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It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in this life. shame on this "istumpysk". an abomination.

Imagine posting something this disgusting about a 13 year old rape and abuse victim who suffered a miscarriage. Imagine being this fucking horrible of a human being. Sansa stans are some of the vilest most disgusting people I have ever seen in any fandom, literally what the fuck is wrong with these people.

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I often see comments how Jace coming up with the idea of letting the dragonseeds claim dragon is stupid, because why would you give away dragons to strangers?

While I think it's valid criticism, it's important to note that it's said with the knowledge that some of those dragonseeds will betray the Blacks. Some riders, like Nettles and Addam, were loyal to the end, and never betrayed Rhaenyra. Also, a very important fact to remember, is that, this was a decision made in the desperate times of war, by a fifteen year old, who, by the way, controlled the dragonseeds until he died. (And how sad it is that Jace died thinking that he helped his mother a huge advantage with the numerous, loyal dragonriders on her side!)

With all that in mind, I would like to kindly remind those, who are trashing on Jace for "giving living nukes to strangers" and "destroying the image of the Targaryens" that it was the great king Jaehaerys himself, who first sought the opinions of non-Targaryens in the matter of their House. Jaehaerys set up a Council for the lords to vote for the next heir to the Throne, therefore allowing them to dictate the sucesssion in a way they had no business. It's no surprise the greens feel entitled to dismiss the King's chosen heir, when decades before Jaehaerys greenlighted this behavior, and even encouraged it. Jaehaerys' stupid decision to involve the nobilty in the sucesssion of his House, something he could easily decide, is barely mentioned, yet alone clowned on, unlike the plot of dragonseeds, even if they are both in one way damaging to the untouchable power of the Targaryens.

By the way, if it were any of the green men coming up with this idea, you know their fans would act like they were the second coming of Aegon I (or Jaehaerys) and post long takes on how the greens are 'figting the evil Targaryen oppression on the rest of Westeros, based on valyrian supremacy, racism and classism'.

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Autumn was well advanced when the Prince of Dragonstone came to Winterfell.

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As men, I hope we may yet be friends and allies.

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what I'm going to say is one of the most obvious things, but that doesn't mean it's not worth talking about.

Harry Collett is absolutely amazing. he is the best Jacaerys Targaryen-Velaryon prince we could dream of.

he not only read a book about the events of the Dance (let it seem like one of the basic things, to get acquainted with the original source of the work in which you are filming, but this does not mean that we should not give the actor credit for this) and watched the main show "Game of Thrones" (despite the fact that its final season this is an absolute disaster, after which many people refuse to even think about rewatch the show, lol) in order to better understand their character and the world in which his character lives / acts (you know, to understand the context of events taking place, given the time and realities of their world. something that many people in the fandom refuse to do). he did this so that we, as viewers, enjoyed watching the show, from his work and from his character. he even keeps Jace's personal diary (you know, after that we can build cute headcanons about how Jace keeps his diary during his journey), where he records all the events from Jacaerys' point of view! have you ever seen such a return to your work that an actor enters a personal diary of his character? this is the first time I've come across something like this, and it's absolutely stunning (in the nicest way).

it is even admirable with what responsibility, love and interest Harry approached the role of Jacaerys. he's really amazing.

and is it worth talking about how Harry communicates with the audience? that he often conducts live broadcasts where he directly interacts/communicates with fans? damn…

Harry Collett, we all absolutely love you.

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to deny that Daenerys is a clear candidate for the role of Azor Ahai/TPTWP, and to state that the only real Azor Ahai will be Jon Snow, people like to use an argument related to Rhaegar and prophecy. allegedly, Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna because of the prophecy, because he believed that their child would turn out to be the Promised Prince, that because of this, Rhaegar provoked Robert's Rebellion, that Rhaegar ordered the pregnant Lyanna to be guarded at all costs, and if after all this Azor Ahai turns out not to be Jon, then this allegedly would not make any sense.

let's miss the fact that before the book comes out, we can't be 100% sure what really happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna, what were the motives of Rhaegar, etc. the theory that this is related to prophecy makes a lot of sense, given Rhaegar's fascination with prophecy, but it's by- it's just a theory. I don't want to remember the HBO adaptation, but if believe it (we won't do that), then Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna only because of love. no other motive other than "love" was mentioned, even the theory that Rhaegar was motivated by a prophecy was not confirmed in the show.

anyway let's just take it on faith that Rhaegar did what he did because he believed that TPTWP would be born from their union with Lyanna. this does not change the fact that Dany is still the most likely Azor Ahai, who fulfilled literally every point of the prophecy. but now it looks even more interesting.

Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna and provoked Robert's rebellion, which destroyed the entire Targaryen House because he believed it would lead to the birth of TPTWP. He believed that TPTWP would turn out to be his son, but the prophecy is insidious, remember? Before that, Rhaegar thought first of himself, then of his son from Elia. The actions of Rhaegar, which he performed to fulfill the prophecy, led to the fact that pregnant Rhaella, along with eight-year-old Viserys, were forced to flee to Dragonstone, and in the greatest storm in the history of Westeros, Daenerys Stormborn was born, born among the smoke and salt.

Because of what Rhaegar did, his dynasty was destroyed. Daenerys and her abusive older brother were forced to survive on the streets until she was sold into sexual marital slavery to Khal Drogo so that Viserys could get an army and recapture the Iron Throne from the man who took it from the Targaryen dynasty because Rhaegar took Lyanna from this man. At the wedding with Khal Drogo, Daenerys was presented with three dragon eggs. she entered the funeral pyre with them, seeing the bleeding star, and woke up the dragons from the stone.

Daenerys has always been underestimated. she was never considered a worthy candidate. Viserys sold her to a Dothraki to make himself king, Illyrio has been secretly working all this time for the ascent of the Young Griff, and he certainly did not even think that even if Daenerys survives, she will become a powerful queen in her own right. would it be not surprising that Rhaegar would sweep her aside and not even take her into the equation, believed that TPTWP would be his son? because "no one thought about the girl, a prince was promised, not a princess." but again Daenerys deceived the man's expectations.

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Aemond's words about being proud of his family, but his nephews, it seems, not really, sound so ironic after the latest leaks, when Aemond participates or has no problems with desecrating the coat of arms of House Targaryen and carries the head of a slain dragon (no one will offend the symbols of House Targaryen more than the green ones) through the streets of King's Landing. while Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey are dressed in the red and black of their House, walk under the flag of a red three-headed dragon on a black background, and Jacaerys says things like "the king should honor the traditions of his ancestors" [traditions of Old Valyria], IMAO.

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Aemond: I want to raise my cup for my nephews Strong.

Jacaerys and Lucerys: Thank you, Uncle! We are proud that we are one of those Targaryens who honor the traditions and symbols of ous home, and do not desecrate the coat of arms of the Conqueror or throwing the heraldry of dragons into the trash.

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Its literally everybody's fault but aemond's that aemond killed lucerys

Aemond who led a chase to what looked like to kill lucerys, aemond who bit at lucerys and arrax two times with the intent to what looked like to arrax and lucerys to kill, and then at the end the dragon he was taunting reacted, and suddenly its arrax's fault for firing off to save himself and his rider from a psychopath who bit at them and tried to grab them. .

Aemond who laughed all the while vhagar was biting and trying to snatch them, vhagar who cannot understand he's playing a prank, he riled her up, led her to a chase and got her hurt for his childish games(gif is not mine)

Aemond is either straight up dumb and has less control of a seasoned and trained dragon than luke does with his baby drgaon who he's only started flying recently, If vermax' size was an indication in ep 6

Or aemond is dumb to not anticipate what will happen next, that his taunting will lead to grave consequences. Its not about losing control its about being dumb, both arrax and vhagar had a reason to react the way they did, aemond pushed them to that point. That is what viserys meant, end of the day they are animals who will react instinctually, aemond forced them to do so

Or its rhanyras fault for sending lucerys to storms end and some bulshit about blood which never comes into play borros throws if out because this alliance is not beneficial for him, in book rhaenys was confident they would join because of blood not rhaenyra.

Or its lucerys fault for not giving up an eye because aemond suffered after he tried to kill luke's brother, ...why would he? When aemond is injured he has a place, family and maester, here even if luke wanted to settle his idea of debt he is alone and stranded among people who have already kicked him out.

Or its borros' fault, while yes I believe to some degree as that's his good son and he was about to commit two major crimes and he should have stopped him, in show its clear literally no one encourages aemond to chase after luke, or even taunts him, its all in his volition he does those things. Atleast in book we know aemond has fragile masculinity and maris' taunting led him to kill luke, maris is not to blame

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Do you ship Jace and Cregan romantically, or you would them better remain close friends during season two?

thanks for the question!

the relationship between Cregan and Jacaerys is a very interesting aspect from story that I hope will get the proper attention in season 2 as they deserve. (I'm already looking forward to how the gif with Jacegan will use show!Dany's words from season 7 about the alliance of the Starks in the North and the Targaryens on the Iron Throne. seriously, people should do this.)

Jacegan can really be called a "union of ice and fire", as people do with Rhaegar/Lyanna, Jonerys, Daensa, Daenarya, etc. because it's not just a union of Targaryen and Stark, it's a union that they literally called "fire and ice", fixing it with blood. to the extent that Cregan beat the Greens even after the death of Jacaerys. even after the death of Rhaenyra.

this is a very strong concept, which is difficult not to be interested in. but do I expect them to be romantic in the HOTD? well, no. their relationship wasn't romantic in F&B, so it's unlikely they'll be romantic in the HBO adaptation. you can like a ship without wanting it to become a canon. after all, they weren't romantic in the books. (Jacegan shippers might rightly argue that Rhaenicent wasn't romantic in the books even more so, but the show did it anyway)

and also I recognize the possible problematic of Jacegan, given that Jacaerys was 14 (almost 15), and Cregan is 6 years (?) older than him. Cregan saw Jacaerys as his younger brother who died a few years ago. the idea that an 20+ years man is romantically interested in a teenage boy whom he sees as his "younger brother" can sounb a problematic and the reasons for this are clear. (although after Daemyra, it can't be considered a problem, lol.)

but although I think it's unlikely that Jacegan will be romantic in HOTD, I wouldn't completely deny this possibility. I mean, this is a show that made Rhaenicent (who in the books was a just stepdaughter and evil stepmother with a big age difference and without a hint of romance) the same age with unresolved romantic tension. given the information we know about Jacegan from F&B, it has a lot more prerequisites to be romantic (they are literally fire and ice).

if it does happen, I'll be happy about it and definitely be a big shipper. I like the idea of Jacegan a lot more than Sara Snow, to be honest. but, again, I doubt the show will go down that path. they're much more likely to just be close friends, and I'm fine with that.

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it really annoys me when people write things like "Jon is the true heir of House Targaryen, a dragon raised by wolves" and all these things.

It was Daenerys who was banished from Westeros because of her Targaryen ancestry. It was Daenerys who, because of her Targaryen ancestry, was forced to run from town to town from Robert's killers (it doesn't even matter if Robert really sent assassins after her and Viserys or it was Viserys' paranoia). It was Daenerys, because of her Targaryen ancestry, who survived on the streets with her older brother, who psychologically, physically and sexually abused her. It was Daenerys who, because of her Targaryen ancestry, was sold into sexual slavery. It is Daenerys, as the last Targaryen, who is forced to bear the burden of responsibility for the legacy of her dynasty, because if she leaves, her house will leave with her.

and all this in order for some people to say that Jon is the heir of House Targaryen due to the fact that his father was Rhaegar (Rhaegar, whose actions led to Daenerys and Viserys being in exile and surviving on the streets, just saying). Jon, who has only northern themes and Stark House themes in his story. Jon, who grew up not even knowing about his connection with the Targaryens, and therefore grew up in the castle as the illegitimate son of Eddard Stark along with the legitimate Stark children, receiving maesters, servants and those who taught him to fight with a sword (let's not pretend that Catelyn's rude attitude and ignoring Sansa is comparable to Dany's life on the run and with the way viserys treated her). Jon, who has no emotional connection to House Targaryen and has done nothing for House Targaryen.

Daenerys literally revived the dragons, but the "Targaryen heir" in the eyes of some readers/viewers is still Jon. even after years of my joining the ASOIAF\GOT fandom, I hate it so much.

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I think we have all faced criticism against Rhaenyra for continuing to defend Lucerys' claims to the Driftmark, when she instead allegedly had to support the idea of Rhaenys naming Baela as the new heir to the Drifmark, but since Rhaenyra did not do this, she herself harms other women and their heritage.

but in fact, the hearing about the next heir has never carried the issue of gender. Lucerys should have inherited not because he is a man, but because he is a child of Laenor. Laenor was the heir of Corlys, not Laena. And no one had any problems with the fact that the heir of Corlys is Laenor, not Laena. neither Laenor and Laena themselves, nor Corlys and Rhaenys.

so now Lucerys inherits the Driftmark, not Baela. because Lucerys is the son of Corlys' heir and the next Corlys heir, not Baela. it's never been about the Lucerys gender and the Baela gender.

the only reason these hearings happened at all was not because Rhaenys decided it was unfair that her grandson (the son of her son, her husband's heir, which she never had a problem with), and not her granddaughter (her daughter's daughter, who never inherited the Driftmark), But the fact is that Vaemond decided to challenge the legitimacy of Lucerys and call himself his brother's heir, because Lucerys is a bastard, and Baela is a woman.

see what the problem is? Rhaenyra could not support the proposal of Rhaenys and the candidacy of Baela as the next heiress of the Driftmark, because this would be an official recognition of Lucerys, Jacaerys and Joffrey as bastards who have no rights not only to the legacy of Corlys (their grandfather), but to anything at all. because if Lucerys is legitimate, then all this hearing is pointless at all, because Lucerys inherits the Driftmark without question, as the son of Laenor. the only reason why Baela or Vaemond can inherit instead of Lucerys is to recognize him as a bastard.

the question is not that Rhaenyra allegedly decides to oppress the rights of other women (this is not the reason for what happened at all), but only whether Lucerys is legitimate or not, and only if not, then the question already arises between Vaemond and Baela, not between Lucerys and Baela.

so Rhaenyra was just protecting her sons and their rights. it seemed self-evident to me, but when I read some people's comments, I'm surprised that it turns out that people don't understand it (or intentionally ignore it).

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The fate of Daenerys, if she had never arrived in Winterfell (or left the North) as the Dany Antis wanted her to, would have abandoned her claim to the Iron Throne in favor of Jon and would have returned to Meereen:

the fate of House Stark and the North, if Daenerys had abandoned her claim to the Iron Throne in favor of Jon, would not threaten Northern Independence, and would not have used the precious supplies of northern food for herself, her army and her dragons:

(and you know, looking at all this in the context of season 8... which doesn't make any sense... I can agree with Antis that Daenerys shouldn't have come to the North or stayed there, lol. but not for the far-fetched reasons that Antis put forward. if S@nsa wants independence so much and it's so hard for her to feed the queen's army, without which they will die, if all Daenerys got for saving the North - losing Jorah and many of her warriors who followed her from Essos on their own will because of love for her and faith in her - these are spitting in the face and attempts at a conspiracy, after which the only satisfactory outcome for S@nsa would be the death of Daenerys, and Jon is ready to kill Daenerys for S@nsa, despite the fact that Daenerys risked everything for him and treated him much better, than Sansa ever turned, then yes, it would be much better for Daenerys not to save the North.)

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is your book jacaerys post inspired in my aemond post? because i'm crying 😭

(completely agree that that is jace's book personality, i was lovingly making fun of show aemond <3)

hi!

yes, my post was inspired by yours. I hope this is not a problem for you. ^_^

I apologize for not specifying this in the post itself.

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"wait, but have you thought what would have happened to the Targaryens if Jace had taken the Iron Throne after Rhaenyra at the end of the Dragon Dance?!"

well...