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value of the corpse

TW: talking about death, self harm, or graphic depictions used within genloss hopefully not to bad, but enough to tag in genloss dead, undead, bodies, and so on are depicted, and in different ways. it pushes an idea in this world that death is inconsequential to being revived, or that death isnt the end of usefulness. so i want to chat about it. I personally think that its suspicious, and for TSE at the very least think most if not all deaths are faked or embellished. in TSE deaths are consistently off-screen and exaggereated or otherwise happening during a cutscene, and ill chat about that in detail if people want the in depth on that, but i think those deaths are fake. this is more speculation on TFG (the founders game) In TFG "death" and "rebirth" is more bold in its claims. TSE deaths are off screen, treated as actual, and is slightly uncertain even in character diologue. TFG deaths are direct, and much more litteral in its gameified media. ben sees his own body ben is buried in a room of his own bodies ben experiences resets and different deaths with passing details constantly but ben is also a skeleton. why? if death and rebirth are so inconsequential that the greenhouse is FULL of bens own bodies collected through resets then WHY is it that what we see in the founders mirror is a skeleton covered in hardware? the founder comments on the concept of generationloss and its affect on ben. sharing his distain for how his experiments deteriorate. but the way i interpreted this was to the fault of the technology when whoever ben was, "woke up". if all thats needed is hardware, then theres no reason to maintain the human body thats far past expired. so the body has value. if the body has value, then its not illogical to think strewn corpses are planted for narrative purpose For BEN As The First Person Character.

and im thinking about this with the context of TFG. TFG is heavy on derealization. like the detail fuzziness of a dream or prolonged AI video, things that arnt the main focus wont add up. example: The janitor is killed by the monster. his body is then present in multiple moments. well. in what condition? according to the cutscene, and the description: the janitor was lifted up and his neck was snapped, hes then dropped down to the floor. quote: 'his head tilts away from his concaved neck'. fast forward a reset or so and the body is actually decapitated. quote: 'the janitor lays in front of you in a pool of his own blood his head a few feet away slightly rocking back and forth.' further on, we see examples of gore but instead of blood being used as a descriptor is more along the lines of 'dark ooze'. genloss isnt afraid to show, tell, or use blood as a desriptor so it feels less like blood in this moment then a deliberate differentiator. perhaps oil? if manequins and simple anamatronics are used in bens hallucination of afterschool slash then there are replacements. i have more notes but this is already an essay. i may be missing some evidence pieces im not remembering at the moment, but i still think deaths in genloss are fishy. feel free to ask questions or challenge my theories, they help me build them and make my day :) -Tophat

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What is Generation Loss

Ive noticed that alot of people interested in genloss, dont actually know most of the branching facets of it. which, if you arnt there for it, checks out. genloss is kind of all over the place. So without getting super deep into plot, heres a rundown of all the places and pieces where genloss happens. especially if you read my theories, because I know i dont exposition as much as i should. The Social Experiments - TSE

ep.1 https://youtu.be/6NtFYeJ-WK4?si=n_cDiQcecLa6pR-3 ep.2 https://youtu.be/J6itxrDyQWM?si=H8yr71Hp9gxSOxZw ep.3 https://youtu.be/eA9U4U9LOe8?si=MSxRcwkjqylmA2Pu - This is the first 'major' installation and story, but its only on the vod channel. Comedy/horror full of liminal vibes and meta symbolism, streamed live on twitch as an interactive show. The Founders Cut - TFC TFC - https://youtu.be/JF062QZT_0A?si=K9Q6aLbORSRE4ouY - The revisioned version of TSE thats shorter and more focused on the horror aspect of the show. Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@generationloss This is the official youtube channel. all videos under this channel are considered canon to the story of generation loss and the channel is used primarily to promote soon-to-be releases with more highlighted detailing. Twitter -

https://x.com/Generationloss1

the twitter is similar to the youtube but is also canon to the story and uses more images for promo, this is where people find the cryptic updates, teaser images, or schematics. Chronicle 0 - https://x.com/TheChronicle0 Cron 0 is a series of mostly unrelated diary entries from a character called Miss 'Zero' Roads. whos been shown to us as a perceived young adult working at an A/V shop, going to school, getting over past trauma, and is apparently from the 1970's-90s. Zero has had scraps of her story scattered over genloss entries since she was introduced. Merch Shop - https://generationloss.tv/?srsltid=AfmBOopXdCUeFiwzLFHLgxjrea2qb1JaKymLKyxjYsFxfr_ZW4_27I0p The merch shop is also canon on the website there have been some cases of story, such as a letter from the founder in the about page, a very short game that released as promo for TSE and has since been removed, and the VHS tapes of the founders cut which were sold fall 2024 and have significance that hasnt fully been explained or unpacked so far. The Founder Game - TFG https://www.thefoundergame.com/chapter-select The founders game is the newest large installment to the series, featuring 9/10 chapters of choose your own adventure style thriller based gameplay with the new protagonist 'Ben'. Genloss is currently broken up into 'generations' or seasons the difference is that each 'generation' refers to a storyline instead of a release date. Content thats based around ranboos character, showfall media, etc are part of Gen 1, and right now anything outside that is reffering to gen 0, which has both been follow up content, and prequel content. Hopefully this helps at least one person out, I know some of this can get lost in everything like how chronicle 0 is buried under the twitter but if theres still any confusion or any other questions/comments then feel free to reach out! Id love to start a conversation :) -Tophat

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if anyone was wondering what the meta situation is like for generation loss:

this is a screenshot from the founders cut VHS. this is a stream crew. a canon stream crew. and so were clear - level one is ranboo as a genloss character. - level two is the employees and hetch that are running the show ranboo is on. - level three is us, "in our world" watching this show of a guy stuck in a show. - level 4 is the stream crew behind the hetch and employees making the show into the show thats good. - level 5 is the knowledge of said stream crew being cut into the VHS addition to the founders cut . - level 6 is whoever hijacked the creation of the VHS to show us this - level 7 is a concept of blind shooting with pop guns and somewhere past that is the level of actual meta creation and dubiously canon or non canon activity by the guy that plays himself as a character, the behind the scenes, and everything that gets retroactively cut from script. this includes the TFG cut script lines that Very Clearly point us in a direction, behind the scenes vods that detail props, and most teasers. if you ever want to figure out if a choice was ment as meta, how meta a detail goes into (ex: anything from TFG since it was an acid trip about 70% of the time), or something of that sort step one is find a good base of information that you think you can rely on step two is pull a beanie over your eyes, turn around five times, duct tape the barbie dreamland mega pony sparkle sunglasses to the back of your head and say a cool one liner because its time to go in blind knowing your about to look like an idiot with a 2% chance you look like a badass

-Tophat

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Crack Founder Theory (do not read)

On febuary 20th 2022 ranboo did a letsplay of a new comedy romance choose your own adventure game, noting that despite its charicature that its design, visual style, and music were all incredibly well made. fast forward a bit. just roll with it riptide is a dungeons and dragons podcast, with a pirate themed campaign featuring Grizzlyplays, Condifiction, Bizleybebo, and Slimecicle. fast backward on april 16 2021, episode 12 of said podcast, ranboo joins as a guest star through slimecicle since hes a mutual friend and creator. fast forward again mid 2022- early 2023 ish ranboo begins work on Generation Loss, The Social Experiments. charlie slimesicle as a mutual friend and creator is invited and introduces him to the music creator for JRWI who, coincidentally, also made the music for above mentioned letsplay where ranboo notes the music being good, great resume! Current time Founder Game Nathan hanover synphonic orchestra after several months of throwing bricks at theorists, tormenting us with the among us SUS.sfx, and getting accused of 8 (witnessed) accounts of flamingo thievery. has finally assimilated ranboo and The Founder is a dialtown OC. side by side for refrence vv

i rest my case -Tophat

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thank you egg for all your creativity, art, and dedication to this cool project

the founder game has felt like the largest showcase of your talents and skills for genloss so far. i can’t wait to see how it grows from here and to theorize on whatever you’re cooking up next, i’m sure it’ll amaze and stump us even more

-Tophat

thank you to everyone who played the founder's game!!

i poured sooo much into this project the past 7 months and I'm beyond grateful for your enthusiasm and excitement every Sunday. i hope you guys had fun with this one, we hope to see you next time :)

id do my usual collage of what i worked on, but its far too much to fit in one image 💀

anyways, if you haven't had the chance to play it, or want to replay it, the founder's game is up on thefoundergame.com :D

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we need to know HOW

if we have one question that we as a community can put forward to the founder and ask i very highly suggest we ask "How" instead of "why" we have data on how the founder thinks, and if most "why" questions are asked then we can find out. "Who" questions are tied to the story and are alot less likely to have an answer that can satisfy as many questions as itll create. we need to know How. How much of it was fake How are you able to create this tech How are we connected How are we controlling Ben/ranboo How are characters recycled The founder is a personality of a character and will answer as according to said character. if we ask why anything happens were only asking for his philosophy which he is steadily sharing to us. if we ask HOW something under his watch happens the chance of a technical, factual answer skyrockets, and we can answer more questions on our own. if you have a question you think you can predict the answer to then our knowledge remains stagnant. if we have a technical answer to work off of then it gives us a desperately needed base to come from i asked how much of everything was faked

we got this genlosers, this is an opportunity to hop on! -Tophat

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TFG ch.7 thoughs (pt-2)

squeezing in a part 2 before tomarrow to maximize making a fool of myself or getting i called it privledges i think that the gen 0 lab "Unfiltered" As we see it in ch.7 is misleading. i think theres still much thats being hidden from us right before our eyes but that the idea that the curtains have been pulled misleads us to think its not still a stage. things like how the windows are barred in the images we see from the founders letter but theres no windows at all to ben. things like how theres still someone watching us. if you turn right in ch.7 and loiter by the door a voice tells us to hurry up since were going inside anyway and is largely overpassed as "coming from a door" this reads to me as Someone (maybe Red) is being actively obscured from our vision. and if thats the case then i think we very much should question if what were seeing is as "real" as it gets. keep in mind in TSE during episode 3 the same tactic was used where ranboo had seemingly 'figured it out' and was behind where the cameras were. but it was still part of the show, and it was just as staged as the rest of the set. lets hope meeting the founder goes well tomarrow my bets on him talking to us directly instead of to ben as a character -Tophat

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TFG ch.7 thoughts

if you havent played the founders game, this wont make sense https://www.thefoundergame.com/chapter-select if you know nothing about generation loss this is still a fun story game to go through! that aside chapter 7 is getting under my skin recently. its general point is to expand on whats really happening. that afterschool slash is a simulation that takes place within the Gen 0 lab and that what were seeing is heavily influenced, ending in our soon to be meeting with the founder. this is the most info grounded ive felt in the game since it started. heres why. The entire game thus far has been very very ambiguous about what were looking at. and this is very intentional. arbitrary details change and shift every other chapter, the map layout of the school is incredibly uncertain, and the whole vibe has been ment to be derealization in theme. the whole game in reaction boiling down to the unreliable narrator rule. daily reminder that genloss has no reliable narrators. but this? we've delt with this. Vision being altered through context and perception. a grandious tearing away of the curtain to see the "truth" behind it all. the technology thats in Gen 1 TSE is consistent with the tech being used in the Gen 0 lab, supporting theories that TSE is sponsored as an off-branch project to the larger generation loss organization. But more importantly, it means we already have notes on how this all might work.

from my notes and my theories

Visions and feeling such as pain can be simulated, but both need a base to work off of. it doesn’t have to be perfect since a “don’t think on it too hard” attitude is practically hot wired in, but it works by trigger.

for example. if i take a wooden pop gun and point it to a filtered character and shoot, that would translate into a hallucinated weapon and a wound.

but it needs that visual to draw over, and that audio or sensation to cue.

it’s convincing the characters so they can convince us.

similarly, a misplaced cue (broken display/trophy case with a branch/knife inside) still attempts to translate but without the time for it to be deliberately written out, the second best option is to just move past it.

an example of being written out is TSE ep 2 where cameras are intentionally removed from filter and we see ranboo both comment and react either not able or not allowed to acknowledge the cameras.

(yes puzzler comments, but that’s for our sake since camera crews couldn’t be avoided on screen, ranboo is camera blind till the end of the ep)

i have more to say but this is already an essay and it’s late so i’m Pt.1 -ing it

remember this is truely Just a theory, it’s not confirmed but this is my very studied interpretation

-Tophat

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@kertoir when i catch you and your silly goofy ways. So. youre telling me that Ch. 6 of TFG releases and during the plot, there are multiple planes that ben can go to. ok, cool. youre telling me that one option is he wakes up in an arcade. ok, cool. youre telling me that on December 22, the closest release to christmas eve, ben walks up to a classic arcade cabinet and it seemingly portals, consumes, or elsewise assimilates him. So Youre Telling Me That We Cant See Him, Behind The Screen? That dare i theory or suggest. that Bens Half Human, And Half Machine?? SO YOURE TELLING ME BEN IS FUCKING CABINET MAN i. cant believe it took me over a week to get this joke. thats so funny. -Tophat

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tophat talk about the founder game.

give us that chart (or 4) you promised that’s been restarted 5 times

tophat give us a theory, it’s been weeks

N o.

I’m Gonna Show You All The F I S H I’ve Been Carving This Week And THEN We’ll Talk

fish :)

carved from rubber not linoleum

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THE FOUNDER GAME - CH 2

some of you may be wondering why im posting the ch2 chart the day after ch3 dropped. well you see, i had to start this from scratch 5 times and theres no greater feeling then the realization your canvas is 10 pixels too short. again. that being said, i broke this into two parts because if it was on one page id eat my notebook. so wish me luck on ch3 which is way larger, ill be doing it too. hopefully this is useful, i enjoy trying to help, and ill probably be doing my personal thoughts and breakdown of the founders game soon because this is really really cool :D -Tophat

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THE FOUNDER GAME - Ch 1

start v

https://www.thefoundergame.com i wanted to make a map of the founders game that could be put up on a single image since it helps organize info, if anyone can use it here you go! -Tophat

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Tophat notices a tiny insignificant detail and rants about it

im nothing if not a theorist of the people. Anyways! if i only have a week left to make TSE theories then why dont we break down something a bit less chatted for! The Posters! most of the posters have cool details to them, or theory potential that doesnt quite break the records but has more then a few times been evidence to theories so why not just do a formal breakdown of them now. this ones got a lot of pictures Ep 3 poster

couple of basic things for this. a concept thats used for alot of Gen 1 is the use of red and green. in this case its red and green light on his legs. it can also be seen on the TFC promo photos for 'Again', the Ep2 trailer, a handful of different scenes, and also on other posters! the other thing cool about the ep 3 poster is how its a direct mirror of the last and first time we see The Hero.

this was the first time we see The Hero from its similarly named youtube promo piece, and at the time there was even theory that he has blood on his hands. Ep 2 poster

The ep 2 poster, im actually here for the posing. its the beginning warehouse shot, but awake and staring off into the middle distance. I have a theory that this image is actually ranboo in idle. We see on a few occasions that actors or employees not in use get 'paused' in place where they can be managed by the production team and dont really perceive time passing. But at the start of every episode we also see ranboo coming out of idle from TV static. The VHS player in the cabin turns off and ranboo wakes up, the TV Puzzler uses turns off and he wakes up, Hetch's several screen pointing at where ep 2 ends, its a consistent case. ranboo thinks that TSE happened over the course of maybe a day and a half, not over the course of a week. The ep1 trailer shows ranboo staring blankly at the TV in the cabin and i think this poster is the same thing. Ep 1 poster

this poster is a bunch of cool tiny details wrapped together and i love it, this is the poster i own. so heres four cool things 1- hes facing the 4th wall but looking directly away from it. 2- this flashlight is on set but he never uses it, instead during the show he shines it in his eyes between audience choices in the basement several times. 3- its designed to look weathered, spirit of the cabin was based off of old horror and its designed like its been sitting in an attic for 50+ years. 4- on the website the poster is right but on physical copies charlie is credited as "Smilecicle" VHS

im deciding to count this one which is on the genloss twitter, based on how even if its not for purchase, this is a poster. its weathered like the Ep 1 poster, and incorporates green light beaming from it on the ground like other works. All of the posters are representative of their episodes but also show direct changes or discrepancies. For Ep1, there was never an involvement of the flashlight. Ep 2 started by him waking up instead of straight from idle. The Ep 3 poster has him standing idle as the final showing instead of restrained (which was actually made into finished concept art before getting scraped to avoid poster spoilers). And finally the founders glove in the poster is more visually appealing in red but the first time we see the founders collection the gloves were black. Least to say, attention to detail is cool and so is @kertoir who made all of this. Theory Time Before Founders Game!! -Tophat p.s. the list of VHS codes is still being updated daily on my page and i plan to continue that :)

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In the basement scene on a VHS, there's a cut to a screen with the letters "I N G" in placements that suggest a bunch of missing letters. Has anyone else informed you about different letters?

Each VHS has 1/3 versions of this!

beg-inn-ing

its the password for the founders game

great check in :D

-Tophat

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VHS Coordinates

generation loss VHS tapes come accompanied with a letter/number combo and over several different platforms ive compiled as many as i can. i plan to live update this as i hear about new codes till we learn how to use this information till then, i wanted to give everyone an equal opportunity to theorize!

feel free to send me any new or that ive missed! -Tophat EDIT: huge thanks to ghost for helping me buff up my list, and thanks to anyone whos been sending me codes you've seen me missing, this is how we thrive :)

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What to do with your VHS

Hi! did you just aquire the generation loss TSE VHS but dont know what exactly to do? so far, heres what we suggest you look out for. 1 - Discrepancies or cut in additions during the show are typically upside down or met with a harsh sound effect. 2 - Any official looking labeling should be read through because notes from or about showfall media has been put in character. 3 - Somewhere on the tape should be a hand scratched number/letter combo for example "A32, X1, EE10" If you dont have your dads 2^ft VHS player to rely on, or the technical knowhow to put it onto a flatscreen id suggest checking out a library! who might have one, or suggest where one can be found. posting these things on tumblr, discord, or sending them to someone who CAN circulate the information helps keeping the communication flowing! if you dont know anyone who could circulate the information? send it to me. this is an invitation, and if i didnt offer that after telling you to spread word itd be kinds dumb. we have roughly 2 weeks left on the timer and this is where pivotal theory crafting is made, when we ALL have information at the same time. Founders Game In One Day Lets Go!!! -Tophat

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The Founders Game

one of the VHS tapes gave us this website https://www.thefoundergame.com/ The password is BEGINNING it opens when 10,000 people enter

GENLOSERS UNITE