#<- not serious. not saying that any form of thor IS actually a camp masterpiece. but still...

[tyrannuspitch]

more seriously it is REALLY interesting to me that, on one hand, we have people claiming that the original thor movies were "toxically masculine" for asking you to "take everything so seriously", and ragnarok was actually doing a Feminist Act in fixing this (by... making men express less emotion), and on the other hand we've always had misogynists claiming that the original thor movies are an embarrassment, too silly/cheesy/camp/melodramatic/etc, clearly Gay And For Girls.

like. a LOT of people get uncomfortable when they see men expressing too much sincere, vulnerable emotion. but here one group that's mostly cis women says the problem is masculinity, and another group that's mostly cis men says the problem is femininity. like... you see something you that doesn't meet your gendered standards/expectations, and you get uncomfortable... and then you try to justify it through gender war. the whole zeitgeist in a nutshell.

(but also, somehow, the solution to "bad" masculinity is "good" masculinity, never femininity, and that "good" masculinity is closer to the ideal/norm, and yet this is apparently "camp"... gender non-conformity can be good in theory, but in practice... not like that! never like that!!!)