lucky1013

[lucky1013]

Defending Wilbur is insane when he actively admits to being an abuser. Pretending like he didn't do it is delusional at best and disgusting at worst. He did awful things to shbble + his other exes. Stop pretending otherwise. You don't have to justify still liking him by lying. Just admit it and get over it.

Ohhhh, thank you for this one. I love a chance to fight against idiocy. And it’s even got my favorite over-used insults - insane, delusional, disgusting. Get in the ring, you little twat.

You say to me, “he actively admits to being an abuser.”

What? Why are earth do you think that? Seriously?

Reply with whatever proof you have— clips or screenshots— of Wilbur admitting to being an abuser. Having trouble finding it? I’ll wait.

Your claim is demonstrably false. In case that’s too big of a word, it means it is EASY TO SHOW that it’s NOT TRUE.

(Note that I’m using lots of bold and CAPS because you are going to skim this. How do I know? Your comments show me that you’re more of a shame-and-harass kid than a details kid.)

Will’s actual statements:

Feb 2024, Twitter:

“The allegation of abuse, particularly in the form of biting, deeply shocked me.”

June 2025, YouTube:

“All I can say is that the labels that have been attributed to me by social media are not true and I don’t accept them.”

June 2025, on Reddit:

“…I’ve said pretty clearly now that the things I’ve been labelled as aren’t true and I knew it would be hard for people online to accept…”

On “You’re Disgusting”

It’s the favorite, juvenile insult for people who refuse to cancel Wilbur. I’m neither insulted nor impressed.

Defending someone who is under attack is not disgusting. Fighting against the spread of misinformation is not disgusting.

Want to know what’s disgusting?

- Harassing people

- Repeating lies

- Ostracizing and shaming

- Smugly finding pleasure in cancelling someone

Move on.

[lucky1013]

Shelby, oh Shelby.

You are responsible for this. You set this fire and walked away. Well there is lasting collateral damage.

You appear to be ignoring this or watching from the sidelines, seemingly unmoved by the fact that your statements have been simplified, exaggerated, misunderstood, reduced to one word - and used relentlessly to hurt and destroy.

Is this what you think, truly?

Will is an Abuser, full stop? Of no value, not a person, not deserving to be seen or heard for ever and ever?

What you described was obviously more complicated than that one word. But that is all anyone heard. And it’s caused public to feel justified in forgetting he’s human.

ANY post, any show, anything at all that Lovejoy tries to do is undercut by internet kids “informing” he’s an abuser and shaming anyone who dares to do business with him.

Do you know what this means for Lovejoy? That venues and people who have never met Will, who will never even know anything about this, will shun him entirely?

Because the teens on the internet who were never old enough to understand this told them he’s an Abuser?

Whatever your goals were, they couldn’t possibly have been this.

Will is not “an abuser.” He’s a person. Perhaps you could deign to remind the Internet of that.

[lucky1013]

It feels so good, doesn’t it?

Here’s a flag for you,

a salute to the brave Lovenjoyers with the balls to live out loud.

(And oh quiet ones, maybe it’s your time. If you’re flirting with coming out of the closet, c’mon, the water is fine.)

[lucky1013]

Anons!

If you’ve reached out on asks or by mention about drama and harassment happening in our corner of the world, DMs are open! I don’t want to post replies to my blog. (I’m not actually tracking what’s happened either, lots going on and when I try to look stuff up I can’t find it ♥️)

Someday there will be peace on the hillside again 😝🖤😎

[lucky1013]

Wake up, babe.

Time to buy some concert tickets.

[lucky1013]

Anons, i don’t mean to ignore you, i promise. Real life is requiring my attention and I haven’t been able to respond thoughtfully. ♥️♥️ sincere thanks for your notes, long and short. ♥️♥️

[lucky1013]

I agree wholeheartedly with the last anon, it’s like they’re writing the exact way I’m feeling. I think there’s way more people than we realize who feel so devastated by this situation and we’re all just scared to talk about it. I wish I could be brave and post my thoughts publicly and try to have conversations to maybe DO something about it all. Because there’s so many of us suffering and feeling alone and ashamed for the suffering.

Anons point about relistening to POABS also hit home to me. Everything he writes is desperation and apologetic and that emotion was what I always related to and always adored his writing of it. And to see him bludgeoned for all the things he’s ashamed of hurts so badly, because they’re all the things I’m ashamed of myself. His begging is my begging and if it didn’t do him any good then what chance do I have?

I have good days and bad days when it comes to this stuff. There were times last year where every free moment of every day was refreshing every social and every account discussing him in hopes that someone would say something that would free me from the dread. But now i sometimes go a week without checking socials. It’s gotten better, but it’s still a knife to the heart whenever I think about it. I still cry myself to sleep about it some nights.

Idk what I’m trying to say with all this. I guess, a thank you, to all the commenters and anons who help me feel less alone. Make me feel less pathetic and freakish and parasocial for being so affected by this for so long. And thank you lucky for sharing your extremely well phrased and nuanced writings, for your compassion and understanding while also putting your foot down about what you believe. For your bravery in posting these things and your integrity to argue for them without resorting to the bullying I see everywhere else.

One day I’ll start my own blog for my thoughts on all of this, I just haven’t worked up the courage yet.

My heart is going to explode again. It’s almost self indulgent to reply publicly because you flatter me so much. Thank you.

I’m not so brave. But very full of hope and conviction. I get my feelings hurt a few times a week (even today) bc I’m squishy like that. Can’t stop thinking I can change minds which is so egotistical. Full of my own flaws… but isn’t that part of the point?

We’re all out here doing our best.

I think so is Will.

Even when we’re awful, it might be our best for the moment. We’re trying to do what we think is right. Sometimes we’re in the muck of depression. Or just have our heads so far up our own asses that we can’t see that we’re hurting someone. Or even, if you’re any one of those CCs, disoriented by the haze of celebrity.

I know you and your friends hurt, and so many of you are hiding how much. I wish you did t feel ashamed, because it’s only a sign of your humanity. I wish you felt you could celebrate the fact that you have a full and beating heart.

I hope the people who are left in the middle, unable to forgive Will but unable to walk away, will figure out that it’s perfectly okay to open their arms again. They have the power to let go of the need for some resolution and choose love and acceptance.

Okay. This got away from me. Edit tomorrow.

Anon, you are not alone. Not even close. You are one of a million stars twinkling out there in the night, wishing you knew how to reach each other.

[lucky1013]

feel free to ignore this as I know it might be somewhat out of nowhere/overbearing. I see you as a nuanced person haha. so this is somewhat of a confession.

to be honest I don't really know how to discuss this sort of thing in wss anti spaces. there is, even if you are disturbed by the allegations, an expectation that you shouldn't be affected by what Wilbur was accused of, that being hurt or shocked or devastated is extremely parasocial. so even in mourning I cannot say much as people around me will see me as a fool.

i love wilbur. he saved me. seriously. i won't go any further than that because it's such a cliche but that did happen and I can't ignore it and I love him for it. and for a year I just silently detached from Lovejoy, Wilbur, etc; i spoke disparagingly about him in private among friends but it was in private. the idea that he was suffering all along, that he was being harassed and abandoned, hurt me so badly I felt like I couldn't breathe. but i had to compartmentalize. i didn't understand I was in denial until I lost my grandmother and the pieces fit together.

over a year later the grief is hitting me for the first time and I just feel nauseous. i want him to be happy and well. i really do. he means the world to me. but sometimes I cannot help but go "what if he did do these things?". not specifically shubble but the allegations from rue and Alice scare me. i want to trust him but I also don't know him. and I guess I feel kind of ridiculous.

i was listening to portrait of a blank slate for the first time in awhile and I felt like I could understand the lyrics now. in the song he's begging us (or his lover, I think it's both) to see him as a normal person and keep him even if he's flawed and human. he stuck so hard to a moral image that I bet he felt stifled and stuck. being in a fandom that paints you as somewhat of a savior couldn't help. i can't help but feel like he wants to be forgiven and given the chance to grow just like a non-famous person would have. but he was condemned instead. it makes me feel so nauseous.

thank you for listening

I am happy to listen, and would listen to you all day.

Because this is what was missing. This acknowledgement that it just isn’t simple. And that it hurts. And that WS is a person, a person who was loved, and had value to each of you, even though his faults were always there.

I feel strongly that there is so much misunderstanding in this situation. Misunderstandings between the people involved, misunderstandings in what the public thinks it all meant, misunderstanding of W’s statements and perspective, misunderstandings about the complexity of navigating relationships, misunderstandings about words used to describe hurt and anger.

I don’t know if you want this to be out there in the public or if it was meant just for me…but didn’t have another way to respond. DM if you want to chat, a lot or a little, about any of it. I wouldn’t ever put your name out there in the public.

(Also message if u want me to delete this!)

[lucky1013]

Those of you who have left Lovejoy behind in some sort of misguided punishment are missing an epic new era. I’m sorry for you, I guess, but mostly happy for myself and my fellow Lovenjoyers that we are here to witness it. They are better than ever, they know who they are, and believe it or not. they don’t need you.

[lucky1013]

Can’t We All Agree to Disagree?

~ or ~

Let’s Not Twitter our Tumblr

For past and present Lovejoy and Wilbur Soot fans, it’s been a wild week. Let’s review:

Will did an album Q&A on r/lvjy.

Will made a statement, stating clearly that the (abuser) labels are not true and he does not accept them.

A Wilbur Soot YouTube video dropped.

Lovejoy dropped “With Rob as my Witness.” (It’s a banger.)

The music video came out.

With optimism and excitement comes, of course, its counterbalance. Outrage, criticism, what-about-ism, pessimism. There’s this reflex to to smother joy, to remind people how wrong they are, how right you are, how there is only one way to interpret things.

This past week, I’ve found myself commenting on posts I find offensive. I’ve been mixing it up with people with whom I will forever fervently disagree. Even on Tumblr. Their venom sparks my outrage. They think I’m disgusting for ‘supporting an abuser;’ I think they’re disgusting for refusing to consider the voice of the accused. I just can’t resist taking the bait, and in the end feel shitty and sad.

Everyone wanted Wilbur to get in the dirt and say every little thing he’s been holding inside on this topic. We all want to hear it (even though we know it’s not smart, even if we claim we’re above it).

Supporters want to hear him explain himself, defend himself, offer details that will exonerate.

Those who’ve denounced him want to hear him say, “I did it, I admit I’m an abuser, and I apologize.”

But he won’t.

He knows more than we do.

Here’s what he knows:

Exonerate: He knows that there is no such thing as exoneration when the charge is subjective interpretation of a messy interpersonal relationship. He knows that he and his ex-girlfriend understood these events differently, and there is no proving or disproving those understandings.

Admit: He will not admit to abuse, because he does not believe that he abused her. He stated the label is not true.

Apologize: Of course that means he can’t apologize for abusing her, because (again) he does not accept that this was abuse. (If your lawyer tells you to apologize for a crime you didn’t commit, fire your lawyer.)

He apologized for other conduct that he did acknowledge. Shelby did not accept the apology. Neither did many of you. Another apology—some mythical, better, different apology— does not make sense. It’s not forthcoming.

So let it go.

Stop.

We’re all fighting and no minds will change.

Even if you’re criticizing Wilbur’s silence and refusal to get into the mud on this— you’ve got to be impressed by his self control. Do you honestly think he doesn’t want to scream and yell, pour it all out there, tell every little thing he’s been holding inside for months?

He realizes it won’t help.

Wilbur’s biting his tongue. Controlling himself. Letting horrible statements sit unanswered.

So let’s try.

Agree that we viscerally disagree.

Agree that we cannot reconcile these differences. There is a chasm between our viewpoints.

Let’s keep Tumblr nice. Let’s stay out of posts that enrage us.

If you think Wilbur Soot is a horrible person, trust me, he’s not trying to win you back. That’s not what the video was about. He doesn’t care that his audience is smaller and different. If you’re in need of a victory lap then celebrate that he’s lost lots of fans.

Move forward and choose for yourself. And let’s try not to dwell on it. Live and let live.

[lucky1013]

There seems to be a bit of surprise and new expressions of ‘ouch’ about Will’s mention of spending time in a psychiatric ward.

Didn’t you all expect it?

I admit when I first read it I thought he meant artistically, like maybe the ARG house was an old psych ward…but it makes perfect sense that he meant it, the comment slipping out in a fleeting moment of openness.

It should fall quietly. There shouldn’t be a drop of shock.

Total rejection by a public that used to love you, to say nothing of your friends and colleagues, would have devastating effects.

Those effects would certainly have been acute and immediate last March and April. They will be long lasting. The damage will be permanent.

He will learn to live with the scars, and how it feels to live with them will be personal, secret, none of our business.

My heart is broken but not by this new information.

It broke last Spring when we understood what was happening. It broke while we watched young people wholeheartedly believe that they were standing up for women by destroying a human being.

We didn’t used to be a culture that believed it human sacrifices. We didn’t used to applaud revenge. We used to believe in fair trials. We didn’t used to consider people who tease, shun, and vilify others the ones on the moral high-ground.

Ex-fans, no one is begging you to come back. If you’ve moved on, great, good for you. You’re not needed. (If you’re still making fun and harassing, be embarrassed—but hopefully that’s not you.).

Maybe someday you’ll step back and look at the whole picture. Maybe someday you’ll realize that you could have seen both sides of this. Maybe someday you’ll see that it was never black and white, and that you can’t clearly understand a situation that you were not a part of. Maybe someday you will see that a public execution for failures in a personal relationship is so, so unfair.

Maybe someday you will recognize that people have the power to cause irreparable harm, especially acting as a group.

Maybe you’ll feel some regret. (Although I don’t dare even hope for that.) If you do— be brave. People will follow your lead; whether you’re right or wrong, they always do.

[lucky1013]

Anon, darling,

Your ask is so personal that I thought it would be best not to post it, so I’ll comment here and hope you see.

First— good for you, for fighting your own demons and finding your way through. Taking responsibility for hurt caused to others, but still understanding that there are internal struggles that cause all of this and fighting to overcome them.

Isn’t that all we should ask for?

Tons of the people who took a stand against Wilbur say they can’t support him until he changes and that they “hope he gets better.”

But they didn’t actually mean it at all. Those who wish him death and say f$ck the abu$er are horrible but at least not lying to themselves. The heartless language matches their heartless behavior.

Someone who shuns and ostracizes another person does not ‘hope they get better.’ It’s totally counter to that sentiment.

It’s not that they think he can’t change, but that they don’t care if he does.

Proof that he was changing wasn’t enough, because as you point out, they had this before she spoke out. Those intervening months were full of signs and statements reflecting introspection, acceptance of responsibility, and desire to improve. This was after the relationship and before the public shaming — making it even more earnest.

These people mean that he doesn’t deserve the opportunity to change.

He does. You do. We all deserve the opportunity to change, to grow, to be heard and understood. We are all accountable for our actions, but we deserve to have the whole picture considered. And when we’ve voiced our struggles, acknowledged causing harm to others, and expressed a longing and willingness to improve, we should all be given support.

Anon, I support you. Try everyday to love yourself and feel proud of how far you have come. Forgive yourself— not because you excuse but because you understand. I’m impressed, and you should be too.

[lucky1013]

Y’all. I’ve been so looking forward to this Lovejoy Nation episode.

They’re talking with a psychologist about Will’s cancelling and what you’ve all been through as a fanbase. There’s so much more to say and there is no point in pussyfooting around it — it just feels great to hear them discuss it publicly. Especially now that there’s been enough time to step back and look. Go listen if you haven’t yet.

I believe the podcast will be doing more episodes in mental health later on and I am totally here for it.

[lucky1013]

All I want to do is hole up and write. No working, no household managing, no real world events. I want to curl up alone in my room and write philosophy and fantasy all day long.

I’m short on philosophy these days and feel sorry that I’ve left you in the lurch. But not feeling compelled to preach might be a sign there is actually (finally) less to preach about — which is a wonderful thing.

So on to the fantasy I guess.

//

[lucky1013]

As someone who has been in a situation similar to Shelby's I think it's important to be able to let people grow up.

There was this human let's call him B. B did something far worse than Will. And both me and the other person B hurt distanced ourselves from them.

Yet I don't want B to be HATED by everyone forever because the point is not to punish. It's to encourage growth and a shift in mindset.

How could B ever become a decent human being if nobody wants them to be around? All ostracizing and isolation does is perpetuate the cycle of pain for everyone.

You get it. Isolation and ostracizing causes new harm.

I hope you and got what you needed in walking away and that u are stronger because of it. And I hope that B has (or will) become a better person and better partner—-and if not, that’s on them, good riddance.

[lucky1013]

as someone who used to be a fan of Wilbur, I truly do not understand how you can just excuse all of the horrible nasty things he's done. I hope that you wake up and realise one day what a terrible person he is

Anon, someday I hope you wake up and realize how wrong it is to declare someone a terrible person.

Who decides what makes someone a terrible person? Do you believe people are either good or terrible?

If you have told a lie, are you just a liar? If you fuck something up, are you a fuck-up?

—-

I think our disconnect, mine and yours, is clear in several parts of your statement:

You: ‘how can you excuse…’

Me: accept is not the same as excuse. I don’t excuse, I tolerate faults and failures.

You: “all of the horrible nasty things he’s done.”

Me: ive seen all of the material out there (and im sure you have too). I believe some of the ‘things’ cited by your side are being mischaracterized and blown far out of proportion. I’m not saying he is perfect and hasn’t hurt anyone- my issue is with people making it more than it was.

You: “what a terrible person he is.”

Me: I think it’s straight up wrong to reduce someone to their faults and failures. We all hurt each other to varying degrees. I believe we’re all more than the worst we have done. When you decide who to call terrible, do you look at the whole of the person? Not just the bad, but all the evidence of good? Of growth? Of struggle? Of remorse?

You said ‘I truly do not understand…’ Im guessing you don’t want to understand— but if you do, scroll to the bottom and read my essays on the topic.

[lucky1013]

Bravo.

The situation involving Shelby (Shubble) and Wilbur Soot, alongside the involvement or commentary from others like Niki, Minx, Alice, and Rue, is a deeply nuanced and emotionally charged subject that deserves careful and respectful consideration. In moments like these, it's important to hold space for complexity. There are rarely simple villains or heroes in personal relationships, particularly those that span years, involve public figures, and are filtered through the lens of parasocial dynamics and internet virality.

First, it’s crucial to acknowledge that every woman who has spoken about her experiences with Wilbur has a right to her truth and to be heard without being silenced or dismissed. Shelby’s openness, along with that of Rue and the others, undoubtedly took courage. Their stories matter, and their emotional realities deserve respect, even if hard evidence has not been made public. However, it’s also essential to remember that accusations, especially when unaccompanied by proof, must be handled with care. There is a line between believing survivors and blindly condemning someone without due process or verification. That line exists not to discredit victims, but to protect the sanctity of truth and ensure fairness for all parties involved.

The situation becomes even more complex when we factor in the other women historically associated with Wilbur—Niki, Minx, Alice, and Rue. Each had unique interactions with him that have added layers to this narrative. Some of them have expressed pain, confusion, or frustration, while others have stayed silent or ambiguous. But within all of their stories, it's clear that Wilbur, like many people, may have made mistakes, possibly acted selfishly, or handled emotionally intimate situations poorly. That doesn't make him inherently evil or predatory—it makes him human, albeit flawed, just like anyone else.

At the same time, it’s equally important to validate the feelings of the women who felt misled, hurt, or manipulated. Even if there was no malicious intent, emotional harm can still occur. However, to assume that all fault lies with Wilbur and none with the people around him—especially in emotionally complicated, sometimes romantically coded friendships or relationships—is to deny the agency of everyone involved. Sometimes pain is born not from abuse, but from unmet expectations, miscommunication, or one-sided emotional investments. These are common, heartbreaking human experiences that don't always require someone to be labeled a villain.

Regarding the reactions of support groups, particularly the “Shubble Support Squad,” there’s a serious issue that must be addressed. It is deeply troubling to see fans issuing death threats, doxxing, or harassing anyone who dares to question the narrative or show support for Wilbur. No matter how righteous someone believes their cause is, weaponizing trauma to control public opinion or silence dissent is both toxic and dangerous. Mental health has been sidelined in these conversations—especially that of the accused—and that’s alarming. People seem quick to overlook the immense psychological toll public shaming and mob hatred can take on an individual, regardless of whether that person is guilty or not.

This trend of “believe victims no matter what” can be weaponized when accountability is demanded without evidence or nuance. Belief should not equate to blind allegiance, nor should it mean automatic punishment. If we truly care about justice, we must care about all mental health—not just that of the alleged victims, but also of the accused, especially when proof hasn’t been presented. Otherwise, we are not seeking justice; we are seeking vengeance.

On the other side, many of Wilbur’s supporters have handled the situation with far more composure. For the most part, they are not threatening Shelby or others, nor are they harassing dissenting opinions into silence. They continue to enjoy Wilbur’s content without imposing their views violently onto others, and that maturity should be acknowledged. However, there is also an unsettling subset of fans who have responded to this entire situation by doubling down on parasocial behavior—specifically by overly sexualizing Wilbur in an effort to “defend” him or turn the narrative back toward lighthearted fan worship. This too is inappropriate. Reducing a person—especially in the context of a serious and emotionally heavy public discussion—to a sex symbol or object of thirst is not only tone-deaf, but contributes to the very culture that allows people to ignore boundaries and forget that creators are, first and foremost, human beings.

In truth, there are no real “winners” in this scenario. What we’re seeing is the collapse of boundaries between public and private life, between support and fanaticism, between genuine concern and performative outrage. The internet is ill-equipped for the emotional depth required to process real human relationships, yet we keep turning to it for absolution and punishment.

As observers, fans, or even casual followers, we owe it to everyone involved—Wilbur, Shelby, Niki, Rue, Minx, Alice, and anyone else affected—to take a step back, reflect, and engage with maturity. We don’t need to take sides to care. We can acknowledge the pain expressed by the women involved while also recognizing that unproven allegations should not result in career destruction or character assassination. We can respect survivors without feeding into cancel culture hysteria. And we can support a creator without idolizing them or dismissing the hurt others have experienced.

At the end of the day, the most important thing is empathy. Not for one side over another, but for everyone—for the broken friendships, the miscommunications, the people hurting behind screens, and the very real consequences of internet discourse.