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Guys, I may be late to the party, but I actually realized that post-ending Homestuck has the potential to go from a funny “keep homestuck alive forever” spin-off to an important, although unnecessary, part of Homestuck. As far as Im concerned we can keep treating HS as a game, even with the “escape the narrative” present. Because “escape the narrative” ending is bullshit and I’m gonna prove it right now. As one of the fans noticed (feel free to tag yourself here m8, I’m too lazy to do that now) the snapd8 carapacial plan of making the moon permanently crescent AND the arrival of The Felt quite resembles the Midnight Crew city. Let’s dwelve a bit into game mechanics, shall we? Besides the “basic final boss”, which is of course the Black King, we also have the expansion pack finall boss, which virtually always bases on meddling with game mechanics. Every iteration has one - Earth B has had Bec Noir, Beforus had the Empress etc. They resemble the “cancer” bomb that was in Earth B’s battlefield - they are a built in feature that is meant to destroy the world they were created in AND to create something new. To be precise - to serve a final-boss-purpose in ANOTHER world. Once they activate, they act like a Handmaiden - they get the world they were born in ready to be annihilated with “LE script”. Now then, we do remember that Doc Scratch has played a sort off a final-boss-new-beginning kind of a part - and his new begining was LE itself (probably the point in which Caliborn finally turns into LE). He served his part in Alternia, in Earth B, but which was the world of his origins? Caliborn just arrived to the city populated with Carapacians, carrying with himmself a Cal, still being non-LE, and he arrived with The Felt. What we COULD witness, if Hussie was kind enough, is the last missing part of the story. We’ve seen the entire story of Beta Kids, Alpha Kids, Alternia, Beforus (half-assed but been there), Da Empress, three iterations of Jacks and his crews, LE, heck, even all the Kids Guardians! What we do miss, though, is the Midnight Crew story (fifth iteration of jack and the crew [B, A : B, A, C]) besides it’s ending, Doc Scratch backstory, and what the shit actually, chronologically, happens between Caliborn and LE. And all these stories begin in a point... we’re already in. There is essentially nothing new in paradox space. WE ARE STILL IN THE NARRATIVE. Ps. sudden realization: We’ve always wonder how come something so complicated as Homestuck has had such a simple ending. Now I know. It simply wasn’t an ending.
#snapd8#upd8#andrew hussie#homestuck#escape the narrative#LE#Midnight Crew#Earth C#homestuck theory#Carapaces#when i say#the ride never ends#it means#THE#RIDE#NEVER#ENDS
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*Earth C, 100 years later, school* History teacher: And that concludes our lesson on The Beta Four of our beloved Creators. Anyone has any questions? Student: Why do we visit only three graves during 4/13? What happened to the Heir of Wind? History teacher: ... History teacher: *changes subject*
#upd8#john egbert#sadstuck#savejohnegbertsfromhimself2k16#i knew this would happen#Its not homestuck if youre not crying
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*BANGS POTS AND PANS*
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
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Are you trying to tell me LE WAS LITERALLY BORN AT THE END OF TIME?? I mean, this is a glorious symbol of what does it mean to be a Lord of Time. He was everywhere since the begining of everything, yet he was born at the end of everything. I mean, look a t this Loop 1 because LE is born, betas come to kill Cal -> because Cal can be defeated only by betas (as he thinks), he seals them into homestuck -> because Cal seals them into the homestuck, alphas kill Cal -> because Cal dies, LE is born -> because LE is born, betas come to kill Cal... Loop 2 because Cal inserts betas into the homestuck, they are able to kill him -> because they are able to kill him, he inserts them into the homestuck (loop 3 begins) Loop 3 because Cal inserts betas into the homestuck, they defeat LE -> because LE is defeated by inserting him into the homestuck, he starts existing in the first place -> because he starts existing, he has to be stopped (loop 1 begins) We’re looking at the clockwork of the Paradox Space itself. THAT’S what it means to be a Lord of Time. LE is A NARRATIVE HIMSELF, he’s the very force that spins the inevitable and neverending loops of homestuck in all their glory. He’s the beginning and the end of kids, himself and the very story. In a way, kids haven’t even defeated him - what they did is they used a narrative-changing power of juju to make LE defeat himself - cause if theres anything that can end a narrative... its the narrative itself. And while he was made to loop himself, they could make that one little step, that shouldn’t be possible - if not the existence of ANOTHER casuality, just around the corner - and went outside the loop. The idea of exiting time by doing a step OuTSiDE OF IT is something only a motherfucking Hussie could think of. And I cant help but wonder what did it actually mean to be a Muse of Space.
How Lord English’s Defeat Was Achieved
Whilst talking to a friend I was suddenly struck by a realization that I think explains the precise nature of how Lord English was defeated. I’ve already spoken a little about how the destruction of the Green Sun should not have depleted his Clockwork Majyyks, and therefore shouldn’t have made him any more invulnerable. Here is my take on what I think happened, and how it explains not only the ending, but the entire plot of Homestuck (seriously).
I’ve already spoken a fair bit in the past about Homestuck’s underlying themes in relation to the comic’s name. At first, when taken literally, “Homestuck” appears to be named for only a very small portion of Act 1, when John is literally “stuck in his home”. He is able to leave later on, so he’s no longer home-stuck, right? Now, my take has always been that this depends on your definition of “home”. Homestuck is a story about people leaving behind “homes” of various scope. John leaves his house, yes, but then he leaves his universe, his session, and ultimately his fundamental reality behind. He becomes unstuck from canon itself. From what more is there left to become “unstuck”?
Let’s remind ourselves what the “treasure” juju does. I mean, obviously we know that Caliborn initially used it to seal the souls of the beta kids, and then later Vriska deployed it against Lord English. But what else does it do? John put his hand through it and it became distributed throughout the canon of Homestuck. This is an ability with a very specific scope; he is distributed not throughout reality, but throughout Homestuck itself. There’s a reason why it is shaped like the Homestuck logo; the ultimate weapon is a gateway to Homestuck.
Lord English cannot be destroyed by conventional means, he can only be defeated by the exploitation of glitches in Paradox Space. So far, the glitches in Paradox Space we have seen have taken a very specific form also; metacanonical altering. Caliborn jams sparkle dust in the game cartridge, and .jpeg artifacts appear across the comic. John sticks his hand in the the juju, he gains the ability to use a retcon glitch. This is how one “glitches” Paradox Space, they interact with the narrative itself; with Homestuck itself. The juju allows one to do this, and this is why it’s so powerful.
Here’s my hypothesis. The weapon/treasure juju does not have three different abilities, it has one. We’ve been seeing it as 1. being able to trap four souls, 2. being able to impart retcon abilities, and 3. having an offensive ability to be used against Lord English. In reality, these are all one ability! The ability to act as a gateway to the Homestuck canon!
Caliborn did not seal the four kids within the juju! He sealed them within Homestuck. This is why the comic is called “Homestuck”! The kids are literally trapped within the narrative by the power of the juju. But, this power is also how Lord English is eventually defeated! Here is what happens in the [S] Act 7 flash.
Vriska activates the juju, it grows big and the kid’s symbols flash on its surface.
The symbol on the victory platform flips around, and turns white, the same colour and size as the juju. A door appears on its surface.
A door also appears on the side of the juju facing Lord English! This is not a coincidence. There are two doors here, one leading one way, and one leading the other way.
Homestuck is ending. By that expanding convention of the Kids, John in particular, escaping their bonds, then there is one more bond for them to break, one more door for them to pass. They need to leave the comic itself.
This is what the white juju with the door represents! The door on the Kid’s side leads out of Homestuck, whereas the door on English’s side leads in.
The kids will get to live on in a happy life beyond the narrative, possibly in the extracanon epilogue, the Paradox Space comic, not to mention fanworks. English will not. Caliborn gaining his power is shown at the moment of his defeat because his timeline is cyclical, marked by two circumstancially simultaneous events; his birth and his defeat. Similarly, the kids leaving Homestuck and Lord English “entering” it are two circumstantially simultaneous events orchestrated by the juju. Lord English has become trapped within Homestuck. While the comic may end for the kids, and they can move on, English is forever trapped within a loop of destruction, held by the bounds of canon.
The reason the juju flashes with the kids colours is because it is preparing to release them, but not to fight English, it is preparing to release them from Homestuck itself, by the comic’s ending.
This is why the comic had to end right after this moment, because otherwise the kids would not have escaped and English would have more canon scope throughout which to dominate.
This is why the juju is white, this is why the Act 7 curtains are white. White is the colour of Homestuck itself, as shown in the text for the logo displayed in the flash in act 1. The white curtains close on the comic, the white juju acts as the gateway into canon.
Perhaps the Green Sun had influence that reached beyond the canon (Paradox Space comic)? If this was the case, the English can no longer use it to access anything outside the canon, because Calliope destroyed it.
This is what Homestuck means. The clue was hidden in the name all along. This was a story about four kids who had literally been trapped inside their own story, and escaped it, trapping their unkillable villain inside it as it ended, meaning that he could spread his destruction no further. Of course Lord English can no longer cause harm within Homestuck, if Homestuck itself has ended! What an appropriate way to defeat an undefeatable villain in a comic where fourth wall breaking and metacanonical interactions with the main narrative are such an integral plot device.
Here is Hussie, deciding to kill off Lord English the only way he can; by ending his own comic. If the ending seemed abrupt to you, this is why.
That magnificent bastard.
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rebloginn cuz I cant stop thinking about a human walking with a small pack of cats, all gangsta like. Me and my cat-bros. Cat-homies. You’ in the wrong hood, dawg
That thing about how cats think humans are big kittens is a myth, y’know.
It’s basically born of false assumptions; folks were trying to explain how a naturally solitary animal could form such complex social bonds with humans, and the explanation they settled on is “it’s a displaced parent/child bond”.
The trouble is, cats aren’t naturally solitary. We just assumed they were based on observations of European wildcats - but housecats aren’t descended from European wildcats. They’re descended from African wildcats, which are known to hunt in bonded pairs and family groupings, and that social tendency is even stronger in their domesticated relatives. The natural social unit of the housecat is a colony: a loose affiliation of cats centred around a shared territory held by alliance of dominant females, who raise all of the colony’s kittens communally.
It’s often remarked that dogs understand that humans are different, while cats just think humans are big, clumsy cats, and that’s totally true - but they regard us as adult colonymates, not as kittens, and all of their social behaviour toward us makes a lot more sense through that lens.
The like to cuddle because communal grooming is how cats bond with colonymates - it establishes a shared scent-identity for the colony and helps clean spots that they can’t easily reach on their own.
They bring us dead animals because cats transport surplus kills back to the colony’s shared territory for consumption by pregnant, nursing, or sick colonymates who can’t easily hunt on their own. Indeed, that’s why they kill so much more than they individually need - it’s not for fun, but to generate enough surplus kills to sustain the colony’s non-hunting members.
They’re okay with us messing with their kittens because communal parenting is the norm in a colony setting, and us being colonymates in their minds automatically makes us co-parents.
It’s even why many cats are so much more tolerant toward very small children, as long as those children are related to one of their regular humans: they can tell the difference between human adults and human “kittens”, and your kittens are their kittens.
Basically, you’re going to have a much easier time getting a handle on why your cat does why your cat does if you remember that the natural mode of social organisation for cats is not as isolated solitary hunters, but as a big communal catpile - and for that purpose, you count as a cat.
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That thing about how cats think humans are big kittens is a myth, y’know.
It’s basically born of false assumptions; folks were trying to explain how a naturally solitary animal could form such complex social bonds with humans, and the explanation they settled on is “it’s a displaced parent/child bond”.
The trouble is, cats aren’t naturally solitary. We just assumed they were based on observations of European wildcats - but housecats aren’t descended from European wildcats. They’re descended from African wildcats, which are known to hunt in bonded pairs and family groupings, and that social tendency is even stronger in their domesticated relatives. The natural social unit of the housecat is a colony: a loose affiliation of cats centred around a shared territory held by alliance of dominant females, who raise all of the colony’s kittens communally.
It’s often remarked that dogs understand that humans are different, while cats just think humans are big, clumsy cats, and that’s totally true - but they regard us as adult colonymates, not as kittens, and all of their social behaviour toward us makes a lot more sense through that lens.
The like to cuddle because communal grooming is how cats bond with colonymates - it establishes a shared scent-identity for the colony and helps clean spots that they can’t easily reach on their own.
They bring us dead animals because cats transport surplus kills back to the colony’s shared territory for consumption by pregnant, nursing, or sick colonymates who can’t easily hunt on their own. Indeed, that’s why they kill so much more than they individually need - it’s not for fun, but to generate enough surplus kills to sustain the colony’s non-hunting members.
They’re okay with us messing with their kittens because communal parenting is the norm in a colony setting, and us being colonymates in their minds automatically makes us co-parents.
It’s even why many cats are so much more tolerant toward very small children, as long as those children are related to one of their regular humans: they can tell the difference between human adults and human “kittens”, and your kittens are their kittens.
Basically, you’re going to have a much easier time getting a handle on why your cat does why your cat does if you remember that the natural mode of social organisation for cats is not as isolated solitary hunters, but as a big communal catpile - and for that purpose, you count as a cat.
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Soo, I’m listening to Solar Voyage, thinking about as in the end it was Callie who made the Grand Sacrifice that we all thought Jade was meant to make. And as I thought about all these version of players that died, a random thought crossed my mind. To bear a new universe, Skaia required a shitton of grist... but we learned that all that happens in Paradox Space is not exactly only of game logic, all events have deep, existential meaning. And I though, maybe grist was just a symbol, maybe what Skaia really needed to create a universe were... lifes. Maybe all these sacrifices, all the doomed timelines weren’t ever a fuckup. Maybe that was a part of the game all along.
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I’ve never though I’d get that emotional about four goofy pieces of chess.
I just had to get it out of my system.
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MJ plays in the distance And the whole world has to Answer right now Just to tell you once again, Who's dad
Everybody seems to ignore the most important part about the upd8
FUCKN DAD IS BACK
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THIS IS WAT THE REFRANCE
Hey I just realised..
Remember how Vriska announcing her plan to fight Lord English was during the anniversary of Leeroy Jenkins?…
And how we theorised that someone would just ignore orders and run into the battle?..
DID KARKAT JUST DO A LEROY JENKINS?!!!!
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THE SHITCLOWN WILL REMAIN PUT
everyone’s like “gamzee’s gonna do something!!!” meanwhile he is literally being fridged & i’m laughing
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FELT IS JUST A BUNCH OF AWKWARD UNCLES HEADCANNON CONFIRMED LONG LIVE FELT FAMILY
and their adopted pajama boy, of course
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Love it so much :3
i think i got this!
Timelines of all the agents. (click for better view i guess)
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yknow what
i feel like for super weenie pause jr. everyone should just like, make all the theoryposts, all of them
get it all out of your head, get it in writing before the end, have it like out there before the flash comes, even if you think its weird or dumb or never gonna happen in a million years
that way everyone can see all the cool awesome crazy ideas everyone totally has but is just to scared to let out in the open
cuz yknow what being wrong isnt something to be afraid of, everyones wrong, im wrong, youre wrong, were all wrong constantly all the time its nothing special and nothing to be ashamed of
but yknow what is super special? being muther fucking right about something and getting to be all OOOOOH I CALLED IT I CALLED IT YEAH :D when the flash drops
im serious, on wednesday i want my dash, the homestuck tag and the upd8 tag to be 100% full of I FUCKING CALLED IT YES IM RIGHT WOOHOO posts
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