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rainbowdrop · 3 days ago

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Kind of- of part three of this ramble, now focusing on the after whatever happened that make every batfam member realizes about JJ, from Tim pov.

Tw: I haven't write like this in like 4-6 years

Part one here (Dick, Jason, Barbara and Bruce)

Part two here (Alfred, Steph, Cass, Damián and Duke)

Tim could see that something change, he didn't know what, but every time a member of the family looked at him, he kind of saw one of two reactions, the first ones looked at him as if they didn't know Tim, they acted more carefully and closed off as if they didn't know how to approach him, wich kind of break him, because after everything he was finally building or rebuilding the connections he had with his family, Dick had finally kind of explaining his actions of giving Robin to Damian and they were talking now and even if it wasn't as when they were the only two with batman, it was something, they were connecting again. With Jason it was strange, but after the hole replacement thing was explained over and Jason was kind of better with Bruce, Jason even sometimes started acting as a big brother to him, and some days Tim would come to Jason safe house because he didn't want to be feel alone in his empty apartment and Jason would let him, there was even some strange days where Jason would even read out loud some of his books to him. And even with Damian was getting better, sure, they still bicker around or even fight from time to time, but they could work together as a team, as a duo, without to much problem, and most of the arguments were mere jokes and teasing on most days. And the worst of all it's that it wasn't only them- it was also Cass it was Steph it was even Duke-! And he didn't know what had happenend, what did he even did to cause that recation- his mind was running trought every reason as to why- because it has just been two days but he couldn't take it anymore, the sad even scared faces when Tim locked eyes with any of them, how they seemed to treat him as something fragile who could broke, they almost bench him- without telling him a reason-!

And then there was the other reaction... Barbara, Bruce and even Alfred, even if they were the most stoic of them all, or I'm the case of Barbara just knowing her emotions just over the comms... he could read them, and they looked guilty... at him- as if they knew the reason of why the others were acting strange- but they also wouldn't tell him. Not now at least... It didn't seem like it would result to anything of he asked.

Within the third day he was itching, he was stressed, he couldn't wait until one of them told him- he already make up a list of the possibilities of the why's of this reaction, he recalled all his recent past patrols and outside missions with the Young Justice and try to recall a mistake or something he said or maybe some action he did wrong, he even checked the reports he and the others made about it, but there wasn't anything on any of them, then maybe it was something on his civil life, since it seemed to be only the Bats that acted different. But again even recalling all of that with his paranoid brained he didn't come with anything that would cause that reaction of ALL of them that way... So when he wasn't able to sleep on the third day in his safe house (in patrol he almost went to follow Jason to his safe house... But he remember just the same moment that he couldn't and something in him ache when he forced himself to turned around to his own apartment) he decided to finally investigate for real, he went to his computer and connected it to the Batcomputer system, because at this moment if no one would tell him anything, then he wouldn't care about Babs or Bruce founding out.

It didn't took to much, it really was easy to found out what they saw... the files, since for more easy access the more recent cases where shown first and when he checked all the ones he was aware of- he fall upon one... There in between all the others it was a name file that just by the sight of it bring all the old pain all over his body as if it was the first time just for the name of it... All the dots connect themselves, he didn't know if some of the people that knew told the others or if they found out by accident and then tell the rest... He just knew that this was the reason...

He didn't part his view from the screen, he didn't knew how long he just stare at it... As his mind recall everything that was written on it, and old memory, after everything, he sometimes just couldn't stop himself from reading everything over and over again, because sometimes it feelt so unreal, to far away to be him the one to suffer that, but each time he saw the tapes, each time he read Bruce forcefully stoic writing of what happened, read the not so stoic written part of Batgirl, and how even trought it was just words he could hear her cries as she write the report... He didn't open the folder as he knew by memory all the conten... And between all the memories... He didn't realize when his hands started to twitch, didn't notice the soft giggles than later became a strong but twisted laught, didn't notice as his cheeks ache from smiling for who knows how long, he didn't even feelt the wet but hot tears as they went down his face...

#batfam #tim drake #joker junior #joker junior tim #idk how to tag this #i just love to trauma dump my fav characters #tim drake centric #trauma #joler junior trauma

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rainbowdrop · 4 days ago

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Second part of the members of the Batfam with Tim/JJ

If I discover how to link part 1 here

Alfred, he cried when he saw Tim back, he was the one that give the suit to Tim, he was the one that send him to that- he broke a kid in order to save his son(it was worthy? Not at all, more when he started to see a grandson in him) and now the consequences are in his face, a laught that travels his body everytime that Tim is in pain, scars that weren't there before, now taint all of Tim's body, not only on his smile and how its deformed into that haunting smile, but lingers of scars of electricity that goes trought all his body, and now that agile hands that typed away on his computer, now tremble and tick as if the electricity never left his body, he sees every change on the boy, not only physical but now every little mannerism, sometimes he walks more rigid more robotic, how sometimes a flinch of a smile tries to appear when something bad happen, how the boy looked so lost in that mind and stayed a bit more silent that usual, he saw the way Tim walked a bit faster in each mirror on the manor. He was able to see it all and he knew why he did all that, and he knew that he was the one to put that suffering unto him by putting a weight not child should ever carry.

Steph (I don't know much about her but I will give it a go) When for whatever reason she discover about JJ (probably by accident or coincidence) she was devastated, because that was Tim, she should have known, if not when they were dating, then for sure Tim could have tell her after they rebuild their relationship and became friends, she in a way feeled betrayed (at first she was mad, she maybe yell at Tim or maybe didn't talk to him for a while after she found out) because after everything they went trought and all that they became after the fight and the lies- she tought they could never lie to eachother, not about something so important, but after she tought about it and try to see it from the point of Tim and how he probably feeled after, and how she knew how he saw himself.. well she truly feeled still a bitad and sad and dissapointed, yes, but... she understands- the impact that something like that does, and the fact that Steph knew Tim, amd how he always needed to give the facade that he was fine and strong, because even after everything, she knew that he didn't like the rejection of others, the possibility of because of that, people would see him different (because they would, she now sees things that didn’t seen as much before, but now it showed the other side of Tim, another side that he probably was ashamed or even afraid of showing up) and she knew she couldn't stay mad forever, more when she did also lie to him before, so maybe one day she would just appear in his department, with some pancakes althat where a bit messed up, and they would talk about everything and nothing while they eat it... and maybe one day she could ask him about all, and maybe he would answer.

Cass, she knew something was different in Tim, he didnt move as the other ex-Robins, because even if they all grew and change they still carty some of Robin of him, and even if Tim still did, it wasnt the only thing, maybe she takes a bit too long to the pieces to fall into place, and she would blame that Tim and the Joker or Tim and Harley were never in the same place (and how she never saw Joker aside from old videos or stories, or how he affected her new family) so she could never make the conection- but in reality she just couldn't accept that Tim sometimes acted as them, because why his little brother just seemed seconds away of smiling and even laught in some of the realted Joker cases?(like an imitator or someone using his gas) How his little brother could sometimes gets a bit to maniac and a bit to loose on his moves that he "accidentaly" hitted some goons harder that he should (it took awhile to notices but she realized that those happens after one of those said goons mentioned or joked about the topic of Joker, or the time Robin dissapeared-) but the longer she look the longer more pieces came and came that were to hard to not look into and she knew something was wrong with his little brother and that it somehow conected to the Joker but she didn't know and she didn't know if she should ask, or how she could ask so she just stayed there looking observing him, hopping that Tim would tell her or show her more easily what it was- but he never did- and the day she finally found out it was like a bucket of ice water, she was just looking nowhere, without moving, and for the very first time... she was scared... because it scared her, not only of what Tim went trought, but because she feared that if she moved from that state of shock and daze, she would do something that she feared- she feared she would become what she was trained- (and some dark part of her the kind that sounded like her dad- told her to do it, to empower what she was meant to be and give that clown a piece of mind)... and she was like that, she couldnt know how long, until she could move again, even if a little tense, because she feeled relief, at the realization that she couldnt do that- because and wasnt that a surprise- it seemed that Joker was long ago dead.

Damian, he didnt understand it at first, all the signs that he saw how Tim tremble, the way Tim holded his laughts, and how for around three weeks per year Tim wouldn't leave his room or just stay still looking at particularly nothing, it was annoying, Tim was so weak and pathetic, he didnt know why Bruce nor Alfred wouldn't say nothing about it, how they would just look just as empty at Tim- how even sometimes they couldn't look at him or look at how they saw at Jason, but even then didnt fight him to patrol or do anything and just mostly let him be (it was confusing and that anger him, Tim clearly was weak, more than any of them and yet Tim was still part of the vigilantes and still held a hight reputation in the team) but with the years and the help of Dick, and sometimes Bruce and the rest of the family- he still didnt understand the why of it, but he wasnt as angry as before with Tim, sure he was pretty useless those weeks but he could acknowledge that other times he was also one of the smartest and Strategic people, so he let it pass those moments when Tim looked like he was about to collapse at any moment (and maybe, because he didnt knew how to act towards it- he now understand that as... as a brother he should do something... but he didnt knew what, it wasnt something they ever taught him, and even after all of these years with the family, opening up to emotions and conversations wasn't one of their strongest) so those days he wouldn't bicker around him as much as he would normally do, and even some days he would bring Alfred the cat with him and accompany him in silence... because he never knew what to say or how to start... but when he trully found out, it was extrange, because even after all these years the feeling became as easy as it did all those years ago, he could phantom the feeling of his blade and he could phantom Joker face in front of it- because to knew such a man had a impact on most of his family team was unbelievable, and if the man wasn't already dead he would have done it himself, he wouldn't care about father rules right now, and he was kind of dissapointed that it had to be Tim the one, that by accident, was the one to put the end to the Joker. Because a part that he tought was erased appear, a tought that maybe Bruce should have broke that damn rule at least for just that monster...

Duke, he sees a different outcome of what his family, or even him could have become if maybe at that time he was more close to the Batman and not just some "random citizen" he had seen first in line what the Joker can do- and that Tim had to survive with that maniac for three weeks? Alone? He tought that maybe Tim was kind of aware of how he was being turn into a version of the Joker, maybe just as his parents Tim was able to tell how bit by bit he lost his sanity to the torture of the clown. And he was gratgul of how strong Tim was, maybe even proud- because he knew the extent of what Joker could do to one's mind and that even after that Tim continue to fight for the people that needed it but couldn't achieve ot alone? And that even if he wasn't the same mentally he still got up and fight of whatever brainwash he got trought until he could fight again. He saw Tim in a new light a stronger and brighter than it was before, even if it was somewhat tinted by the Joker, it still came as bright and powerfull, he was inspired by what Tim overcome and what he became afterwards.

Next part here

Sorry if any of this came a bit Occ, I try not to- but i dont know much about these characters as the others I already did

#batfam #batman #tim drake #joker junior #joker junior tim #alfred pennyworth #stephanie brown #cassandra cain #damian wayne #duke thomas #maybe occ

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rainbowdrop · 5 days ago

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yes.

I know the concept of Joker Junior actually has zero basis in comics canon and especially not with Tim Drake, like it's all fanon inspired by a single scene in a DCAU movie so he doesn't truly exist as a character in his own right

but also consider: he's real and he lives in my brain.

#so true #he is my baby #so much trauma #joker junior tim #joker junior

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rainbowdrop · 5 days ago

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Joker Junior-brainstorming

I like so much the concept of Joker Junior- like all the trauma that a person had to go trought to get to that point, the future psychological damage, like the scars, the new fears or even phobias, the triggers (like electricity, obv Joker, like could you imagine that he couldn't get into any cases of the Joker gas because he can't look at the smiles of the victims, without replicate them? Without making that nightmare infuel smile? And even if he hate it every moment of it, couldnt stop doing it? Because he was supossed to smile no matter what?)

Or, or like the hc that he laughs when he is in pain, bc that's what he had to do to survive? What Joker technically teach him and now it's just his normal response and he has to push it down because then he couldn't stop and he would just laught until the pain stopped or he couldn't breath because of how much he laughs?

Like the concept of the future and actual members of the family in the moment of that timeline are felling because of this?

Like-

Dick seeing a second Robin, the legacy that he accidentally create, being doomed by the Joker again? and that he wasn't there for the two of them, how he was late to found out- he couldn't be there and get in time he was to late (and also angry, angry at Batman, at Bruce, at his mentor, his father, for never telling him, he had to found out about Jason later, and then he never knew that Tim was missing by three weeks- and what happen on those weeks, he wasn't there for any of his baby brothers, couldn't protect them and held them for the danger)

Jason now just not only seeing a replacement in Tim but an equal in many ways, a Robin that also was trapped and torture and changed to a point of not going back, all thanks to the Joker (and also if he is angry at Batman in the og timeline, he would be damn pissed at Batman, because he couldnt understand why he let another Robin, another child, to suffer trought the Joker again, let him wear a doomed cape and let him fight a war to big for any child (but, he would never understand, or maybe nobody would tell him, that it wasnt Bruce choice, that Bruce wasnt in the right mind space to let Tim go- because even if he was a child it was one of few strands that hold Batman as it is together, and nobody at tje moement was able to pull him back together as Tim did))

Barbara seeing a kid that (for what I understand) she sees as a little brother become so broken, so unrecognizable for what he was, the kid, an intelligent and capable Robin, the one filled with determination in becoming what Batman needed... turn apart over and over and over again until there was barely nothing of it, in front of her, when she first saw him, he was a hollow puppet molded by Joker and Harley that then, it becomes an even more broken kid that in that state of mind, tought he killed his father(Joker)

and

Bruce obviously with the guilt of all of it, and more because with Jason he got like the hit of reality, because before that, with Dick, he obviously knew that there was a risk, a chance that Dick could die, but that isn't as powerfull or revealing as actually seeing it happen, knowing what it feeled to be to late, that even him being a billionaire, and Batman and the greatest detective, he was to late to save Jason- and even knowing that... he still let Tim be Robin- (and some deep part of his mind knows that he wasn't the one to put the suit on him, he didnt choose him...) initially, but he let him continue, even when Bruce was getting better mentally bit by bit, he let him continue being Robin, because, the actual stronger voice was telling him to keep him as Robin, he was being selfish for indulging of the idea of keeping Robin, a sidekick, someone who would look at him as if he hold the stars and moon and would protect him for everything and everyone- but he failed- again- and the what if's if he maybe tried harder to stop him to try something different, to push him away harder, it eats him alive (he wasn't in the right mind, but for him isn't an excuse, he is the adult, and he should have acted like it- should have never allow it once he was right back in his own feet- maybe should have never accepted him as Robin (even if it was Tim who keep pushing himself in- he shouldn't accept it- he shouldn't have gone soft and- and start to care for the kid- he should have cut it right then and there- but Tim as he is, manage to push himself in Bruce's hearth and he indulge him- and himself with the idea that a Batman needed a Robin- but he should have knew better))

I was gonna write like the rest of the family- but damn- this whole thing get out of hand... maybe tomorrow if I have the inspiration.

#tim drake #joker junior #joker junior tim #batfam #im obssesed #i just love him #so i put tons of trauma to him #just for laughs #i love to suffer #and my favorites characters to also suffer #thats how i cope #batman #dick grayson #bruce wayne #jason todd #barbara gordon

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rainbowdrop · 6 days ago

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Ok next fan thing that i really like about Tim but it isnt canon, so I'm gonna play with the concept and give it a new light:

His love for coffee/caffeine

Now hear me out, or not because again- this is pretty much based on other people posts and the internet not the actual canon(maybe one day I will read it but right now I don't want to read tons of comics(but if anyone had an easy read of comics of Tim maybe I could indulge myself with some))

So, what if the actual reason Tim like and consumes caffeine isn't to like stay three days straight up awake but to actually stay awake eought trought the day?

(I have just read that caffeine not only just is like a stimulate thing but like it's connected to the fact that it increases dopamine levels(wich i think is also the one affecting the sleeping thing) and with that facts like pleasure, motivation, controlling memory etc)

And by a coincidence a reason for having low dopamine levels... can be bc of stress... I don't know ... but being a full vigilante in the night, having a ton of villians and attacks and family drama and on top of that he is also the CEO or a really important position on the WE- like that man it's barely managing his life. So like what if the coffee isn't like making his dopamine levels super hight but actually like how they are supposed to? Like he can function normally thanks to the coffee/caffeine

But I don't think these idea can work with like energy drinks because those things are like super extreme in their caffeine intake with just one can, so... maybe like a cup of coffee or even some tea? (I have heard that they also can have caffeine and it can work, like Alfred serving him a cup or two because he seen the boy without it and knows he needs it)

So this was initially like and ADHD! Tim- like I have heard that the coffee in those situations are more like the opposite or different to the normal outcome you would think about drinking coffee, like I read it help with concentration or that it helps sleeping. But 1) I don't know a lot about ADHD and I didn't want to create like misrepresentation of people with actual ADHD and 2) As much as Tim is my favorite character of the batfam, again I haven't read any comics so I don't feel like fully "capable" of putting that label to him. So I go with the stress route instead to explain his low levels of dopamine.

But I don't know if anyone has a tought on this or has ADHD for like the other concept, or like want to recommend a comic and a place to read it for me to better know Tim, please do.

#tim drake #batfam #red robin #batman #alfred pennyworth #idk how to tag this

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rainbowdrop · 6 days ago

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“this character is dead” to you maybe. I don't know where y'all live but I live in denial

#isha arcane #arcane #isha is alive #what do you mean #???

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rainbowdrop · 7 days ago

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Tim concept(? (Im new to Tumblr so- yeah)

TW: I haven't read anything (and I mean ANYTHING) Canon of Batman or similar I just have seen the DC movies from this last 10 to 15 years and had read a thing or two of what is Canon or not in tumbler or tiktok- so yeah if you don't mind then... read it if not, then dont read it and pass it off :)

(Also english isnt my first language)

Ideas of Tim Drake and the like, bc I got bored of the AI and honestly it's just a repetitive shit of the same words over and over (no shit Sherlock its based on replicate people works so yeah obviously it's just a copy of a copy but I was bored and needed a form of indulging in my obsessions before knowing tumbler and when I didn't have the energy to reading a whole fanfic)

I like the Canon fact that Tim sleeps everywhere but also the hc that he barely sleeps because- the batfam almost never acknowledge their health issues because they have ton of them and they prefer to ignore it, so I imagine like a Tim Drake like- sleep the 8h or 7h he needs but not like normal people do that they sleep the 8 hours in a go, but instead he is like how ants do it- like he takes small naps everywhere and anytime one after the other (the ants take like minute naps and they sleep around 4 hours in total, obviously for tim it wouldnt work that short naps so they are a bit longer but the naps dont reach an hour) so you will never see him sleep for like a lot but he has his 8 hours of daily sleep and the batfamily can't say shit to him because he does sleep.

So he I don't know was working in a case and then boom he collapse on it for around 20-30 minutes and then he will wake up and continue working like nothimg happens, or maybe even after a few years of him being robin/red Robin he could even in the more calm nights when he is like with Dick or Batman or idk someone he trust he will just take a lil nap (I imagine those are like actually shorter(like 5 to 10min) and it's like those naps of school when you are nodding off but not fully sleeping but it actually helps and you don't feel that tired anymore)

(Obviously I don't know how healthy it is for a human in the future terms, like I'm obviously not a doctor or something similar so I don't know if this is like possible for like humans to actually do, but I imagine if it's somewhat possible, it's Tim who can manage to pull it trought)

#tim drake #batfam #batman #dc comics #idk how to tag this #im new to this #please help #red robin

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