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'transandrophobia isn't real.' but i just literally only googled /who/ the va for a character in a video game is, and all i could find was people complaining about 'forced inclusivity', 't**nny voice', 'this forced shit', and 'sounding like a b*tch' all because apparently he was voiced by a trans man with 'a t-slur voice' (their words, not mine). something trans men are constantly degraded and judged for. a voice. something no one can choose.

mind you, the character isn't even trans. or if he is, not explicitly so, not even implicitly. but sure. tell me again how everyone just accepts trans men the second they come out. how they magically gain all these special privileges the second they come out. even their voices without faces can't exist without criticism and bitching. i still don't even know the va's name. just that he's trans and people REALLY hate him for the mere fucking sound of his voice.

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regressing

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Transandrophobes are like “here is the most vile and disgusting thing I am going to say about a marginalised group with the upmost pride and glee before going on to say how said group is actually lucky and isn’t really that oppressed”

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People: Transmascs and trans men just transition to become misogynistic evil males >:(

Me in my head when I interact with a cis woman: Don't spread your legs, don't sit too closely, but not too far, be approachable, look her in the eyes but not for too long, don't be a creep, fuck, pitch your voice higher, watch your tone, think about how you say shit, FUCK, no stop looking at her, don't stare at your feet, smile, smile more, don't speak too much with your hands, what if I scare her away ? What if she thinks I'm a creep ?

Me in my head when I interact with a cis man: Does he think I'm a man ? Is he hitting on me ? Does he see as a woman ? A gay man ? A weird shit ? I have to use my lower voice. I have to look at him in the eyes of he'll think I'm weak. Is he looking at my chest ? But I don't have boobs anymore ! Why is he staring like that ? Should I use my pronouns more clearly ? What if he thinks I'm a girl but he'll beat me up if I tell him he's wrong ? Should I try to please him just to be safe or stand up for myself ? How do men interact naturally with one another ? I don't want to show toxic masculinity but I don't want to be bullied either. HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO ACT ????? HELP

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me when I yell at strawmen. yeah, saying “ideals of masculinity are restrictive” is definitely the same exact thing as saying men are oppressed, great reading comprehension there.

crazy how people assume trans guys dont know if we had short naturally coloured hair and a basic style we'd "pass better." "you want tips on how to pass? no more fun piercings, jewelry, anything feminine, dyed hair, nail polish or nice things for you!" thanks but I choose joy and whimsy x

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ur right, that is different, i was going off of your own tags where you did in fact say you called them emotional. instead, here you're talking abt one specific event and not their personality. i'm not rlly seeing how it's a witch trial to ask you about and criticize your behavior based on your own post that i saw where you say you won't call trans guys emotional anymore and that they blocked you while still seeing you interact w their post. but yeah ty for responding, i don't feel accusing you of misogyny was appropriate here.

transandrophobia believers will just accuse a trans woman of whatever they want, I guess. And all this after blocking me! Yikes.

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nah it’s an answer i’m seeking. you admit to having called them emotional, so where’s the lie. in addition to block evading.

transandrophobia believers will just accuse a trans woman of whatever they want, I guess. And all this after blocking me! Yikes.

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It's entirely possible for hyper-visibility and invisibility to both be bad, and it's weird to see other people complaining about their invisibility to be inherently insulting to trans women just because we're often the face of transphobia. Like, that's just so weirdly resentful and unfair? Neither has to be worse than the either, but even if one was worse, the other having it's issues doesn't mean people are claiming that one's worse instead.

Maybe you just shouldn't have "TME" friends if that's how you feel about them and their own struggles. Stop having friends in general, actually, I think you'd probably just find a way to devalue you them too in absence of anyone else to other. Go to Antarctica or enter seclusion at a covenant or something, you need to work on yourself for awhile. Then maybe you can come back when you feel you're ready to treat people like human beings who can also feel pain, and not soulless paper dolls for you to whine about while people who aren't you deal with real problems that trans women actually struggle with, as opposed to "someone else also having a rough time."

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Really annoyed with terfs in trans men's tags trying to present transandrophobia within the trans community as trans women hating "afabs" as a part of some mythical "amab" conspiracy and solidarity.

Like, no, trans radfems (of any gender identity) in general do not think like that. In fact, it has been a trend with them to claim terfs actually ally closely with MRAs and that their misgendering of trans women is purely spiteful and that deep down they recognize trans women as a worse subcategory of women. And they believe trans men factor into the terf/MRA duo and can comfortably rotate between them due to there being no principal differences.

Hatred towards men and manhood is an essential component of transandrophobia within the trans community. It makes some see trans men as their safe punching bag, men you can hit without danger for yourself. Transandrophobia cannot be equated to hatred towards "afabs". And people who claim otherwise simply have an agenda.

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It is very simple.

1- Stop doing the whole "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" thing. That's buying into a sexist worldview even if you switch the values around to "the things I associate with women are good actually" like people tried to do with astrology. You just end up sounding like James Dobson.

2- Get principled about supporting bodily autonomy. Actually internalize the idea that people's bodies belong to them and they can change them if they want. The right to do this comes pre-installed on all people and no one needs to "earn it". You don't even need to conclusively prove that it would make you objectively happier or anything, you should be able to just do it if you want.

3- Understand that trans people are infinitely varied. Even the subcategories of trans people (such as trans women) are infinitely varied, just like cis people. There isn't one singular and universal trans experience just like how there isn't one singular and universal gendered experience. Don't rely on stereotypes and assumptions to form your idea of what being trans is like.

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Can someone explain to me why every time nonbinary people (rightfully) complain about having binaries forced onto us, the response is always,

“Well actually, this binary is a good binary that I, a binary person, have deemed not exorsexist at all! How dare you not like it! How dare you suggest that it misgenders you! You must be a bad nonbinary, an evil nonbinary! Because all the good nonbinaries like my new binary, and if you don’t, you are attacking me specifically! And actually, not wanting to be forced into my binary makes you the dangerous and harmful one!”

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Remember kids if you disagree with any transfem about anything it’s because you’re a transmisogynist, no exceptions <3

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If you don't wanna be called a transradfem, stop spouting radical feminist ideas and just sticking trans on the front? "You just call every transfeminist a transradfem!" Last I checked, julia serano, susan stryker, jules gill-peterson, none of the genuine transfeminists I've read incorporated radfem beliefs into their works. But when someone on here is saying shit like "all oppression is rooted in transmisogyny, trans men's gender makes them dangerous, choosing to be a man is immoral," what in the hell else am I supposed to call that?

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Transradfems will say/reblog shit like "someone bringing up oppression making you uncomfortable is one hundred percent something that you need to reconsider always" (actual quote) in regard to transmisogyny but then turn around and say "anyway transandrophobia isn't real you whiny theyfabs just hate trans women <3"

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i dont check out the tags for like, a few weeks, and its suddenly full of transandrophobes and transmisogynists alike. no, all transfems arent "whiny" and "out to get you". no, all transmascs arent "secret/future terfs" "wielding their afab privilege" or whatever the fuck. please learn that everyone else in these conversations are people, not caricatures.

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getting called unusual a lot lately. i'll take it as a compliment thanks lol

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Ty /g. You're right most ppl who use tme/tma do so to mean "everyone but transfems has it easier than transfems" and insulting tmes is always "punching up." It also does unfairly put things on other ppl; everyone afab or presumed to be afab is told they're tme for example. But I don't feel it'll be used like this forever. I don't believe the only options are to keep it the same or reject it entirely--if folks learn to stop treating it as an identity-based privileged/oppressed binary then it could actually be helpful. And if tma folks come up with other terms to talk abt these areas of privilege and disprivilege I'll jump right on em. But for now, I'd like to try to work w/ what's given to me.

I'm tme and I'm not gonna stop identifying as such just bc it makes you uncomfortable to consider you might have certain privileges as a transmasc too. Being transmasc or otherwise a non-tma trans person doesn't mean you inherently have the same experiences as me. But if you notice that in public and social situations you are treated better than the trans women and transfems around you, you should really think on that. It doesn't make you a bad or universally privileged person. It doesn't mean no trans women and fems ever have privileges compared to you in other spheres. Transandrophobia and exorsexism are serious and not all tma people deal with those. But tma folks are asking to be heard abt the kinds of mistreatment they notice and I am doing my best to listen. Are you?