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anti endo? why do you hate her?

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what is with people calling themselves pro-endo and thinking that means they get to pick and choose which endogenic systems to support

you’re not pro-endo if you don’t support created systems

you’re not pro-endo if you don’t support innate systems

you’re not pro-endo if you don’t support spiritual systems

you’re not pro-endo if you base other system’s validity off how much their plurality impacts them negatively

you’re not pro-endo if you refuse to challenge the harmful internal biases you have about plurality

you’re not pro-endo if you throw other systems under the bus to try and pander to singlets

you’re not pro-endo if you don’t support this community’s attempt at normalizing plurality

you’re not pro-endo if you know nothing about this community’s history or it’s values

and you’re not pro-system if you’re not pro-endo

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HELLO INTERNET. 🫵🏻

I (<- System) have a SimplyPlural account with 384 members logged and quite... some.... not logged in. The thing is... I need the whole thing organized, but motivation is my worst enemy.

And so I saw this trend going around a while back where people went "5 likes and I do this, 10 likes and I do this, 100 likes and I do this" and I wanna do this too, but with a twist.

For every interaction I get on this post, I finish one of our simply plural profiles. And for every 10 profiles I get done, you 🫵🏻 get to see the profiles... or... I don't know maybe I'll draw someones request or something (I can draw, trust me /hj). I feel like drawings will be more fun, but this is so up to whatever you folks want.

Why do this? Because pressure from others is the only way I can get things done! So help a buddy out! Maybe I'll draw your silly ideas as a thank you if you leave a note in my inbox! 🫵🏻

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As awareness of plurality continues to spread online, that also means more and more people will realize they are plural. And unfortunately, there will be a response from certain gatekeepy exclusionist types, who will push back against these newfound systems and insist on invalidating them. They’ll insist they’re just hopping on a trend, or just fooling themselves, or whatever other justification they can make up to maintain the idea that being plural is extremely rare and being plural means suffering for it.

Don’t fall for it. Being plural presents challenges and difficulties without question, but being plural also can bring joys and clarity that weren’t possible otherwise. Being plural can be hard, and it can be beautiful.

No two systems present and function exactly the same ways. No two systems are plural for the exact same reasons. So we can’t expect there to be an absolute common trait present in every system. So any attempt to weed out the “fakers” is pointless and malicious.

If someone believes themself to be plural, they have good reason to. No further “proof” needed. If someone comes to us believing themself to be plural, we will help them along without critique or question. And above all we will be happy for them. Even if someday they realize they aren’t plural, that process of being allowed to question and experiment is so important, and they should be allowed to do so regardless of where they end up.

Plurality is a spectrum that encompasses a vast swathe of experiences and outlooks. It can be difficult to reckon with, which is why community is so vital. And as that community online grows and becomes more and more visible, we should all do our part, systems and singlets, to make sure these newfound systems feel safe, seen, and welcome.

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as a non system i look at anti endo syscourse and always go "what the fuck is this shit dawg they didnt even do anything"

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im no expert but this is how it works to me i think

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Cw anti-willogenic

Um …. Anyway .. 😁

We love you willogenics. You’re not “faking” for having purposefully created system members or system itself.. It’s cool actually, fr.

And we know EXACTLY what the system experience is like, too, as do all systems and plurals. Don’t undermine someone’s knowledge and try to control or say what they can and can’t be.

Willogenics exist. Being pro-endo while anti-willogenic is a joke …

I would’ve replied on that blog but I wanted to respect Alaska and . Not do that. And i only used my girlfriends blog a few times cus she let me

(Screenshot of a repost a certain someone who is anti willo pro endo did on Alaska’s pro endo court blog blackwolfofproendos…. Don’t hunt them down or harass them. Censored for a reason.)

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here's your daily reminder that no-one is entitled to any information about you, your system, or your system members; nor do you have to use any terms you don't want to no matter how popular they are ^-^

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’endos are the reason we “””””real systems””””” get fakeclaimed’

Mate you are real close there. Reeeeealll close. Fakeclaimers are the reason we all get fakeclaimed. As long as there is a community of people out there making our spaces into a constant panopticon of what’s real and what’s definitely, obviously 100% a sign of FAKINGGGG, we are going to get fakeclaimed. It doesn’t matter what your headcount is, what your origins are, how many fictives you have, or what your experiences with consciousness are. As long as a culture of perpetual surveillance and threatened punishment for deviance exists, you are going to, in some way, receive the blunt end of the syscourse mallet. Should we really be fighting our plural siblings? Or the labelhounds that demand we rip off every bandaid to prove our wounds are real? The assholes who hand down that just because they’ve read a psych journal from 1996, that they can definitively say that you and your experience is so utterly invalid and unworthy that you should leave the internet forever and pay for your sins?

when someone in your own bubble of likeminded plurals is fakeclaimed, and you go after the plural folks outside your own bubble, what message does that send to the little shits feverishly stalking your account and searching endlessly for any difference from what they hold as the ideal of systemhood? Does it tell them to fuck right off and stop harassing and cyberbullying anyone they damn well please? Or does it just say you’re a little lapdog happy to roll over and let them stomp on you when they finally decide you’re not plural either??

Come on people. At this point we’re near to victim-blaming with this shit. I’ve seen the TikTok compilations, the subreddits, the backwater YouTube rants. What makes you think you’re immune to their wrath just because you’ve learnt to hate your siblings in plurality? As far as they’re concerned, the minute you set foot on the internet, you forfeit any chance of existing as plural.

Let’s give standing up to these fakeclaiming assrats a shot. They aren’t going to stop until each and every one of us have been bullied into their little box of what’s acceptable, and so we can’t stop until they fuck right off and stay out.

-U

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PRO ENDO TAG GOT MORE FOLLOWERS THAN ANTI LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YO everyone go follow the tag!!! Let's increase our numbers even more!!

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i really want to stress that only pointing toward likely paid, biased studies on dissociative disorders as your only "source" on the entirety of plurality, you're making an appeal to authority. why would you rather suck up to the medical complex than listen to someone talk about their own experience? the medical industry is not your friend- it's here for profit. whether or not you want to accept it, modern medicine is fueled by money, not a genuine desire to help people. this industry treats dissociatives like shit, i want you to know. it chews us up and spits us out and doesn't give a singular fuck about whether or not we're getting the help we need.

if something won't make money IMMEDIATELY in the modern medical industry, it will NOT get researched. studies have to acquire funding before they can be performed. this is why there's so little research done into dissociative disorders in the first place, let alone lesser known psychological phenomena. there's BARELY studies out there for dissociative disorders, you can't leverage that against other psychological phenomena. i cannot stress enough that asserting that because there are not heaps of medical studies to point toward doesn't mean that something doesn't exist, or that someone isn't experiencing something.

why do you trust an industry built off of greed and letting people die for the sake of profits over individuals relaying their lived experiences? yes, modern medicine is very effective and very much can help you and keep you alive & you should not discredit the studies that are already there. but keep in mind that just because a study is only performed on one subject doesn't mean it's discrediting other experiences. why is your knee jerk reaction to trust an industry over an individual's experiences? that ain't punk at all.

a study done on schizophrenic psychosis in specific is not discrediting other types of psychosis- it's just focused on a specific type of psychosis that can manifest. it's not there to say no one else can be psychotic. same goes for plurality and dissociative disorders. dissociative plurality is a specific kind of plurality- its existence does NOT discredit the existence of other types of plurality.

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"If you are in the plural tags, we will assume you are endo-friendly." userbox!

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YOUR HATE ISN’T PUNK

There are no punk values in your exclusionism,

There are no punk values in demeaning the lived experiences of others,

There are no punk values in making people earn their right to exist,

There are no punk values in punching down the people who live adjacent lives to you,

There are no punk values in a strict idea of systemhood and enforcing conformity to it,

There are no punk values in upholding an abusive and biased psychiatric system,

Dissect your views, uphold your community, kill that fucking cop in your head.

THERE IS NO CHANGE FOR A BETTER FUTURE IF WE CANNIBALIZE ONE ANOTHER TO UPHOLD ARBITRARY IDEALS OF WHAT A “REAL” SYSTEM IS.

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"we support trauma survivors!" until the trauma survivor is an endo

"we support trauma survivors!" until the trauma survivor is traumaendo

"we support trauma survivors!" until the trauma survivor is an paratraumagen

"we support trauma survivors!" until the trauma survivor supports endos

"we support people with CDDs!" until the people who have CDDs support endos

"this is a safe space for those with CDDs!" until those with CDDs support endos

"we are anti-harassment!" until its an endo or pro endo

"endos are ableist towards CDD systems! protect CDDs!" until CDD systems support endos

"we're not ableist, endo are! we support systems!" until the system is proendo

"we are against fakeclaiming!" until an endo system breathes

"we provide resources for CDD systems!" until said CDD system supports endos

"we provide resources for traumagen systems!" until said traumagen system supports endos

"we would believe endos if they actually were backed by science!" until endos and pro endos provide sources

"we actually listen to science!" until the science doesn't support you side

"we provide sources!" except it's all just cherry picked sources that don't even prove them right

"we're good debaters!" until you actually have to do the debate

"we fight against stigmatization of disorders!" until someone with a stigmatized disorder supports endos

"we listen to CDD voices!" until that voice is pro endo

y'all like to claim to support CDDs, y'all claim to support trauma survivors, y'all claim to be proscience but you guys contradict yourself everyday.

when will you realize gatekeeping resources from pro endos gatekeeps resources from those with CDDs.

-sincerely, a tulpa trauma survivor

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endogenic systems are still people- i don't care if you disagree on whether or not that plurality exist without trauma, they're literally still people. you don't have any excuse or reason to treat another person/s like shit or dehumanize them because you disagree with them. non-dissociative plurals are still people and you should treat them with respect.

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if I hear "did is rare" [as an argument to why "you can't possibly have it !!"] one more time im going to start fakeclaiming redheads. I swear to god.

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I see so many people getting so upset about syscource and I have to wonder how many of them are even systems themselves. Numbers alone it seems like a lot of these people really should be minding their own business.

you hit the nail on the head, most of them are not. most people who engage in this behavior are doing it strictly to be assholes and to try to prove a point and look like they're more accepting of neurodivergence. it's like how the anti-ace discourse that's been going on on this website for a literal decade at this point is being perpetuated by people who don't identify as aspectrum at all. like most people who argue about syscourse literally just are not systems, and if they are, they're heavily misguided.

generally speaking i hear the most anti endogenic sentiments from non plurals. and to me it feels like people attempting to suck up to plurals for brownie points. as if people with dissociative plurality asked them, personally, to attack endogenic people because they're somehow a "threat" to us. i cannot stress enough that in the early days of the internet, dissociative plurals and non dissociative plurals existed alongside one another in the exact same communities with no issues.

this is just ONE example of plural spaces i was in at the time, but i was part of a forum called healthy multiplicity for years and they accepted any and all plurals, without question. i did NOT see ANY of these conversations happening at all in the various plural communities i joined before tumblr. NOBODY was concerned about origin labels. NOBODY was asking other systems to divulge their trauma. none of this was happening. literally none. like i cannot stress that this just was not happening back then.

like idk who told these people that dissociative and traumagenic systems need to be stood up for against endogenic and natural plurals but we literally don't. we're not being hurt or attacked or offended by endogenic plurals. the human brain is way too complicated for us to ever fully understand. we can't claim that we know every single mental experience that can exist. there are always going to have experiences that we can't define or haven't seen before and it's fine.

dissociative & traumagenic plurals never asked anyone to start attacking other plurals on our behalf. never. this doesn't benefit us, it just divides the plural community, which makes us weaker. dissociative and endogenic systems getting along will not be the end of the world. it will make us stronger as a community and help us understand how broad the experience of plurality really is