#<- norman's sister in the rewrite btw

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May I have your opinion on some Norman lore? I know in canon that Norman was made by Daisy to be her husband but don’t you think that’s a little fucked up if you think about it. I know daisy is a good person with only good intentions but it feels kinda morally grey and she chose to make norman without fully considering the ethical implications.

The idea that you come into this world loving someone and your whole life and identity revolves around this one person and you didn’t even have a say, don’t get me wrong he loves her but wouldn’t that just make it kinda worse? Like it’s conflicting. He knows he loves her but he also knows he doesn’t really have a choice to merry her, Norman heavily values robots rights and the ability to choose and free will so it’s complicated. I’ve always headcononed that Norman starts to resent his marriage over time but hes struggling cause his programming is telling him he loves her and makes the idea of leaving impossible. And to go through all of this only to be ‘abandoned’ would crush him so it would make sense that he uses his revolution to take out all the years worth of resentment, grief, confusion and betrayal using violence; don’t get me wrong Norman DOES believe in his cause and getting equal rights and so forth but I like to think there’s more behind it then just altruism.

Yeah I actually agree with this wholeheartedly even though I've never really. Y'know. Liked Norman due to the whole thing of him implied to be a nazi, had genocidal fantasies, and the fact that, apparently, in-universe of the old canon story, marrying or being in love with your creator is essentially incest due to them essentially being your parent or so, which would make him being married to Daisy basically forced marriage with a dash of incest. (I saw forced due to Norman not really having a choice in the matter.)

In all honesty, I never really saw the need for Daisy being Norman's mom-wife and I didn't really see their relationship as such to begin with? I'm not sure if it makes sense but when I first discovered those two, I didn't catch on the incest implications because, again, in-universe stuff about how being married to your creator is equated to incest. (So the whole mom-wife thing isn't canon, as Daisy in this rewrite only built Norman and his not-canon-to-the-original-story sister because she was infertile and couldn't have her own children.)

But yeah, I agree with this, the subject on Daisy creating Norman to basically be married to him despite him being equated to her son by law in-universe, either out of pure jealousy or extreme loneliness to the point of wanting someone to be with her, is incredibly morally grey because of the ethical implications, and how Norman views humans as these ‘evil creatures that NEED to be put down’ because he believes in robot rights despite the fact the only thing he really does for it is kill and idealize his genocidal fantasies to q degree he literally has GODS to help him wipe out parts of the human population to literally exterminate them, just makes it even more stranger as a result.

The whole abandonment schtick I can get, but it doesn't excuse the fact that Norman is a megalomaniac nazi who makes his genocidal fantasies a reality.

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Hers's something to think about: the Cattle Children might not have been taught racism, like, they might have only a very limited knowledge it even EXISTS. Think about it. Why would they need to know? Science, math, logic...these things are important for any growing brain to know. But history can be censored so they learn important things without distressing the kids too much. Trauma can stunt brain development, after all. And we KNOW their education was restricted, since they didn't know it wasn't 2015. (Moms and Sisters probably know, but the kids? It has nothing to do with them!) These kids probably have a bunch of things they were never taught about because "it's non-applicable", including but not limited to sex ed (GF kids might not even get puberty talks!). The kids are geniuses, but you have to wonder... what gaps are there? What culture clashes will they deal with every day now they are in the human world?

Oh yeah I think about that a lot!! Having the children not learn about wars and discrimination not to effect their mental health makes a lot of sense (further suggestion: what if they weren't taught about what a farm is just in case). But on the other hand, through the story it's kinda clear that the children understand what such things as war and eradication are. In chapter 156 Ray talks about civil war, and Norman and Emma act like they have a perfect understanding of what that means¹. Moreover, according to this panel, they probably also have an understanding of what discrimination is:

And here's Norman listing the world's most impending problems, showing he has an understanding (a pretty sharp one even) of those very problems and how they could effect them. I find it particularly surprising for him to mention pollution, since it's a problem that didn't use to be widely addressed until recently.

Here's a thing though: when you learn about something that is far and distant from you, it's hard to relate to it, and chances are that it will not effect you significantly; this is probably even truer for young people, who still have only a vague cognition of the distinction between reality and tales. In my experience, children are the most hopeful, optimistic people, and that's probably because, being so young, they really don't have an understanding of what all those things (wars, famines, pandemics, mass death etc.) mean; they thus believe any problem in the world has the potential to be fixed. They know that war is a thing, they just don't understand what it really means, because their brains aren't able to acknowledge the suffering of such a vast amount of people.

Now, I must necessarily take into account that the children of this generation whom I'm taking as example are constantly exposed by medias to speeches and even images involving war; then it's likely to be, within them, also a component of subconscious will to isolate and distance themselves from such terrible concepts by assuming them abstract and unreal in order to mantain their happiness². However, I still stand by what I said that even children that are alien to this world would feel distant to this kind of dark concepts: moreover, the GF children don't even have televisions to show them images of war, so it must be all the more hard to tell the difference between a fairy tales book and an history book.

Another relevant thing we should take into account is that, as the Mechanical Engineering and Human History book by Alex Mikhaylov tells us, most if not all the books in the GF library were imported from the human world, and I doubt the demons would go through the trouble of rewriting them (though censure is still a possibility- if not made by the demons, by mamas and sisters).

Tl;Dr: I do believe that the children's exposition to wars and other triggering concepts would be limited (maybe there aren't many history books in the library?), but I'm pretty sure they have a pretty sharp understanding of what they are, even if that doesn't mean all of them (especially the youngest ones) know what they actually mean. Same probably applies to sex ed and puberty talks which, as people have mentioned before, will probably lead to disastrous consequences when the girls get their periods for the first time. So yeah, the kids definitely have huge knoweledge gaps. First of all, there's the 32 years gap between 2015 and 2047 they little have no idea of. It's interesting how they're so intelligent yet so ignorant, right? Makes you think about how everyone has a different kind of knoweledge.

Btw, the children know what the year they live in is!!! It's also written on all the calendars they have in the House :)

¹Of course, that could also come from an intention of not boring the reader with useless explanations... I realize that being an actual possibility.

²Unfortunately, this doesn't apply to the children that are directly effected by said unfortunate events