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Can we please have Hydrophyte Vash and Ari please?

You will get them eventually. It’s been really hard figuring out how to redesign them.

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This too!!! The man’s canonically a homewrecker!!! He cheated on his childhood sweetheart with Dana — while Dana was dating Gabriel!!! He fuckin stole his brother’s girl!!!

I guess what my morning brain was trying to say that even though Gabi’s death affected him a LOT, that’s not the sole reason why Miguel is the way he is. He’s been serving cunt since 1992 and that’s the whole point. Miguel was a shitty man who worked for a shitty company and had a shitty home life with shitty parents in a shitty future. Then he gets put in a position where he accidentally becomes a pillar of hope for people. Becoming Spider-Man is his redemption arc.

Miguel being a slutty asshole who doesn’t trust anyone is just scratching the surface of the comic lore. Which pulls me back to the original point I was trying to make. There’s no shade on headcanons. We love them and we love to see them. Virgin Miguel AUs are fun as shit and I love them, But the trend of headcanons I’ve been exposed to about his past and stuff are things that can VERY EASILY be answered if people just LOOK AT THE SOURCE MATERIAL. Like, his original 1992 run ALONE has 46 issues. That’s SO MUCH Miguel content for us to enjoy. Even though the O’Haras are painfully Caucasian.

I woke up the day I posted this and chose violence. I’m sorry

I love it when people are make headcanons about a comic book character when they could easily learn the information they’re headcanoning about if they just read the comics

This is not shading the headcanon practice in general. It’s just…one look at the comics and it is OBVIOUS Miguel’s always been a cunt. Like. The man obviously has a lot of rage to work through. It’s brought up in Issue 2 for Pete’s sake. Not even four or five issues in, he has a rage fantasy of shoving drugs down Tyler Stone’s throat and beating the crap out of him. He loses his temper a lot and it is UGLY.

Also the fact that he canonically knocked a girl up.

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You’re totally welcome! I guess I’ve been spoiled by stuff like The Last of Us and The Walking Dead, which rely heavily on familial and platonic love rather than romantic love. The Last of Us specifically — because it shows a bunch of different lives beyond romantic. That and the fact that Spiderverse already subverts a bunch of superhero movie tropes and it focuses heavily on family:

The Spider-People all losing someone who mattered familially or platonically to them

Peter needing a child figure instead of Miles needing a father figure

Kingpin searching for a way to revive his family instead of a way to take over the world

The emphasis on Peter and Mary Jane splitting over Peter’s fear of starting a family rather than a lack of romantic connection

Miles having a good relationship with his parents AND Aaron, plus Jeff making an effort to not talk bad about Aaron despite being estranged from him

Miles asking to be platonic friends with Gwen in ITSV despite seemingly being set up to confess a romantic attraction to her

The Spot mentioning that his family disowned him after his accident rather than a romantic interest being repulsed by him

Miguel’s trauma over losing a family member rather than a love interest

Jess being pregnant and on the cusp of starting her own family

Miles-42 losing his father and the impact it had on him

Etcetera

We do live in a heteronormative society and a lot of emphasis gets put on romantic love, and superhero movies typically have a love interest set up right away or as someone who has a crush on the main character from afar. But Spiderverse has a distinct lack of romance in it that makes it feel really refreshing. It’s one of the things I love about it. I can’t stand most superhero movies because they shoehorn in a romance subplot that doesn’t have anything to really contribute and just feels contrived. Save the romance for the fanfics, just give us the plot for god’s sake!

Anyway that’s my Ted talk, lol. Gwen and Miles having a love story doesn’t necessarily mean that their love story will be romantic. They could have a platonic love story instead and we might not know it.

Miles and Gwen’s relationships outside of being spider people really could’ve changed the tone of the movie but alas here we are. Now I don’t read many comics, but I can speak for the recent Spider-Man PlayStation games that Miles and Ganke’s relationship is way WAYYYYY different that what Across portrayed. I’m still pretty sure it’s like this in the comics I hope but Ganke was more excited to be involved with helping Miles when he became spider man (Ganke was the biggest Spider-man Miles fan I guarantee you). And not only that, I don’t know if you know but Itsv released scrapped scenes which showed a dynamic between Miles and Ganke where Ganke also played an active role in assisting Miles in figuring out how his powers functioned and who he could be. Sadly that idea got scrapped and fast forward to 2023 and we got a Ganke that takes a complete 180 from other versions of him. It’s kinda hard not to look back at Across and then start to wonder if they just so happened to change Ganke’s role in the story just for them to push this narrative that there’s only one singular person who can truly know Miles. And the same thing can be applied to Gwen. (I’ve never read her comics throughly to know how she balances friends who do and don’t know about her second life)

I’m probably on the minority side, but I have mixed feelings about Gwen blowing up at the Mary Jane’s in the opening scene. Granted, it’s not easy to open up about about being a spider woman much let alone about all of the other spider people you learned about that live worlds away. All I’m saying is that those girls were trying to understand why Gwen wasn’t being herself which is what good friends do despite not knowing the whole truth. And I could say more stuff but this all goes back to my main thing: the writers attempting to convince the audience that both Miles and Gwen HAVE to depend on one another and that they can truly know the other is just a huge, random stretch.

Now don’t get me wrong, Miles and Gwen go through certain things that only other spider people get , but the movie is trying to convince us that in a span of a few weeks these two are attached to the hip and can’t live without one another?? The sudden jump just doesn’t make sense.

Oddly enough it could be an interesting plot line in Beyond for Miles and Gwen: Miles learning that his infatuation with Gwen led to false expectations and he views her differently (not in a bad way, but more cautiously as they have to build trust back). Gwen coming to terms that she still isn’t properly healed from when she was close with Peter and lost him. And I think understanding that Miles clearly isn’t the same person he was a year and a half ago, he’s not that amature spider man anymore and he’s grown in his ideals and aspirations and he’s allowed to make his own calls about certain situations

Good morning and thank you for the lovely ask! This has been on my mind a lot since I reblogged that one tweet.

In terms of Ganke, as I keep saying, I think it’s great that they’re trying to do something that’s different from the comics, but it continuously gets harder to support that when I keep hearing about how the comics are better!!! Like yeah, be unique, but also be good and make sense please??

The Mary Janes scene is honestly frustrating when I think back on it. I understand how hard it can be to reach out for help, cause mental blocks can prevent you from doing things that are in reality very easy, I’ve been there. But I find it so hard to sympathize with Gwen when her friends were actively reaching out to her because they were worried about her, and she loses it at them. Did they come at her with some attitude? Yes, and maybe that was unnecessary, but Gwens problems were disrupting their band time, so their upset is understandable

Ahh, this is why spider-verse Gwen is so frustrating to me as a character! They somehow made a character with struggles I absolutely relate to and who I want to feel for, but simultaneously just make her (in my opinion) extremely unlikeable and unsympathetic??? Maybe that’s just a me problem but does anyone relate?

I just don’t even know what to expect from Beyond the Spider-Verse at this point, nor what I even want from it anymore. The anticipation is killing me and I want it out now now now BUT also want the animators to work at a reasonable pace that is most beneficial to them. Cause when the animators thrive, the movie genuinely will too.

I’ve said this before as well; the movie we got with ATSV was spectacular, but if the production side of things weren’t so bad, I think it could have been even better. And the characters deserve better! Because they are good characters, I just feel they’re not reaching their full potentials under the constraints and shitty directing (lookin’ at you, Phillip) (I guess he’s not the director but still you guys get it I hope lmao)

I really wish they would stay friends too, because I want to see strong powerful friendships more often in media, especially amongst opposite gender friends so that when it’s a guy and girl, they can show audiences it doesn’t always have to be about romance. But no, they can’t do that, because the spider-verse movies are about the “love story” between Miles and Gwen, for some reason. Even though it doesn’t make sense. And right now is just a one sided unhealthy attachment caused by refusing to seek help elsewhere when it’s readily available to her (this is Gwen I’m talking about Gwen 😐)

Ah this was a long one lol, thank you so so much for the ask! Idk where else it’s happening but I’m going to an Oktoberfest today, so, have a happy Oktoberfest i guess!! 💖✨

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Yeah, OP, we’re gonna need to see the most unhinged thing Facebook wanted to sell you.

Facebook's eBay recommendations are unhinged

I looked up Spider-Man 2099 pins on eBay one day and for an entire week I got this Spider-conda 2099 pin recommended to me on Facebook like 5 times a day. eBay and Facebook really, REALLY wanted me to buy this pin.

And the sad thing is? This isn't even close to being the most unhinged thing Facebook wanted to sell me.

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You guys both have really valid points and I enjoyed reading your perspectives! Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t really…see any hinting that they were going to ship Miles and Gwen in the movie? I can see the subtext that people can turn into ship fuel, but otherwise Miles and Gwen have never read as anything but friends to me. Just because Miles looks like he’s infatuated with Gwen doesn’t mean that she’s automatically going to reciprocate. One of the core themes of AtSV is finding a community — but the first community you find isn’t always going to be the best one for you, and finding the best one takes time.

Which leads me into this. I feel like Gwen’s biggest flaw is that she isolates herself out of fear of losing them. That’s what the opening scene is about, that’s what it’s trying to convey — Gwen is surrounded by people who love her, who want to help her, and are willing to listen to her, but she lets her trauma control her and she pushes them away to avoid talking about it. The Mary Janes are upset with her for disrupting their practice, but they’re offering to let her talk about it with them. Her dad is still angry about Peter’s death, but he reaches out if she wants to talk. But talking to them means opening up about her trauma, and that’s too much for her to confront because she’s still not ready to discuss it. I’ve done that myself on many occasions — it’s like, confronting if I act like an asshole, people will stay away from me and I can be left alone.

It’s also why — at least in my opinion — Gwen gravitates towards other Spider-People. She didn’t just befriend and interact with Miles, she has a really good rapport with Hobie and Pavitr. The Spider-People understand her problems in a way that her dad and band mates can’t, so she feels like she can open up to them more. Just like Miles’s little fixation on her leads him to see her differently, Gwen’s infatuation with the Spider Society led her to turn a blind eye to how messed up it was that they were actively keeping Miles out for something he didn’t have control over.

And you know who else does that? Miguel shocking O’Hara. Dude is surrounded by people who are willing to talk with him, help him, and two closer-than-average people who understand a super specific part of his existence — but he isolates himself and is a jackass because of that one big bad trauma he has. He is to Gwen what Peter is to Miles; an older parallel of them that mirrors their strongest and weakest points. The scene where Gwen gets kicked out of the Spider Society is a parallel to the scene where she quits the Mary Janes — except she’s finally on the receiving end of her behavior and gets to feel what everyone else felt when she hurt them. Gwen’s very willing to talk and open up a discussion so Miles can be part of the group, but Miguel lashes out at her because he’s not ready to accept that he’s in the wrong. Now that Gwen knows what it’s like to be pushed away, she finally opens up to her dad about what she’s been going through — because him not sharing super specific experiences with her doesn’t mean that he isn’t willing to be there for her and help her if he can.

But hey — these are all my own thoughts and interpretations, and I can’t claim for certain that this is what the crew intended. And the worst thing we can do is try to put thoughts in the heads of people who don’t exist. As said before, your interpretations and viewpoints are totally valid!

Miles and Gwen’s relationships outside of being spider people really could’ve changed the tone of the movie but alas here we are. Now I don’t read many comics, but I can speak for the recent Spider-Man PlayStation games that Miles and Ganke’s relationship is way WAYYYYY different that what Across portrayed. I’m still pretty sure it’s like this in the comics I hope but Ganke was more excited to be involved with helping Miles when he became spider man (Ganke was the biggest Spider-man Miles fan I guarantee you). And not only that, I don’t know if you know but Itsv released scrapped scenes which showed a dynamic between Miles and Ganke where Ganke also played an active role in assisting Miles in figuring out how his powers functioned and who he could be. Sadly that idea got scrapped and fast forward to 2023 and we got a Ganke that takes a complete 180 from other versions of him. It’s kinda hard not to look back at Across and then start to wonder if they just so happened to change Ganke’s role in the story just for them to push this narrative that there’s only one singular person who can truly know Miles. And the same thing can be applied to Gwen. (I’ve never read her comics throughly to know how she balances friends who do and don’t know about her second life)

I’m probably on the minority side, but I have mixed feelings about Gwen blowing up at the Mary Jane’s in the opening scene. Granted, it’s not easy to open up about about being a spider woman much let alone about all of the other spider people you learned about that live worlds away. All I’m saying is that those girls were trying to understand why Gwen wasn’t being herself which is what good friends do despite not knowing the whole truth. And I could say more stuff but this all goes back to my main thing: the writers attempting to convince the audience that both Miles and Gwen HAVE to depend on one another and that they can truly know the other is just a huge, random stretch.

Now don’t get me wrong, Miles and Gwen go through certain things that only other spider people get , but the movie is trying to convince us that in a span of a few weeks these two are attached to the hip and can’t live without one another?? The sudden jump just doesn’t make sense.

Oddly enough it could be an interesting plot line in Beyond for Miles and Gwen: Miles learning that his infatuation with Gwen led to false expectations and he views her differently (not in a bad way, but more cautiously as they have to build trust back). Gwen coming to terms that she still isn’t properly healed from when she was close with Peter and lost him. And I think understanding that Miles clearly isn’t the same person he was a year and a half ago, he’s not that amature spider man anymore and he’s grown in his ideals and aspirations and he’s allowed to make his own calls about certain situations

Good morning and thank you for the lovely ask! This has been on my mind a lot since I reblogged that one tweet.

In terms of Ganke, as I keep saying, I think it’s great that they’re trying to do something that’s different from the comics, but it continuously gets harder to support that when I keep hearing about how the comics are better!!! Like yeah, be unique, but also be good and make sense please??

The Mary Janes scene is honestly frustrating when I think back on it. I understand how hard it can be to reach out for help, cause mental blocks can prevent you from doing things that are in reality very easy, I’ve been there. But I find it so hard to sympathize with Gwen when her friends were actively reaching out to her because they were worried about her, and she loses it at them. Did they come at her with some attitude? Yes, and maybe that was unnecessary, but Gwens problems were disrupting their band time, so their upset is understandable

Ahh, this is why spider-verse Gwen is so frustrating to me as a character! They somehow made a character with struggles I absolutely relate to and who I want to feel for, but simultaneously just make her (in my opinion) extremely unlikeable and unsympathetic??? Maybe that’s just a me problem but does anyone relate?

I just don’t even know what to expect from Beyond the Spider-Verse at this point, nor what I even want from it anymore. The anticipation is killing me and I want it out now now now BUT also want the animators to work at a reasonable pace that is most beneficial to them. Cause when the animators thrive, the movie genuinely will too.

I’ve said this before as well; the movie we got with ATSV was spectacular, but if the production side of things weren’t so bad, I think it could have been even better. And the characters deserve better! Because they are good characters, I just feel they’re not reaching their full potentials under the constraints and shitty directing (lookin’ at you, Phillip) (I guess he’s not the director but still you guys get it I hope lmao)

I really wish they would stay friends too, because I want to see strong powerful friendships more often in media, especially amongst opposite gender friends so that when it’s a guy and girl, they can show audiences it doesn’t always have to be about romance. But no, they can’t do that, because the spider-verse movies are about the “love story” between Miles and Gwen, for some reason. Even though it doesn’t make sense. And right now is just a one sided unhealthy attachment caused by refusing to seek help elsewhere when it’s readily available to her (this is Gwen I’m talking about Gwen 😐)

Ah this was a long one lol, thank you so so much for the ask! Idk where else it’s happening but I’m going to an Oktoberfest today, so, have a happy Oktoberfest i guess!! 💖✨

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Considering how long we had to wait for Across, I feel like this might be a tourism thing. Any news about Beyond would be good news, but I REALLY hope it takes even longer to finish than Across — we can’t be rushed if we wanna go three for three!

This Spider-Man symbol is being put up in Chelsea, NY. Idk what for but I’m hoping it will lead to BTSV trailer release.

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Cara got a redesign, y’all!

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I love it when people are make headcanons about a comic book character when they could easily learn the information they’re headcanoning about if they just read the comics

This is not shading the headcanon practice in general. It’s just…one look at the comics and it is OBVIOUS Miguel’s always been a cunt. Like. The man obviously has a lot of rage to work through. It’s brought up in Issue 2 for Pete’s sake. Not even four or five issues in, he has a rage fantasy of shoving drugs down Tyler Stone’s throat and beating the crap out of him. He loses his temper a lot and it is UGLY.

Also the fact that he canonically knocked a girl up.

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To the person who just sent me an ask -- I was notified of it but it's not appearing in my inbox. You might have to resend it again.

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Me: I have no plans to think about or draw anything after the ending of TriMax because the ending is already satisfying.

Also me: has a random need to draw the Vashkids as adults.

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I hope Ari absolutely fries legato and knives! They have put Vash through so much he**! I hope she does not let either of them get away with what they've done to everyone plant and human alike. She's going to remind everyone that she is not like Vash

Don’t worry, she will. Nobody is really “safe” from Ari’s wrath, depending on how you define it.

Knives’s Ari-induced punishment varies from the continuities. But Legato is pretty much getting his ass beat in EVERY universe. Ari is moody as fuck on a normal day — but sometimes breathing in Vash’s general direction is enough to set her off and get on her hit list for the rest of your life. If she had her way — and sometimes she does — Legato will be fried before he hits the ground.

And I love that for her. It’s weird that I love how violent and trigger-happy she is, you know? Because everyone sees the happy couple together and IMMEDIATELY gets their dynamic wrong. Ari is not a beautiful virtuous angel protecting us from Vash the Stampede.

Vash the Stampede is protecting us from her.

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Where is Ari and her plant babies during the time Vash is a prisoner on the Ark? I hope they are safe

The quadruplets are a-okay for the most part! Vash takes them all out of Kasted and takes them to the Floating Colony. He rightfully believes that they’ll be much safer if they stick with him, because then he’ll be able to ensure they’re kept safe. The babies are confined to the Colony during the Ark attacks and they’re

Ari, on the other hand…well, she’s. There’s no way that she’s gonna let someone hurt her Vash. Not even Knives. Especially not Knives. So the moment she hears he’s been kidnapped, she’s tearing off to search for him and bring him home. It’s only thanks to Wolfwood’s nagging that she doesn’t attack the Ark outright. Lord knows how she kept herself from slaughtering him when she realizes he intentionally led Vash into the lions’ den.

Yeah…it’s not fun for anyone.

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Some spare Naga Vash sketches!

ETA: Since this is getting hella notes, I got a whole naga Vash tag on the blog! Here’s the original post!

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not naming names but i hate this character design trope

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it's so surreal seeing people in the year of our lord 2020 discover Voltron and go through the seven stages of grief and get angry because Lotor deserved better and talk about how terribly the last 3 seasons treated him and I'm just there like

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I just love the difference between this sketch:

And the final production:

The sketch is more playfully mysterious, but the official scene is more…sexy.

It still has that playful, mysterious air around Vash but c’mon, the lighting =////=