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dumping more of my stancest feels here because i cannot NOT think of them. i read journal 3 for the first time this week and its great because Ford acts like stanley's biggest hater which is pretty fking funny (if not absolutely infuriating at times because omfg stfu you smug prick)
but the moments like this get to me
Ford being blinded by his quest of grandeur, accolades and praise for world changing discoveries, so obsessed with greatness, being the first name people remember, and all the other things his npd-isms tells him he wants.
And then there's "reminds me of camping with my brother. i wonder what he's up to..."
i mentioned in my previous post that stan acts quite a lot like the anchor to ford's boat, keeping him grounded and most importantly, safe from both the bitter and the sweet kinds of evils. but he also represents something so much simpler to ford too: the simple desires he represses so much because its not "good enough" for someone special like him.
he resents stan so much because he represents a "block" against that percieved good enough success he wants, the obstacle that made it impossible to get in a fancy college, become the world renowed researcher, the one who wanted to destroy his journal's and lifes work (even though it was the better, safer option if Bill really WAS that dangerous, which he was) that could still make him famous. because if ford's not "praised and weird" then he's just "weird" and being "weird" was nothing but a pain his whole life that kept him rejected and isolated from the masses. and stan prevented him from that.
(btw "maybe he can prove himself to me" is nasty work my god ford is a douche lmao)
a lot of his projections of something greater comes through with how he treated dipper in the show (his whole spiel in damvtf) and fiddleford in journal 3 where he looks down on the happy life that fiddleford had with his wife and child and saying he was "wasting his talents" making computers. and like, we all know by the way he takes them on high stakes adventures they're not as prepared for compared to him (and end up causing more trouble than not by doing so), he's trying to fill a gaping hole left by someone else. we all know this obviously, we all know what we ship here, but what i came to appreciate the most about it is how much that gaping hole exists in the low stakes
everytime ford is thinking during the "down time" moments, his thoughts always drift back to his childhood, and one person who represents it.
childhood memories, making fun of stans favorite snack, scribbling out a design of the stan o war, whenever Ford lets his mind wander it expresses such an intense yearning for the past before he became obsessed with wanting something more. these are his most utmost and most unfiltered thoughts, which is why he scribles them away or and writes in code. and the fact that he directly says they are about NOT getting married, followed with "wondering what he's doing right now", painting the picture of what his most ideal idylic life is. wanting a return of something lost. wanting Stan back more than anything.
he finally accepts that his dream never really changed, just the same as stan's and so they saild off together for the rest of their days, in ford's own words (which ironically sounds like a marriage to me either way so tough shit ford)
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Journal 3’s references to Stan
Post-Weirdmageddon
“I bristled at the idea of sharing my accomplishments with anyone. I shunned my brother for one dumb mistake, and I shunned Fiddleford for having the nerve to try to stop me from dooming the world.”
“I just couldn’t get over the idea of myself as the lone hero.. and it was Stanley who paid the price.”
“Trust shouldn’t be given unconditionally, but it should be given a chance to be earned. There is strength in having the humility to work with and sacrifice for others- a strength I now realize was in my brother all along.”
"Stanley Pines was the man who saved the world, not me. I spent so long thinking he was a selfish jerk, and he turned out to be the most selfless man I've ever met in any dimension. If I'm totally honest, I must admit that he's a hero and I'm... a hero's brother. And I'm okay with that.
Thank goodness he is recovering his wonderfully twisted mind. And I vow to spend the rest of my days making things right between us... If only he gives me a chance."
“When Stanley and I were kids, we would often read tales of the Sibling Brothers- about two boys who dedicated their lives to exploring mysteries together. With a new anomaly to investigate, I’ve been thinking about those tales more and more lately.”
"Dipper is no longer my apprentice, and Fiddleford has a genuine career as an inventor ahead of him- so I think it's time for the Pines Twins to join forces again. At least, I hope so. I haven't discussed my idea with Stan yet. But if I know my brother, he will jump at the chance to find "money and babes.""
"The path before us is clear. And it looks like this:"
“I had suggested to Dipper that because of all the misfortune caused by them, we burn [the Journals] in the last campfire of the summer. Mabel, Soos & Stan all seemed very excited by this notion.”
“You hold a record of one man’s folly and the kindness of a family that saved him from himself. It’s never too late to learn that growing old doesn’t have to mean growing up.”
Other sections: Pre-Portal, Post-Portal, Lost Journal pages + Ford's letters
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Inspired by shmisky's post, here's my redraw of Stan and Ford from the iconic scene from Princess Mononoke. I just HAD to get this one out of my system, I was obsssesseddd
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What should have happened
a tale of two stans but they're self-aware
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Buckle up, guys. This is FORD HAS ALWAYS LOVED STAN VERY MUCH, the meta.
I think a big misunderstanding going on in this fandom, both in our cesty inner circle and outside it, is the idea that Stan was the one yearning for Ford while Ford was too busy passionately hating him (at worst), or indifferent (at best), too focused in his research and academic accomplishments to pay his repressed love for Stan any mind. Ambitious, self-centered Ford, who would be shocked at the preposterous idea that he still loved Stan deep down if, say, his post-Weirdmaggedon future self revealed it to him. “I thought I hated you, but I was wrong,” old Ford would say to Stan, regretful. Now, this couldn’t be further from canon 😭
My controversial take is: Ford has always known he loved Stan. Yes, even at his most bitter. He just didn’t think Stan was worthy of that love.
So I have dedicated this particular meta to pointing out not all (because that would make it longer than Tolstoy’s War and Peace) but the most telling moments re: Ford’s repressed but obvious love for Stan and their implications. With pictures and one (1) random gif I happened to find.
When thinking about Ford’s love for Stan, I often think of I Bet My Life by Imagine Dragons:
I’ve been around the world and never in my wildest dreams
Would I come running home to you
I’ve told a million lies but now I tell a single truth
There’s you in everything I do
Because Stan is in literally everything he does, sometimes in ways so subtle that people miss it, and in ways that Ford himself would love to deny, even if it meant lying to himself. Like I said in a previous meta, Ford is very, very sentimental, and that is reflected in his relationship with Stan through the decades, with all the different paths he takes to cling to his past and the idea of his brother.
Let’s explore some examples, shall we? We don’t need to go far.
First of all, the Mystery Shack cottage, commissioned by Ford and built by Dan Corduroy, is clearly based off a childhood toy he shared with Stan.
It doesn’t stop there, of course. Ford loves his boat motif decorations.
And would you look at that, his favorite place in his beloved Gravity Falls, a town full of wondrous places full of fantastical anomalies and literally a weirdness magnet, is, for some reason, a lake. A very weird lake? A very cool lake? No, a lake that reminded him of his childhood aka Stan. “There is no other place in Gravity Falls I would rather be than the lake.”
But that isn’t enough for Ford. He must keep, still, pictures and videos of Stan. People usually focus on the overall adorableness of, say, Ford leaning his head on Stan’s shoulders or Ford’s apologies to notice the implications of what Dipper says: “Ford even found an old film reel of them as kids, which he amazingly saved all these years.” Even Dipper himself is amazed. I’ve seen people assuming that Ford had these and forgot about them, or that Caryn (their mother) was the one to send him these and he simply agreed to avoid a fight (because there is a tendency in this fandom to think of her as a very loving mother). Years later, TBoB was like, “nuh-uh, children, that was all Ford Pines being Ford Pines!” How so? Ford not only does remember these itens, but he makes a conscious effort to hide them from Fiddleford, worried that his friend was getting “too close” (from what? from the inner depths of his heart and mind, where Stanley was?) “I’ve quickly re-hidden here, away from prying eyes.” Oh, Ford.
And a picture of teenage Stan, too! You would think he would just attach himself to the idealized version of baby Stan in his head to feed his nostalgia and completely ignore teenage Stan, the traitor, the one who destroyed his science project. But no, Ford wouldn’t be Ford if he acted normal about Stan. The funniest thing to me about the ripped yearbook page is that it implies Ford made the conscious decision to include Stan as he ripped the page off, when he could have just focused on his own picture. And then we also have his drawing of Stan, a perfectly accurate portrayal of Stan’s face as he got kicked out, implying that not only he paid an enormous amount of attention to his brother and how he looked like back then, but that particular image was living rent free in his brain. Very vividly. With details.
Now, folks, do we have any doubt whatsoever of the power Stan had in Ford’s psyche? Seeing that this is how the bedrock of Ford’s mind looked like? The boat, the swing set? I’ve seen it suggested before that these items represent Ford’s greatest regrets — I don’t know if I fully agree with that take, seeing as the swing set is fully intact, unlike in Stan’s mind, but one thing is true: they represent what Ford deep down thinks is most important, and two of three are directly related to Stan. Even the portal, from a certain angle, is connected to Stan.
But back to pictures. In a previous analysis, I’ve pointed out that, according to Alex, that picture of Stan has always been in Ford’s coat pocket, through all the decades, even before Bill’s betrayal. That’s why it’s so damaged. He was dimension hopping with it. I don’t think I even need to make any comment here, hahah.
But one last thing I would like to point out is: Stan Pines is very much his weakness. Ford knows this and accepts this with shocking ease. How so? Well, first of all, the nightmare he had. As he tells us about it in Journal 3, even though he attempts to make light of the situation, his hand is clearly trembling as he writes, making drops of ink splatter on the page. The climax of his nightmare, the peak, the scariest moment was when Ford realized he was not the one at risk; rather, Stan was. “I realized my hand wasn’t chasing after me at all—it was chasing after my brother, and it was going to squeeze him to death!” And then, may it be noticed, there was no hesitation whatsoever on Ford’s part about whether to save Stan or not, nor does he try to hide his protective reaction. It was immediate and instinctive. “I tried to run to help him, but my feet were frozen.” It’s very telling that the Dream Hipster, the nightmare inducing ghost, thought that Stanley Pines would be the most effective thing to make Ford shake in his boots. Not even, say, failing and being ridiculed by other scientists, considering how ambitious he was.
And you know who else has noticed this weakness? Bill Cipher, of course. After psychologically, emotionally, and physically abusing Ford in horrific manners (including but not limited to: forcing him to eat spiders, driving a nail into his hand, and making him wake up on the snowy roof of the Mystery Shack as a symbolic threat of forced suicide), Bill involves Stan, as the grand finale. “But then he crossed a line.” Oh, did he, Ford? Why was your brother that line? “No. He wouldn’t.” Ford couldn’t even believe Bill’s audacity in involving Stan, even though he very much already knew Bill was as evil as evil could get. Because Bill knew, having free access to Ford’s mind, how terribly important Stan was: the person Ford loved the most in the world, more than himself.
That is why, when Stan-as-Ford tells Bill, “My only condition is that you let my brother and the kids go!” Bill easily believes him. Because he thought that it would be in-character for Ford. And Bill wouldn’t be wrong, not at all. He wouldn’t, because Ford himself was the one to tell Stan: “We need to take his deal. It’s the only way he’ll agree to save you and the kids.” It’s blaffling to me how many fans seem to forget Ford’s own words, and the fact Ford was very, very much willing to damn the whole universe (with seven billion people living on Earth at the time) to save three (3) people, including Stan. That Stan himself was the one to oppose and stop him. I think that happens because people buy Ford’s facade of Cold Responsible Greater Good Guy, which couldn’t be more deceiving. At this point I’m begging you guys to look deeper!
And, as the grand finale, I choose to point out how young adult Ford, still in college, with his bitterness and resentment still very fresh, admits to missing Stan. He wrote, “miss you” in their Bro Code, the code he memorized and never forgot. He not only thought about Stan, which would be understandable, since all of us have intrusive thoughts, but he took the time to write it down, and in code, which would be even more difficult than just writing it in English. That requires at least some level of acceptance. You may not be able to filter your thoughts, but you are able to filter your writing.
Ford does attempt to filter his writing, I know, by crossing out a lot of lines in Journal 3, most of them about Stan. But he does not cross out all of it. He freely admits to having a nightmare about Stan, to wanting to protect Stan from the giant six-fingered hand, to having the lake as his favorite place, to missing Stan, etc. I think that Ford, if asked about his love for Stan back then, would also freely admit to it, as well. Stan is his twin brother. Of course he loves Stan. He just doesn’t like Stan, or trust him, or think Stan is worthy of that love.
The way I see it, Dipper was someone Ford loved (deeply rooted, complex emotion), liked (felt fondness towards), and trusted (to be capable of handling all the mystery stuff). Mabel was someone he loved, liked, but didn’t trust (due to his constant projecting). Stan was someone he didn’t like nor trust, not anymore, but still loved with a fierce intensity of one thousand suns.
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Charge him triple the price, Stan!
Sooo. I saw this post . Don't get me wrong I loved it. But it also made me sad. There was a sentence about Ford paying half the price for a blowjob. I thought, what if it was the other way around? What if Stan asked for more money from Ford? I thought it would be kinda funny.
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David Fisher-Six Feet Under Credited as being the first realistic portrayal of a gay lead character, Michael C. Hall did a fantastic job of playing the middle child in this family in the funeral business. He was the classic story of the kid that wanted to do everything perfectly to compensate for being neither the first or the baby. He could come off as uptight, but underneath he had a sharp sense of humor. I need to do a rewatch of this series-add it to my long list, sigh. Oh, and if anyone’s wondering-his answer to the top or bottom question was, “I’m versatile.”
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Average day out on the Stan’O’War 2. I gotta say that I definetly got inspired by some awesome artists who really kicked off my hyperfixation on the Grunkles and other Gravity Falls characters in general. This was just a quick little drawing slideshow in between other projects. Hope you like it.
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Soooo I watched Dexter first because I like crime shows but now watching Six Feet Under.. and 👆 Michael C Hall is in it.. (his characters name is David Fisher) and his boyfriend in it is Keith Charles .. looks so much like James Doakes my mind is 🤯 (they have same mustache I mean and even at moments I think I’m re watching Dexter since Michael C Hall does Dexter faces/actions haha).. but gave me an idea anyone want to rp David and Keith?? I’ll try as Keith.
And love this quote from Michael C Hall “I think there’s a spectrum. I am on it. I’m heterosexual. But if there was a percentage, I would say I was not all the way heterosexual.”
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Speak your truth! There’s not nearly enough fics with Bottom Stan/Top Ford! Ford literally stays strapped and Stan always complain about his back, it’s there in the wood work
You get it!!! Ford gets off on making stan his bitch and he likes seeing stan all soft and vulnerable under him. Like yes I can totally get behind stan topping too I just really like the idea of that big beefy man being used and taken care of by his older (by 15 mins lol) brother.
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This is what I thought the show was going for in the first place, not killed off B 🥹
Imagine what could have been if Dexter & Brian made out BEFORE it is revealed to the audience that they are biological brothers? Before Brian triggers Dexter's memories & Dexter remembers his real name & how they ended up where they ended up. I'm mostly talking about the show as I'm thinking about the "Ken, why the cold shoulder?" & "Barbie, be patient." ones. About Dexter waking up 'before normal people wake up' & Brian is already there, made him coffee & breakfast. About Brain helping Dexter out with that morgue situation, driving in the night, covering for Dexter. The connection. The appreciation.
But also the book, where Dexter is dreaming as he breathes about the killer, and he doesn't know it's his brother, taking him out on a date, feeling almost giddy about this said killer.
Guys, seriously. This was romantically coded, I swear. Oh, the rage, the fury the audience would've felt if Brian & Dexter, having this extreme on screen chemistry, would've made out, & THEN, at the very end of s1, it'd have been revealed that they share the same trauma AND the same DNA. And that's why they relate to one another so much. That's why they kill similarly. Oh, i would have LOVED watching this unfold.
The creators took two incredibly talented actors that have, and i mean it, an insanely good chemistry on screen. Two romantically coded characters. And made them into biological brothers. And then backed up. Well, sure, Jan. They either should not have been brothers or the creators simply should have went with it, without getting cold feet. After all, Dexter and Brian are two serial killers that can't feel & don't have a conscious, am I right? They wouldn't feel guilty or weird about having a good time with each other (because why would they?).
Also, that's the thing that gets me about this ship & DexDeb the most. Dexter doesn't remember he has a brother until the very end. They could have EASILY had an affair if Brian wanted them too (aka not saying they are brother & triggering the memories). Dexter sees him as another dude, and it was stated in literally 1x01 that he's bisexual. So, Dexter having a connection with Brian/Rudy & Deborah getting jealous over it, over spending time with Dexter & cooking for him? Another sign of this romantic coded thing (the audience & Dexter still don't know it's his brother!). The point is that Dexter remembers Deb MUCH better than Brian (yet he kisses her, & the show went there). So for people who ship DexDeb but not Mosercest because the second is somehow worse because they are, what a disgrace, siblings... Dex not remembering Brian & not seeing him as his brother & having feelings for him is somehow worse than Dex & Deb growing up together & considering each other a brother & a sister? Are y'all for real?
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Me when I join any fandoms
Joining a dead fandom is like: you dug up a corpse. You got it some clothing, just to get by at first. You give it more pretty clothing as the time goes (gifs & fanfiction & art). You drag it around on your back and it might also be fun—up to a certain point, while you're fine with dragging it on your back only, with no help from outside. Because other people look at you and either run away or try to ignore you as hard as possible. You and your corpse don't exist. They want you to lie it down and let it rest.
You give the corpse even more fun and beautiful clothing.
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I wanted to catch up to this truck and see for myself, oh how I wanted to put my hand on the truck, open the door to the cabin, look inside-
And then what? Arrest him single-handed? Take him by the hand to dear Detective LaGuerta? See what I caught? Can I keep him? It was just as likely that he would keep me. He was in full hunting mode, and I was merely tagging along behind like an unwanted little brother.
— Darkly Dreaming Dexter: chapter 9.
And, surprise surprise, he was a very wanted little brother. It's what Brian wanted all along—to make him remember, to be with him, and to play with him. And Dexter wanted all the same.
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pipe it down brian
and by "it" i don't mean your brother
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