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you absolutely cannot convince me taylor swift didn't write you know there's many different ways that you can kill the one you love, the slowest way is never loving them enough about goncharov and katya

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Someone mentioned a #TSMidnights song inspired by Goncharov/Katya, which immediately brought to mind the most Andrey/Goncharov-coded song: Mastermind

Because they both thought they were the mastermind of their own fates, but Goncharov never saw it coming, and there was nothing Andrey wanted to do less, or needed to do more

C’mon, I mean “I laid the groundwork, and then/ just like clockwork/ the dominoes cascaded in a line” it screams that heartbreaking end sequence, when the frame changes and it’s just Andrey and Goncharov. Because Andrey was far too prepared to miss. Hell, it wasn’t even supposed to be Goncharov that night, until it was and Andrey could finally see where the dominoes—which were falling the whole movie, which Goncharov himself set in motion— were headed.

When they met, Andrey thought it was “checkmate, [he] couldn’t lose” but he was thinking they’d be on the same side from there on out. And in one sense, he was right: when push came to shove, it was Goncharov, at last, who lost

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Can you hear it? Can you hear the ticking of the clocks, Goncharov?

GONCHAROV (1973) dir. Martin Scorsese

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I rewatched Goncharov (1973) cause of the hype and I needed to sketch something cause I can’t get these characters out of my mind like holy damn. why does this movie have so many killer quotes ;_;

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“we could burn it all down.”

that one scene from goncharov before they get on the train huh….

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How can time be still, and still be running out?

Goncharov (1973) dir. Matteo JWHJ0715

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Ok I did it I finally watched Goncharov (1973) and oh boy…. I love it! The „Time Is Up, Goncharov“ line absolutely killed me though, its been echoing through my brain, it ties in so beautifully with the symbolism of clocks and fate and determinism…. Ugh! Go watch it, its amazing, I‘m in love.

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Goncharov (1973)

"I would say it was time well spent if the last I ever saw was you."

-Goncharov to Andrey Daddano, from the movie Goncharov (1973).

Little fanart I did of this incredible movie, go watch it!!

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Goncharov’s missing hour

Since Goncharov’s missing hour is generally regarded to be important for sealing his fate, yet the viewer misses all of it, I thought I’d try to fill in one 15-minute gap, based on clues from before and after the betrayal ⬇️

It’s safe to assume Goncharov was with Icepick that day, and probably some of the hour. That shot of Morelli looking at his hands after he gets the news (when we know he’s completely innocent) leads me to believe Goncharov might have atoned for the last action he felt guilty for: the destruction of the foreign prince’s gift to Icepick for an ultimately pointless mission (you could literally see the moment he “[ran] out of sorrow and guilt”)

So Icepick wasn’t looking at his hands— he was looking at the gloves! Plus there was a lot of foreshadowing with the department store lady and while it’s a popular theory that Andrey himself or Icepick warned Goncharov, the problem is that he would listen to them.

Goncharov’s a little outdated, but he not especially reckless. I think the sales lady is the one who “didn’t save him” that day. He just wasn’t expecting to hear that from her. And she’s not especially close to him so why would she go the extra mile? Considering she and Katya talked that one time and she saw how unhappy Katya was, she might not even like Goncharov. If someone liked Goncharov, I don’t think they’d let him get betrayed like that*

*except for Andrey lol

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containment breach at polygon (x)

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i’m so glad people have been rediscovering goncharov, this movie makes me insane

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a lot of reddit threads mention Goncharov as proof of the multiverse theory, but don’t bother to brush up on their cinema history where it was common practice to go in and edit film reels in the 70s post-release. Yes, in some versions we remember the grandfather clock scene where it’s revealed Katya survived the boat having faked her own death only to be reborn as the same woman she wished to escape from in the first place. The ending is bittersweet and she appears miserable and alone with a lot of wide shots, she survived but only by using the same tactics as before, she’s stopped in time trying to save both herself and the ideal version of her that is worthy of adoration and love from others, but she can never have both.

In other versions, we stay in Goncharov’s POV and are left to believe Katya is really gone, we refocus on his guilt over choosing loyalty and pride instead of the escapism of a life Katya supposedly offered post-war. However, he knows at this point who he is and how there was no other outcome, not really. And now we, the audience, do too which is why he turns his face away from the camera during his own grandfather clock scene. This version is why some categorize the movie as “mangst, the erotizing,” but Scorsese makes an interesting choice by showing where Katya should be in his life– he lingers by her chair only for us to remember her burning cigarette holes in that same chair earlier; she could never be his home in the same way he would always choose his pride.

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no no no but the way but the way katya's betrayal of goncharov is symbolic of the impossibility of goncharov ever being able to reconcile his selfhood. like throughout the whole movie he's caught between the desire to be protected through strength and violence (as represented by andrey) and the desire to be protected through a quiet life of domesticity (as represented by katya), and he keeps trying to play just enough of a balancing act to keep his life of violence out of his home until he decides that what he really wants is just his quiet home life, and then when he goes to chose katya, she tries to kill him. because what he doesn't understand is that, though they love each other, expecting katya to fulfil her marital gender role is, in a very deep way, it's own type of violence, and having to endure that invisible unnameable violence all these years means that katya was never the safe option. she was always danger, too, goncharov made her into that danger, but could just never see. safety, like his selfhood, was an illusion that he created for himself. that's why he doesn't look surprised when andrey shoots him in the bridge scene, because he finally gets it: this is always how his life was going to end up. he could never be lo straniero, unknown and unharmed, he always had to be goncharov, a figurehead for bloodshed, irrevocably destined to die as a failed martyr.

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You see it, don’t you? 

You’ve become a monster too.

what if that one iconic backstory scene in goncharov (1973) after he makes his first kill but as a movie poster

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Goncharov’s missing hour

Since Goncharov’s missing hour is generally regarded to be important for sealing his fate, yet the viewer misses all of it, I thought I’d try to fill in one 15-minute gap, based on clues from before and after the betrayal ⬇️

It’s safe to assume Goncharov was with Icepick that day, and probably some of the hour. That shot of Morelli looking at his hands after he gets the news (when we know he’s completely innocent) leads me to believe Goncharov might have atoned for the last action he felt guilty for: the destruction of the foreign prince’s gift to Icepick for an ultimately pointless mission (you could literally see the moment he “[ran] out of sorrow and guilt”)

So Icepick wasn’t looking at his hands— he was looking at the gloves! Plus there was a lot of foreshadowing with the department store lady and while it’s a popular theory that Andrey himself or Icepick warned Goncharov, the problem is that he would listen to them.

Goncharov’s a little outdated, but he not especially reckless. I think the sales lady is the one who “didn’t save him” that day. He just wasn’t expecting to hear that from her. And she’s not especially close to him so why would she go the extra mile? Considering she and Katya talked that one time and she saw how unhappy Katya was, she might not even like Goncharov. If someone liked Goncharov, I don’t think they’d let him get betrayed like that*

*except for Andrey lol

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two sides of Dong Mae