about her pregnancy before. She lied about it for YEARS, and this is the parentage of her children. The very FACT that her children were actually fathered by Jaime, which I will note that people were more concerned for the fact that they might have the blood of KINGSLAYING in them years later. And not only that but the very FACT that Cersei would have no other child that wasn’t Jaime’s, would REFUSE any child borne from Robert’s seed, not saying in an AU she would hate a true born child if she ever had one. But that is the very thing, she LIED so she could have Jaime’s children. She lied FOR Jaime, and for the sake of their children. Because I can promise you that there was no way in hell her children would exist as bastards. Being pregnant this second time doesn’t matter because she alone is Queen, she could claim their new baby legitimized the day (s)he is born.

         Lastly, Cersei loves her children. She loves being a mother, her own babies make her happy. One of her infamous lines is how she wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for her children. (Which tells me that Cersei had/has/did at one point had suicidal tendencies. She said she would have thrown herself from the nearest tower and since I’m keeping things from personal experience that is what it tells me.) Her children coming into her life have brought such a light to her life, we have Joffrey her independent soul, Myrcella her sweet girl but fierce in her beliefs, and Tommen the very embodiment of Cersei’s lost innocence. Each different, each loved, and cherished more than anything else in her life. I once had a friend, (shout out to @cerseilionesslannister ) that said while she loves Jaime, would kill for him, love him beyond the fabrics of the universe. But it is her children that she would die for. The prospect of having another child steadily quickening in her womb would bring Cersei joy no matter what, because in her experience children are GIFTS. It would bring her hope, a prospect of the future, and a twisting ache for joy.

         So in conclusion; Cersei would never in any life time. LIE about her pregnancy to control Jaime, not when she lied FOR him for so many years. She would never would pass up the one opportunity to finally be able to have a family together, and not only have one. But EXIST as one as they were meant to be, as they had promised each other for years. And live and breathe as a mother, a father, and a son or daughter. Yes Jaime is being an OOC door mat, yes Jaime is for some reason questioning the ‘fuck them all’ logic they’ve always had. The ONE he reminded her of in the last season. (Seriously what is with those looks he gave her when she told Gregor what to do if things went wrong? it’s what you do when you take a gamble? You PREPARE.) Yes, for some reason D&D are making all of these awkward arguments.

          But Cersei Lannister would NEVER lie about being pregnant with Jaime Lannister’s child. Nor is she controlling of every fabric of what he does. Jaime is not a good perfect character, NOR is he stupid, he is perfectly capable of doing the bad all by himself.

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If Cersei had to save one of her children or Jaime, who would she choose?

      This would easily be one of the hardest choices of her life. Cersei cherishes her children above all else, she loves them, adores them, and does everything in her power to ensure that they will live beyond her years. And then there is Jaime, her brother, her confidante, her other half, the love of her life. We have a face of two separate factors of the only people that Cersei loves completely and with her entire heart. On one end, we have the ones that she would gladly die for and the other we have someone who she would gladly die with. 

       But in the end I think he would understand in her choosing to save her child(ren). I would even go so far as to say that she would gladly sacrifice herself with Jaime if it meant saving all three of her children and keeping them safe. We have the best of both worlds in a way I suppose , she dies for her children, and dies with Jaime. If she could she would have this way; she would gladly and easily trade her life for theirs.

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     SO HERE IS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT.

      So as I was doing some house errands on my way to the computer I was listening to a song and something dawned on me so hard that I stopped in my tracks and mulled over it.

     It occurred to me that this song linked the two of them together in my head. It blew my mind because this song was the same EXACT song (notes & all), but the only difference was the artists and the general tone of the beat, (one maybe in 1,2 and the other 1,2,3,4 for my musician followers out there.) But what I find interesting is that one reminds me a 100% of one without touching the other BUT THEY’RE THE SAME DAMN SONG. Okay here are the links;

      CERSEI

      SANSA

       See you notice the one with Sansa’s not only is the singer herself a bit younger (im not sure how much?) but you can tell in her voice. OR you get that sense at least? (I do ) and it has that youthful hope. That onlooking into the unknown abyss we know life as and in some way finding your strength, And the pace of the song is quicker, darting, if you would have it. I suppose I could say a hopeful sense of wonder and a willingness to SURVIVE most of all. I’m not sure how to go into detail here, I’m not in Sansa’s head so much but- i think it’s interesting.

        Now we turn to the one I’ve selected for Cersei, or at least the one I feel makes me think of Cersei’s speech, and this song feels more matured in a sense. Angry, yes, and in a way I suppose. it feel more sadder?  “I’ve been waiting for this moment all my life.” -- “I’ve waited half my life.” You see there? It’s like Cersei is ready to finally step up and take what is hers. It’s like she’s done with waiting, she’s done with being treated like less than she is. And she is ready to fight, she’s already survived so much, and she is willing to survive so much more.

       I’m not sure where I’m going exactly with this. But I see that it’s almost like we have two different people on the same ends of a path so similar. We have one at the beginning staring into the abyss, and the other at the end of the abyss having survived it’s darkness. It’s an interesting though, don’t you think?

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for that meta meme: "what of my wrath, Lord Stark?"

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     "Exile.,” she said. “A bitter cup to drink from.”

     “A sweeter cup than your father served Rhaegar’s children,” Ned said, “ and kinder than you deserve, Your father and your brothers will do well to go with you. Lord Tywin’s gold will buy you comfort and hire swords to keep you safe. You shall need them. I promise you, no matter where you flee, Robert’s wrath will follow you, to the back of beyond if need be.”

     The queen stood. “And what of my wrath, Lord Stark?”

   Hearing her family threatened in such a manner had immediately cause an rise of anger to course through Cersei in that moment. Cersei loves her family more than anything, as she had just told him, ‘no more than I-’ when asking him if he loved his own. In her mind set there is a large, albeit cocksure, note that she is thinking over and that is; She is the most powerful woman in the entire Seven Kingdoms, part of the most powerful and feared HOUSE of the Seven Kingdoms. Daughter of the most powerful and feared MAN of the Seven Kingdoms, (voice in the background; WE GET IT )  

    You don’t just threaten a lioness in her own den.

     Fury thrown toward the protection of her family, this attack against her title, house, and blood, she also knows that she is witnessing Ned playing himself into his own grave.. Especially moment that the ‘honorable’ man before her not only defended the man she has grown to HATE through experience (via abuses and the likes), who is also speaking to her as if she should cower in fear. (this at least, is how Cersei is interpretation it.), which is not something that she would ever allow herself to do. Cower.

     She also knows now that Ned Stark has completely and utterly underestimated her and her ability to turn the table to her favor. He doesn’t know how far she would go to protect her family, her children, brother, father, and herself. He knows not the lengths nor the, for the lack of better word, stubbornness in her own anger. Ned Stark has judged her in this moment, and thinks about how he had judged her brother the same way years ago when he slew Aerys II. (I still lowkey headcanon that Ned was the first person to ever call him Kingslayer.).

      He had judged her yes, and Cersei knew it, but he did not know her, and thus;

      “And what of my wrath, Lord Stark?”

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       I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY IT’S SO HARD AND CONFUSING FOR ME TO TRANSLATE THAT S7 FINALE INTO A MORE IC FRIENDLY GROUND. (emotions aside because I can only process Cersei’s pain of watching him GO even after all the countless times he promised he would never leave her again- ANYWAY-)

         Because Cersei would never have made it known she intended to betray everyone so soon. I discussed it once only with @obuljagon and @killthebxy before. Cersei would actually be leaving King’s Landing for Winterfell WITH Jaime rather than staying behind. She would pull a Tywin and leave them for dead later on. Wait for when her game plan is to be made clear, much like Tywin did in Robert’s Rebellion, and THEN abandon everyone to die last minute the moment the white walkers were no longer a threat.

       It was IC of Cersei to want to turn on everyone to ensure that their child would remain with the iron throne.

       It was OOC for it be done in that mtter.

       Thank you again, for your Fuck up’s D&D.

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For a long time I’ve actually wanted someone to be there for Cersei. Someone in the shadows that is there for Cersei’s benefit. Someone who sees the pain and suffering that uncovers itself through the thick walls and closed doors.Someone who cared for her well being as a friend in the shadows. Who served her but cared for her in an understanding way. I want someone to be there thinking Cersei just another lady at first when she comes to her service as a girl until night after night tending bruises along her flesh at her arms where her husband had grabbed her too rough. Bruises at her stomach, thighs and legs, where flesh was left beaten and raw after said husband had raped her over each night he declared he’d “claim his rights”

Someone to aid when said husband struck her hard enough to swell half of her face. Someone to brush long golden hair as she grieved for the absence of her brother; who poured the wine when the pain was so obvious in hurting expression..Someone to gently undress her from her wine and blood soaked dress when her first child died and undid the pins from her hair when shaky fingers could not stop moving long enough to even pick up a proper glass of wine.  Who helped dab the blotches of blood from her lips every single time that she returned damage from what was suppose to be a life of splendor. Who helped her bath the filth from her body as an aching, starved, beaten, and bruised body slipped into the hot bath water. Who had figured out that this was the first proper bathing she has had in weeks because she knows her Queen would never allow such filth on her in the first place.

Someone to gently bandage bleeding feet and make her special shoes to walk so they could heal so they will not scar because if she wasn’t careful the skin wouldn’t heal right. Someone who stayed loyal in so much more than simple employment. Someone who has seen Cersei as the strong woman that she is and is dedicated in a way that goes into a level of silent caring.

I want Cersei to have a shadow guardian like this

       This is what i feel when I see this one. I need a name for her. I love her so much.

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I’M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MILES BUT LOOK AT THIS.

The path of Cersei’s shame walk. She nearly walked the entire length of the city.

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what do you think of cersei's statement that tommen "betrayed" her?

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      Let’s reflect for a moment on the very last episode of S6 for a moment. The whole water board scene with the wretched Septa Unella- and her speech about how things feel good. And the one thing that she said was:

     “ I fuck my brother because it feels good to feel him inside of me. I lie about fucking my brother because it feels good to protect our son from hateful hypocrites.”

       if I know Cersei at all. When she said that Tommen had betrayed her she did not mean it with any scorn at all. Tommen is her son, her baby boy, and the last embodiment of her innocence left in this world. Notice the first thing she did the moment Tommen was brought up she turned to grab a glass of wine. The entire time she had no drink whatsoever in her hand; and she avoided every single question that would bring out an real emotional response. 

      But looking at the show, and more specifically Show Tommen, when it comes to real talk. He kind of did? You know betray her? But see I believe that Cersei and Tommen have a lot more in common then they are given credit for? (i mean please- Cersei is his MOTHER- half of his personality stems from her own.)

      Recall how Tommen and Margaery were actually alone for quite SOME time. And to this day we don’t know what was said inside the sept that made Tommen suddenly turn on his mother (literally like an episode or two after he had asked her to make him stronger.). I think that Tommen and Margaery had a plan to usurp the High Sparrow somehow. Like I said I think Tommen and Cersei have a lot in common and I think one of those aspects is loyalty to the ones you love. I think Margaery had convinced Tommen of her plan that would end with him saving his mother. (He had just attended the funeral of his sister and best friend, right now to him his mother is literally all that his left.). But we don’t know for sure what Marg had told him but it was enough to convince him that this was probably the only way to save his mother.

      Now look at this from Cersei’s perspective for a moment.

You just learn to value your items and what you do have after months of captivity and enduring the Shame walk, think your daughter is coming home, only to find that she died.

Your son bars you from your only daughter’s funeral.

You haven’t seen this son once since before you were held captive.

When you see him you’re angry but hurt but happy to see him. He’s your fucking son, you fucking love him. But you’re hurt he didn’t let you go to your own little girls FUNERAL.

He asks you to help him be stronger.

You let yourself feel hope again .

       Time Skip to the next time you see him.

You’re banned from standing at his side-

This same son bans trial by combat, you’re only hope to escaping this damned trial basically condemning you, your lover, and himself to death.

    From Cersei’s perspective it looks like a LEGIT betrayal because Tommen never had the chance to share with her whatever intentions were behind his actions? Cersei meant nothing horrible when she avoided the questions about him and looked to the figure that had always held a prominence of power in her life. Tywin Lannister.  This is where that infamous line comes in;

       His sister liked to think of herself as Lord Tywin with teats, but she was wrong. Their father had been as relentless and implacable as a glacier, where Cersei was all wildfire, especially when thwarted.

      She has no judgement- no proper judgement anyway. But seriously- Cersei loves her children. All three of them. Saying that Tommen betrayed her are words of her reminding herself of what he did- all the while turning to the one coping mechanism she has had through out the years.

       Wine and sex she’s probably fucking Jaime’s brains out just so you know.