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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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YOU NEVER MISS

could you do the crush thing you just did for ISFP but instead ESFP? thank you :D

Since ESFPs are too often stereotyped, I’ll try to give a more nuanced reply. ESFPs are so responsive to the external world that they are not always in touch with their inner world. As a result, when they see someone they like, they will immediately know it, but they may find it hard to decide what to do about it. ESFPs who have a stronger sense of Se/Te will probably be more bold and proactive, admitting their feelings without much hesitation. But, usually, these types of ESFPs are in it more for the chase than actually wanting a lasting/close romantic connection.

ESFPs who are more in touch with Fi/Ni will find themselves with an unexpected inner whirlwind to contend with when they develop a crush. Fi will compel them to protect their own feelings, making them hold back from pursuing a crush immediately. On one hand, Se enjoys the dramatic flood of emotions that Fi brings. On the other hand, Fi can be full of trepidation because of an underlying fear of being exposed, humiliated, or rejected, especially because ESFPs are generally well-liked and confident in front of others. In a way, this natural aplomb can amplify their insecurities because romantic feelings are a high stakes endeavor. They may even unconsciously resist a crush because they do not like the feeling of ceding control of their inner emotions to others. This Fi insecurity can be further exacerbated by inferior Ni, which can make them swing wildly between extreme confidence and extreme doubt. If they are not sure whether the person will reciprocate, any visible “sign” from them can be a source of emotional turmoil, pushing them in and out of the conflict between their Se love of excitement and their Fi need to protect emotions. Thus, ESFPs who are more in touch with Fi/Ni will tend to proceed more carefully. If they decide they do not want to pursue the crush for whatever reason, they may find it difficult to behave normally and be a bit awkward in front of the person because they feel like a “fraud” in hiding their feelings (since Fi pushes them to be true to themselves). If they decide they DO want to pursue, they will try to capture the crush’s attention by appealing to what they think the person might like/enjoy. They may (more intensely than usual) show off some skill/talent, lavish attention and encouragement, or joke/tease. They will naturally seek opportunities to be nearby and deepen the friendship, becoming more and more forward if they feel the person is reciprocating. Sometimes, these efforts will result in the other person making the first move, which will spare ESFPs from having to take any real decisive/direct action.

From the other person’s perspective: You cannot be sure that an ESFP likes you until they are certain that they want to pursue you; until then, it will be a guessing game. If they only have a slight sense of liking you, they may act on it in more unconscious or spontaneous ways. Generally speaking, you can tell an ESFP has a crush on you if they want to spend a lot of time with you (and don’t get bored with you), and they try harder to impress you. But, if they were wanting to hide their feelings, then you’d have to look for them to suddenly behave a bit awkwardly or even uncharacteristically subdued, timid, or erratic around you.

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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What do you think of the theory that using your dominant function is so natural you don't notice it? If that's true then would focusing on your auxiliary be the best way to type yourself, or your weakness, a.k.a your inferior?

At first, maybe. But when you get a sense of what it is, you start seeing how much you use it all the time and how easily is for you to access it. It’s way easier to see extroverted functions in yourself for obvious reasons -- they aren’t me-based and subjective, they are universal, easy to understand, easy to describe, and easy to notice. The minute I read about Ne, I knew I had it somewhere in my stack -- an ex-expanding worldview and having things generate lots of ideas in me while watching / reading / thinking about them? Oh yes. And even when I assured I had Fe, I kept weirdly relating to Te stuff. No wonder. ;)

I recommend looking for an axis and not just one function -- you’re not an ENP without inferior Si, you’re not an INTJ without inferior Se, you’re not an ISFP without inferior Te. Always look for “a pair.” Gather evidence and keep track of it, as if you need to prove your type -- because you do. Assume you are somewhere in between a stereotype of your type and... not. And you should be able to relate to the strengths and weaknesses of all your functions.

Go ... overall, what works for me? N or S? T or F? P or J? What’s easier for me, what do I PREFER (winging it, planning), do I care about people or impersonal interests more? What makes me feel insecure? What do I like to do / think / talk about when I’m allowed to do / think / talk about whatever I want? What am I the best at? People who know nothing about type have called me “very intuitive” before -- what do people say about your flaws and your strengths? What do they come to you for, logical advice or emotional discussions? The big picture or the details? What do you “bring” to other people?

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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Hello. Is Ti, the ability and interest in solving complex puzzles or mind games? And are Ti dom and aux people, the only people good at debating others without getting bored or hurt? I ask because I know an ENTP youtuber who's a debate coach. He sort of determines Ti by conditional logic and the ability to solve puzzles and mind games, (and debate for a long time without being hurt or emotional). Also, since Ti is subjective, are Ti viewpoints and judgements irrational and personal?

No. A general point: The way many people learn about personality type is by picking up disorganized bits and pieces all over the internet (sometimes from dubious sources) and then they wonder why they get confused. One of the learning problems I commonly see in students is trying to run before learning how to walk, which should be remedied by learning things in the right order and with the most effective methodology. I see people try to identify specific judging functions like Te vs Fe when they haven’t even understood the basics of what T, F, and e are to begin with. Or people try to apply type theory without knowing the technical meanings of academic terminology, so they get lost in misconceptions. In your case, you’re trying to understand the advanced concept of Ti without a good grasp of basic principles, and you lack clear definitions of the words you’re using, like subjective, irrational, personal.

1) In type theory, all perception functions are irrational because they do not require any reasoning to process information, and all judgment functions are rational because they all require reasoning to process information.

2) In type theory, all introverted functions are subjective, and all extraverted functions are objective. Subjective is not equivalent to personal, although, to be fair, people (myself included) often use the two words interchangeably, so it’s easy to get confused.

“Personal” means that you are viewing the situation through “psychological lenses”, e.g., in terms of how it makes you feel, how it affects your body/mind, how it changes your plans, etc. Your sensations, feelings, ideas, and plans all “belong” to you and no one else. You basically generate them for your own purposes. No one can ever know exactly what your personal experience is because no one can ever wear the exact same set of psychological lenses that you possess. This is the basis for claiming that every person is unique.

“Subjective” means from the vantage point of where you are standing. There are many possible vantage points to stand on. The vantage point doesn’t “belong” to you because you’re not technically generating anything personal. You could easily move to a different vantage point, and someone else could just as easily come stand where you were standing to see what you were seeing. The picture of a situation may shift dramatically when you change a vantage point and new facts get revealed. This is the basis for claiming that one is able to get closer to objective truth by incorporating more vantage points. The word “objective” refers to universality, i.e., the things that are always true and/or don’t change significantly with vantage point.

Thus, personal is always subjective insofar as it is seen from a particular and singular vantage point, but subjective is not necessarily personal. It is possible to change your subjective vantage point without substantially using/affecting your personal psychological lenses.

3) In type theory, T functions are considered to be impersonal because they do not utilize any psychological lenses to process information - they only use plain factual and empirical information to make judgments and draw conclusions. F functions are considered personal because they rely on psychological lenses to process information - they need to know how people feel in order to make judgments and draw conclusions. Accordingly:

Fe is rational, objective, inter/personal*

Fi is rational, subjective, inter/personal*

Te is rational, objective, impersonal

Ti is rational, subjective, impersonal

*F is personal and interpersonal because it primarily uses feeling states to reach a judgment/conclusion, irrespective of who the feeling state belongs to.

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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What are the biggest advantages/disadvantages of having each function as dominant?

Ne - immediate big picture referencing and broad analogies; being unrealistic and disappointed by reality.

Ni - far-reaching future hypothesis and singular in perspective; being unable to alter your course and being out of touch with sensory reality.

Se - immediately able to shift in the environment and work it to your advantage; being too rooted in the present to consider the consequences of your actions.

Si - exceptional capacity for details and in-depth knowledge; being unable to read between the lines successfully and anxious about the unknown.

Te - immediate capacity to organize facts and make logical evaluations; being out of touch with your inner values and dismissive of your own feelings.

Ti - immediately logical and able to analyze for inconsistencies, in a quest for pure logic; being out of touch with your moral responsibility to others.

Fe - immediately able to understand what benefits everyone and prioritize their needs over your own preferences; often out of touch with your own needs and operating out of a sense of ‘obligation’ rather than genuine affection.

Fi - immediately able to understand what matters to you and stand by it through a sense of what ‘sets you off’; often too reliant on “do I like doing this?” to find a job that pays the bills.

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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Sensing and Intuition - How You Take In Information

(by Quixote Consulting)

“You do not see things as they are. You see things as you are.” -The Talmud

Sensing and intuition are two different techniques of perception – how you see things. When you take in information one of these preferences dictates what you notice, what you think about, and what’s important from the information available to you.

This preference pair, the second in the Myers Briggs Type Indicator, is a kind of filtering system. What information do you trust and believe most when taking in something new? Is it your five senses (sensing) or insight and imagination (intuition)? What do you pay attention to - pattern and possibility (intuition) or facts (sensing)?

Here are some words and phrases often associated with the two types. What’s the type that you prefer more often? If you’re having trouble deciding, it’s sometimes easier to use the process of elimination method by recognizing yourself in what you don’t like. Ask yourself, “Which of these descriptions isn’t me – which one would I loathe if I did this most of the day?”

Sensing and Intuition Differences

When people who prefer intuition take in new information, they often look for different patterns. “How does this idea relate to other ideas?” is a common intuition question. People who prefer the sensing function are often seen as being ‘down to earth’. And people who prefer the intuition function are often seen as having their ‘heads in the clouds’. The intuition function gets excited and says, “We can do this, this, this, and this!” The sensing function provides the reality check and says, “Yes, but how are we going to do it?”

People who prefer intuition will see possibilities, patterns, ideas when given new information. They’ll ask, “What are some ways that we can use this down the road?” People who prefer sensing will say, “This is all interesting theory, but how is it going to make me a better______?” They’re more interested in a specific application of new information. “Who has done this before? How can I make this work?” are two other questions the sensing function may ask. Memory for specific detail is more of a sensing function attribute. Memory of larger concepts is an intuition function attribute.

Going For A Walk With Sensing and Intuition

When taking a walk sensing people may notice the physical features of the forest – buds, opening leaves, specific plants, sunlight on rain drops, and the path they took to get there. They’re deeply immersed in the present moment, enjoying all the wonderful things their five senses are feeding them.

A person preferring intuition may see one of those things, a leaf for example, which makes them think of fall, which reminds them of hikes on their parents’ farm with the family dog, which makes them wonder if they should get a dog, but how would the cats deal with that and there are all kinds of cats in the world, and how is a lion related to a house cat and then they wonder if they’ll ever get to Africa, which makes them think of the Blood Diamonds movie, and then they wonder what Leonardo Di Caprio would be like to hang out with, and on and on. The same walk in the woods provides two very different journeys.

Inspiration = Intuition

The leaps of imagination that bring you from an everyday object to something new and wonderful are examples of your intuition at work. Intuition was at play when Swiss engineer, George de Mestral came up with the idea of Velcro while on a summer walk with his dog in 1945 Examining the burrs of burdock that kept sticking to his clothes and his dog’s fur caused a leap of intuition. Art Clokey was inspired to create Gumby after viewing his father’s stubborn cowlick in his high school picture.

You Need Each Other

Thomas Edison said, “Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.” Intuition supplies the inspiration and sensing supplies the perspiration. You need both. Without intuition, there are no ideas. Without sensing, ideas cannot become reality. Without the sensing function, two major boons to the world – Velcro and Gumby – would still only be ‘good ideas’.

If a person who prefers the sensing function and one who prefers the intuition function encounter the same situation, they will notice and remember different things. That’s why it’s so important to include people with the sensing function and people with the intuitive function on a team. Together, they provide a complete picture of a scenario. With only one of those in play, the team misses out on half of the important information.

We’re All Types Every Day

Would you like to know what you have in common with every other person on earth? We all use all personality types all day, every day. For example, regardless of your preference for extraversion or introversion, every day you get and give energy to external people and events (extraversion) as well as the inner world of thoughts and reflections (introversion).

You may have noticed this when you read the descriptions of the different types. Perhaps you said to yourself, “Yes, but I do what the one type description says some of the time, and some of the time I do what the other type description says.” You may even have been hard-pressed to decide which one you preferred. “But I do both!”

And that is exactly true. You do indeed do both every day. The important piece is to try to discern which type you prefer. Even though you use both of your hands throughout the day, you probably prefer to use one hand to the other. Either your left or right hand feels more comfortable and natural. And you get better results. To illustrate this, try writing your name with your non-dominant hand. This holds true for your type - you use both, but one feels more comfortable. And you’re more efficient and productive if your preferred type is in play.

Your Type, Your Gift

Jungian type theory is a tool to give you options, not to put yourself or someone else in a box. All types are good – there are no bad or wrong types. Your type is your gift either to be utilized for a more successful life or to be squandered by not using it. Your type is a gift, not an excuse. It’s not a free pass to be used to avoid assigned tasks or performance issues that need to be addressed.

Look at the people around you, whether co-workers, friends, or family members. Get curious about their unique gifts. Encourage these gifts to blossom and be leveraged to best do the work at hand so that everyone can have more successful lives.

Your Neighborhood

“It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” – Mr. Rogers

Consider the neighborhood analogy. Within each town or city there are different neighborhoods. You live in your neighborhood for a reason, and if you like where you are, you probably share many of the values of others in your neighborhood. You are most comfortable in your neighborhood. Like most of us, you probably enjoy exploring, but as the song says, “It’s nice to go traveling, but it’s nice to come home again.” You are most comfortable in your own neighborhood.

Deciding what your preferred type is accesses a common language that you can use to discuss your differences with others – a language of ‘neighborhoods’. How common is this language of types? The MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator), which uses Jungian type theory as its basis, is the world’s most widely used personality inventory. When you use this language with others in discussing differences and how to leverage them, chances are pretty good that many will already have some understanding of what you’re talking about. And it focuses your search for your ‘home’ into a more efficient process. After all, now you know what neighborhood to look at.

Home, Sweet Home

You’re more than your preference. Some of the descriptor words and phrases may ring true, others won’t. Just as your home in your neighborhood is unique, so you occupy a unique position within a type description. What it does do though, is to focus your quest on a particular area, which makes your search much more efficient. If you can clearly articulate your unique home within a type of neighborhood you will be able to be at your best more of the time.

Type Examples

Below are some examples of movie characters, writings and quotes that exhibit many of the traits of the two different types. These are examples only, and they’re all guesses. We can only guess at what people’s types may be, or characters may be by their words or actions. It’s dangerous and ignorant to presume to know what someone else’s type is unless they’ve told you. Jungian type is completely self-determined.

So be careful with real people – avoid stereotyping. However it’s fun to speculate with famous people. For example, Gandhi’s two hours a day quietly using a spinning wheel alone, his numerous anecdotes in his Autobiography of his shyness, and even his solutions to his country’s problems – fasting, non-violence, walking to the ocean – all point to him probably preferring introversion.

So enjoy these guesses. Take them with a grain of salt, and feel free to agree or disagree with our guesses as you deepen your understanding of type.

Quotes

Fictional Characters

Songs

The Arts (the works of…)

Activities

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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can you explain perceiving vs judging in MBTI?

Sure!

So let’s start at square one: in the typical MBTI test which basically classifies you based on the four dichotomies (I vs E, N vs S, F vs T, and P vs J), but there is a deeper layer to it that is the function theory. The dichotomies are more so neatly packed with a bow on top, while cognitive functions are much more dense and open to speculation. It’s up to you which one you prefer, so I’ll give you both answers.

Dichotomy theory

Perceiving means being adaptable and open to change. P-types are laid-back and spontaneous, often. They don’t plan things; not prone to organization. They kinda just observe, feel the vibes, and go with the flow.

Judging means being more set in your ways and liking a defined structure. They like making decisions, getting things done, and having clarity in their lives through planning and organization.

Now if that’s the kind of answer you were looking for, that’s fine, but this is still within square one because the way I see it, what MBTI basically does is give a name to the specific combination of cognitive functions that you possess, so the basic root of the differences between P-types and J-types is in the cognitive functions, not in any description that you’ll find online.

Cognitive function theory

To learn a basics of the functions and how they stack up, go visit my Functions page.

The functions are: Ne Ni Se Si Fe Fi Te and Ti.(extraverted iNtuition, introverted iNtuition, extraverted Sensing, introverted Sensing,extraverted Feeling, introvertedFeeling, extraverted Thinking, and introverted Thinking)

So you’ll notice that perceiving and judging are actually the two terms not in the list, and that is because what the P and J in your type does is determine which functions you do and do not have. It’s not related to any specific functions themselves. Although Ne, Ni, Se, and Si are classified as perceiving functions, and Fe, Fi, Te, and Ti are classified as judging functions, being either a P-type or a J-type doesn’t automatically connect you to all four of the respective functions.

Basically how the theory is laid out, P-types have Ne or Se as their strongest extraverted function and Fi or Ti as their strongest introverted function.

J-types have Fe or Te as their strongest extraverted function and Ni or Si as their strongest introverted function.

So what does this distinction really mean?

P-types are basically much more receptive to information because while dealing with the outside world, they use Ne or Se to take in information. There are so many other distinctions within this (8 distinctions to be specific), but the overall idea is that they’re not decision-oriented and don’t prefer clarity in the same way that J-types do. They like keeping their options open until the last moment, and they like being in the moment and taking opportunities as they come. Now, not all P-types are like this, but this is basically the Ne/Se vs Fe/Te description. I’m an INFP, for example, and I like having a calendar and making to-do lists which all the stereotypes of my type are against. I’m supposed to be more of a double-minded naive airhead, but I’m not. As a P-type, I’m supposed to be spontaneous and adaptable to change, and I only am to a certain extent. That’s because that’s not the kind of distinction that P vs J is. It’s a very very broad distinction that not a lot of specific qualities are associated with.

J-types are the opposite of P-types in the sense that they are much more decision-oriented, and they like clear-cut definitive paths in their life that they are prone to planning and thinking through before diving into them. This isn’t because of an encompassing P vs J dichotomy but because the functions Fe and Te are what we call decision-making functions, and if you have a strong decision making function, whether it’s more objective and absolute (Te) or environment-cautious and situation-based (Fe), you still fall into that decision-oriented category, which makes you a J-type, despite what your further classification is as your MBTI type. I know plenty of J-types that are very adaptable to change as well because they are very in-tune with people, so if they are in a new environment with people that resonate with their Fe like their friends or similar-minded people, then they do enjoy change, so all of the stereotypes and descriptions you read won’t always be accurate.

At the end of the day, the main distinction between P-types and J-types is that P-types have the default setting of being receptive of information and new options that might arise, and they don’t make decisions until they have to. J-types have the default setting of making decisions and being definitive in their actions, and they won’t delay something unless they have to because Ne/Se and Fe/Te distinguish those basic inclinations. P-types do still have Fe/Te lower in their stack, and J-types do have Ne/Se lower in their stack, so it’s not a one-or-the-other kind of deal, but one inclination will come naturally to you, and the other you will have to consciously use and develop overtime. That is what P vs J tells you.

And in my opinion, it’s one of the most important distinctions of MBTI, and it’s not something that you can really be on the fence about. I’ve seen a lot of people say that they are borderline INTP and INTJ (INTx), and that they identify with both, but the thing is: if you’re ever reading descriptions in which both of these types resonate with you, you are not reading the right descriptions. The difference between any type and its P/J counterpart is very fundamental, and you can’t get step one wrong and hope to get the answer right, you know?

P.S. if these descriptions feel too rigid or definitive to you, and you don’t like the stiff lines that it draws between types, you might be a P-type :p

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putting-it-all-out-there · 4 years ago

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Cognitive functions

Yeah, let’s talk cognitive functions because I feel like a lot of people don’t really understand this. First off, they’re mental processes associated with the MBTI types. And second: your stack is structured the way it is for a reason.

Let’s start with a technical overview of the functions, shall we?

○ ROLE

Perceiving functions - how you take in information.

Ne - Se - how you like engaging in the world and allowing for the intake of information Ni - Si - how you process new information and apply it to your own understanding

Judging functions - how you respond to and act on the information.

Ti - Fi - how you naturally respond to said information and judge it. Te - Fe - how you make decisions based on said information and make your response known.

That’s why you have to have one of each; you can’t have two modes of understanding information and none of making decisions; that’s highly unbalanced and redundant. If you struggle with making decisions, it’s not ‘cause you don’t have Fe/Te; it’s probably just inferior and not developed. That’s why position matters:

○ DOMINANCE

Ne - Se - if dominant, you like engaging in the world and allowing for information more so than you like doing anything with said information including necessarily understanding it or acting on it. Ni - Si - if dominant, you like processing information and understanding it more so than you like being on the lookout for it or acting on it. Ti - Fi - if dominant, you like responding to information yourself more so than you like taking as much in as you can or acting on it. Te - Fe - if dominant, you like making decisions and applying information more so than taking it in, understanding it, or really even responding to it.

This isn’t concrete; for example, Te/Fe isn’t the only function making decisions, for example. Someone in an Se-Te loop will highly incorporate Se into Te to make decisions (probably very impulsive ones). None of the functions truly act on their own.

○ EACH FUNCTION

Ne - engages in the world and takes in information through ideas and analysis Se - engages in the world and takes in information through attention to tangible things Ni - processes new information through own ideas and applies it to your understanding through analysis Si - processes new information through experience and applies it to your archive of memories for understanding Ti - processes and responds to information through logic and what makes sense Fi - processes and responds to information through emotions and subjectivity Te - makes decisions and acts on information with logic and what holds true Fe - makes decisions and acts on information with emotions and empathy

So as an example, an ESFP has the functions: Se Fi Te Ni ESFPs freely engage in the tangible world to allow for new information. They like to respond to the information on their own account through subjectivity and what’s right and then act based on logic and what holds true. They don’t tend to usually apply said information to themselves or try to understand it.

○ RULES

Now, let’s set a few ground rules beyond that:

The reason why you can’t have two functions of the same letter like Ti and Te is because Te-doms use the outer world to apply information externally to make sense of it. If you already process and make sense of things in your mind, you don’t need to use the outer world to do that. Or if you’ve already acted on said information in the outside world, you don’t need to reflect on it to make sense of it again. That doesn’t work. It can’t be in your nature to do both; that’s just repetitive. That’s why each function is paired with its opposite.

And just because you aren’t emotionless or super emotional doesn’t mean you’re in the middle of the T/F scale like an ESxP. It just means that your middle two functions are probably T and F, and they’re probably close to on the same level, so use them fairly equally. It doesn’t mean you use them both for the same things though because one of them is a mode of responding to information and the other is a mode of making decisions. I don’t care if you put both logic and feelings into decisions (a lot of us do); it doesn’t mean you use both Te and Fe; you just highly incorporate one into the other which is okay.

Your order can’t be of your choosing either because that’s also highly unbalanced. You have a prominent introverted function and a prominent extroverted function (dominant and auxiliary functions); If both of them are about the intake of information (N/S), you’ll never act on it or respond to information. I’m sorry, but that sounds like the result of literal brain damage.

You can be confused about your type and say you’re an INTx; that’s fine. I won’t take offense to what you identify as. But if you wanna actually know your type and understand what the functions are all about, this is it. INTx implies you have all the functions which would be so redundant, you’d go crazy. You can be unsure, and I don’t mind the placeholder, but you can see how, in the theory, it doesn’t make sense to truly be both INTP and INTJ.

So if you still think MBTI makes no sense because surely not everyone can fit into 16 combinations of 8 functions when 8 different functions theoretically have more than 40,000 combinations, then think again, dumbass.

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THIS IS AMAZING WTAF

FACING INTUITIVE BIAS AND MBTI STEREOTYPES: ESFP EDITION

Hello, some already know my blog since it attracted attention for being one of the few MBTI blogs run by a sensor, especially an ESFP. I have always claimed to be pretty different from ESFP stereotypes, though I enjoy MBTI stereotyped memes and shitty posts. But there is one thing I can’t cope with: ignorance towards our type.

I am a strong Se (extraverted sensing) function defender, and I keep finding shallow and over stereotyped descriptions on how we use it and how do ESxPs portray and represent it. This originates a blurred vision of ESxPs in particular (all sensors are badly perceived in general) which affect us, especially because the most common believing among the MBIT community it’s that we are the dumbest.

First thing you have to learn about MBTI: IT CAN’T determine the IQ or cleverness of ANYBODY.

Fine, with that being clear, let’s continue.

I have been posting little call outs and statements about ESFPs being wronged as other types when being perfectionistic and having leadership skills etcetera but I think the time has come for making an appropriate post of how a non-stereotypical ESFP can be. I know my case it’s not common, since I am an ambivert and that affects my behavior but I’ll try to be objective.

Usually, ESFPs in fiction are portrayed as the flamboyant hero or the funny sidekick. Anyway, we are always seen as the bright, carefree, funny, attractive and badass characters, but in real life, we are more complex than that.

HOW ARE HEALTHY AND NON-STEREOTYPICAL ESFPs IN REAL LIFE:

Because of Dominant Se:

The first thing you have to think regarding Extraverted Sensing is experience and engagement. Sure you have already heard about this but it doesn’t mean we crave every day to be high or to hit all the parties. Life is beyond physical pleasures. Even for us, who feel comfortable with sensorial stimuli the most because we need them to create our safe and accurate visión of the world around us.

An ESFP will most likely say yes to everything. That’s, in part, because many of us are insecure and indulgent or pleasant with people. ESFPs can struggle a lot with assertiveness, swinging between being extremely obliging or aggressive-reactive (usually ESFP enneagram 2 o 3 are the first ones, while enneagram 6-7-8 are the last ones). But a healthy ESFP will eventually address this tendency to “say yes because of FOMO” (we have A LOT of FOMO) and will start seeking out what’s more convenient for them.

Se encourages us to live in the moment and take any opportunity or experience we can, but let’s remember we have another three functions. So a balanced ESFP knows when to engage with the flow and when to keep away from it. Of course, we are more willing to take risks but that doesn’t make us reckless in any way.

Instead, we use Se to manage our time and energy efficiently, and this is very important. You know how it is said that INxx types are the most likely to procrastinate while Te types are the ones who “get the shit done”? Well, ESFPs are somewhat in the middle. That’s because ESFPs are impatient. Our Se hurries us to take the task and finish it as soon as possible to engage with something else sooner than later. That’s also why it is said we “only care” about the present. It’s not that we don’t care about the rest. It’s that we are ENGAGED with the present.

ESFPs like to economize time. We’d rather lose money than time. Because time means experience. But we don’t concentrate that easily. Stimuli chase us and beg us to pay attention to them, not to the task. Still, we want to maximize that time, so manly this tension reflects on us as being very capable of working under pressure. When we are given little time to do something, we somewhat get more relaxed because that means maximizing time to the fullest. And THAT is also Se.

Of course, we are also all that beautiful descriptions we find over here: aesthetically selective and sensitive, very observant, can notice when the mood changes in a room, we are very sensitive to the lighting and the sounds etcetera. I’ll drop over here some Se posts very accurate and flattering because trust me, Se is not about jumping off a cliff or fly off from a bullet. That’s fiction (or you have mistaken us for ISTPs lol)

https://random-esfp.tumblr.com/post/140982329002/se-is-not-a-shallow-function

https://random-esfp.tumblr.com/post/141091312137/building-blocks-of-personality-type-extraverted

https://random-esfp.tumblr.com/post/142229288882/entj-girl-personalityplop-what-stereotypes

Because of Auxiliar Fi:

Fi can be a very upsetting function especially when Dominant. We aren’t “that idealist bitch” but we usually have a full sense of what is wrong and what is right for us (well, that is literally Fi). This means we can be reactive and susceptible when feeling attacked (and trust me, we DO feel attacked easily). We come across as social butterflies but being with insensitive or negative people can use up our energies. However, healthy ESFPs are usually more realists than optimistic rays of sunshine. Let’s not forget we are truly sensors, we crave for outer stimuli and although we can have our mystical believings, usually we trust what we see, touch and hear. What we can prove. The tangible.

We are people-oriented so these observations lean mostly on those who surround us. Making us empathic and, somewhat, INTUITIVE. Yes! ESFPs are very intuitive when it comes to interpersonal intelligence. In my group, I am the most likely to realize or notice when someone is a little more upset than usual, or when someone has changed anything on their image.

We engage the moment, the action, and that includes voice tones and gestures of people, which we use to complete our vision of the world, make conclusions basing on those observations and take action on it as sociable beings. (Gosh this point it’s the most confusing. We can come across as ENFJs).

INTERESTING REMARK: Why Se+Fi sometimes seems like Fe?

I have been struggling with this for months. I was so sure I use Se and Fi. I am individualistic and I don’t care if my opinions go against the crowd. I always say what I think. Sometimes I’m brutally honest. I don’t personally seek harmony. I’d rather be honest with myself. So… why do I sometimes feel extremely empathic to the point to think I am using Fe?

I think it’s basically because of what I have said earlier. The vivid observation makes us both sensitive and intuitive about people’s emotions, moods, and thoughts. ESFP’s minds can be very quick analyzing external stimuli to get to a conclusion. Basically, that is Se, and when it gets in touch with our emotional patterns, we spot the change, we comprehend it, and then we decide how to act based on our mental outline. Sometimes we won’t feel anything for them; sometimes we will feel exactly as them, and THEN is when Se+Fi looks like Fe, but we are just empathizing with people. And Fe isn’t exactly that. Fe users are known for their empathy BUT they also project other people’s emotions, suffering with them even with no clue that people may be actually feeling that. This post (by an xxFJ type) explains if perfectly, it made me realize I have mistaken my empathy with Fe for so long.

Because of Tertiary Te

Healthy ESFPs are real pragmatists, down to Earth people. They are those who in a brainstorm may not participate the most but will show support and excitement for those ideas that seem feasible. But with those who don’t… well. Let’s say we have already reached a decent assertiveness point… we’ll tell you when your thoughts or ideas are unviable, out of context or unnecessary. Sorry but that’s it.

As I said, we value time, we value DOING, not eternal thinking (Se again). So, why do I have to waste 3 hours of my time discussing this fifteen surreal ideas for our project if we don’t have even put into action at least ONE of the plausible ones, Brenda??? (Brenda is ENxP sorry)

Oh, gosh, I REALLY love Se+Te healthily used. It’s!!! So!!!! Useful!!!

Let’s say it straight: we can be very efficient CEOs. I’m kinda into that at the moment actually. The difference between ENTJs and ESFPs (there are A LOT of differences but I mean in the CEO context since they share all 4 functions) is that ESFPs aren’t used to Te as primary function, and Se will always take the lead, so ESFPs may think less of the consequences of their decisions because they lack that Ni “vision”. Also they have a more “soft” leadership style that can lead them to stressful situations who may end up in loops or grips that aren’t funny at all.

Anyway. Realists. We put things into action. We are quick at decision making and enjoy dynamic jobs where we can train this trait. ESFPs may not have 100 ideas per minute but they will have 2 o 3 that actually are possible and they will just get the shit done.

BONUS POINTS If they have overcome their insecurities and reached assertiveness.

Oh, does it seem like an ENTJ to you? We don’t have that “vision” because Ni is our frenemy, but what is real is that a healthy Te use, especially in mature stages of life, distance ESFPs from that “dumb party animal look-who-just-broke-the-table-dancing to-Beyonce” type of persona and it makes them effective leaders. Real doers. (Without losing their flamboyant temperament!)

Because of Inferior Ni

I can only think about shitty Ni grips at the moment but I’ll try to be objective.

Healthy inferior functions. This is a very good post about it. It says that inferior Ni: “May display delusional and grandiose thinking” and “Can turn gloomy when life circumstances don’t go their way”. Well, yes, that’s me. That’s ESFPs. Inferior functions aren’t funny. And because of that, the not-so-funny side of ESFPs relays here.

ESFPs can be pretty gloomy even when healthy. As very emotional types, ESFPs project their dark thoughts about the future on Ni. As I said, they naturally engage with the moment and like to take action, but Ni is that subtle but insistent voice in their head that goes like: you should think about this… and that… and what are we gonna do about this thing? Where are you gonna live in ten years? Who are you gonna name your baby after?

We refuse to think about the long term but when we are forced to do so because of #adulting ESFPs can take two ways:

Keep refusing thinking long term. Which can lead them to immaturity, dissociation of reality, avoidance and some other mental disorders.

Keep it serious and do it. We will complain about it. We will refuse to talk about what we haven’t made up yet, but we’ll try.

A healthy ESFP who decides to confront Ni and try to use it becomes more focused, serious and driven. Of course, we will have our mental breakdowns because we aren’t comfortable with it, but that is part of life.

ESFPs who are private about their lives, who are hesitant and reflective… are struggling with Ni. Because we know we need it. And it makes us feel uneasy because Ni requires depth and details and we prefer to improvise and get-by-doing. Ni also demands using all the time Se don’t wanna “waste”. But it’s not time wasted, it’s invested (although too dilated in time for us to appreciate it). However, when we see our goals reached we appreciate the effort we’ve made.

TO SUM UP:

How are ESFPs usually defined: dumb, reckless, shallow, overly-sensitive, can’t think in detail, bubbly, too much sociable.

How are ESFPs non-stereotypically: observant, doers, quick-minded, leading to action, perfectionist, efficient.

Well, that was almost 2k words about ESFPs in depth. And I could say much more, but for now, I think it’s enough.

I invite any underrated or extremely stereotyped MBTI type to do their Edition. Or to make some feedback.

Hope this was useful and/or revealing for you.

Thank you!

#esfp personality #mbti

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LuxType: The Artisans

Part 2 of the series.

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Classes and Aspects: All Just Myer-Briggs

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WARNING: VERY VERY EXTREMELY LONG READ

Just from the title, you might be very confused. How is it possible that all the speculation and theories over the years on Homestuck’s classpect system, how dare I say that all of the aspects and classes boil down to just MBTI, a quiz everyone has taken on the internet? First of all, I am honestly just as surprised as you are. I made a test on it based on what I generally knew about MBTI. After a few people tested it out and asked me to explian what their title means, they began to agree that the title they got on the test is accurate at best so I decided to dig deeper on how Myer Briggs really works and, boy, do I have a lot of misconceptions on MBTI.

Mainly, yes, every theory and speculation on classpect I realized all just fall underneath MBTI so well and I’m stunned. There is no other way around it. Under the read more I will tackle all the classes and aspects and where they fall under. I just won’t talk about the master classes because that is on an entire MBTI scale of its own.

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Is there any table of possible MBTI+Enneagram possible combinations?

Possible:

STP: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 3

SFP: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9

STJ: 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9

SFJ: 1, 2, 6, 9, 4 rarely, 7 or 8 if ESFJ

NTP: 5, 6, 7, 9, 3, 8 if extroverted, not if introverted

NFP: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 8 (almost never, but could be an 8 ENFP)

NTJ: 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 (4 rarely)

NFJ: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9 (can be 7 or 8 rarely, as an ENFJ)

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How would I know if I’m a Fi dom/aux or dom/aux Te user that overestimates how high my Fi is?

TJ and FP are different types that have nothing in common (logic comes first vs. how I feel overrides logic) so I would start by looking at the two types you are considering “overall” rather than isolating the functions like that. Consider how TJs work including with their dominant and inferior functions, vs how FPs work. People with two functions in the center of their stack are more “balanced” in logic vs. emotion, but the overall type is still dramatically different.

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Most writing on the inferior functions focuses on the grip, but how do they show up in daily life?

Inferior Si: forgetting details, neglecting personal needs, skim-reading, not retaining detailed information, not attending to ‘necessities’ (such as getting a tire fixed promptly or putting a new battery in the smoke detector after you’ve removed the old one), either ignoring or showing anxiety for personal health, not learning from previous mistakes under the assumption ‘this time will be different!’

Inferior Se: being awkward in the moment, not knowing when it’s the right time to make your move, sensory overload, a tendency to miscalculate the sensory world and hurt yourself (putting your feet on a heater and getting burned, turning your ankle because you weren’t aware of your environment, etc), a distaste for or over-indulgence of the sensory world, sometimes being impulsive with money and/or luxuries, a love for new experiences (in a controlled environment).

Inferior Ni: trusting your hunches, having a vague notion of what you want to do with your life, feeling like you need to contribute in some way in a ‘bigger’ sense, not always stopping to consider the unseen element of a person or experience, wanting to derive some personal or symbolic meaning from things, shying away from too much direct emphasis on the future and squirming when others talk extensively about their ‘plans for their life.’

Inferior Ne: imagination is a fantasy playground, exploring new worlds or ideas through fiction, gradual interest in considering other possibilities, may dabble in various new hobbies, occasional intellectualism, a tendency not to look beyond the surface and/or to find purely abstract conversations dull, unimportant, or impractical, a sense of finding others with higher Ne unrealistic or flighty.

Inferior Fi: occasional strong emotional reactions to something that provokes a response, an awkwardness with emotional expression, often deeply hurt when you are misunderstood or accused of being ‘cold’ in your practical problem-solving skills, strong work ethic, expects others to have a similar devotion to their craft/job/hobby, emotional peevishness under stress, defined interests.

Inferior Fe: occasional outbursts of emotional expression that the ITP finds uncomfortable and wishes never happened (sudden spurts of emotion, an influx of tears, something is bothering me today that usually doesn’t...), awkwardness with their own and other people’s emotional states, the desire to soothe or comfort someone just to make them stop being emotional (so we can move on), lack of awareness as to how others are responding to them, but a desire to be well-thought of, may outsource morals in a simplistic way.

Inferior Ti: casual interest in how things work, suppositions based on how things ‘should’ work according to personal standards, a tendency to find impersonal decisions cold and inhumane, can be critical (nitpicking) and/or place much emphasis on others needing to be ‘rational’ about things, without being rational oneself, may have contradictory or inconsistent standards.

Inferior Te: feels a need to organize oneself and be more efficient but doesn’t know how to go about this, inflexibility when it comes to laying down rules, not wanting to change a plan at the last minute, frankness when caught off guard, a ‘who cares?’ response method if something isn’t of personal concern, often a lack of feeling a strong need to earn a great deal of money, unsure how much their time is worth.

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