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Hello Mr ENTJ! First, sorry for your loss. I am sure your grandmother is greatly missed. Second, a question. Could you briefly discuss the peculiarities of a weird animal, which is ENTJ 6w5? Any specific features distinguishing 6w5 ENTJ from “textbook ENTJs”? Can enneagram 6 contribute to Si-like traits? Thank you and take care.

Thanks for your condolences. To your question:

In theory, ENTJ 6w5s are distinguished from “textbook ENTJs” (definition of a textbook ENTJ: enneagram 3 or 8) by being more risk averse, more introverted by society’s standards, more likely to align themselves with established groups (i.e. joining the federal government or military instead of a small tech startup), less likely to follow textbook ENTJ gut instincts without hard evidence, and slower to make decisions because they require more data to feel secure enough to act. They’re generally more oriented towards fortification instead of expansion.

High Si types (ISTJ, ISFJ, ESTJ, ESFJ) have what I call a higher activation threshold compared to the other MBTI types, especially intuitives, meaning they need more supporting evidence before they accept a change in direction and act. Enneagram 6 contributes to Si-like traits in an ENTJ because it increases their activation threshold and it makes them more cautious resulting in seeking out more concrete evidence than a typical textbook ENTJ would need to feel confident in their actions. In comparison to concrete thinking (sensors), abstract thinking (intuitives) is a much higher risk mode of operation. I’d expect a person looking to avoid negative consequences to adopt traits of the former way of thinking for additional peace of mind.

In practice, ENTJ 6w5s are highly represented in fields that require threat assessment and rapid responses such as national intelligence, counterrorism, and digital Trust and Safety to combat organized crime, online fraud, and cyber threats. I encountered a high number of ENTJ 6w5s when I worked in the federal government on national security and today in BigTech where they use their natural talents in data collection, pattern recognition, and abstract interpretation to anticipate, strategize, and respond to threats with the goal of making their environment safer.

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ENTJ vs INTJ

The same functions are in use albeit a bit flipped around. As a result the differences between the two are rather nuanced.

Extraverted Thinking (Te) in the dominant position is characterized by a tendency towards segmentation, organization, systematizing, and a desire to understand the external world.

Ti as a function, is the most logical of all. Te by contrast, is the most rational. While logic is founded upon axioms, driven forward by static principles, rationality is characterized by general pragmatism. Te is a tool used to guide action and solve problems based upon the empirical aspects of the world, hence it’s frequent association with the sciences and business. Due to it’s empirical nature, it is not moved by emotional arguments, or even pure logic. It emphasizes hard evidence, and in the absence of that, literal testing or verification.

In the dominant slot Te also creates an overwhelming desire to control the external world. To the ENTJ, being made subject to the whims and conditions of the empirical world or even external individuals, is intolerable. One could view their desire to master it as a pre-requisite to dominating it (a la’ Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Mao Tse-Tung, and the plethora of ENTJ CEOs.)

When paired with Ni, it has a tendency towards reformation, although this frequently resembles the usurpation of power or overthrowing of established systems. The Ni factor causes it to prize effectiveness over efficiency, noting that one can be highly efficient at something that ultimately yields poor results. To the SJs, this type resembles a bringer of chaos, every decision and action however has been carefully deliberated upon, the likely effects shrewdly calculated. Nothing is ever left to chance.

Introverted Intuition (Ni) in the dominant positionis characterized by an unconscious processing that precedes reason, frequently manifesting as insight or foresight.

The processing of Ni is unconscious. Due to that the typical Ni dominant experiences the majority of their “thinking” as fantasy, subjective imagery, or the conjuring of symbolic devices. From these constructs emerge sudden realizations that come paired with a conviction of things to come, or a sense of having tapped a hidden truth.

Ni also engages in a form of meta-perspectivism, noting objects and the interpretations that they most commonly warrant. Those interpretations are perceived as projections trying to elicit very specific thoughts or actions. The attitude of Ni however, is to contradict and ultimately exploit those projections.

A good example of that being parasites that have learned to give off the same pheromones as ant larvae. The ants perceive the pheromones (objects) as coming from an infant (interpretation) telling them to bring it food (the elicited thought and action.) The ants end up feeding the parasites even after they’ve grow to ten times the normal size of a larva, never stopping to question what they’re doing.

The meta-perspectivism of Ni combined with the empiricism and systematizing of Te, creates a penchant for masterminding or “gaming the system.”

For ENTJ, Ni plays a supporting role to their Te. They are primarily unaware of it and experience it as visceral instinct, or vague direction pointing that allows them to forsee obstacles and to predict actions. Their intuition is primarily used to point out such things and to guide the offensive-mindedness of their Te, as a result their strategies typically center around preemptive striking and blitzkrieg-ing.

Due to having Se in the tertiary position, ENTJs are typically less patient than their INTJ cousins, prone to taking immediate action and responding the moment a problem or threat emerges. That lack of patience and tendency to not strategize far enough into the future has the potential to bring about ruin (reference the itchy trigger finger of Napoleon, or foolhardy actions that lead to the assassination of Caesar)

However, they are far more in touch with the concrete world and less fearful of it, creating a solid balance between the abstract and literal. Between Te-Ni-Se, action and planning occur at once, moving dynamically in the present with their minds always 3 steps ahead. When time is taken to develop Ni, they improve strategically, able to patiently plan further into the future and avoid the silly mistake of shooting before aiming, or trying to do both at once. 

For INTJ Te plays a supporting role to their Ni.Whatever is conjured up by their intuition, is automatically assumed to be valid and they set their Te to work thereafter. This occasionally becomes the equivalent to demanding alchemy of a chemist, although this is sometimes a virtue, considering the scientific and technological achievements of the type. But such ad hoc thinking can be detrimental to say the least, creating models and strategies that fall apart upon being applied to the real world. As such, time has to be taken to develop Se.

Se in the inferior position creates a fear of the external world, hence INTJs are inclined to control it much like the ENTJ, but with it lower in the stack, INTJs are also very patient. That patience tends to either make or break them, sometimes causing the type to utterly miss windows of opportunity or to wait for so long that their strategies are no longer applicable.

When the proper balance between Ni-Te-Se is found, the type maximizes it’s strategic abilities, playing their rivals like chess pieces. A case in point being Hannibal Barca, his enemies left with the sensation of having been struck down by the heavens themselves.

When these types take the time to cover their weak points they begin to temporarily work out of the others primary strength. In certain contexts they can resemble the other so far as personality traits; ENTJs resembling INTJs in the lab setting; INTJs resembling ENTJs in management.

That can be further skewed by enneagram.

Type 3 and 8 INTJs can seem very ENTJ-like.

Type 5 and 6 ENTJs can seem very INTJ-like.

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The Effect of Emotional Abuse on Each Type: ENTJ

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I’ve seen a few posts/requests on here about the effects of emotional abuse and the affect that it has on each Myers Briggs type so, as someone who works with a lot of domestic abuse victims I thought that I’d give my two cents worth. I wanted them to be quite detailed to give people a fair amount of information so this will be the general format; a general description of what it will look like, how this differs from similar types (ie. the ENFJ compared to the INFJ and ESFJ) and a character in fiction who acts similar to this (may not be for the same reason and I might not get one for each type but I’ll try). 

ENTJ

There will be some variation depending on when the abuse took place in their life but  there are somethings that will remain the same.

Ah inferior Fi users, they really do have it hard when it comes to dealing with emotional responses to situations. Chances are that this will mean an ENTJ would be better equipped than most people to deal with abuse, but only when it is happening. With the combination of high Te and Ni it is unlikely that anyone would be able to see what is going on or a huge change in the ENTJ while the situation is happening. They will break down occasionally like anybody else but as Te doms have an amazing ability to compartmentalize and ENTJ’s commonly have a level of detachment from reality; the chance is they will deal with the situation in a very privet way.

What you will tend to see is a person who is still very ambitious and determined, but that is only on the surface. If you look a little closer at them at the time it is going on, what you will fund is that within an ENTJ is a small five year old who is in need of attention. Chances are that they will overachieve in school, a sport, an art or some other area of their life as a way of making up for what is going on at home (If I get straight A’s that is an achievement. Achievements are good. So, if I do this abuser will lay off me and it will help me out in the future. That’s a win win so I should probably cut out sleep and food to have more time to study, Yes, that sounds like a good idea). ENTJ’s don’t necessarily need the emotional reassurance Fe doms do but they are extroverts; they need something from the people around them and regardless of type, everyone needs a lot of love as a child. 

Their Se also tends to come out in a very negative way: they get into drinking, stay out too late, have more partners than they really want, and spend money lavishly. Sounds like it could be fun but they key thing is that the ENTJ won’t truly be enjoying this or doing it because they want to do it. They just need something to do other than be at home or think about what is going on. And they often don’t know how to stop.

After the abuser has left their lives, hello inferior Fi grip. This is a shock to the system for anyone but even more so if this is something that happened to you as a child. This tends to manifest itself in a whole lot of anger and tears and screaming and general behavior that is out of character for the ENTJ. If the person they were being abused by was violent or aggressive, it’s common to see this mirrored in the ENTJ for a short time. This is not to say they’ll lash out at people, but more so that they will, for example, have a very productive day at school or work, they got a lot done but were likely being overly harsh towards others whilst doing it. Incidents of a nightmare boss or a school yard bitch are common. Then they’ll go home and cry for hours, followed by shutting themselves in their room and throwing their say, books, everywhere. This phase shouldn’t last long, however, a few weeks or months and then the ENTJ may untangle what has happened to them, educating themselves as to how to avoid abusive people in the future, and making amends to whatever they messed up when they were in their darkest place.

As they mature just as everyone else they will still have scars from their experiences. It is common to see strong abandonment or trust issues. But, unless there is anything that comes up in their lives that strongly triggers memories of what happened, they’ll likely seem healthy to the people around them. This is partly due to the fact that with the right help they’ll be better than they had been before but also again due to the ability to compartmentalize their problems and preference to deal with emotions alone.

In their head, however, this may not be the case. If they have not truly healed, then they’ll be unlikely to truly connect to other people or at least not be able to show how much they care for them in the way that most people would like to be shown. This can make serious romantic relationships next to impossible for them.

ENTJ’s vs. ESTJ’s

The main tells that differ these two are the following:

The ENTJ’s Se will be very noticeable, the ESTJ is far less likely to cope with indulging their senses in clothes, sex, drink, ect. and if they ever do they will be able to stop far more easily

From what I have seen, eating disorders and OCD are more common in ESTJ’s as a result of domestic abuse as they will need to control the small things in their own environment to try to compensate for the fact that another person is controlling every single other element, emotion and thought in their life

ENTJ’s are more likely to appear disengaged from people and relit when they are at their worst, I say appear because chances are the ESTJ will feel disengaged themselves but will not appear this way to others

When trying to train themselves to be able to notice these people in future, ENTJ’s try to go of gut instinct, while the ESTJ will gather information on the signs to run and scan for those.

ENTJ vs. INTJ

The ENTJ will always want to be able to distract themselves with people and the outer world, the INTJ will remove themselves from it

The Grip, it is VERY COMMON to go into one after you leave an abusive environment and Fi grips are very different to Se grips

Finally, Derek Morgan (Criminal Minds) and especially Harvey Specter (Suits) are examples of what an ENTJ would look like years after abuse. And when Spencer Hastings (Pretty Little Liars)is at her worst with the pills and all that (can’t remember what season that is) is a rough idea of what an ENTJ would look like during abuse. 

This for the other types will be coming soon. If there are any further questions I’d be happy to answer. 

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Functions in one word

Ti: knowledge Te: efficiency Fi: integrity Fe: empathy Ni: meaning Ne: ideas Si: comparison Se: interaction

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Hi Mr. ENTJ, I Hope you and your family are doing great this holiday season! I would really love to get your perspective on the working relationship between ESTP and ENTJ (e.g. do’s, dont’s, competitive advantages of the team, likelihood of conflict, etc.) Both are in leadership positions (different markets - similar roles), with ESTP being more senior (Group level, where ENTJ is country level reporting to ESTP) and much more experienced. Thank you!

It’s been fantastic, thanks, we’ve just returned from the holidays and I hope yours were just as great. Sure. On working relationships between ESTPs and ENTJs, thoughts from my experiences below.

ESTP x ENTJ working relationship

Strengths

Bias for action: Both types have a bias for action making them quick to build plans, expand on ideas, seize opportunities, and execute. In the professional world, speed is critical to success so this is a huge competitive advantage.

High tolerance for pain: Both types are gladiators (no matter the enneagram). Take these two and throw them into the most insane, high-stress, high-impact, demanding projects and they can not only survive but succeed. ESTPs will grind it out with the best of them.

Results oriented: Both types are motivated by realizing actions, plans, and strategies into tangible results. They’re not content with intellectual exercises and philosophical discussions that go nowhere. If there are goals, metrics, and targets to hit– they’ll be hit.

Communication styles: Both types have clear no-nonsense communication styles. If there’s something to say– say it– don’t worry too much about the nuances. This minimizes misunderstandings, hurt feelings, and politics. It also saves a ton of time, energy, and effort.

Weaknesses

Insensitivity: Insensitivity is a huge issue for both types especially when it comes to managing relationships, navigating politics, and having to use consensus over brute force to make decisions in environments where that’s the preferred way of doing things. Keep each other in check or find the local xxFJ to help with this.

Impatience: Both types want to realize tangible results as soon as possible, and if not, they have the tendency to push other people (teams, clients, etc) harder. ESTPs are generally more impatient than ENTJs. Be clear about timelines and expectations, remember that results don’t happen overnight and lack of visible movement doesn’t mean total failure

Lack of detail orientation: Both types are weak at detail-orientation and work that requires precision. ENTJs are weaker at detail oriented work than ESTPs. Check your work multiple times especially when dealing with budgets, contracts, and sensitive documents and get multiple reviewers to look at it. Get an ISTP or ISFJ when in doubt, they’re human scalpels. 

Likelihood for conflict isn’t MBTI related, it’s more determined by the individuals but below is where I’ve clashed with ESTPs and advice on how to navigate those conflicts:

Reactive vs. proactive: ESTPs tend to be more reactive, ENTJs tend to be more proactive. Proactive strategy requires long-term planning, foreshadowing possibilities, and preparation. We’re better than ESTPs at this. A strategy to help ESTPs understand the value of proactive planning is simply to map actions now to results and risks later. “We can get $1,000 in 1 week or we can wait 2 weeks and get $5,000. With that additional $4,000, we can buy computer monitors for 40 more employees. The downside is 10 employees will have to wait a week for their monitors which will cost us $500 in project work.” Be very clear about tangible results and trade-offs. If being abstract and theoretical (exploring the “what ifs”), make sure to concretely quantify the probability and impact of those possibilities.

Inconsistency: ESTPs are excellent at delivering in high-pressure situations but once the adrenaline wears off they can get bored and they struggle to sustain the effort. Repetitive tasks can wear them down so a strategy to keep them engaged is to regularly report results even if the actions are repetitive. Doing push-ups every day isn’t exciting but losing 1 lb this week and 3 lbs next week shows tangible results, movement, and variety. Emphasize progress, it’ll inspire consistency.

Disorganization: ESTPs aren’t organized. To be fair, we aren’t the best at it either but they’re worse. The solution to this is to manage up especially if the ESTP is the senior because they’ll have more on their plate to simultaneously juggle. This means keeping excellent and accurate meeting minutes, organizing project documents into folders, archiving sensitive documents, proactively scheduling meetings/1 on 1s, and reminding them of obligations, tasks, commitments, and deadlines. The bad news is that it’s a constant effort because you’ll need to keep doing it, the good news is that ESTPs are receptive to being managed up as long as you aren’t naggy and they’ll respond quickly to whatever you need (albeit always last minute).

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The Helix Nebula (NGC 7293) is a large planetary nebula located in the constellation Aquarius. The Helix Nebula’s estimated distance from earth is about 215 parsecs or 700 light-years. The Nebula has sometimes been referred to as the “Eye of God” in pop culture because of it’s eye like appearance. It was the first planetary nebula discovered to contain cometary knots, which can be seen as globs with tails around the center of the “pupil”. Astronomers have sense discovered similar structures in other planetary nebulae and use the Helix Nebula as a base case for comparison. There are more than 20,000 cometary knots estimated to be in the Helix Nebula. These knots remain somewhat of a mystery to astronomers.

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“People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that are there. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.”

— Steve Jobs, Founder of Apple

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You've mentioned how you easily cut people out of your life a few times now. You are so certain of yourself and your choices whereas, after cutting many people out of my life as well, I have to ask. People make mistakes and can hurt you sometimes, but if everyone is flawed, how do you know which ones to cut out without leaving yourself alone in a lonely way? I ask because my own choices have been feeling muddled for a while when I used to be confident and with no second thought.

Related answers:

I have problems figuring out when I'm using black and white thinking ("this person is a waste of my time, cut contact immediately") and committing myself to stand my ground. i always feel like I'm being too stubborn and unreasonable. how would you face that?

What is your internal checklist for friends?

How do you deal with friends who project their personal weaknesses into your relationship? Are you willing to forgive jealousy, insecurity disguised as competition etc?

To ensure we didn’t misunderstand each other, I want to clarify that “easily cut people out of my life” doesn’t mean I cut them out for minor mistakes, it means that once they make major violations the process of removing them is swift and drama-free. I’m not cutting people out of my life because they like strawberry milk instead of chocolate milk, they don’t read my blog, or they think cats are better than dogs-- I’m cutting them out for severe breaches in my core values (infidelity, disloyalty, malicious sabotage, etc.). I’m not into public, emotional and dramatic shouting matches, scream fests, and social media meltdowns. When the time comes to cut, I explain to the person exactly what they did wrong so there’s no confusion or doubt, why I’m taking this specific action, and (depending on the person) I’ll wish them well before I move on with my life. There’s no perfect formula that if A happens, then you should react with B because anything involving relationships, friendships, and other human beings is an art and not a science. 

The reason I’m confident in my decisions is rooted in how I manage the friendships in my life:

1. I have clearly defined and communicated boundaries. I’m aware of what is and isn’t acceptable to me, I’ve identified my values, and I’ve set my limits. When someone crosses my boundaries, I figure out why they did so and then I look at the entire relationship as a whole to understand patterns of behavior before I take action. Sometimes the issue is that our boundaries and standards are unrealistic, other times the issue is that our boundaries and standards are realistic but everyone around us can’t meet them. Figure out which is your issue. If it’s the first one, talk to many people and get their feedback to calibrate your expectations. If it’s the second one, change your environment. This is how I figure out the difference. 

2. I set realistic expectations based on the person I’m dealing with. There’s a quote: “If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” The same thing applies to people. 

For example, I have a friend named Kevin. Kevin is a nice guy with a good heart and a brilliant mind for sociology, psychology, anthropology, pop culture, and technology. Whenever we catch up, we talk for hours about all sorts of social science topics and bounce ideas off each other. In my friendship with Kevin, I get rewarding intellectual stimulation and great insight on some of my startup ideas. However, Kevin is hopelessly unreliable and flaky, he can’t manage money to save his life, and he has long bouts of unemployment due to laziness and inaction. Based on what I know about Kevin, he’s a great conversation partner and trusted friend, but he would be a disaster roommate or colleague at work. I adjusted my expectations of Kevin based on his personality without compromising my boundaries and we’ve been good friends for over 20 years without many issues. I don’t expect everyone to be great at everything for me, I expect them to be exactly who they are and great at their own strengths.

3. I’m very selective when it comes to choosing close friends which means I don’t need to cut many people out because I don’t let many people in to begin with. I don’t want to be friends with everyone I meet and I’m not too concerned about being liked by everyone who meets me, being acquaintances is just fine, or even less than that. I’d rather keep my door tightly shut and let people into my home one by one only after meeting stringent (but realistic) standards than to swing my door wide open, let everyone off the street into my home, and then have to kick a bunch of people out. 

4. My trust takes a long time and a lot of effort to earn. Becoming friends with me is like playing an RPG video game with multiple levels. As time goes by and we cross new milestones, our friendship levels up and you unlock new perks and new buffs from me. You don’t get all the perks and all the buffs at the beginning of the game. The more I get to know you, the more I interact with you, the more you prove to me that you can be trusted, then the more you get from me such as my time, my loyalty, my knowledge, my connections, etc. The opposite is also true: the more you screw up, the more levels you lose, and the more perks and buffs are taken away. There are many steps before someone is cut out of my life so when it finally happens it’s never a surprise and always after warnings have been given.

5. I love myself. I believe that I deserve happiness and peace of mind in my life without having to compromise my deeply held values or core identity. I will keep searching for the right people to surround myself with until I find them. There’s no such thing as loneliness because I don’t believe you own people forever-- you experience them temporarily in the time you have together. When you’ve outgrown the relationship and it no longer brings happiness, I know it’s time to move on.

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“Aristotle asked about aretē (excellence/virtue) and telos (purpose/goal), and he used the metaphor that people are like archers, who need a clear target at which to aim. Without a target or goal, one is left with the animal default: Just let the elephant graze or roam where he pleases. And because elephants live in herds, one ends up doing what everyone else is doing. Yet the human mind has a rider, and as the rider begins to think more abstractly in adolescence, there may come a time when he looks around, past the edges of the herd, and asks: Where are we all going? And why?”

— Jonathan Haidt, The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom

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“Live with your century, but do not be its creature. Work for your contemporaries, but create what they need, not what they praise.”

— Friedrich Schiller, Aesthetic Education of Man