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sorry i said gay when you and your buddy had a massive falling out and tried to kill each other. it just kinda looked like that.
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happy villains series publication day to those who celebrate! ๐
#vicious ve schwab#eli ever#villains series#eli cardale#victor vale#vengeful ve schwab#evervale#๐๐ค#๐ฅณ๐ฅณ๐ฅณ#11 fuckings years and no one is doing anything to stop the maddness
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you would expect a guy who was sent to hell to get better and learn his lesson, unfortunately it won't work with Eli Ever, he's probably in some void and will wake up and be even worse
#vicious ve schwab#eli ever#villains series#eli cardale#type of guy to never learn his lesson btw#i just want to read victorious please#can't wait anymore#not a day in his life he accept the consequences#in fact he finds excuses for the consequences of his actions and creates more consequences
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have you read Babel by RF Kuang?
No, but I really want to read it! it's been on my list for a while ๐ญ
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Eli Ever. They could never make me hate you.
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Was Eli in love with Serena, or was it indeed her ability that made it so?
He acknowledges several times that Serena is appealing and, at one point, even compares his feelings for her to those he felt for Angie while he was dating her, but he keeps backtracking as well. He does conclude he should be trying to and wanting to kill her, but also finds her ability useful in his endeavours.
Is he trying to convince himself he doesn't like her because of his beliefs regarding EOs, although he truly does somewhat?
Otherwise, I'm not sure what to believe regarding the implications of their very first encounter. He never mentions it after the fact, either, and he does do things willingly for her before and after.
If she does elicit sentiments from people after all, wouldn't that mean she never interacted with anybody after her near death? Every single interaction she had after the experience was certainly not real, and everything people did concerning her was against their will?
Frankly, I'm not sure what anybody would've or should've done in her situation.
I would really appreciate hearing some viewpoints on this particular topic.
#your points and posts are interesting and I enjoy discussing them so it's not a problem!#Eli Ever and the ordeal of having two situationships in the spam of ten-years with two people who are similar to each other#I also always thought that Eli/Serena parallels Eli/Victor!#eli is just out there collecting toxic relationships with blondes#Resentment in relationships is also something that can form very strong bonds#at least it's something <3#for me part of the mutual manipulation came from the fact that Eli couldn't get out of the relationship#because we know that he is capable of killing whoever he thinks he should (Victor).#that or just a dark part of him wanted a connection like Serena even if one that would probably ruin everything#they are all terrible I want to put them in a lab#Connection and being unable to form it#wanting it#but is never gonna be the same because your humanity is no longer yours
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Angie deserved better than both of them
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Was Eli in love with Serena, or was it indeed her ability that made it so?
He acknowledges several times that Serena is appealing and, at one point, even compares his feelings for her to those he felt for Angie while he was dating her, but he keeps backtracking as well. He does conclude he should be trying to and wanting to kill her, but also finds her ability useful in his endeavours.
Is he trying to convince himself he doesn't like her because of his beliefs regarding EOs, although he truly does somewhat?
Otherwise, I'm not sure what to believe regarding the implications of their very first encounter. He never mentions it after the fact, either, and he does do things willingly for her before and after.
If she does elicit sentiments from people after all, wouldn't that mean she never interacted with anybody after her near death? Every single interaction she had after the experience was certainly not real, and everything people did concerning her was against their will?
Frankly, I'm not sure what anybody would've or should've done in her situation.
I would really appreciate hearing some viewpoints on this particular topic.
#[tw:sa] Anyway I think just because you hear consent twice (the second time still being dubious)#doesn't mean it doesn't qualify as possible abuse.#since we don't know for sure whether the will of the other party in Eli's case was flawed or not#I also never interpreted them as โdatingโ#but rather that it was how the people around them ended up coming to that conclusion#because I don't think that between them the two of them would consider themselves that way.#Apart from that going back to Serena one of the biggest themes in Villains is the loss of humanity that comes with the EO status#characters that we see clearly loat their powers are Eli & Serena as both of their powers affect their worldview relationship and moral#her disassociating most of the book is a valid idea#and trying to use the relationship with Eli as a way to gain some control also makes sense to me.#since he is the only one who appears to be able to resist her power but she still thinks she can extend control over him#as a way of living between life and death from the danger of Eli really being able to break one day#In the end yes being an EO takes something away from you for Serena it was her ability to form true and meaningful relationships#since her power would be a barrier to that always.#making her feel isolated and alone with the possibility of never being able to create anything โrealโ#thus clinging to the only possibility of some feeling that could be real even if resentment in the relationship with Eli.
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Was Eli in love with Serena, or was it indeed her ability that made it so?
He acknowledges several times that Serena is appealing and, at one point, even compares his feelings for her to those he felt for Angie while he was dating her, but he keeps backtracking as well. He does conclude he should be trying to and wanting to kill her, but also finds her ability useful in his endeavours.
Is he trying to convince himself he doesn't like her because of his beliefs regarding EOs, although he truly does somewhat?
Otherwise, I'm not sure what to believe regarding the implications of their very first encounter. He never mentions it after the fact, either, and he does do things willingly for her before and after.
If she does elicit sentiments from people after all, wouldn't that mean she never interacted with anybody after her near death? Every single interaction she had after the experience was certainly not real, and everything people did concerning her was against their will?
Frankly, I'm not sure what anybody would've or should've done in her situation.
I would really appreciate hearing some viewpoints on this particular topic.
#I think he felt attracted to her#but at the same time he hates the lack of control that it brought and how it interferes with his actions#throughout the narrative#because if I remember correctly he hated the fact that she tried to get involved. fit when he murdered#as he considers it a sacred act between him and god#also a small mention of [tw: sa]#I've never seen it discussed much#Since the most intimate interactions between them do not have Eli's consent...the descriptions have always made me unconfortable#most of the time they got overlooked by the fandom#So#if we consider this factor it is not a surprise that he hates Serena#kinda small because I would have to make a big post to explain everything I think about this relationship
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Oh yes! my HC or interpretation of Eli, includes him being in some way neurodivergent, I think it's an interesting way to analyze his behavior especially in how he seems to describe a lack of emotional connection in most of his life which could be aggravated by the abuse he suffered in childhood, and how the religious aspect of his life, also affects his worldview and behavior, as well as morals, etc.
and also not saying that the fact that he is neurodivergent is what made him a serial killer, but I would say that it could be counted as one of the factors that led to what he became.
Yall might have to bare with me on this one I'm not great at articulating my thoughts and although I'm neurodivergent I really don't have the proper terms to explain myself here
But like
Okay so it's very obvious that Eli is not neurotypical. I don't want to really get into specific diagnoses because I very much do not want to fall into the serial killer = mental disorder trope. It's a shitty trope and very harmful when handled poorly, especially with Cluster B personalities. Under no circumstances am I saying that Eli's mental condition is the cause of him being a serial killer. I am in fact trying to say the opposite.
TW for discussion of abuse and ableism
Basically, the crux of my argument lies with Eli's flashbacks in Vengeful, specifically when it comes to his father.
Eli mentions that the abuse started when he was around 9 years old because his father saw "the devil" in his eyes.
Eli's age at the time is very important. 9 years old. A literal child. Eli has done nothing wrong at this point aside from exist, and yet his father sees something wrong with him. It's possible that it was intended for Eli to have truly had some "evil" inside of him from the beginning, but it is far far more likely that Eli's father saw some kind of behavior out of the norm (we see that Eli was not a very expressive child. He had to learn all of those behaviors later on) and concluded that it hinted at some "hidden evil". We see those ideas reflected in our own society all the time, with apathy or lack of expression in face or vocal tone can be misconstrued or depicted as evil or heartless.
Eli was never evil or a bad kid. He was 9 years old. There was no devil in his eyes, he simply expressed himself in a way that was considered abnormal.
There's more I could say on this but I've run out of brain power. If anyone has any insight or ways they relate to Eli that they're comfortable talking about or even criticisms, I'm very open to discussion.
#As a person who is neurodivergent#I don't think it's a bad stereotype#it just needs to be treated with the necessary nuances.#I see him as having ASPD (Antisocial Personality Disorder).#because it's something that can happen#just knowing that not everyone will be violent#just because they have a specific condition#so in the end for me it's a matter of knowing how to separate and analyze#His masking is also one of the reasons why I see the interpretation as being very valid or plausible
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"you can't ship those characters they tried to kill each other!" sounds like someone can't appreciate the inherent eroticism of violence ๐
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I find it so funny how they keep trying to fight each other but like Victor is genuinely no match for Eli. He keeps throwing himself into these fights and it's literally 0-3. He went to get revenge on Eli and ended up shot 3 times and stuck in jail for 10 years. He goes to get his revenge Again and Eli kills him. He's 100% about lose the third fight before Sydney got there. Man refuses to admit he's outmatched. He'll probably try to go for a round 4 if Eli comes back to life. He'll probably either lose again or tie. He's such a loser. I love him
#Eli is taller and stronger than him and he was only with the power of his mind#pens and revenge (he lost)#man goes to jail for ten years#doesn't train and loses to someone physically younger who was always stronger than him#he spent all those years just mentally exercising his deep hatred when he should have been at the gym#vicious ve schwab#vengeful ve schwab#victor vale#eli ever#villains series#vicious
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In fact, to break all expectations, evervale's interactions in Victorious should be stupid, like Eli saying that at least he managed to escape from jail before ten years and Victor remembering why he wanted to shoot him three times.
#vicious ve schwab#villains series#eli ever#victor vale#eli cardale#vengeful ve schwab#evervale#this is what i want#and that's why they both went to jail#this is my truth#They should be crazier and they should be funny and sad and terrible
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I'm curious what people think about Victor and Eli's relationship during the Lockland Era. I'm of the opinion that Eli cared about Victor as a person more than Victor cared about him, which isn't to say I don't think Victor cared, but I think his care was a lot more focused on himself and how Eli made *him* feel. This isn't an analysis or anything, really. I don't have evidence from the books to back me. I'm just more sharing a headcannon than anything. If anyone has any thoughts on this please share them I'm curious
#I actually like this take#but I go deeper and say that#Victor liked Eli to the same extent#but his POV is affected by the present of what happened in the past#so the hatred and disdain prevent us from seeing his narration being more emotional.#or nostalgic like Eli's#but sometimes we can see the beams of light of affection shining through the way he describes Eli#-> being delusional#maybe both#I think their relationship is very complicated and can be analyzed in many ways#which is what makes it so interesting to see other people interpret it too
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this show rules sorry
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Eli was working day and nigth to be rich, if it weren't for college it would be for marriage (he only dated" or had romantic interest with rich people) guy wanted to be someone trophy husband fr
#staying in the game but not winning it :'(#born to be a rich widowed husband forced to be a traumatized serial killer#vicious ve schwab#villains series#eli ever#eli cardale#vengeful ve schwab
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villains series AU but it's just House M.D and they commit medical malpractice and crimes together <3
#vicious ve schwab#villains series#eli ever#victor vale#eli cardale#evervale#vengeful ve schwab#I swear evervale could reach the level of homoerotic friendship that hilson has I swear#hear me out#they could have had a shady relationship in a hospital#Yes I'm watching House M.D#my nightmare blunt rotation#> all the characters commit crimes in this AU btw just let me have them being terrible doctors#vicious posting i am back
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