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I don’t actually care about HP enough to dedicate more posts to it. Here I am wondering the intent of making arbitrary magic genders and it’s giving the lady who invented time travel for only one book and then pretended it didn't exist too much credit.

I’m glad I was never into this as a kid thanks to obnoxious Potterheads (a word so ubiquitous that MS Word auto-capitalized it) but I do genuinely feel bad for everyone who loved and still loves these books for their good elements watching their creator do horrible things with her money earned by their love of her work.

I’m here watching Disney and PJO’s creator make a much less severe mockery of my favorite childhood books, and I wish I could glue the rosy glasses back on.

Just maybe think before you come harass me in my anons, m’kay? I'm tagging appropriately and you're seeking me out to be mean. Be true Gryffindors and have some integrity. McGonagall wouldn’t stand for this cruel bullying of yours.

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This post is attracting radfems like moths to a bug zapper and it's quite funny.

Real quick though:

Deciding to make witch and wizard magical genders was lame and weird, especially because they didn't have segregated classes. If every student, gender regardless, is learning both witchcraft and wizardry, then what the fuck is the point of slapping arbitrary witch and wizard labels on them?

Deciding to make witch and wizard magical genders could have just been lame and weird, but no, now it begs the question of what exactly her intent was when making this decision.

It's kind of funny that the author who thought it was a cool worldbuilding idea to make "witch" and "wizard" magical genders later revealed herself to be a raging terf.

Like I'm semi-sure it wasn't done with that intention, but Freud would have a field day with the unconscious biases lurking in her work.

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Very bizarre choice, yes. But it also begs the question of how involved Hades was in this, and whether he was actually on his alleged son's side. He gives a shit about Nico, but caring about Nico and Bianca could have been in response to not giving a shit about his other kid(s) and look how they turned out?

All his characterization in TLT when he can actually stand up for himself suggests that he has zero interest or desire for war and more death because his domain is already overcrowded and that this 'evil' stereotype is defaming propaganda. Can't imagine this mindset is only 60 years old when Hades is as old as time.

Also still think Annabeth "Hades kids are evil" and "I need to hate you Percy because my mom hates your dad" Chase setting the stage for an innocent 10-year-old to suffer the most literal definition of the "sins of the father" trope wasn't played like the tragedy it should have been.

It's totally fine for a 13/14 year old to parrot BS rhetoric to look cool/get attention from their absent parent, but in a book series where godly neglect and the stereotypes that come from being a kid of a certain god are a problem and bad behavior they have to reckon with, hating on Nico being treated as acceptable, becoming the exception to the rule, was done in poor taste.

This is a series where Percy, son of the big three, was told repeatedly that he's a huge risk to keep alive because he might decide to burn the world down (and the gods didn't do much to ingratiate themselves to ensure otherwise, Percy is just innately heroic), meanwhile here's Nico, the backup to Percy because this prophecy must come to pass: "Oh that kid? Fuck him, let him be evil". They're lucky Thalia noped out and Percy didn't die young with how horribly they treated Nico and how little respect they had for him and Hades until they showed up and saved everyone in the Battle of Manhattan.

I love Percy as the protagonist, and I never want that to change. It would have been a very different story though, I think worth exploring, if he was a son of Hades instead and Nico was the missing Poseidon kid.

Percy spending 3 books not only with the "child of a broken oath" stigma hanging over his head but also "creepy son of the Underworld with powers that no one likes, wants, or respects, just trying to make friends and find a place of belonging but he's also maybe the prophecy kid that we're betting will destroy the world because evil is in his blood".

And then here comes Nico with a massive risk of replacing him, which we already saw with Thalia, because oooh, son of Poseidon? Now that's a kid we can get behind.

Luke would have had *so much* ammunition for a real conversation for Percy to question his loyalties.

The whole WWII thing and the implication that Hitler was a Hades kid was such a bizarre choice, but if that’s what we’re going with, I don’t really blame people for being awful to Hades and his kids. Like, a lot of gods have been responsible for a lot of bad things, but idk how Hades is ever supposed to live that one down.

Hades: I’m not taking orders from a guy who banged someone in the form of a swan.

Zeus: Shut up, your kid is literal Hitler.

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Tumblr's algorithm needs reading glasses. If I deliberately make and like "anti-percabeth" posts, don't show me posts tagged "percabeth".

Also I wish there was a midpoint between allowing these blogs on my dash, and blocking entire tags and people. I crave nuance that this system does not allow 'cause if someone has a good case to present but they just tag something I've blocked, I'll never see it. If someone's an otherwise chill person and just casually likes percabeth for aesthetic or something and isn't obsessive over it, I'll never meet them.

... But also the post I just saw that inspired this one was very much "awe she's so cute for being so violent all men need a woman like her"

Like I know there's people out there who can be normal about this ship. Sorry you're caught up in this mess.

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It's kind of funny that the author who thought it was a cool worldbuilding idea to make "witch" and "wizard" magical genders later revealed herself to be a raging terf.

Like I'm semi-sure it wasn't done with that intention, but Freud would have a field day with the unconscious biases lurking in her work.

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The other thing about the Cupid scene—dude came out of absolutely nowhere with unearned rage and smugness. I loved the drama in isolation, but in the greater context of the books, even juxtaposed with Tartarus, Cupid’s arrogance was unfounded.

Nico was just 14, and Cupid’s domain is only love. So Cupid decided that out of every demigod, every mortal’s abuse and so-called disrespect of love, little Nico di Angelo with his one secret unrequited crush, Nico is the one that deserves to be smacked around and humiliated in front of a virtual stranger. ‘Cause that’s the lesson we want kids taking away from this scene: “Lie” to your friends and you deserve to be forced out, you two-faced manipulator.

Meanwhile in other stories, the friend who decides his feelings are more important than his friendship coming clean to his crush who doesn’t feel that way and is already in a (allegedly) loving relationship, and now has to clean this mess up is usually treated like it’s bad and selfish (unless he's the protagonist in which case he's a brave hero).

Cupid acts like Nico’s committed terrible sins, like he’s got some obsessive stalkerish Percy shrine in his room in the underworld and is plotting Annabeth’s demise with a Voodoo doll. It’s just a crush, so insignificant to Nico’s life that we conveniently didn’t know about it until this moment.

Nico didn’t try to break them up, he didn’t treat Annabeth terribly, he didn’t make their relationship all about himself… until this book, at least when his character got assassinated. There are insecure jealous people who do a whole lot worse in the name of “love” that fly right under Cupid’s radar if this is what he thinks is deserving of his godly soapboxing.

Percy insulted Ares to his face multiple times and Ares wouldn’t stoop so low. He fought a twelve-year-old on a beach under the eyes of Olympus, and didn’t rig the fight in his favor. Dionysus, who hates Percy, had what I think is the best scene that came out of TTC—his moment with Percy on the roof of the Chrysler Building that gave him desperately missing depth and nuance—and he never showed such disrespect to the kids he claims to hate.

Maybe Cupid has “small god syndrome” or he knows Olympus is in shambles so he can get away with picking a dirty fight here, but the narrative sure didn’t treat Cupid like the bully he was.

I know it’s extra dramatic because Rick decided to pin all of Nico’s suffering over his whole life on his sexuality. As an adult looking back at that scene, all I can think is “Dude who tf do you think you are?”

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Been thinking about this.

I think he's an introvert just cursed with the spotlight and fame. He doesn't like the hero worship and he's friendly, but not eager to make friends. He'll jump in and save the day, but out of a compulsion to do the right thing. He'll make friends with the quiet kid out of compassion and duty. Probably also compounded by his self-image issues from being bullied. He also doesn't have a ton of "friends" just a lot of younger campers who admire him and a few more major characters that he spends some time with here and there. He gets roped into things more than he instigates things.

Jason is the extrovert. Jason happily taking the spotlight when he shows up at CHB to show off his roman sword. Jason automatically taking the leadership role where Percy has to be given it.

I mean these are fictional characters and trying to psychoanalyze them will be fraught with plot-born inconsistencies especially with this author, but we have Percy's foil and if one of them is an introvert, my money is on Percy.

question

Is Percy Jackson an introvert or an extrovert?

these character sights are confusing

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Aphrodite might have been the most misrepresented god of the Olympians given that she was reduced to lust and catty romance like a gossiping PTA mom.

Cupid, though, I would have loved to see that entire scene flipped on its head. No Jason. Nico goes alone to find the staff, and down there he’s confronted with Philautia, who’s there not to throw him around like a ragdoll, but be one of those therapists who asks the hard questions so their patient faces them.

A "Good Will Hunting" scene, if you will. Nico needed a Robin Williams real badly there telling him "it's not your fault" until he rips through the five stages of grief and believes it.

Philautia, self-love, coming to Nico to say “child, you are suffering and this is unhealthy. I’m not here to fight you, I’m here to help you, and you aren’t leaving with your prize until you accept my intervention.”

Ideally, he wouldn’t have been the suffering gay in the first place but this would have been a massive subversion of the “traumatic forced outing” trope. Cupid/Eros is specifically the god of lust. He was not the right choice to represent “your internalized homophobia is a bad thing” to a 14-year-old, nor was it his place to speak on behalf of the concept of romantic love. Cupid is a twink. Aphrodite would have had an absolutely wild redemption here and been deeply OOC because of all of her earlier characterization, but I’d have taken her, too, done with respect, if not Philautia.

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I remember watching season 1, already very wary, and when they started introducing the rest of the cast I remember getting to Clarisse and Luke and doing a double-take because, as much as Percy's blondness pisses me off, he's still got most of Percy's personality.

Clarisse, Luke, and Grover were just... fundamentally not their characters. Grover is not a confident smartass, he's a shy, nervous, twitchy, lanky satyr who's described as looking way older than he says he is because of how satyr aging works.

I don't actually remember these two in the show well enough to comment more on them because the show decided it was a good idea to cram half the entire book into two episodes, speedrunning critical development for characters like her and Luke. The Stolls, too.

The show wants to champion diversity so badly, find an actress for the daughter of war who isn't walking around with perfect ringlets in her hair and mascara on. Find a gruff, robust, Rosie the Riveter kind of actress who isn't conventionally attractive. Let her be scruffy and messy and uncouth. Let her be sweaty and banged up a bit from combat and have her hair in a lopsided ponytail. Let her be muscular like a wrestler, not a tiktok influencer.

**obligatory nothing against the actress, just the casting director and everyone else who should have known better***

This girl looks like she goes glamping in the family RV and gives the quiet kid the stink-eye for daring to sit at her lunch table. Wrong casting in every way.

Was also just reminded in this post that doing a live action remake/adaptation is doomed even more by the ages of the cast.

So.... everyone was on board with hating Logan Lerman being 16 in the movie, but crickets from the Disney stans now that their core cast will be 20 by the time Last Olympian rolls around.

Cool. Hypocrites.

Belated appreciation for Harry Potter in how they pulled off producing 8 movies from multiple directors and not having to recast anyone except Dumbledore. Daniel Radcliffe sure didn't look 17 in Deathly Hallows but Percy being 16 is absolutely vital to not just the prophecy, but the theme of the entire series of Greek tragedies where its heroes die young and brutally. Youth needed to be emphasized in this show.

Animating this would have solved so many problems.

I will not be watching Percy Jackson season two. Why? Because they fucked Clarisse over in season 1 and I don't want to see how else they butcher her. She was not like that in the books and it takes away from her character.

**(Dior and her acting are not the problem)**

Age Gap: Dior is almost 19. Walker Scobell is 16. (as of 2025) The age difference absolutely changes their dynamic. Percy is being harassed by a person who is three years older than him. That's not just bullying, like it is in the books. In the show it is made much more serious because of the age gap.

Personality/Appearance: Clarisse is proof that the writers (Rick included) do not understand the characters. Clarisse is a buff and intimidating girl that is not conventionally attractive (looking like a brute). She is angry in an aggressive way. In contrast, Dior's Clarisse is clean and perfect, and takes her anger out on Percy in a very calculated way. Dior's Clarisse is an Athena kid, rather than an Ares kid. Clarisse doesn't have to be masculine to be true to her character, but she shouldn't be that perfectly put together.

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Saw a post in my 'for you' feed with gifs from season 2 when I deliberately make 'anti pjo show' posts, and I guess I just need to avoid this fandom until it passes by because I do not care, I do not need to see people gushing about loving it, and I don't need to waste energy defending my stance on it, and when people fail to properly tag their posts so I can filter them out, it just makes me want to avoid the entire fandom.

Watch this be the show that gets 5 seasons and just won't die. If it was on Netflix it'd get the Netflix 3 Season Special and been lost to the 'where are they now' lists.

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Watching Sony effortlessly prove how easy it is to write a compelling, dynamic female lead (3 of them but I’m talking about Rumi specifically) meanwhile Disney/Marvel and other studios are whining about how hard it is and how ungrateful audiences are for the slop we’re given on average, was really, really satisfying.

KDH isn’t a unique story and it embraces several cliches—but it’s not trying to be something epic and profound—it’s a simple, robust story and it’s well told, well scored, well animated, and overall well executed.

Rumi is a supernaturally-powered lead singer of a world-famous k-pop band, on top of being an incredibly skilled demon hunter, and she doesn’t at all feel like a girlboss or a mary sue. She has flaws—her fears, her insecurity, her workaholic nature, her desperation for love and understanding. She loses a couple of her fights, she gets tricked by Jinu’s obvious manipulations. In her darkest hour she screams the core principle of her character: “Why didn’t you love me? All of me?”

Her victory feels earned, and she wasn’t a one-woman army out to prove she was amazing because she’s a woman. She relied on her team and the soul she was desperate to save and was allowed to be saved by his self-sacrifice.

She’s as girly as she is a badass, and immature in a childish way as she is wise and brave and jaded. In a 90 minute one-off(?) movie, Rumi is deeper and more multifaceted than some heroines in multi-book and multi-movie sagas.

I know I’m late to the party here but I watched this movie last night and all I could think was: “Yeah, it really is this easy. Everyone else has no excuse.”

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So there’s this discourse I was unaware of, in authors on here worrying about their fans shipping the wrong characters and I just…

Y’all are so ungrateful for the idea of having a fandom at all—and working with the assumption that you will automatically just have one large enough—that you’re going to come on here and whine about that fandom not being your little yes-man minions?

Maybe I’m an exception here ‘cause my books have a love-pentagon going on and several poly characters but ffs, never in my life would I dare to inject myself into my fandom just to pick on people who don’t support the canon ships. I’d be honored by every rare pair. I’d be honored by every reader who enjoys my work enough to get imaginative with it.

I’d be disappointed if my fans didn’t like the main canon ships, yeah, but so far that’s not the case and those who haven’t liked one of my characters have obnoxiously ableist blinders on and their opinions are irrelevant. People like them because I wrote compelling characters. Fanon ships overshadow the canon ship when the canon ship leaves everything to be desired—that’s a you problem, writer, not your fans’.

Toxic shipping wars are a different beast than the concept of those different ships at play and we’re not talking about those. Any ships that I might have an issue with—I’ve got some child characters and I can’t not think of them through an obligate aroace lens, literally every adult is on the table even in my own personal fanon rare pairs of my own characters—I’d just say ‘you do you, just don’t show me, alright?’

Respect and appreciate your fans, or your fans won’t respect and appreciate you.

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No but the fact that you cannot create Luke's tragedy without involving a sense of community in it. The way in which his lack of them shaped his canon self and his fate so much that it can never be ignored- for better or for worse.

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I would have voted for forced outing if I had to pick one, beyond all of the above, and the thing is… if Rick was queer himself, and wrote this from Nico’s POV as the tragedy that it is and not some lesson in opening up to your friends—when he and Jason weren’t exactly friends—I could see it working, if it was written with the tragic tone it should have had and not “this is your punishment for lying to yourself and your friends”.

Being forced out isn’t an uncommon experience, but as with any minority rep, profiting off the suffering and hardship that you yourself and your ancestors did not experience is almost always done in poor taste.

Write about queers if you’re straight, go for it! We shouldn’t be gatekept to just queer writers.

Writing from a queer character’s perspective suffering the trials of the coming out experience, or the dysphoria of being trans, or bi erasure, ace erasure, the overlap of being both poc and queer, etc, if you’re not any of those things… why are you setting yourself up for failure?

And to be clear—swapping Nico out for Jason to be a voyeur into his misery is not the solution to “not writing from the queer character’s POV”. I don’t think Rick would have handled writing from Nico’s POV well, and I think he knew it too so he didn’t, but if you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, just don’t write the scene.

Having Nico struggle with his identity and internalized homophobia wasn’t a problem. It was a problem when, because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, Nico’s whole character and personality got retconned through a gay lens. It was a problem when he had no support system and wasn’t allowed to look for one. It was a problem when he’s in a world run by Greek myths and somehow this boy was still allowed to suffer this homophobia. It was a problem when the narrative reinforced his “I don’t want to talk about it” argument so Rick didn’t have to deal with him and the mess he made with this reveal.

It was a problem taking a 14(?)-year-old kid and after years of a tormenting crush on one boy, he 180s practically overnight, is suddenly fine and over it, all so he can chase after a new boy instead. Give Nico time to be single, please! Give him time to figure out who he is and what he wants in a relationship. Give him time to be proud of himself before he dives headfirst into a relationship because you thought it would be cute for the goth/sunshine dynamic.

Making Nico gay wasn’t a problem, making him gay out of nowhere in book 8 of what we thought at the time would be 10, was the problem.

Giving Nico a crush on Percy wasn’t a problem. Destroying their friendship in the process of setting up this big reveal and then dropping the ball horrifically during their pathetically short and underwhelming conversation about it was a problem.

Straight cis authors should be able to write queer characters. Straight cis authors should also learn some humility and accept that they can’t write whatever they want carte blanche, because some stories just aren’t theirs to be told.

And if you're a straight author who wants to responsibly and respectfully include queer rep: ASK US. Hire queer sensitivity readers, talk to people who've lived these experiences and are eager to share them so this rep can be done correctly.

You won't be able to encapsulate every single flavor of the queer experience in one or even a couple characters (and shouldn't be expected to), but if Nico is what your "responsible and respectful inclusion" looks like, you have got a very long way to go in understanding even one queer experience.

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I'm a huge fan of rare pairs in any fandom, and I like Perpollo, and there's nothing I can add that hasn't already been thoroughly addressed by the above but I do want to share experiences from a different fandom that I wasn't even in, I just had a "friend" who complained all the time about them.

This "friend" grew up a fundamental Christian, and was in the ACOTAR fandom. They were a big supporter of the original het ship and pretty homophobic, though they wouldn't admit it.

And the thing is, without getting into the meat of that fandom, their morality policing was born from this age-gap ship between an infant and an adult character, aged up in fics and art (...mostly). My feelings on this concept aside, this one tiny ship in a terrible fandom for a terrible series was their justification to start snowballing into hating every ship beyond their beautiful, perfect, ship, because if this ship exists and is perpetuated by nasty people, surely there's nasty people lurking in all the other ships they don't like.

All things like, certain fics just shouldn't exist, if nobody wrote it, people wouldn't know about it and these concepts would die (so, pro-censorship all the way) dying on their hill of "but the p*dos!" in one of those arguments where, if you look like you're disagreeing, you look like you're justifying and defending the p*edos.

They were embarrassed to be associated with the unsavory side of the fandom and decided the best path forward was loudly coming on here and martyring themselves to "cleanse" the fandom. ACOTAR. As if it was ever pure and wholesome to begin with.

The same feels like it applies here with all of these illogical arguments--none of them actually care about the ship, they're just pissed that it's tainting their warped fantasy of a series that isn't already toeing the line of age-gap relationships by having adults with immortals--what, pray tell, is the difference between a 10k-year-old god with a 20 year old Sally, vs an 18-year-old Percy?

Toeing a lot of lines, actually, because Greek Mythology is not and has never been PG.

Fwiw, I like Perpollo from the angle of Percy not needing to be so responsible and careful and bending over backwards in a relationship to be the protector and savior who can never mess up as with Percabeth. Apollo is a god who can take care of himself and he's far less stuck-up and self-important than any other Olympian. He's neither a demigod who worships the ground Percy walks on nor a demigod who resents Percy for everyone he couldn't save, nor is he a mortal Percy has to hide half his life from or who won't ever understand that half if he shared it.

You don't have to like the ship, but you do exist in a fandom primed for these kinds of ships, and sticking your fingers in your ears citing hypocritical morality arguments so your delicate little soul isn't tainted by something you deem amoral... buddy just don't engage with fandom.

"Perpollo is wrong on so many levels..."

List to me, please. Why is it wrong? And who are you to decide if it is wrong. I would really like to know.

I have seen a few harpies going after a friend of mine, and their argument to invalidate why she dislikes Perc*Beth is hunting her down by shipping Perpollo.

I am not going to enter in anti-perc*beth discussion. My opinion on the matter is very much open. My only comment on that matter: people have the right to have a different interpretation about something - especially in literature - than yours.

Now let's address the elephant in the room:

• First argument: "Percy is a minor"

They used the arts to say that Percy was a minor to pass @ackerlikesmen as a non-relient person... and the fact is... No. Percy isn't.

Now let me clarify, since these people are as smart as Polyphemus to the point they need to be told word by word to understand something simple.

Percy isn't a minor in the art @ackerlikesmen did. She pointed out many times she aged up the character in her art.

While in a fandom, you can make art (be it on fanart, be it on fanfic) about a character and age them up on it. It is something pretty common... In any fandom you go. Especially in the ones you make modern au, or cafeteria au when the original setting is passed in high school or school. You will see plentiful fanarts about older Anya with Damian from spyxfamily, so they can write a fic where both of them are teenagers who have a crush on each other. Most part of these stories are literally: hurt/comfort, fluff, idiots in love, t-rated. You will see many fics in BNH about any ship in which they are adult heroes to make a ship sail. Even before the end of Naruto shippuden, people wrote tons and tons of fics and fanarts of adult!Naruto, adult!Sasuke, adult!Sakura, adult!Gaara to the point when the actual canon adult characters designs appeared people got disappointed with it.

It used to be very much commun in HP fandom as well when I was in it, to age characters up to write a more mature fic, or a fic which passes in a professional environment, such as a lot of drarry as magical-police officers fanfics and fanarts out there. There are many other couples I am not going to quote here, since it is not the point.

In the end, these accusations are not done in good faith. It is made up to make an appeal to ridiculous.

I am not inventing words:

"Appeal to ridicule (also called appeal to mockery, ad absurdo, or the horse laugh) is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worthy of serious consideration."

And to simplify your understanding:

Falacy: an idea that a lot of people think is true but is in fact false.

Ad absurdo is not sustainable in a discussion, much less in a debate. It is rather childish, in fact, to use it in such places.

Now with that said: there are tons of p*ercabeth fics and fanarts out there, way more than perpollo - or nicercy to that matter - with mature, sugestive content. As it is very easy to find their fans giggling over the stable scene, or implying the fact that Rick isnt innocent for making Percy living alone and Ann*beth having a hat that permits her to be invisible, or how you see many fans fangirling using the scene where Percy talks about "desert" with Ann*beth nearby. There are many other examples. You only need to search pjo in TikTok or Tumblr, and you will see it.

Where is your morality then, when you start fangirling and obsessing with the idea of two teenagers having sex while you are a grown adult? Where are your worries with "underage"?

Hands down. That is only a food for tought.

Eitherway: So the art you showned with "minor percy"? Debunked.

• Second argument: the age gap

Honestly, I find this argument with the immortal x mortal trope rather ridiculous. It can bother you, and it is your right to dislike it.

But in fiction an immortal is not bound by the same laws of humans, simply because they lived centuries and millenia. They are not humans, some immortals have never even been a human in some point of their lives. There is no "base IRL" to say how they would act and behave or the psychology of such beings. We never had contact with one.

They are myths and legends.

You are not going to see Lord Apollon walking down the streets of Creta, nor a vampire running around at night on London, or see fairies building something on a garden in ireland, or see kamis and yōkais in the forests of Japan. For many, these beings do not exist. (I am not going to enter in faith here.)

Every person they would have a relationship with, the age gap would still be huge. A lady, or a man, with 75 yrs old, would still be considered rather young to a being who have lived thousands and thousands of years if we take it to real world.

What it is a great time to remember: This is fiction.

And gods - and other immortal mythological beings - falling in love with humans are in every culture you can think of, and still exists in media to this day: From the terrible cringe romance between Edward and Bella from Twilight, to Jane Foster and Thor from Marvel (comics and movie).

In greek mythology?

You have Pelops and Poseidon.

Apollo and Hyacinthus

Hermes and Crocus

Many other examples to count.

If someone is writing about a divine, mythological beings in fics: It is up to the writer decide how they will write such beings in the narrative.

You may find criticism on the portrayal, but that will happen whenever you make something public.

Every fic I read of Perpollo are with adult!Percy, be it fem!Percy or not. That is for my comfort, because I am not comfortable otherwise.

In the end of the day: you have the right to dislike the trope, but not act as a pantheon of morality and condemn other people who likes it.

• Third argument: "They are cousins"

So is Ann*beth and Percy. Sorry to tell you this, but you can't decide when you use the "Gods don't have DNA in riordanverse" excuse as something valid and when it is not. You fall into a contradiction.

Point taken: it is greek mythology. I have read a few works of Sophocles (... And Jocasta and Oedipus was disturbing, ngl) and Hesiod. I can assure you, when I put my hands on any greek mythology related material, I am very much aware of my triggers, and I know how to deal with incest in these works. What most part of the PJO fandom doesn't seem to be mature enough to do.

One hypocrisy - not on you, i dont know your opinion regarding this - but I find rather funny in these discussions is how Lady Persephone and Lord Hades are put on a pedestal as the perfect couple in greek mythology by these people, when Hades literally kidnapped her. Persephone is his niece, Hades is her uncle. But I don't see many people out there condemning them for incest, abduction, and forced marriage. This is not related to the discussion. Now going back to the post...

• Argument four: "Percy hates the gods/Apollo"

Point one: That is a lie.

Point two: It is a crack ship.

Let me make it clear: Percy do not hate the gods as much as you believe he does. Actually if we take the books it is rather confusing how he feels about them. (Now. That is Rick's fault for not being consistent with characterization...) but

Percy canonically has very contradicting feelings towards his father from love to resentment. What it is fair, and realistic, with we are being honest.

Percy canonically goes to Atlantis, and canonically Amphitrite bakes him cookies.

Percy is canonically Hermes's friends.

Percy canonically cared for Bobby in the end of House of Hades.

Percy canonically respects Artemis.

Most part of the time, he seems indifferent or annoyed towards most part of the gods, with only a few exception such as Zeus and Ares. Annoyance, dislike and hatred are two very different things. Luke hated the gods. Percy does not.

Now about Percy hating Apollo: As a crack ship, the author can write anything about them. Literally. The only limit is imagination. He can make Percy start being friend of Apollon, surpassing his distrust on him. He can make Percy being indifferent of him at first. Or else. Or they can just jump and write "established relationship" so they can write a one shot fluff.

It is crack. It is supposed to be funny and relied entirely on imagination.

You wanna defend your case, use valid arguments instead of backlashing people for having a different opinion - and ship - than your own.

[sunelloise]

It took me over two hours to get through K-Pop Demon Hunters 'cause I'm the type of audhd that gets very overstimulated by fictional tension and have to pause a million times to shake it out.

But!

It was fun.

[sunelloise]

I checked out of this series after TOA book one so I'm unaware of any discourse around Will having problems with Percy.

That said this ^^ is a very, very good point.

I see your “Will hates Percy for what happened on the bridge” and raise you: “Will hates Silena for what happened on the bridge.”

Because Percy may have been the one to break the bridge, but why was the bridge so overwhelmed that it was deemed necessary? Silena.

The Last Olympian, pages 204-205:

Jake Mason cleared his throat. He'd been standing there so silently I'd almost forgotten he was in the room.

"Percy, something else," he said. "The way Kronos showed up at the Williamsburg Bridge, like he knew you were going there. And he shifted his forces to our weakest points. As soon as we deployed, he changed tactics. He barely touched the Lincoln Tunnel, where the Hunters were strong. He went for our weakest spots, like he knew."

"Like he had inside information," I said. "The spy."

Silena is canonically the actual reason why the Apollo Cabin got slaughtered on the Williamsburg Bridge, and I almost never see this even acknowledged, let alone explored.

Like, imagine being Will here. Your cabin, your family, has just been absolutely decimated by the battle. Your older brother, your mentor as far as TSATS tells us, is MIA, with certainty growing that he’s dead, and you couldn’t even help with the search because Annabeth was in desperate need of healing, and as the best healer left (as far as we know), you were her best shot at survival. Suddenly, you are now head counselor, and it’s now your job to ensure the survival of your remaining siblings. You are also 13.

And then, you hear that the reason why you were so overrun is because of the camp spy. That someone in your midst told the enemy that you were the weakest point of camp’s forces. That someone in your midst told the enemy that your leader, the one person they’re desperately trying to get rid of, was headed for your location. That someone in your midst is (in part) directly responsible for the deaths of your siblings. That’s already reason enough to hate the guts of whoever did it.

But then… the drakon. The Ares Cabin finally decide to show up, and you hear that Silena was the one who got them here, losing her life in the process. You now have to mourn yet another friend and ally. Then it comes out that she was the spy. That she was the reason most of your siblings are dead. That she was the reason for your other siblings’ lives now being on your 13-year-old shoulders.

And then… when the dust settles and everything’s over, she’s lauded as a hero. She gets the same honored sendoff as all the campers she helped endanger. Her shroud is burned right next to the empty shroud of your still-missing brother, right beside the other kids who she effectively killed. And based on what we see in HoO, “Silena was a hero” seems to be the prevailing opinion among the camp. Everyone just seems to have forgotten, or worse, are straight-up brushing aside, the massacre she caused.

Wouldn’t you be PISSED?