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The thing about "Not all men" is that the men it applies to don't need to hear it. Like any actual principled male feminist doesn't need to be coddled and reassured that he isn't a "bad person" just because he's part of a privileged oppressor class in relation to women. You aren't much of a "progressive", even in the loosest uses of that term, if systemic critiques cause you personal offense

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Episode 3 as a whole is a punch to the gut, but I believe one of the most important parts of it to me was the way they perfectly portrayed how violent men and boys will take advantage of “not perfect” victims to try and rid themselves of any responsibility for their violence.

Even at 13, Jamie is aware of that, subconsciously or not. He uses words like “bitch” and “slut” to refer to a 13 year old girl—a child he killed. He brings up her leaked photos again and again, talks about her comments and her treatment of him as if any of that should exempt him from his crime.

He already knows he has an advantage, for being a boy and having hurt a girl who’s not perfect and “pure”. The show drives this point home when that store’s employee tells Jamie’s dad he suports his son and talks badly about Katie. He says there’s more people who agree with him.

Because there are. The whole time, Jamie brings up “Katie was flat”, “she took nude pictures”, “she rejected me”, “she bullied me”. He still tries to paint her as the villain when he was the one who admitted he only pursued her because she was fragile and he wanted to take advantage of that.

He even claps himself in the back because he didn’t sexually assault her after he murdered her, as if that makes him a good person. (When he did in fact commit a sexual crime by looking at her naked pictures without her consent).

I think that’s the most vital part of the show. The way Jamie can’t comprehend what he did was wrong because he doesn’t view Katie as a person, not even in death. That’s his understanding.

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episode 3 made me so sad. as a woman, knowing this is how they see us. even so young. how the best he could think of was that he didn’t “touch” katie after killing her so that makes him good, right? it makes me sick. this world is so fucked up, that episode will haunt me forever.

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I watched adolescence on Netflix because my dad recommended it and I’ve had this thought and I just need to articulate it:

Jamie was caught so swiftly after committing the murder that a part of me doesn’t really believe that his initial intention was to actually kill Katie. Ryan admitted that it was his knife and that he thought Jamie was going to use it to scare Katie.

I think maybe that was his initial plan. He felt emasculated by her and probably wanted to extract some form of revenge, except, as we could see, she didn’t submit, she fought back — and in Jamie’s readicalised mind that would not fly, so he killed her.

Obviously the show never tells us exactly how it all went down, or Jamie’s exact motifs, what was going through his mind at the time — but I also think that’s sort of the point? Because it doesn’t matter. He still killed her and showed little remorse for it and I think it’s representative of how violence against women is often perpetrated.

Men will beat a woman to a pulp, and that final blow will take her life. They might defend themselves by saying: “I didn’t mean to kill her!” — but you still beat her. Still tried to exert power over her through violence because you think women aren’t subservient beings who should bow down to men.

Ryan gave Jamie a knife because he thought Jamie was going to use it to scare Katie. He didn’t think twice about the implications or to question it. Even if Jamie only used the knife to scare her, is that still acceptable behaviour? If he’d only harmed and not killed — does that make his actions less malicious?

Idk what I’m saying, just: something something violence against women doesn’t need to be planned out or calculated, it just takes certain resistance for men to feel like they need to use violence to exert power, and something something men who enable each others toxic behaviour are complicit in the fall out.

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So, I finally got around to watching Adolescence on Netflix and now I see why the manosphere is in full on damage control mode. This show did its research and did SO MANY things right because of it.

Firstly, they didn't have Jamie cartoonishly espousing his beliefs like a cartoon supervillain, because they did their research, and knew these boys are being carefully taught by the adults in the manosphere to hide their power level. They showed the full reality of what Jamie had become under the tutelage of the manosphere by letting their teachings silently guide his actions.

Second, they almost completely removed Katie from the conversation. That was so important because men would have jumped all over that to devalue the messaging by calling it another piece of feminist trash centered around women. Men were center stage in this, portrayed in respectful honesty, flaws and all.

Jamie's dad was legitimately an alright dude, but he had his family walking on eggshells with those tantrums of his, and I imagine the truth of that was such an uncomfortable but necessary glimpse in the mirror for men. My brother has never laid hands on a woman in his life either, but he has that same inability to emotionally regulate when he gets angry, and I think it was important for men to see what it looks like for the people around them to deal with. By centering the male experience in an honest way, in making a piece of media men might not completely dismiss outright, they get to see what they look from the point of a spectator's view, and that's so goddamned important.

Third, they left a lot of stuff about the Red Pill confusing and vague. This is going to spur parents to do more research, which is so fucking necessary, and it's going to keep the manosphere from saying, "Well, this and this and this is completely misconstrued." This is important because if we want legislation passed to protect young people from the Manosphere, we need to focus on the long term damage over time done to the psyche, on the actual damage they're doing to young boys, rather than focus on criticizing rhetoric they've got meticulously built dialog trees to defend. We need to build a case that the Manosphere is full of predators absolutely breaking the psyches of young boys for money.

Something I need people to understand is the Manosphere would crumble without adolescent views. If any of them go to meet-ups, you can see pictures with their fans, and they're just awash in a sea of tween and teen boys. It's fucking horrifying. We would do damage this pipeline would never recover from if we remove their access to children.

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i find it rather ironic how people are reducing the adolescence mini series to "was jamie a sociopath" and "did katie bully jamie", when the whole point of the show is how the manosphere and the alt-right pipeline is so violent and omnipresent on social medias that a 13 year-old boy who loved to draw and learn about the industrial revolution ends up thinking that women are worthless pieces of meat and that he's "one of the good ones" because he didn't rape katie, he just stabbed her to death.

edit: this post is NOT terf friendly!!!! im a transsexual dyke boygirl get out get out get out

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people need to stop with the rachel zegler hate posts and give us more compilations of gal gadot delivering her lines terribly instead!

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Rachel Zegler stronger than me cuz I would’ve commented LOL to the long ass paragraph Nepo Baby Who Actually Ruined A Project He Was In Because Daddy Wanted To Make Him the Main Character wrote on Instagram after slamming the door in his wack ass dads face

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Rachel Zegler: called a nearly 100 y/o movie outdated, asked to be paid fairly, said she was against genocide and ethnic cleansing, and is against a convicted felon as President

The internet: nArCiSsIsT!!!

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Not D*sney sending a big shot producer all the way to New York just to pressure a 23 year old new actress into deleting a 35 character “political statement”, while they sent extra security to protect Ms. Greenstein; who held mostly empty screenings for her propaganda movie

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They hate Rachel Zegler for being confident and unserious as a woman tbh. Only male actors are allowed to be flippant and disparaging about their projects - a female actor has to shower any film she's in with praise and admiration lest she come across as an ungrateful untalented bitch 🙄🙄🙄 everybody LOVED robert Pattinson for chatting shit about the twilight saga at all hours. But when Rachel doss it it's suddenly a problem. MISOGYNYYY

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Your father tried to intimidate a 20 year old woman for saying Free Palestine. burn in hell.

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rachel zegler is so much better than me because if i had to work with a literal war criminal who can't act for shit and a movie that used cgi dwarves and had a poorly written script and then was blamed for the failure of the movie because i had the guts to say free palestine despite being the only saving grace of the film, i would 100% crash out

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Abolish Tesla.

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