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Incest and the Medieval Imagination, by Elizabeth Archibald: Chapter 5: Siblings and Other Relatives: Other Relatives

Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 Part 1 | Chapter 3 Part 2 | Chapter 3 Part 3 | Chapter 4 Part 1 | Chapter 4 Part 2 | Chapter 4 Part 3 | Chapter 5 Part 1 | Conclusion

As mentioned in Chapter 1, medieval incest laws targeted not only the immediate family but also extended relatives; surviving court documents indicate that the majority of public cases dealt with relationships between cousins, in-laws, and those connected through spiritual or carnal bonds, rather than within the nuclear family itself. However, these broader familial incest scenarios are rarely explored in the literature from the period.

Other Relatives

Among the most frequent narratives of step-family incest are those involving a stepmother, likely influenced by the myth of the Phaedra and Hippolytus. For instance, Fingal Rónáin (12th Century), a prince is executed by his father due to his stepmother's false claims. Similarly, in Generides (14th century), a young prince escapes his father's kingdom after his stepmother wrongly accuses him of rape. Ultimately, she confesses her lie and begs him to kill her death, but he refuses and she dies of sorrow. In both cases, the stepmother makes the accusation after her advances her rejected by the prince.

Another classical story that remained present and reimagined was that of Philomela's rape and mutilation by her brother-in-law Tereus. In some variations of the Calumniated Queen (see Chapter 4), such as Crescentia (12th Century) and Le Bone Florence de Rome (13th Century). In these versions, instead of an evil mother-in-law, it's the evil brother-in-law that lies about the Queen and attempts to have her killed or forced into exile. Usually, she is given healing powers by the Virgin or a Saint and later uses these powers to heal those thar had persecuted her, the truth then comes out and she's reunited with her husband. This plot in often found in exempla, with the incest representing sins in general and the temptation of the flesh, with the protagonist being rewarded in the end for staying loyal to her husband.

While there doesn't seem to be narratives of incest between father-in-law and daughter-in-law, that between mother-in-law and son-in-law appears in quite a few exempla, such as in the collection Alphabetum Narrationum by Etienne de Besançon (15th Century). In this story, the mother-in-law kills the son-in-law because rumours begin to circulate of their inappropriate relationship, she confesses to the priest, who spreads the news to the townspeople. The woman is taken to court and sentenced to death by fire, but she prays to the Virgin, who saves her from the fire, but the woman dies a few days later. Once again, the story serves to showcase the power of the Virgin and of repentance.

Regarding uncles and nieces, there are quite a few stories about the niece killing the children conceived by her uncle and tries to kill herself, but is saved by the Virgin. Cousins are also found in many French tale, but are rarely central to the plot. In a exception to this rule, in Tristan de Nanteuil (14th Century), the protagonist unwittingly sleeps with his cousin, who bears a son that grows up to kill him. The combination of incest leading to parricide is reminiscent Mordred (and opposite to Oedipus, which is the parricide leading to incest).

In the collection Les Cent Nouvelles Nouvelles (15th Century), there's a comical account of grandmother-grandson incest. After a man attempts to lay with his grandmother, his father becomes enraged and they fight. When a onlooker asks what caused the fight, the man says that it's "because of the one time I wanted to mount his mother. He’s done the same to mine, and more than five hundred times at that, and I’ve never said a word about it."

There are some stories that deal with incest between godparents and godchildren, such as in Manuel des Pechiez, in which a godfather seduces his goddaughter, the men confesses the sin in regret and dies, with a fire later destroying his grave. The woman's fate doesn't seem to have been mentioned. It was also considered incest to lay with your children's godparents and this is also reflected in some stories.

Overall, incest outside the nuclear family doesn't seem to have been of much interest for readers and writers, despite the many laws that forbid relationships with any kind of kinship.

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Katie McGrath as Oriane Congost in Labyrinth (2012)

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new chapter 🖤

https://archiveofourown.org/works/59407117/chapters/158785171#workskin

She wonders, as the sounds of her steps rattle across the stone, if something of yourself is left inside your mother, something essential and blazing, and if that is why she and Arthur are so bent, with minds dried and mouths panting - crouching for something they cannot find.

Her eyes grow hot for the mother she has never known and never loved, and for the desperate knowledge that someone held her hand when Morgana made her scream.

She thinks of the baby, stubborn and warm, curled up inside the stomach, and of Arthur’s ravenous face as he paces his room at night. The sounds of her feet still as she splays her hand against the wall and bends over, nauseous with longing.

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The warning signs have all been bright and garish Far too great in number to ignore

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La Tarea Prohibida (Spanish film from early 2000s??? M/S) (submission)

Hi, Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here to talk about the Spanish film, “La Tarea Prohibida”.

TL;DR:

A film student employs his hot mom to star in his college film class’ final project �� a film that has to be shot in one take and which cannot be edited. It has a sex scene. The sex scene spirals out of control. Now what?

DETAILED SYNOPSIS:

(WARNING: NARRATIVE AND GIFs CONTAIN SPOILERS)

I had messaged you previously about this film because I thought it was listed on your master lists. But you had clarified that the one on your list was a short called, “La Tarea”. So lets talk about “La Tarea Prohibida” which is just under 90 minutes and contains a canon incest plot around a mother and her biological son.

I had a hard time finding an English subtitled version of Prohibida, and with the Spanish being spoken so fluently (and quickly), it was hard for me to fully comprehend the plot and what was happening? But I tried my best. I did find an SRT file but it was horribly off sync, so I tried to correct the timing and this is what I think is happening. I think, LOL…

Maria and Santiago are mother and son. And although you get the sense that there is something unusual about this relationship at the beginning of the movie, it’s not readily apparent until later in the movie that they are related. The viewer gets the impression that when not at school, Santiago lives back home where his beautiful mother, Maria – who oozes sexuality - lives with Santiago’s stepfather and their young daughter. Santiago is Maria’s biological son from a previous marriage. The movie makes a strong point of Santiago’s father being the love of Maria’s life, and I think this is a subtle hint to why Maria is so attracted to the, now, adult son they had together who apparently looks much like his father.

The home in which they live has an outdoor, rooftop living space. So it seems Santiago has asked his mom to help him finish his final film project so he can pass (or graduate?). And there’s a requirement that it all take place entirely in one take (i.e., no cuts). The plot of Santiago’s film project is such that Santiago plays a young movie director who meets a beautiful, older woman and offers her a part in his movie which has something to do with God’s omnipresence. He mentions to the woman that there is nudity and a sex scene but they are discreet and mild. The older woman agrees to star in this young man’s movie, despite the nude and sex scene. Remember, the “older woman” in his film school project is being played by, Maria, his biological mother in the actual movie, donning a wig and having several outfit changes. Ahem.

So Maria decides to help her son with his project and play the beautiful, older woman. And it seems she does not tell her husband that she is doing this as she has sent him and their daughter away for the weekend. She’s even put up a ‘do not disturb’ sign on the front door. Um..mmmkay. I had to snicker when her young daughter innocently asks mom why she put up a ‘do not disturb’ sign, and Maria responds, “I was helping your brother with his homework.” Yeah, mm-hmm… sure let’s go with that. LOL.

So the actual movie starts out with Santiago’s movie starting and his mom playing the woman he had met arriving at his rooftop location shoot to film their scene. Mother and son – acting as the older woman and the young director - spend the entire duration of the real movie filming their movie. But in the process, they do some serious flirting with each other; teasing each other and, perhaps inadvertently (or perhaps knowingly), raising each other’s libidos. Remember, they’re not supposed to be mother and son in Santiago’s school film, which makes the heavy flirting and teasing…acceptable?

So the “planned” sex scene between “the woman and the younger man” in Santiago’s movie is uneventful, but it obviously aroused them further because after the simulated sex scene, things get interesting. Afterwards, passions are still running high, and in a revelatory moment where mother and son gaze at each other like “I want this. You want this?” They fall to the floor and make passionate love again…only this time for real.

Even though no nudity is ever revealed in this film, the passion and enthusiasm displayed by mother and son during the real sex scene was off the charts for me personally. There’s no holding back their enthusiasm, and it’s loaded with passionate moaning, smooching and multiple orgasms it seems. I was half expecting to see Maria’s eyes roll back into her head at one point. LOL

The aftermath of the unexpected real sex plays out somewhat bittersweet. Both, mother and son, are a bit shell-shocked that they let things escalate, but neither seems repulsed or regretful. Yay! In fact, Maria tells her son it was one of the greatest moments of her life. But now they have a problem. Santiago’s recorder was running the whole time, and if he wants to turn the project in, he cannot cut the scene out. Rut-Roh. He and his mother seem to be at odds whether or not to destroy the videotape. The film wraps up with Maria’s husband and their daughter arriving home unexpectedly and making their way to the rooftop, where mother and son are both acting nervously. After they lie to her husband about how it’s going, Maria, her husband and their daughter head down to the first floor for dinner.

Maria has stolen the videotape of the movie and burns it in her kitchen sink while trying to act normal around her husband who questions her behavior. I couldn’t help feel like it wasn’t entirely shame that Maria was feeling but continued desire for her son. And her desire is evident when Santiago appears from upstairs with his coat and hat on; suitcases packed. Presumably, he is heading back to school?

The passion between mother and son is still running high, so Maria tries to scurry past her son, but he grabs her and spins her into his arms like a classic, black-n-white romance scene! And with Maria’s husband preoccupied in the next room, Santiago kisses his hot, biological mom passionately just like the lovers in those black-n-white movies! Sex scene aside, this kissing scene is the best scene of the movie, in my opinion, because it’s veerrry romantic/classic.

But best of all, during the kissing scene, Maria goes from reluctant and tensed up to relaxed and returning the kiss with fervor. And her husband is just in the next room! One reason I loved this film is because it makes no effort to hide that mother and son are biologically related, yet the flirting, teasing, kissing and sex…especially the sex… are all off the charts. Nice.

Santiago leaves, leaving his mother in tears watching him leave. Is she crying because he may never return after what happened? Or is she crying because she really enjoyed the experience but knows it can never happen again? She returns to her husband who makes a comment about “cutting the umbilical cord” with mama’s boy. I found the comment ironic considering what happened between them. What’s also interesting is that Santiago seemed unbothered that his mother burned the film, leading the viewer (at least this viewer) to wonder if he didn’t’ plan the whole fake thing just to bed his mother? Maria alludes to this possibility earlier in the film but it’s never confirmed.

A final caveat: The movie begins with a crowded film set and crew on the rooftop. The Director on set yells action and Santiago moves into his “film school project” waiting for his older female star. We never see the film crew again, so it was unclear to me what part they play in the movie? This is what I meant that this might have been a movie within a movie within a movie.

I wondered if the film crew is Santiago in the future as a successful Director? It’s important to note that right after mother and son have sex, his mom mentions that she believes Santiago will become a great and famous director. So maybe the movie starts out in the future with an older, Famous Santiago yelling action and then cuts to that (memory of the) fateful night years earlier and the rooftop-film-project that changed his life? Maybe it gave him encouragement and he became famous from his mother’s words of encouragement and sex with her?

Maybe someone who fluently understands the Spanish spoken in the film can explain it for us! The movie is not that difficult to find across the web. I think Dailymotion has the full movie for free but without subtitles. There are other sites, too, but all of them were no subtitles or in other languages besides English. I encourage folks to seek this out and post their thoughts!

Here are a few moments from the film with (hopefully somewhat accurate) English subtitles that I added along with my comments in yellow text.

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Thank you as always for the detailed synopsis and all of the gifs. Boy, that was a fun one. When you mentioned this movie before after the La Tarea mix up, I never would have guessed it had this much to deliver. What a happy find!

Even if it is a movie a within a movie, that’s OK. Either people made it up, or people made up characters who made it up. It works for me. 

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v.c. andrews, flowers in the attic

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because you could've put a bullet in me. dad told you to put a bullet in me, but you didn't. YOU SAVED ME.

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I hope you make it to the day you are 28 years old — Colors by Halsey

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Jon/Sansa- Downton Abbey Au 

Jon: Is your life proving satisfactory, apart from the “Great Matter,” of course?

Sansa: Women like me don’t have a life. We choose clothes, and pay calls, and work for charity, and do the season. But, really, we’re stuck in a waiting room, until we marry.

Jon: I’ve made you angry.

Sansa: My life makes me angry, not you.

For @themiddleliddle, who prompted Mary/Matthew from Downton Abbey for the JonxSansa Couple’s Remix on LJ.

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Just finished Episode 10.

A pair of well-meaning demons offer to take Nezuko in, essentially as family, and protect her, so she's not constantly in danger anymore.

Tanjiro and Nezuko look into each other's eyes, tenderly hold one another's hand, and say "Nezuko and I are staying together. We're not going to split up". The episode is called Together Forever.

No, this isn't a fanfic, this literally happens in the show.

Like, do I even need to say anything?

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I've been watching some more Demon Slayer today. Finished Episode 19. So not only do you have a very powerful demon offering to spare Tanjiro's life if he gives up Nezuko, to which he says he'd rather die than lose her; and Nezuko actively throwing herself in harm's way to protect her brother because she would rather be cut into pieces than see Tanjiro hurt. And not only do we parallel the siblings with the demons and their "forged bonds" of family, but they also basically unlock super powers to protect each other while screaming about how their bond is the greatest thing ever.

AND THEN, AND THEN

The episode ends with special credits of images of them growing up through the years, showing that they've always been close, and the final thing we see is THIS

Look, I'm aware I'm a cest blog and that I just naturally gravitate to sib ships and read between the lines, and that I've been having fun shipping these two during this whole watchalong... but like COME ON!! It had already been REALLY easy to ship them with everything the show had been doing, but what am I even supposed to say to this?? That's a straight up lover's embrace. Like it just is. This is the kind of pose and look characters give in romance stories before their big passionate kiss- and it's an official image at the end of an episode all about how close they are and can't bear to be without the other.

The show itself is shipping them.

(Great episode by the way, might be one of my favourites)

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Tanjiro softly telling a sleeping Nezuko that he has to hurry and turn her back to a Human, otherwise he'll grow old and die while she'll live on and be alone.

MY FUCKING HEART SHOW!!

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Never would've thought I'd come to this, but here we are. Because of someone I've subscribed to on YouTube, I've become intrigued with Demon Slayer. And the most beautiful thing I've seen in that show is...

...the amazing dynamics between Tanjiro and his little sister Nezuko! These two have the greatest sibling dynamics in any anime! So great that there are some people who ship them together, despite them already being family. And I won't deny I'm one of them. It hits me hard because I envy this kind of relationship and wish I had it between me and my own sister. Either way, this anime is amazing and I love seeing every moment between these two.

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To Tanjiro, Nezuko is the most beautiful girl in the world. He'd much rather see her in that dress than that model.

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If Tanjiro shouldn't kiss his sister, then she shouldn't be so nice to him. She shouldn't be so cute. She shouldn't do whatever her big brother tells her to.

And if Nezuko didn't want him to kiss her, she should eat him right now. She should give in to her demon instincts. But she wouldn't because they're in love.

Checkmate.

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why is he so sassy here

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