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gunsandspaceships · 16 hours ago
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Mistreatment. MCU Tony Stark's reaction. Part 1 (Iron Man)
Note: Before reacting negatively or writing a comment, please read the Intro.
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0:07:17 In public, Rhodes aggressively pushes Tony's hand away with enough force to throw dice out of his hand.
Mistreatment: disrespectful offensive behavior - public humiliation with physical attack.
Tony's reaction: plays along and pretends that this is how it should be (to avoid engaging into the conflict); remains silent about the fact of mistreatment and never goes back to it.
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0:13:27 Rhodes' derogatory public comment about diapers and babysitting.
Mistreatment: disrespectful offensive behavior - public belittling (verbal humiliation).
Tony's reaction: again, pretends it's normal. Ignores the mistreatment to extinguish the conflict. Remains silent about it and never brings it up.
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0:16:09 Stane's clearly dismissive behavior when Tony asked him a question about his gift.
Mistreatment: emotional disregard and intentional communication neglect (which in normal circumstances results in a breach of trust).
Tony's reaction: completely ignores the fact of mistreatment as something he is used to.
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Kidnapping, wounding and torture.
Mistreatment: the whole situation is one big mistreatment stretched out over three months. What's inside: physical and emotional harm, neglect and disrespect of all kinds, cruelty, humiliation, placement in a hostile environment, threats, intimidation, verbal attacks, punishment for refusing to cooperate which would in itself be mistreatment (exploitation to harm someone else), deprivation of freedom, disregard for choice, etc.
Tony's reaction: remains mostly silent and does not attempt to defend himself or attack back (even after returning home), with the exception of the torture scene, where he tries to stop the torture by resisting. All other types of reactions (actions against the Ten Rings) occurred because someone else was mistreated, so they will not be counted here.
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0:18:45 Experimental surgery (plus, partially without anesthesia), with implantation of a crude foreign object in the chest.
Mistreatment: although Yinsen saved Tony's life, what he (and The Ten Rings) did was essentially a traumatic experiment with body modification on a living person without his consent. What's there: emotional and physical offense and harm, disregard, cruelty, intentional exclusion from an opportunity to refuse experimental "treatment", forcing a patient to undergo a procedure for which he (and the "medical personnel") was not adequately prepared.
Tony's reaction: at first, freaks out (briefly and quietly) about the fact of body alteration. Then draws the attention of the "perpetrator" to the fact by asking a reasonable question. Having received an answer, remains silent (does not question the methods, accepting them as "life-saving" and actually feels gratitude). Says nothing about the surgery without anesthesia.
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0:20:51 Terrorist pushes Tony hard to get him to move.
Mistreatment: unreasonable, intentionally derogatory and offensive behavior with disregard for safety through physical assault.
Tony's reaction: unlike Yinsen - zero reaction. Apparently expecting nothing else, Tony accepts the mistreatment as a given and ignores it.
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0:45:57 Stane interrupts Tony's speech and pushes him away from the microphone.
Mistreatment: disrespectful interruption with disregard for choice, violation of personal space and public belittling with the purpose of eliminating the opportunity (to speak for oneself).
Tony's reaction: does not recognize the act as mistreatment (and most likely expects such behavior). Withdraws to avoid creating conflict. Soon after, even apologizes himself.
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0:47:49 Stane's disregard for Tony's health and his only interest in the reactor in his chest.
Mistreatment: Obadiah never bothered to ask Tony how he was. But he was very interested in the reactor sticking out of Tony's chest. What it is: thoughtlessness, neglect, invasion of personal space and exploitation.
Tony's reaction: again, does not recognize the act as mistreatment, despite the attitude of Obadiah being clear. By this point, we can already recognize a pattern that tells us that this behavior was normal in Tony's life.
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0:48:47 Hostile reaction from media.
Mistreatment: harmful (emotionally, reputationally, and financially), disrespectful, abusive behavior in the form of verbal attacks with public humiliation and simulated physical assault. Disregard for choice in order to continue exploitation and return to a position that may cause harm to others.
Tony's reaction: none. He is silent, although he knows what is happening.
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Pepper, Rhodey, Stane, and the media treat him like he's insane.
Mistreatment: disrespectful and offensive behavior, including harsh language and derogatory comments, emotional neglect, disregard for choice, and exclusion.
Tony's reaction: acknowledges mistreatment but remains silent in most cases, except for 1) the scene with quitting Pepper (because others' lives were at stake). In that case, he defends himself by explaining his motivation; 2) the charity event he attended in response to TV comments (non-hostile defense).
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0:53:46 - 0:53:58 Rhodes' attitude at the Air Force Base.
Mistreatment: refusal to help with offensive, derogatory comments that show disdain, with the intent of returning the opportunity for exploitation. The scene ends with an exclusion (apparently, until the recipient changes his decision).
Tony's reaction: after the first comment, he remains silent (acknowledging but ignoring), then attempts to explain himself. Faced with resistance in the form of verbal attack, he chooses to disengage and remain silent until Rhodes calls him later (where Tony briefly calls his attention to the behavior). In any case, the mistreatment is quickly forgotten.
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0:58:28 The board of directors wants to lock Tony out.
Mistreatment: disregard of choice with deliberate lack of communication, intervention through exclusion due to the loss of ability to exploit.
Tony's reaction: briefly brings attention to the fact of mistreatment and attempts to defend himself by explaining his actions. Seeing no understanding, withdraws, returning to work in his lab. Remains silent, but later uses another opportunity to defend himself by showing that he is okay and there is no basis for an injunction (the Gala).
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1:06:50 Not invited to his own gala.
Mistreatment: unreasonable disrespectful exclusion with lack of communication and disregard for choice (no one even asked).
Tony's reaction: briefly draws attention to this fact by making a remark to Stane, but otherwise remains silent.
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1:12:05 Christine's comments and attitude at the Gala.
Mistreatment: verbal attack with denigrating comments. Holding responsible for wrongdoings he never committed due to bias and lack of communication.
Tony's reaction: 1) says nothing; 2) tries to turn it into a joke and get out of the conflict situation; 3) responds by drawing attention to the unfairness of the treatment.
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1:13:14 Stane's revelation at the Gala.
Mistreatment: intervention through intentional exclusion. Disregard for choice, lack of communication and misinformation. Belittling with insincere concern. By this point, Obadiah is so relaxed because of the fact that his mistreatment of Tony does not result in any negative consequences for himself (and is either not noticed or easily forgiven) that he simply blurts it out.
Tony's reaction: and guess what? Exactly. Tony doesn't do anything to him. But at least the fact of mistreatment becomes obvious.
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1:23:06 Jets attacking Tony, who is not attacking or showing hostility.
Mistreatment: harmful behavior in the form of physical attack with disregard for safety (putting him in a situation where he was in danger and endangering others). Even if they had the legal right to do so, it was still mistreatment. Especially after they realized it was a person and not a drone.
Tony's reaction: tries to disengage, saves the pilot who attacked him, then remains silent (partially acknowledges the fact of them being at fault for the plane crash, but doesn't proceed and ignores everything else).
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Stane's assassination attempts, physical attacks, threats and insults.
Mistreatment: well, they speak for themselves. Harmful and cruel physical and verbal attacks, endangerment, belittling, exploitation, violation of personal space, disregard for choice, theft, holding responsible for expectations without providing them through intentional lack of communication, unwarranted interference with attempts to intentionally exclude from any opportunities (through death), etc etc.
Tony's reaction: remains silent (and I'm not talking about the scene in the screenshot where he couldn't speak at all). Reacts with defensive measures only to protect other people under threat. In the deleted extended scene on the roof, even tries to save the bastard's life.
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1:54:03 S.H.I.E.L.D.'s attempt to hush the situation up.
Mistreatment: intervention with disregard for choice. Attempt to deliberately exclude from activity and take away the credit. Request (order) to lie or withhold the truth.
Tony's reaction: remains silent about the fact of mistreatment but does not follow instructions in order to break the cycle of misinformation.
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2:05:32 Fury broke into the house and hacked J.A.R.V.I.S.
Mistreatment: disrespectful and unreasonable violation of personal space (property), unauthorized access to the computer that in this case can be considered assault, lack of proper communication and disregard for choice (no one asked him for proper communication, but instead his home was invaded and he was not given a choice whether he wanted to have a conversation or not). This stupid behavior led to a breach of trust that could have been easily avoided.
Tony's reaction: first draws attention to the fact by asking, "Who the hell are you?" Having received a response, he takes the mistreatment for granted. Never complains about it or future similar property-based violations of personal space by Fury or his agents.
Conclusion:
Here we will compare actual behavior with expected (taken from the poll).
Reactions to 19 cases of mistreatment in total:
Insults - 0 (0%) Fights - 1 (~5%) Tantrums - 0 (0%) Withdrawals - 4 (~21%) Revenge - 0 (0%) Making it public - 0 (0%) Ignoring the fact - 6 (~32%) Making fun/jokes - 1 (~5%) Drinking binges - 0 (0%) Seeking help - 0 (0%) Taking on someone else - 0 (0%) Remaining silent - 16 (~84%) Non-violent defense - 8 (~42%)
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gunsandspaceships · 2 days ago
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Please don't let your kids watch I Am Groot (animated series) unless you want them to grow up to be little pieces of shit (or large chunks of psychopath).
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gunsandspaceships · 2 days ago
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Mistreatment. MCU Tony Stark's reaction. Intro and Navigation
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Purpose of the analysis: determine in character and out of character behavior.
Disclaimer: the instances of mistreatment are included without regard to legality (since many forms of mistreatment are legal, but they are still mistreatment) or "fairness" (due to its subjectivity). Also not included are cases where it was impossible to respond (for Tony) and/or act (for a "perpetrator") differently (there are not many of these anyway) because they are of no use to the analysis.
P.S. There is no hate towards any of the characters in these posts. If you feel like your favorite character was unfairly added to the "perpetrators" list, don't be upset. The same thing will be done to everyone. Yes, even Tony (when we get to the reactions of other characters).
P.S.2: When I was determining what constituted mistreatment and what did not, I asked myself: did the "perpetrator" have the opportunity to act differently (better)? For example, to show his point of view through constructive criticism, without resorting to derogatory comments.
P.S.3: This analysis is built not around internal experiences (such as "did he take it personally?"), but on external manifestations (since character's internal experience is a subject to interpretation).
Part 1: Iron Man
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gunsandspaceships · 3 days ago
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So, I'm back from vacation…
Which unexpectedly (but pleasantly) turned out to be filled with Iron Man.
My route took me through New York and Vienna to Montenegro. And here's what I saw there (with a few exceptions that I forgot to photograph):
Manhattan
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Times Square. This guy was the only superhero there. You can also see King Kong, and there were some Disney princesses too, who pestered me to take pictures with them. Not your target audience, ladies. Sorry.
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Hi, Prometheus!
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And "Avengers Tower"!
Vienna
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Tourist shop. Austria, Vienna, Austria... and the Avengers.
Montenegro
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A toy store in Kotor. This is the only place where I saw Cap there. There was also a Lego with an Iron Man bust, but I didn't take a photo, and on my next visit it was already bought. Although I must say that the designer did a terrible job.
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Tourist shops. Spider-Man, Iron Man, the once encountered Black Panther, and Thanos.
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And the cocktail "I love you 3000", to which I dedicated a separate post. Cheers to the God of Fire!
And yes, I didn't meet Wanda Maximoff or Bucky Barnes, which goes to show how skewed the preferences of the internet audience we see on platforms like Tumblr are, and which, as practice shows, do not correspond to the interests of the general audience.
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gunsandspaceships · 4 days ago
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It says I did better than 100% of quiz takers, which sucks. Let's make the percentage lower?
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gunsandspaceships · 4 days ago
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Update: added Cosmo (Hufflepuff) and Alexander Pierce (Slytherin).
Sorting Hat "scientifically" sorts the MCU
This sorting is based on the Sorting Hat Quiz. (P) - Primaries (morals, motivations, beliefs), (S) - Secondaries (methods, means, behaviors). See the sorting rules below the lists.
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Peggy Carter: Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor (S) Tony Stark: Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Drax The Dad: Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Steve Rogers: Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor/Slytherin (S) Okoye: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Gryffindor (S) Helen Cho: Gryffindor (P), Slytherin/Gryffindor (S) T'Challa: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Jane Foster: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (S) Sam Wilson: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (S) Thor Odinson: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Gryffindor/Slytherin (S) James "Logan" Howlett: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor (S) Peter Parker: Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff (S) Abraham Erskine: Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff (S) Loki Odinson: Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw (S) Mantis: Gryffindor (P), Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S) Happy Hogan: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Hufflepuff/Gryffindor (S) Heimdall: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Hufflepuff/Gryffindor (S) Pietro Maximoff: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Wong: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Phil Coulson: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Ravenclaw/Slytherin (S) Odin Borson: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S) Ho Yinsen: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Ancient One: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Thanos: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S)
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Wanda Maximoff: Hufflepuff (P), Hufflepuff/Gryffindor (S) Cosmo: Hufflepuff/Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff (S) Pepper Potts: Hufflepuff/Slytherin (P), Hufflepuff (S) Korg: Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (P), Hufflepuff/Gryffindor (S) James "Bucky" Barnes: Hufflepuff (P), Ravenclaw (S) Bruce Banner: Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) James Rhodes: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Erik Selvig: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Peter Quill: Slytherin/Ravenclaw (P), Hufflepuff (S)
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Arnim Zola: Ravenclaw (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Howard Stark: Ravenclaw/Slytherin (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) Chester Phillips: Ravenclaw/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) Harley Keener: Ravenclaw/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Slytherin (S) Thaddeus Ross: Ravenclaw (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Carol Danvers: Ravenclaw (P), Gryffindor/Slytherin (S) Stephen Strange: Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (P), Ravenclaw/Slytherin (S) Frigga: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Ravenclaw (S) Obadiah Stane: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Ravenclaw (S)
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Groot Sr: Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Ivan Vanko: Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Ultron: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Slytherin (S) Alexander Pierce: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Groot Jr: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Slytherin/Gryffindor (S) Wade Wilson: Slytherin (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Rocket: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (P), Ravenclaw/Slytherin (S) Natasha Romanoff: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Slytherin (S) Scott Lang: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (P), Gryffindor/Slytherin (S) Johann Schmidt: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S) Valkyrie: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S) Erik Stevens: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Gamora: Gryffindor/Slytherin (P), Slytherin/Ravenclaw (S) Clint Barton: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) Nebula: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Edwin Jarvis: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S), Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (S) Yelena Belova: Slytherin/Hufflepuff (S), Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (S) Ego: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Vision: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) T'Chaka: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw (S) Nick Fury: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) Yondu Udonta: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S)
Rules:
I used the characters' behavior in the movies to take the quiz for them. The Quiz is accurate, which was determined by sorting some of HP characters: Harry: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Slytherin/Gryffindor (S) Hermione: Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (P), Gryffindor/Ravenclaw (S) Neville: Gryffindor (P), Gryffindor/Hufflepuff (S)
Since most of the results don't give us only one house, I used this scheme: 2 points for first results in P and S, 1 point for second (additional) results in P and S. If P or S gave us only 1 house, we give it all 3 points. Example: Yondu Udonta: Slytherin/Gryffindor (P), Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff (S) means Yondu got 2 points for Slytherin, 2 points for Ravenclaw, 1 point for each Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. Since he got 2 points for different P and S, we sort him into his Primary house - Slytherin (why primary - sorting my friends showed that in such cases they prefer the primary house).
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gunsandspaceships · 5 days ago
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gunsandspaceships · 5 days ago
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Your Tony Stark stuff NEVER disappoint. It really gives the full picture about what he's doing, why he's doing it, what it seems he's doing to other people. They're my #1 source for writing fics and REALLY entertaining to read. It also makes rewatching the movies mucj more interesting and exciting. Thanks!
Thanks for reading it :)
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gunsandspaceships · 6 days ago
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People: "Tony Stark is self-confident".
Tony Stark: *gets surprised every time something works out*
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gunsandspaceships · 7 days ago
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Tony Stark built this in a junkyard, with a box of scraps
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What If? S2E4
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gunsandspaceships · 7 days ago
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Tony Stark built this in a cave. And in a Sakaarian junkyard
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Watch What If? S2E4.
P.S. And yes, a crippled Tony Stark built this in a cave out of resources that were not of use to him as is (which is called "scrap" FYI).
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gunsandspaceships · 9 days ago
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June update
Navigation v7
I will update this thing every month and highlight new stuff with blue color, but for the newest posts - please just scroll down. Subcategories are highlighted in bold.
Some rules, Fandom dictionary
So far we found out:
Tony - Prometheus
What he accomplished: Achievements, Saved the whole universe, Marksman, PhDs, Magician, Medals
His health condition
That he doesn't have a drinking problem in the MCU
But a cocktail was named after him
He never used drugs (+addon about stereotyping)
Behavioral Analysis
Relationships
Tony's Ancestry
MCU Viewing Order
MCU Timeline: The Infinity Saga
Update, How not to Timeline, Spider-Man: Homecoming issue
Classification of Timeline consistency, Updated, Tier list
MCU Dates of Birth, Age
Review of Official MCU Timelines: Phase One, The Wakanda Files
Fury's Big Week: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Conclusion, The Timeline
MCU Fandom Wiki timeline, There's more
MCU is not 616 and how Multiverse works: MCU is not 616, FAQ, Multiverse, For Kevin Feige, MCU is not one universe?, MCM
Canon?: Agent Carter, Team Thor, IM3 "Tony, Harley and E.J." deleted scene, IM3 "Maya's Sacrifice" deleted scene, Iron Man (novelization)
Celebrities
Summary of the MCU, Tony's life motto, Dead fandom, Hyperfixation
Speed
Who is the nicest guy of the OG6
War, military and weapon manufacturing
AI: Don't trust bots, Seriously
Civil War
Other MCU characters
OG6: Who can draw
MCU Gif Collections
Tony's appearance (for artists and ficwriters): Skin tone
Biker Tony
Tony's handwriting
Chinese Zodiac
Games: Marvel Rivals, Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Elon Musk
Experiment with communism
Marvel Studios: To Marvel Studios, Final destination. What If
"Hydra Tony"
Tony's missed superpower
Lego
Doomsday & Secret Wars
About this blog, RDJ and Genre discrimination in movies
Polls
MCU Fandom Study
The Daily Bugle
Fanfic recommendations:
Acute Stress Response series (Belis): Over the Wall Camp, Fine or Faint, Ghosts of Christmas Past
Revision (Kadigan)
Readers waiting for a new chapter
Mass Effect + MCU:
Tony - Garrus Vakarian, Plot similarities, Clint about Natasha
Harry Potter + MCU:
Sorting MCU characters, Half-Blood Tony, Gryffindor
Other:
Psychology, Truth, Scam
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gunsandspaceships · 9 days ago
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MCU Gif collections
Info
Science Bros
Tony Stark
Kisses: Part 1, Part 2
Tears
Touch
Laughter: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4
Sleep: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4
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gunsandspaceships · 9 days ago
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THANOS VS. TONY STARK: the titan who claimed he was the saviour of the universe vs. the man who actually saved the universe
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gunsandspaceships · 12 days ago
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I Love You 3000
An unexpected find in the Atrium restaurant (Kotor, Montenegro).
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gunsandspaceships · 12 days ago
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gunsandspaceships · 13 days ago
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What's your favorite MCU moment?
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