#:( i’m probably projecting etc etc but i guess i interpreted that as him being lonely??

[ectoplasmer]

i can feel the ryou brainworms just feasting right now

[megacarapa]

What are your thoughts on the recent manga developements? Like the climax of the vs stanley arc and the suika mini arc etc, idk ive just been loving the recent chapters and wanna hear more talk about it and your rants so far have been really entertaining ^^

ANON FCGB;;;😳

WELL i did make an entire playlist based off those 3 suika chapters so i guess you could say i’ve been enjoying the current arc gfgfh. ok here are my VERY extended thoughts on the last 10ish chapters under the cut (manga spoilers obv) (LUCY DON’T READ THIS ONE FR) (also cw for like.. discussion of diseases and stuff tho i dont go too much into detail, i’m not an actual doctor obviously dfgdfg)

this ended up being way longer than i expected so i tried breaking it into a few sections and adding images to make it easier on the eyes, i’ve really loved the south america arc as a whole but these last few chapters have been especially amazing

vs stanley climax

first of all, i gotta love how you called it the "vs stanley fight", and i mean, you're technically right since he is the antagonist of this arc, but it's interesting how they never have a direct faceoff with stanley, it's more like stanley and his troops attacking super one sidedly in a way the kos can't really fight against, so they use communication between their different teams to trap stanley & co in a situation they can't run away from and win in the long term

i love that dr stone "fights" are most often won strategically rather than in a straight up 1v1 brawl, in fact those more standard fights are most often used as a way to keep the enemy at bay until senku & co can figure out a way to actually win, also it's just really cool that the team that delivered the final blow was thousands of miles away from where the actual fight was taking place, or even hundreds of thousands if you count whyman as the "person who delivered the final blow"

stanley theorizes at the end that the kos will probably keep his statue as a hostage to make xeno work for them on the rocket if he wants stanley back (lmao gay), but considering their track record of letting past enemies join the crew, i have a feeling we’ll have both xeno and stanley (and the rest of the americans) back rather than just xeno

the only antagonist so far that hasn't been redeemed is ibara, who is just being kept as a stone statue somewhere, but you could tell that would be the case based on his design alone, he just screams *irredeemable villain*

xeno and stanley, while antagonists, are also clearly designed to be likeable characters, so i don't see them getting the same treatment

the only problem would be keeping a constant watch over xeno to make sure he doesn't do any Side Projects™ and develop firearms again, but it could also be that xeno was actually convinced of senku’s philosophy in their last talk before the beam hit, so maybe he will be willing to help even without having stanley be a hostage, but i guess we’ll just wait and see

as a side note, whyman periodically sending the petrification command was basically a chekhov's gun now that i think about it, so it makes sense in a meta way that a second worldwide petrification would happen, why establish it if it wont come into play later in the story? i actually felt kinda dumb for not seeing it coming fgdfg

aftermath/suika chapters

the first strategy they had for defeating stanley was a good one, but it wouldn't really make for good storytelling if it just Worked and they won just like that, it would be pretty anticlimactic after running from him for almost 20 chapters, so it makes sense then that what they had to go with in the end was the same strategy, but on a much bigger scale

suika being the one to be depetrified first and have to save everyone is also a good choice both thematically and to make sure the victory isn't too easy

having someone like senku or chrome who understands the platinum method to make revival fluid and then have it done in less than a day, or having suika simply find some extra revival fluid lying around like she was initially planning would, again, be anticlimactic, it would've lacked impact after everything they've been through

these 3 chapters also nicely bring back the theme of science not being exclusive to the “pros”, everyone can use it as long as they have the proper steps to follow, the most impressive example before this was the corn city crew managing to make a diamond by following senku’s instructions despite not having any scientists on board (and before that, gen and the villagers making a telescope)

and now suika is even more impressive, being a literal child and all, even though she wasn't able to understand the more complex methods, there was still a way for her to succeed, all she needed was to be patient and diligently go at it step by step, i adore these 3 chapters and i love suika so much now it's insane

suika being the one to get revived serves another purpose as well...

honestly, already around 188/189 i was starting to get really worried about how the story would handle the emotional aftermath

shonen jump manga has a tendency to just gloss over the psychological consequences of traumatic events (one moment i remember finding really frustrating was in bnha, when kirishima gets really fucked up during the overhaul arc but the next time we see him he’s just joking around about looking like a mummy because of all his bandages🙄), so i was worried they wouldn't treat the aftermath of an event like this with the gravity it deserves, (i think LITERALLY DYING could be considered a traumatic event but i'm no psychologist🤔)

suika’s time alone shows a nice contrast to senku, while senku is definitely not emotionless, during his time alone before taiju was revived he is still very cool and collected, not showing any emotional weakness like the king of repression he is

suika is a whole different story, she’s a kid, she doesn't repress her emotions like senku does, so during her time alone she is scared and lonely, especially at the beginning, we see her breaking down into tears multiple times, imagining her friends statues talking to her, hugging kohaku’s statue for comfort etc

this really provided the emotional catharsis i was hoping for, through suika, the audience is genuinely able to feel the gravity of what has happened

i do wish more of the older characters could be allowed to show emotional weakness like this, but i guess having suika serve as a proxy for everyone works well enough

on that note, senku was alone for only 6 months and even then its implied in treasure island that he may have a problem with loneliness

suika on the other hand was alone for YEARS, i can only imagine how that affected her mental state, tho honestly i can't say i expect the story to delve into something like that too deeply (or at all) since this is a shonen manga after all.. 

immortality

i’ve seen some people interpreting hyoga’s resurrection in 197 as “they can revive somebody that died from an injury, but people will still die eventually due to old age”, but i don’t think that's really the case, people don’t just die from “old age” by itself, they die because their body slowly degrades over time, which makes it harder to fight against numerous diseases, one of which will eventually get you and kill you

but dr stone (aka the combination of medusa+revival fluid) can nullify that degradation and bring your body back into a healthy state, we’ve already seen this with kaseki on treasure island where senku explains that dr stone healed his arthritis, a disease which probably would have lead to his natural death sooner or later

while we already know kaseki was in better shape than most people his age, it’s still surprising to see an old man like him jumping around so energetically, thats how much the restoration improved his health

we also know it healed mirai who was brain dead before being revived, so i think it's a pretty safe bet that it can heal other brain related diseases such as alzheimers

if so, then dr stone can heal injuries, diseases and even death as we’ve seen with hyoga, i think it’s pretty accurate of senku to say that humanity has gained immortality with it

honestly this development has been a long time coming, the idea of dr stone being able to bring back the dead was introduced as early as the first arc when tsukasa killed senku but taiyuzu were able to bring him back, but it really does seem like such an out there concept so i’m interested to see how they will base it in science... (and also how they will handle the whole… moral dilemma of immortality but i ain't ready to even attempt to think abt any of that)

my favourite theory that has sprung up from this is that if people really can live forever thanks to dr stone, it could be that whyman is actually a normal human who has been continually petrifying and reviving themself to live for 3700 years

wat will happen nixt?

back when 196 came out it kinda dawned on me just how much the crew has been set back in the progress they've made so far that it was giving me anxiety for real gfgdfg

seven years have passed, and in that time a lot of the tools they've made must have degraded, along with that, everyone they've revived so far has been turned to stone once again, there was nobody to upkeep the wheat fields and sundial and basically everything they've left in japan, and after all this time even the perseus must be in bad shape and in need of repair, as chrome suggests

how long will it take them to repair the ship? to repair all the tools they've lost? their original plan was to go around the world building cities where they can get all the materials to work on that rocket they’ll be making eventually, they already kinda started up corn city, but that has been out of commission for a while now, they were planning to build superalloy city in south america and have barely started on that

so they need to keep building these cities but also need to go back and revive everyone if they don't want their progress to go to waste, how will they go about this?? will they just tackle it one by one or split into teams, so one team can stay behind and work on superalloy city and the other can go back and revive everyone? who knows?? ryusui certainly made it sound way easier than how i've been imagining it dfgdfg

other than that, i gotta wonder are the kingdom of science really the only humans left on earth now that there's been a second worldwide petrification, or has some other group revived somewhere during the timeskip, OR maybe there might be another group out there who also devised the revival formula and was able to escape the 2nd petrification, which would then give them 7 more years to develop while senku n co are just stuck in stone 🤔 dr stone has always had some human antagonist so i wonder who’s next now that xeno and stanley have been dealt with

honestly my favourite arc has always been age of exploration precisely because it doesn't have any human threat and the characters are just left to craft and work on rebuilding society without the pressure of a looming war or a crazy american hunting them down, so honestly i'm hoping we will get another arc like that now, i think the crew definitely deserves it dnjd

random bonus ramblings

-using poop and shells to create nitric acid and it being a process that would take a long time is something that has already been mentioned multiple times in the series, so it’s really cool to see it actually utilized in the story rather than being random throwaway info

makes you wonder what other seemingly throwaway lines could actually be foreshadowing...

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-since joel managed to fix a medusa im very excited for him to be revived so we can learn how he did it and how the petrification works in the first place!! (and for joel and kaseki to finally meet in general)

-drst has a habit of introducing a character in one arc and having them be Just kinda There for some time until they finally have their time to shine in a later arc, examples being minami and of course yuzuriha, so i'm wondering if the same will happen later on with some of the americans, charlotte seems like a good contender for this (the girl that suika saved in 185, i gotta wonder how she felt having to shoot down the people who saved her life)

-on that note i feel like matsukaze also still hasn’t had his time to shine or contribute in any unique way yet (other than exposition gdvdj)

-i was also really liking dr brody as a character so i was kinda disappointed that he just blindly decided to kill everyone in corn city instead of talking and trying to come to an agreement w them like he has been up till then (though i guess it was necessary for the plot🙄), interested to see what they do with him as well

-i wanna see stanxeno on screen makeout sesh 🙄!

-will senku not losing his petrification cracks be explained? if he still has them, will xeno, stanley, luna etc still have theirs too? (honestly i hope so, i don’t wanna have to stare at xeno’s big shiny forehead for the rest of the series gsdhgfd)

ok i feel like i've finally exhausted all the numerous thoughts i had sdfdfd thank you for giving me an excuse to ramble on for so long and congratulations if you've managed to make it til the end <3

in conclusion

[danganmbti]

Ah, I see you what you mean. I'm absolutely welcome to change and I'm interested in your reasoning. What types do you think they are?

As far as defending myself.. hm. I'd kinda need specific examples. The main reason why I pin Komaeda as an extrovert is because he gets very, very energized by external factors (interactions, ideas in the outside world, debating-- he can go on like a freight train) while Hinata gets pretty drained in the same scenario (even before then, he was the last one to join the beach party).. and he needs a lot of recovery time before interacting with people again. 

More of my thoughts under the cut. Mostly rambling though.

(Readers: No spoilers per se, but it helps if you've read his Freetimes.. and finished the game I suppose)

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However, Komaeda is an interesting case, since there's so many factors affecting him and his personality.. so he is hard to type. The fact that he said he might have a "quiet life" without his luck makes does make me think introvert.. I wonder how different his type would be. (ft5)

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Although, in the current story I do think he tries to force some introverted traits-- because he has a hard time interacting with others. This scene ... is a good example of him showing this. And this does appear to happen at first: in the classroom scene in the Prologue, he only says two lines. Now, this might just be speculation, but also "keeping his mouth shut" might even imply he might usually try to talk to people..

On a different note though, it's important to remember extroverts can be awkward and introverts can be outgoing; it has more to do with energy flow and preference. But

Generally I think he really does want to interact with others (regardless if he's lonely or not), and he's often really happy to. Seriously. (ch3+ Spoilers)

while he might not have been hanging out with the students, it's assumed that he's already made introductions and showed interest in them.

Plus, this statement by the all-knowing, added: "true personality"

which honestly makes think like .. this. 

so I think it's natural for him to approach people and give of a friendly demeanor, as assumed by Hinata in Chapter 1. Note that this gets lost due to events in Trial 1 though.. and his sanity, even. I'm not saying he's friendly all the time, or even nice to everyone, but he has a talent for it-- especially after reading his First Freetime. and I don't see any reason to push that over to luck.

Err but back to your statement? I don't think "difficulty conveying feelings into words" is limited to introverts... that might just have to do with his condition (x) (x) (FT5 SPOILERS in links!) as well.

..Still, extroverts can absolutely have this problem (it may not be as common but), especially ENFPs -- where in this type their feelings are specifically introverted. An often problem with this type is that people have a hard time believing what their saying about their feelings (anger, sadness) because their extroversion shows more than anything (in his case, his general attitude and his way of talking), and it commonly gets passed off... It also worth noting that the ENFP is often titled "the most introverted-extrovert" (x), and it's a common mistype.

I am an ENFP myself, though, so I admit I could be projecting haha. But these are my current thoughts. 

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The [actual-primary-reason] I think Komaeda might be an extrovert is I think he has (Ne) dominant extroverted intuition, defined as:

"Sees possibilities in the external world. Trusts flashes from the unconscious, which can then be shared with others." (mbti page)

(POV Manga, FT5 Spoilers)

 ..which I think is shown time and time again, especially throughout Dangan Island Mode, where he's a little more mentally stable. I think it's safe to say he's being honest here; he constantly tries to share his thoughts, and Hinata gets the gist of him.

The way he questions situations in the main story, theorizes on motives, and his general observations all contribute to Ne I believe.

However, they don't dive too deep, and often are just "flashes". He can quickly come up with a new theory or change his mind. His whole "Was that your 'Hope' ?" thing to Peko and Kuzuryuu at the end of Trial 2 is a good example of that.

He likes to share his thoughts, and he's pretty open and doing most of the talking in his Freetimes. Hinata even said at the end of in his Fourth Freetime, the conversation was onesided, haha.

This dominant function would make him either an ENFP or ENTP.

Quick Side Note: (that is, if you believe he's being honest when he's expressing himself. Personally, overall, I consider him pretty honest as his own voice actor has came out and said so , and the fact he got the lying disease.. etc etc. I don't see why he would lie then.. in the prologue example there, anyway.)

On that same mbti page, though, I did noticed.. the definition of (Ni) introverted intuition does sound appealing. If that is his dominant function, that would make him either an INFJ or an INTJ:

"Looks at consistency of ideas and thoughts with an internal framework. Trusts flashes from the unconscious, which may be hard for others to understand."

.. however, like you said, I do think it's more his feelings that are hard for others to understand. Komaeda has been constantly sharing his ideas, messages (which can be logical, like exploring the islands -- even Nanami agreed to this) .. but what no one understands the true meaning, or his feelings behind them.

perhaps this is just introverted feeling (Fi) manifesting, and that is what others are having a hard time understanding...

But back to intuition.

A good example of this would be Kirigiri, who has dominant introverted intuition (Ni), as an INTJ. You can just look at her and you can tell... a lot is going on inside. A deep framework on what's really going on in this Mutual Killing. She's on a mission. She may not verbalize it, and have trouble convincing others (like Togami).. but often, we feel like we can trust her. There's something great-- logical and caring we know-- warming up inside.

But with Komaeda, it's like the boiling pot is overflowing and the lid is falling off-- there's too much leaking out. You can look at him and it's all you see-- and it gets to the point where people in game (and I imagine many players too) have to tell him to shut-up. It gets to the point where people don't even care about his insights or messages, because they're so disturbed with the feelings that may be floating around it-- not that the messages themselves are that hard for him to convey.. he's visibly trying real hard it.. again, it's the feelings behind them.

But at the same time the messages he's giving often aren't that great either so it doesn't help.

Because of his way of expressing himself, I think he has dominant extroverted intuition (Ne) rather than introverted intuition (Ni).

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edit: Warning of ramblings below..? I tried to address somethings I've seen out there.

So I think he's a Ne Dom with Fi. I understand the INFP interpretation since that does have Ne too, but overall I think his ideas might be louder than the feelings behind them. Yes, there's absolutely feelings there and they are deep, it's just that I think he's talking too much for him to be an Fi Dom...

...with them, it's kinda like the Ni Dom thing, where there's a mutual understanding that there's some deep (introverted) feelings going on-- but many don't even reach this point with Komaeda. You really have to get past his messages.. or what I see as his extroversion, I suppose.

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He does have an attached worldview (which INFJs and even INFPs are renowned for), but it seems like he bending it too much to be concrete-- hence his way of 'siding with the culprits', and briefly changing his mind all the time. So that's why I don't think he's a Ni Dom too, or even a J. Sure, it's the side of 'hope'.. but again, I don't think it's that concrete. It seems like it's any hope he sees. (and there's personal reasons why he can't see beyond that)

On his worldview... (which is why I think some people type him as a J) .. we can't really confirm since we really don't know how he reacts to people outside shsl. But in my interpretation, it seems he still views himself somewhat lower than Hinata (Ch3+ Spoilers) .... so it may not appear as rigid as people paint it to be, Komaeda has even said himself that 'worthless people' can still help. Komaeda has a habit of appearing overly-blunt anyway, probably due to his conditions (FT5 spoilers). But his official profile even says he tends to say harsh things but means well, which was talked about around this picture, here (endgame spoilers in link!) . I admit I might be thinking too optimistically but even then, bluntly, Ps can still judge and not be nice to people (if you want to take that opposing view).

(This is just my opinion here), but I don't think his whole "worthless and worthy" people is that huge when it comes to his personality because: 

1) In his POV Manga it was his backstory they touched on at the start (not even mentioning the 'worldview').

2) In his Fifth Freetime and Drama CD he doesn't mock Hinata on his impression on him (in fact, he seems kind of comforted by the idea).

3) In the First Trial he said such mutual killing with "regular-worthless people" would be a "disaster" ....(so I guess you can take that as he doesn't see huge greatness in a bunch of "regular-worthless people" dying).

4) He seems rather indifferent when a certain person talks about "the world returning to the talentless".. he was like "oh well, it can't be helped" basically-- not spiteful or even agreeing that it's really bad or anything..

5) In Dangan Island Mode his time spent (or the ending for that matter) isn't about him learning about worthiness or whatever.. it's about real hope or even just enjoying the human experience.

..So, hope and despair, absolutely that's a big part of his personality. And he sees hope in talented people, and maybe not so much in talentless people. The two are connected in that way. But it's more than just talentless-worthless and talent-worthy I think. Moving on..

On the way he appears divides people.. it seems really more based on personal experience, as its states at the start of his monologue: "by observing the world around us" and "messages of hope". The lines such as "A small dog can never become a larger one" ...kind of serve as a mirror to: he could never change his luck that was given to him at birth. He could never really escape it, he could not change it, or become 'a person of worth' because of it. It is his reality. It is inevitable. So there's some logic to it. Even if that's not how the world works... that's how it works for him.  But for general things I think he's pretty flexible.

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As I stated earlier, I think he might be E as he just gets so naturally energized when he's expressing his ideas, thoughts, and actions.

..yeah, it doesn't look natural to us haha. but for him it is, he's clearly real passionate about it. (a link to audio of his monologue here just listening to his tone... oh yeah, and it gets to the point of violence where people have to stop him from expressing his views.)

***However, this interpretation is also if you don't consider all of this an act.. personally I think it's genuine. Doubting him for planning is the trap Hinata falls into, and he doesn't really do anything in both Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 (he had plenty of time to stirs things up in this update, but he doesn't really; heck even Monobear has to give him the disease motive).

The event in CH2 was mainly Kuzuryuu's doing (endgame spoilers in link! event explained at this sprite, here near the bottom) , not at fault of Komaeda's.. manipulation. I think Koizumi would have been killed either way, it's just in this case it was whether she knew why. And, in the end playing the game did kinda give her an explanation. (Some people consider that as some of his planning-Ni-characteristic so I thought I'd throw that out there.)

and I do say, Hinata willing played the game himself and willing lied to three people on the way there.. *grumble*Hinata. lol (although I guess that could be Komaeda luck too, but.. I still think that the conversation was extroverted on his part)

don't know where I went with the bullets but.. feel free to ask.

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense now and if I didn't directly answer you.. I kinda rambled. I do want to make a post in the future further explaining why I personally think Komaeda is the type I think he is with full structure, but again, feel free to question me on anything I said as I know I can get messy. I did recently collect some descriptions that I thought fit Komaeda pretty well in this post here.. so that might clear somethings up.

Now with Hinata.. I do admit that was more intuition of mine, haha. I don't have much to say at the moment, other than how I think he gets drained easily... this ... really kinda makes me think that. Took quite awhile to try open up.,

..  He is pretty assertive tho.

but, to be more clear, I think he has dominant introverted sensing, so that's why I think he is an introvert too.