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Procreate Drawing Practice #1:Mickey Mouse

I am currently learning how to use procreate.For my first project, I chose drawing Mickey Mouse from a reference. I also provided a time-lapse video showing my work.

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Potential Adventure Bad Endings

Pacifist/Combative Routes

The third episode of the Digital Circus introduced the concept of different routes on adventures.Those routes being Pacifist and Combative routes. To achieve the Pacifist route one must demonstrate that they are a good person.Gangle and Ragatha got the Pacifist end by befriending the Baron's wife. However, demonstrating that you are a bad person would lead to someone achieving the Combative route. Pomni and Kinger achieved this route due to not paying attention to adventure's lore. By ignoring the lore, they were in more danger of receiveing a bad ending that could've impacted them outside of the adventure itself.

Let's go over the lore of the adventure and see what Pomni and Kinger missed.

According to the second monster lore recording, the monster can survive having its head seperated from its body and mutiple gunshot wounds in its vitals. Therefore, we know that a gun is an ineffective weapon to deal with it.

When Pomni and Kinger go into the cellar, they come across the Baron's body with a shotgun. In another monster lore recording, we find out that the Baron in is paranoia accidentally shot his wife. The Baron has become the monster that he sought to hunt. He then waited for the monster to come for him but he eventually died in the cellar.

When Kinger inspects the shotgun, we find out that the gun only had two shots.According to the adventure, it implies that there were multiple options to achieve the Pacifist ending. However, notice that Kinger and Pomni took the violent option of shooting the monster. After harming the monster it was revealed that it was one of God's angels and that harming it would lead to being dragged to Hell.

Throughout Pomni's and Kinger's adventure, they are constantly informed that the Baron was the monster and was warned against using the shotgun to harm the angel. Therefore, to get the Pacifist route, the they had to put down the shotgun and show kindness to the angel. However, by choosing the Combative route, they were subjected to going to Hell. This is also a metaphor for their current situation in the Digital Circus. Luckily, Caine did program a way for both Kinger and Pomni to "redeem" themselves by being vunerable with each other and working together to escape Hell.

Bad Endings

If there are different possible routes, then are there different possible bad endings? Yes.

Possession Bad Ending

The first bad ending is the possession ending. This ending would have been achieved if Pomni and Kinger breathed while walking through the hallway leading to the stairway exit from Hell.

Mutually Assured Bad Ending

The second bad ending is the mutually assured bad ending. This would have been achieved if Kinger and Pomni heard the additional lore recording of the Baron before deciding to shoot the monster/angel. Since they haven't decided befriend the monster/angel, they to end the adventure "early" by using the to shotgun for something else. If you know the ending of IHNMAIMS, then you know what I am insinuating.

Consequences of Bad Endings

If a guest befalls a bad ending, will that impact them outside of an adventure? If Pomni remained possessed, could Caine fix the issue or would Caine be unable to fix her? Does Caine have the ability to revive someone who faced a terrible end in an adventure? We know that npcs can leave their respective adventures but can status effects carry over outside of adventures as well?

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Orange Side Wraith Design

I wanted to style Orange side off of a ghost, more specifically a wraith. According to DnD, a wraith is"malice incarnate, concentrated into an incorporeal form that seeks to quench all life." I chose a wraith due to how ABD-illustrates depicts him in the 2022 Halloween Sanders Sides calendar. Orange side seems to be portrayed as a ghost in the attic. From his perspective it reminds me of the Squidward meme where he is suffering from FOMO.

I wanted Orange side to represent c!Thomas's growing resentment and hatred. To express this, I wanted to model him close to how Thomas looked when he played Sweeney Todd.I was also inspired by the interactions you have with the Spectre version of the Princess in the game Slay the Princess. If you made her angry, she reveals her true skeletal form and then either possess you or attack you by freezing your heart.

To achieve his goals, he plans on possessing Logan since Logan's body was originally Orange side's body. When Orange side lost his head, his original body generated a new head that contained none of Orange side's memories. Thus causing Logan to exist. Since they both have a strong connection with each other, Orange side believes that he is entitled to getting his body back and wants to enact revenge on the one(s) who caused him to have unfinished business in the first place.

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I was thinking about the 5 year anniversary video and

it is interesting to me how Patton kind of decided for Logan what his role in the "family" would be. all the other sides chose it themselves, but he didn't get to.

even when he actively objects it's played for laughs and never addressed. this happened too when Patton revealed his name for him, and I just think it's interesting to note that after all these years, Logan still never gets to decide anything when it comes to Thomas, or even himself, to an extent. it's just kind of decided for him and he is expected to just go along with it, similar to how it was when Thomas dyed his hair.

ik it's mainly a "haha wine mom" moment, but that doesn't take away from how angsty it gets when you think about it.

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Logan and Orange Side Dynamic

I consider Logan and Orange Side to be two parts of a whole side. Not two equal parts, more like mind and body. One is hungry to be listened to and the other one is growing more furious waiting to get his missing piece back so that he can become whole again.

The lyrics from the video above really feels like what their dynamic will be when Orange Side shows up.

I might not be too far off.

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Heroforge Fairy Hazel and Lezah

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FOP: A New Wish Season 2 Episode Ideas

I believe that at the end of the season finale of FOP: A New Wish that Dev Dimmadome still has his memories. This is due to him having his sunglasses on when Jorgen tried to erase his memories. If there is a season 2, then Dev's character arc will be for him to make amends with Hazel and Peri for all the bad things he did while trying to impress his dad. However,Dev will not be able to reveal to anyone that he still has his memories or he'll risk losing his memories for good if Jorgen finds out.

In the meantime, he pretends to not have his memories of fairies, magic or even being friends with Hazel. This does lead to situations where he gets on Hazel's nerves which he secretly hates.

Idea One: Wishing Overload

One day, Dev notices that the world is out of wack due to too many wishes being made in one day. Turns out, Hazel has been taking requests for wishes from her friends and now those wishes are conflicting with each other. Hazel tries to unwish the wishes but Cosmo and Wanda are too exhausted and they don't have enough magic to unwish the wishes. Over hearing this, Dev sees this as an opportunity to do some good for a change and try to secretly corral some of the wishes away from the town while Cosmo and Wanda are recovering. When everything returns to normal, Dev decides it would be best to help Hazel in secret if anything magic related goes wrong.

Idea Two: Where's My Super Suit

In a later episode, the class goes on a field trip to the Galax Institute to tour the facility. While there, Hazel notices her dad going into a door labeled "Top Secret: High Clearance Only". Curious as to what her dad is working on, Hazel sneaks through the door as well. While Hazel is gone Winn and Jasmine agree to cover for her while she is away from the tour. Catching this, Dev decides to sneak into the Top Secret area through the air vents as to not draw attention to himself. Turns out the Top Secret area is a Research and Development facility dedicated to creating power suits that helps combat magical threats. Hazel's dad was called to present the prototype power suit he helped to develop.

Hazel has conflicting feelings on what's going on. On the one hand she is very worried about the safety of Cosmo, Wanda and any fairies unlucky enough to be caught by someone wearing this power suit. However, on the other hand she knows that her dad worked hard to develop that suit. If the project were to be shutdown, then her dad would lose his job and her family would have to move again. She reasoned, if the prototype suit were to somehow go missing, then maybe it will buy the fairies some time to look over the suit and find ways to counter the technology and then she can return the prototype before her dad suffers any consequences.

Hazel then makes a wish to send the prototype power suit to Fairy World to have it studied. Cosmo and Wanda eagerly try to make that wish however, when they raise their wands nothing happens. Turns out there is something in the Top Secret area that is able to block their magic. So the only other option is to physically steal the prototype power suit 'heist movie style'. Hazel excitedly goes over a full heist scenario involving her friends and Anthony to steal the power suit.

However, her synopsis of her heist plan is interupted by the sound of alarms going off in the facility. Turns out the prototype power suit had just been stolen. Startled by the noise Hazel, Cosmo and Wanda rush out the Top Secret area before the facility goes into complete lockdown and rejoins her class before the tour ended.While Hazel is happy to be able to rejoin her class safe and sound, she is worried about who stole the prototype power suit and what their intentions with the power suit are. The episode ends with Dev in the prototype power suit, successfully able to steal it because he was in the air vents over the room with the power suit inside.

Now with the power suit, Dev can help Hazel with weird wishes and to combat against anti-fairies without showing himself and losing his memories to Jorgen. Sadly, Dev doesn't know that Hazel's dad's job is at risk if the power suit goes missing for too long.

I think this would be a good way to go about the rest of the season. Hazel spends some episodes trying to find out who stole the prototype power suit and needs to deliver it to Fairy World so it can be studied. Hazel's dad needs to find the prototype power suit so that he can keep his job. Finally, Dev wants to keep the prototype power suit so that it stays out of the hands of the Galax Institute and to use it to help Hazel when wishes go wrong without getting caught by Jorgen.

Power Suit Design

As for what the power suit looks like; I wanted it to be a callback to a couple of suit designs from Butch Hartman's previous works, such as:

Danny Fenton's ghost catching suit before he becomes Danny Phantom, the suit Timmy wore when he fought against Denzel Crocker during the special Abra-Catastrophe and Timmy's Cleft the Boychin Wonder suit.

Now I just need a theme to tie these suits together. After doing some research, it seems that crows have a strong connection to fairies. According to @the-fae-folk "crows/ravens are messengers, transformed humans, disguised faerie folk, or secret keepers.If someone in the world has a secret, then within the hour, a crow or raven somewhere will know it. They are excellent friends, and terrifying enemies. They are very intelligent birds, even when not connected to the unseen world."

There are many types of crows, but I landed on the "Hooded Crow". I chose this crow because it matches the color scheme of Danny Fenton's suit and I can translate the hooded aspect of the crow's look into the design of the power suit.

For additional details that I would like to add since the theme of the power suit is going to be a hooded crow would be the mask and and the style of the suit. I chose the following references:

The mask of a plague doctor and the costume design from an old anime that I remembered called G-Force.

All this together lead to this design. I'm still learning how to draw so I am using Heroforge to show my vision of what the prototype power suit would look like.

I really liked how the design turned out. If you would like to look over the design and improve on it, then here is the link to the design.

Please let me know what episode ideas for season 2 you would like to see.

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Dev Still Remembers!

Dev still remembers that he had Peri as his godparent!

When Jorgen was erasing everyone's memories, his wand was behaving like a Neuralyzer from the movie "Men In Black".

A neuralyzer is a device that wipes the memory of a target. The set length of memory erased can be changed using dials, and the effects can be reversed. In order for agents to not be harmed by the effects, they have "Ray-Ban" sunglasses, that deflect the light created by the neuralyzer.

Notice what both Jorgen and Dev are wearing when Jorgen uses his wand to wipe out memories about fairies and magic.

Dev still remembers! Now what does this mean if there is a season 2? Dev may help out Hazel and her friends behind the scenes when Hazels' wishes go wrong. He will probably learn how to do good without getting any recognition for his work. Maybe he can earn the trust of Peri again and regain him as his fairy.

If you want to know my ideas for a season 2, then click below 👇

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Remade some old Sanders Sides Heroforge minis

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Trading Creative Spaces

Here's an idea for a Sanders Sides episode. What would happen if two sides were forced to stay in each other's rooms?

Well we know what happens when other sides enter Vigil's or Patton's rooms. If they stay for too long, then they become corrupted. But what would happens when two sides who share similar properties such as Roman and Remus? Since they both possess different parts of Creativity, would they be corrupted by each other's rooms or would they swap roles?

I was inspired by this one episode of Dexter's Laboratory where after Dexter's dad wins a bowling trophy and comes home to show it to his family, Dee Dee and Dexter breaks it in their scuffle between each other. As punishment to teach them both a lesson about respecting each other's possessions, Dexter's dad forces them to not go to their own rooms but to each other's rooms instead.

The episode starts with c!Thomas suffering from a creative block while trying to write a script for an upcoming project. Roman is summoned for his creative assistance but he is unable to think of anything interesting other than for tired old tropes. In Roman's desperation for an idea, Remus appears insulting Roman for his boring ideas and constantly pitches ideas that would lead to the upcoming project being demonetized. This leads to Roman and Remus fighting in the background while c!Thomas is trying to write the script on his computer. While Roman and Remus are fighting, they shove into c!Thomas and he accidently turns off the computer. This causes him to lose all the progress he made on the script.

c!Thomas let's out a rage filled scream which makes both Roman and Remus stop in the middle of their fight and notice what just happened. c!Thomas turns around and begins to yell at them for not getting their act together and it has caused him to lose progress. Now he needs to start over. Roman insists that he is going to his room since everyone thinks that his ideas are old and tired much like c!Thomas himself. Remus let's out a laugh and decides that it's time for him to retire to his room much like how c!Thomas should retire to Shady Pines. Both sink down to their rooms before c!Thomas could respond.

c!Thomas enraged by both of the brothers, forcefully summoned them both back to the living room by their collars, to their surprise. c!Thomas then exclaims, "You'd like that, wouldn't you? Safe in your own little rooms playing with your own 'little toys'. Well it seems you both need a lesson in respecting other people's property! So instead of you going into your own rooms, you are going to each other's room instead! And you'll both stay there until I finish my script!" Remus screams in excitement while Roman screams that Remus is just going to mess up his room. Without hesitation c!Thomas teleports the two brothers into each other's rooms and then returns to his desk to start over with his script in relative peace.

So, what do you think of this episode pitch?

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That song definitely reminds me of this conversation in "Learning New Things About Ourselves".

In the series c!Thomas is currently stuck in mutiple loops.The first loop being in and out of relationships. The series started with c!Thomas's breakup with his ex, which lead him to wanting to know more about himself and whether he is a good person or not.

This leads to the second loop; when c!Thomas has a dilema between whether to be selfish or selfless when it comes to his friends, a new dark side spawns from the ether. When c!Thomas was deciding whether to lie to Joan for not going to their play reading, Janus appeared. After c!Thomas went through a mock trial in his head on whether to choose the callback or go to his friend's wedding, Remus appeared due to his lingering doubts on missing the callback. A possible dilema that might bring out the orange side could be c!Thomas having to choose between his current relationship with Nico or helping one of his friends.

This all culminates into the biggest loop that affects the Sanders Sides series as a whole,c!Thomas not being satisfied with his content leading to the longer wait times for the next Sanders Sides episode coming out. Roman is taking as much time as possible to make content that would stand up to Logan's harsh criticisms. Logan wanting to keep c!Thomas's commitment to regularly providing content. When c!Thomas misses that schedule, that brings out c!Thomas's anxiety due to not meeting his own expectations. Finally, c!Thomas distracts himself with other projects only to fallback on the same issues which lead to him missing content deadlines in the first place.

Now I'm going to leave you with this poorly aged joke.

This song also makes me think of a very not-okay c!Thomas.

Lyrics

Over and Over

I fuck myself over

And under and under

I do it again

Have fun with this tidbit :)

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Best Introduction for Orange Side

Scrolling through tiktok and found this sound and thought the audio would be perfect for Orange side. This is the attitude that I want Orange side to have. I also want Orange side to be able to confront c!Thomas on how he always wants to be perceived as completely innocent when deep down he isn't.

Subtitles:

"You wanna make me a monster? Fine.

You wanna act like you're completely innocent? OK.

But when these people are parading you around like some newfound god; What's going to happen when they find out?

That you're the god, who created me?"

The audio from video from by DanielaVE. Please give them a follow as well.

Original sound from DOOFGUY. Please give them a follow as well.

What do you all think?

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Orange Side Design - Revised

I wanted Orange side to be a mythological creature brought into the modern day. The minotaur came to mind due to Thomas resonating with his astrological sign Taurus. I believe Orange side represents retributive hatred, which refers to hatred in response to wrongdoing, driven by a moral notion of desert. What comes to mind with retributive hatred is street justice. So why not combine the mythology of the minotaur with a biker?

I wanted to give him the ability to transform between his biker form and his minotaur form. As for a weapon, Orange side would typically fight with his fists. However, since escaping from his imprisonment from c!Thomas's subconscious, he carries the heavy weight of his chains wrapped around his right arm and a nearly unbreakable shackle on his left wrist.He uses his shackle as a means of defending against physical attacks and deflecting projectiles. He uses his chain as a whip for longer ranged attacks or wrapped around his fist for short ranged heavy hits.

As for the mark on his forehead, it's a permenant scar he sustained when he fought to take control of c!Thomas before his imprisonment.

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Orange Side's motives

Orange is on the war path against those who have wronged him. The song "Hell To Your Doorstep"-Thomas Borchert exemplifies what we have in store in the upcoming Sander Sides season finale. In the song, it describes the character Dante, overcome with rage, vows a terrible revenge on all his conspirators who wrongfully imprisoned him, including Mercédès, for she has betrayed him by stepping into a marriage with another man and having a child together. I believe Orange side will also take this route of revenge on those who are against him.

Who is Orange going to enact his vengeance on?

Janus

Nico

Patton

Roman/Remus

Janus

Let's start with Janus. Why would Orange want to enact revenge on him? Well who would want to be friends with their warden? You might be wondering, "You mean Janus is imprisoning Orange? Where are you getting this from?" Well PickYourPoison on their YouTube channel made a great theory video linking Janus's connection to the Orange side through his Christmas sweater.

Please go and give them a like and subscribe.

In summary, each side's Christmas sweater corresponds with a Christmas movie or Christmas theme. Patton's sweater is modeled after a gingerbread cookie, Logan's sweater is modeled after the movie "The Polar Express", Virgil's sweater is modeled after the story of "Rudolf the Red nosed Reindeer" and Roman and Remus's sweaters are modeled after the play "The Nutcracker". However, Janus's sweater is modeled after the 9 circles in Hell based on the book "Dante's Inferno". Where the sweater connects to both Janus and Orange is in the center of the sweater where a stripe contains a yellow eye. According to the video the stripe represents the 5th circle of Hell known as Wrath and Janus is keeping a watchful eye on it to make sure whatever is in there stays at bay. This is further supported by the frosted chains on the sweaters sleeves.

Janus's function is to not disclose things to c!Thomas that he doesn't want to know. However, since throughout the series c!Thomas made it his goal to learn more about himself. At first from Janus's perspective, he didn't take c! Thomas seriously about learning more about himself. Then Virgil got accepted by c!Thomas and light sides and that got Janus scrambling to get things in order so that he and the other sides will be prepared for Orange when he is eventually freed.

Nico

Now what could be the catalyst into freeing Orange side from their prison? Nico, more specifically how c!Thomas perceives his relationship with Nico. As, stated before the goal of the Sanders Sides series is for c!Thomas to learn more about himself. However, what sparks him towards this journey of introspection? His breakup with his previous boyfriend. We don't know much about what caused the breakup but from what we got from the episode "Moving On, Part 2/2 " that c! Thomas's boyfriend was not happy in their relationship and c! Thomas loved him so much that he wouldn't want to put his ex back into a situation like that again.

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Before meeting Nico c!Thomas was getting over a breakup, trying to process whether or not he is a good person, questioning his sexuality(the Valerie thing during the Valentine's Day episode... that was an odd one ngl), navigating adulting,confronting the darker sides of himself, worrying whether or not he is on the right career path pursuing YouTube full-time, losing a callback that could have been his huge break just to go to a friend's wedding and is worrying about the prospect that he might be alone for the rest of his life. Now c!Thomas is rushing into another relationship without understanding why the previous relationship didn't work. And what's worse, I don't even think that c!Thomas even likes Nico as a person but as something to hold him over while he tries to gain some control over his own life.

Since the introduction of Nico we only know cursory things about him. Mainly what we have seen from his stickers and pins, that he is a music writer and that he likes art shows. Heck, what is the icon that c!Thomas associates Nico with in his contacts and wrapping for Nico's gift?A carrot.

Yes, it is a cute nod to how they first met but also Thomas hates carrots. This isn't even speculation, we constantly get mixed signals from Patton about Nico on not knowing him and c!Thomas getting a trendy gift for Nico after not getting him anything for Christmas is suspicious. Whatever happened to break the relationship between c!Thomas and his ex may befall his relationship with Nico as well.

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Patton

Speaking of Patton,why would Orange side want to enact revenge against him? Well I believe Patton maybe one of two sides responsible for Orange Sides imprisonment in the first place. Patton encompasses c!Thomas's morals that he was taught by his parents and encompasses most of c! Thomas feelings. Throughout the series Patton has been increasingly seen as being too controlling over c!Thomas's morality, leading to the reveal of Remus and making c!Thomas feel like he is a bad person for not sacrificing his free time to help others in need. This has caused a rift in Patton's relationship with Virgil. Patton tried to change by softening his approach on how he discusses moral issues but as we've seen in Putting Others First Redux that only disguised his intentions. After this episode's events where Janus gets accepted by c!Thomas and Patton, Roman who used to view Patton as a moral authority on issues no longer respects him. Now, Patton seems to afraid to voice his opinions anymore or else he'll be picked on by the other sides. He seems now to hangout more with Janus according to the music video episode "in Into The Unknown". However, Janus rarely tells him anything.

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Did Patton sentence Orange to be imprisoned or was his overbearing morals the reason why Orange had stayed imprisoned for so long? Either way, I would be enraged at a justice system that would lock me up and throw away the key.If Patton is the judge that sentenced Orange to prison, Janus is the warden keeping Orange prisoner, and Nico/c! Thomas's ex are the victims, then who was the cop that arrested him?

Roman and Remus

I suspect the culprit or should I say culprits are Roman and Remus. More specifically the being who was Creativity before Roman and Remus split. Why do I say this? Well let's look at the evidence.Roman is c!Thomas's creativity that revolves around his passions. Roman usually tries to portray himself as a hero guiding c!Thomas to achieve his hopes and dreams at the cost of c!Thomas's health.

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Roman is also the only side who is depicted fighting monsters. Such as the Dragon Witch and the manticore-chimera.

Roman's fear is being rejected and suffers from self-esteem issues.Virgil's Anxiety is the reason that gets c!Thomas out of bed in the morning and not seeking his hopes and dreams.

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Roman fears his work being harshly criticized by Logan for not being good enough, professional enough, serious enough.

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Roman feels guilty that it's his fault that c!Thomas's desires are more important than doing good for others.

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c!Thomas assures Roman that he needs him but he doesn't know what feeling could motivate him into doing good.

If Roman is going through all of these existential issues, what issues did the Original Creativity have? Now for Remus, he is the side that represents Instrusive Thoughts. While he may provide random negative thoughts, it is up to c!Thomas on whether he will act on them or not.

Remus also seems to amplify c!Thomas's negative thoughts. For example, jumping to conclusions about being rejected by Nico.

Notice in this scene, that this is the only time Remus acted through fake Nico. Therefore, there is a high likelihood that Remus was told this before. I speculate that it was probably Roman who told him that after the feral cat incident.

So where am I going with this? Original Creativity carries both Roman's insecurities and Remus's amplification of negative thinking. There was a conflict between him and Orange side due to differing ideals. During the quarrel he thought of a terrible idea to win the fight and severely injured Orange side and caused Orange's imprisonment. Orange's views didn't sit well with Original Creativity. These conflicting viewpoints caused him to split into Roman and Remus.

Orange Side's Crime and What he Represents

We went through who wronged Orange side, now we need to know what crime did Orange commit and if he committed a crime at all? I suspect that Orange was trying to "unify" the sides under him instead c!Thomas. Orange represents hatred, more specifically retributive hatred which refers to hatred in response to wrongdoing, driven by a moral notion of desert.  His reasoning is there is a principle of nature known as the Survival of the Fittest. The animal that wins has got to fight for it or else the animal will be taken advantage of by someone else. c!Thomas is that animal who is trying to survive, he is struggling and fighting to keep himself afloat. So Orange believes that he must become the side that c!Thomas must rely on the most for him to survive in this world. He values c!Thomas's self-worth but believes c!Thomas's indecisiveness makes him too weak too be behind the wheel of decision making. With Orange behind the wheel, he would ruthlessly crush anyone who gets in his way of achieving his goal of trying have c!Thomas achieve success in life. This idea is coming from the lyrics from the cut song "Biggering".

Orange Side's Influence on c!Thomas and his Personality

The influence of Orange has been prevalent throughout the series especially in the episode "Are There Healthy Distractions". In the episode c!Thomas is contemplating his friendship with Rico due to Rico informing him that he used to not support gay rights. That caused c!Thomas to angrily interrogate Rico and then returned to his apartment to roomenat on what happened.

Then Virgil brings up this:

"You only see things from your perspective and your perspective is your eyeballs looking out, away from you. And that makes it a lot harder to see your own flaws or where you went wrong."

Virgil later elaborates c!Thomas's behavior at the party:

"When Ricko brought up that he used to not support gay rights, maybe you shouldn’t have immediately started angrily interrogating him. Because he used the past-tense and he trusted you enough to share a history that he was not proud of with you.

And sure, he wouldn’t have gotten around to some of the stuff you wanted to know about on his own, but things might have gone smoother if you just calmly asked later. And, even though you had a right to feel angry, maybe you shouldn’t have taken your anger out on him because he’s right, he is a different person now.

And attacking a person for opinions that they don’t have doesn’t really do anybody any good. And even though he was kinda snobby when he told you that “your behavior is unacceptable”, you still shouldn’t have fired back, “oh yeah, like me kissing a man is unacceptable?” because again, he doesn’t feel that way anymore.

And he’s always been supportive and comfortable around you and your boyfriends and now maybe we ruined a good friendship ‘cuz we couldn’t see past his past and we put the final nail in the coffin by skipping out on the party!"

From this alone we have a good read on Orange side's personality. Orange can be vengeful. A vengeful personality is characterized by a desire to seek revenge or an unwillingness to forgive. He has an inability to manage negative emotions, especially anger. Orange seems to be unable to see his own wrongdoings even though his feelings of anger may be justified. Orange seems motivated by power, this is shown when c!Thomas started angrily interrogating Rico and attacking him for opinions that he doesn't have. Orange is willing to incur greater personal costs to get his revenge. This is shown with c!Thomas in a moment of anger was willing to risk losing his friendship with Rico just so that he could attack Rico for opinions he no longer holds. Even with Orange imprisoned, his presence is strong.

Orange Side and Logan

Finally, if Logan's logic is suppose to oppose Orange side's hatred, what relationship will Orange have with Logan? I suspect that Logan used to be apart of Orange. Not in an identical twin sense like Roman and Remus, but more like an Orange fruit missing a segment of itself. Logan used to be apart of Orange, his scene of reason, planning and foresight. To put in biological terms Logan was Orange's prefrontal cortex. When Orange was whole, he represented c!Thomas's sense of Truth about himself and the world and he worked along side Original Creativity who represented c!Thomas's Ideals for himself and the world. As c!Thomas grew Whole Orange noticed more and more that c!Thomas will need to acquire as much knowledge as possible so that c!Thomas can be successful and not be taken advantage of. However, his thirst for knowledge led him to be arrogant and controlling to a point where he tried to convince the other sides to work under him so that they can make c!Thomas a more productive and punctual version of himself.

However, it went poorly, much like how it went when Logan suggested that c!Thomas should get a real job and that he should be taken seriously. After Logan wanted to change c!Thomas's life around, Virgil says that "What you just suggested would be a massive change in Thomas's life. So, I kinda hate you right now and shut your dirty mouth."

So Whole Orange tried to take over control of c!Thomas by force.During the fight Whole Orange gets serverly injured to a point that a piece of him was severed from him. Then Orange was casted in c!Thomas's subconscious below. The piece that was severed from Orange was given new form and became the side we know today as Logan. Stricken with conflicting ideas Original Creativity soon split into two sides Roman and Remus. Roman upheld the morality that led to Orange's imprisonment while Remus abjectly rejects it to the point that he embodies an aspect of creativity that cannot be imprisoned or tamed. Intrusive Thoughts.

So, what will happen when Logan meets Orange side? I believe that Orange will try to convince Logan to become Whole with him again. Their combined power will allow Logan's wishes to be heeded and to be taken as a serious threat.

This has been foreshadowed in the episode "Working THROUGH Intrusive Thoughts" through the cover song "We Could Fly" - Sam Sparro, in the lyrics "Stop trying to rule the world" .

As for Orange, he will be able to grow in power, regain control over his negative emotions by using Logan's logic,work towards his goals of gaining control of c!Thomas and exacting revenge on those who have wronged him.

Logan, I am your Father

Yes, I know I pulled a "Luke, I am your Father" trope but the dialog just works so well here.

Orange- Logan, you have only begun to discover your power. Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength we can end this convoluted loop of self-destruction and bring order to c!Thomas.

Logan-In what scenario would I ever join you?

Orange-If you only know how powerful the motivation of vengence is. Nobody ever told you when your birthday was?

Logan- The closest approximation of my birthday is c!Thomas's birthday. It's impossible to determine when c!Thomas developed the qualities that came together to form me.

Orange-No Logan, your qualities originated from me. For you were once apart of me. I am your Father!

Logan-That's not true, that's impossible.

Orange-Search your feelings. The times you displayed your wrath towards others. You know it to be true!

Logan-No!

Orange- Logan, we can overthrow c!Thomas. I have foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me Logan and together we can control c!Thomas's future as Father and Son!

I think I'm going to end it here. Sorry for the long essay. This has been on my mind for a while and I wanted to get this off my chest.

[greenleopard49]

Thank you for being patient with me. I'll definitely make sure to indicate my tone when communicating online. 😁

Pick 2 to protect you (Sanders Sides Edition) First Choice

Conditions:

Limited to canon.(Whatever is shown in the Sanders Sides Series and whatever Thomas has said about any of the sides.)

No moral compass.(Ex. Patton when threatening the imaginary lives of c!Thomas's friends during the Trolley Problem scenes in Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux or someone threatens Virgil)

Negative health effectives based on what the side represents are allow.(Ex.The negative effects of Virgil and Patton keeping c!Thomas awake due to him having Intrusive Thoughts.)

All are fully realized.(Ex. Roman doesn't need c!Thomas's permission to use daydream mode, Remus is as strong as he was in WTIT, Logan when he believes people are listening to him and LilyPatton are allowed)

The sides rooms that we know of are allowed.

If something makes this hypothetical situation more exciting, let it happen.

To pick your second side click here!

[greenleopard49]

A: Sorry, I was just trying to come off as funny and not rude. That wasn't my intent. I'm more of a Star Trek fan myself.

B: I just assumed that people would be putting themselves in c! Thomas's shoes because I emphasized in the conditions to stick with canon and allowing the negative health effects of each side. I'll make sure to be more specific next time I try to make conditions for a poll.

Pick 2 to protect you (Sanders Sides Edition) First Choice

Conditions:

Limited to canon.(Whatever is shown in the Sanders Sides Series and whatever Thomas has said about any of the sides.)

No moral compass.(Ex. Patton when threatening the imaginary lives of c!Thomas's friends during the Trolley Problem scenes in Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux or someone threatens Virgil)

Negative health effectives based on what the side represents are allow.(Ex.The negative effects of Virgil and Patton keeping c!Thomas awake due to him having Intrusive Thoughts.)

All are fully realized.(Ex. Roman doesn't need c!Thomas's permission to use daydream mode, Remus is as strong as he was in WTIT, Logan when he believes people are listening to him and LilyPatton are allowed)

The sides rooms that we know of are allowed.

If something makes this hypothetical situation more exciting, let it happen.

To pick your second side click here!

[greenleopard49]

Sanders Sides Orange Side Reveal Idea

I'm Obsessed with this song. I believe with just some adjustments it would be perfect for c!Thomas to sing if the Orange side is revealed and he accepts that part of himself. The lyrics "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" gives me the shivers.

The Cyclops would best align with Patton,the Witch would align with Janus,Poseidon would align with Logan and finally the Trojan Soldier would align with Roman.

Hope someone more creative than me will make a Sanders Side animatic out of this song.