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Found this on ebay recently, unfortunately it’s already been sold.
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Footage of Werner Voss speaking with Anthony Fokker in front of Voss’ Fokker Dr.1. (Part 2)
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Konstantin Krefft smacks pilot in the face with his cap, behind newly returned-to-duty Manfred von Richtofen’s injured head
#fokker footage#Manfred von Richthofen#Jagdgeschwader 1#Konstantin Krefft#As far as I know this is the highest def version of this footage
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Colorized footage from the funeral of The Red Baron, April 22, 1918
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Do you think that Manfred had a love interest or that were just rumors?
I think it's possible he had made informal plans to marry after the war -- maybe.
My first line of evidence is based on some his mother's diary, which is one of my favorite sources for learning about his personal life. I can't find my copy of his mother's diary for the life of me right now (dammit!), so the next best I can do without the book is source the Aerodrome forum, with one member saying: "his mother did note in his diary, after the whole "marriage" incident (a mistake the newspapers made), that richthofen did love somebody and wanted to marry her after the war, but his death prevented it. there was no name or anything."
Evidence for a possible marriage plan (or love interest) also can be suggested from his polite behavior towards woman ("Hauptmann Erich von Salzmann, saw him numerous times at his home in Berlin. He observed that Manfred had flawless manners but he was not a ladies man." [x]). However, this could just as easily indicate he was solely dedicated to the war effort and did not have time for any women (or did not want to "widow" anyone should he die). His personality would certainly suggest that.
Apparently the aeronautical history periodical "Over the Front" did a piece on Manfred's love life once, but I don't know what issue. I'm getting this information from this entry on the Aerodrome forum. This entry summarizes the article fairly well though (as far as I know). It draws evidence from the nature of Lothar's (first) marriage, which was arraigned and with a noblewoman. Manfred, being the eldest son, would certainly be expected to uphold similar standards.
The summary of the article also brings up the sketchy testimony of an Austrian girl's family, that was given long after the war, and which the Richthofen family has not recognized as legitimate.
tl;dr I doubt he had time for a love interest during the war though, nor do most people I've read talk about the subject. However, it is possible he had plans for a (possibly arranged) marriage should he survive the war.
(for more, here is the post on the subject I've been mostly referencing.)
#Manfred von Richthofen#personal life#red baron#I can't believe I can't find that book god dammit#this turned out way longer than I expected#I'm usually not an expert on people's love lives#Anonymous
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Flugzeugkennung C.II. In the cockpit, pilots Ihns and Lütjens, and in front from left to right: Döge (?), Freund, Fromm, Christlieb (?), Weth, und Frei.
From the estate of pilot B. Alberti, who served with [the following is a rough translation, as the wording is confusing to me] the Flieger Ersatz Abteilung "Schneidemühl" [grinding mill?] and Schwerin/Görries aviator observers school.
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Foto Nach dem Dienst Flugplatz Jüterbog, Flieger Offiziere machen Pause, WKI. (Basically: ["German officers take a break after their work/duty.']
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Ernst Udet in Aquarellfarben und Tusche über Bleistift auf einheitlichem Papierformat (37 x 50 cm) angefertigt.
[The following] 32 drawings of aircraft, dating from 1915 - 1941 were made by Ernst Udet in watercolour and drawing ink over pencil on identically sized sheets of paper (37 x 50 cm). Very detailed studies in profile with inscriptions and short notes in block letters handwritten by Udet with the typical spelling mistakes known from his other handwritten documents. The (slightly foxed) paper and colours are more or less identical, suggesting that the fair drawings were made around 1940/41. He signed and dated them after original sketches he largely made during the First World War. The crop marks on each drawing indicate that the drawings were intended for a book project on the development of aeronautics which Udet had in mind, but were not realised due to his suicide in November 1941.
Udet´s drawing skills are well known from numerous small sketches and caricatures, especially famous are his extremely rare illustrations of captured allied aircraft re-lacquered in German colours - only a few were captured and re-used, and practically none of them survived the First World War - which could only have been observed and documented by experienced front pilots such as Udet. With a comprehensive expert opinion.
Ernst Udet (1896 - 1941), second most successful fighter pilot of the first World War with 62 confirmed victories, was requested by Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen for the Jasta 11 in March 1918, he received the Pour le Mérite in April 1918 and took over the command of Jasta 4 after Richthofen was killed in action. After the First World War he took up work as an aircraft constructor, actor, and pilot for stunts, shows and advertisements. His close relationship to Göring opened up his career path in the Luftwaffe in 1935, which came to an end on 17.11.1941. At the time of his suicide he was a Director General of Equipment in the rank of a Colonel General.
Ernst Udet - eleven [twelve?] drawings of German military aircraft of the 1st World War
Lohner C.I. Bomber of the Austro-Hungarian Flying Corps.
Albatros B.II. of the Imperial German Flying Corps 1916.
Albatros D.III. of the Imperial German Flying Corps.
Albatros D.V. of the Imperial German Flying Corps 1918.
Fokker D.R.I Albatros B.II. of the Imperial German Flying Corps.
O.A.W.R.VI. bomber of the Imperial German Flying Corps 1918 (Zeppelin Staaken R.VI. built by the OAW/East German Albatros Plant).
Junkers J.I. of the Imperial German Flying Corps.
Hannover C.L.III.a. of the Imperial German Flying Corps 1918.
Rumpler C.I. bomber of the Imperial German Flying Corps 1915.
Nieuport 17.C.I. Fighter of the Aviation Militaire Francaise, additional inscription "captured, modified and flown by the Imperial German Flying Corps 1918".
Camel F.I. of the British Flying Corps 1917, additional inscription "captured, modified and flown by the Imperial German Flying Corps 1917".
Spad XIII of the American Expeditionary Forces 1918, additional inscription "captured, modified and flown by the Imperial German Flying Corps 1918".
#WWI#WWI Aviation#aircraft#WWI aircraft#Ernst Udet#Illustration#it said eleven drawings but lists twelve of them though there are eleven shown in the listing so I am confused#oh well
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First, I love your blog. My family have always aviation enthusiasts, my grandfather being a pilot instructor in WWII. I, more than anyone in my family, am a huge fan of WWI aviation and of course the pilots themselves and being partly of German decent more so of Germany's flying men. I do greatly appreciate you not only sharing all of this, but doing the "foot work" of finding it. Second, and please take no offense, but, are you a girl? Is der Rote Kampffleiger truly le Petit Rouge? :-)
First of all, I'm so sorry for not replying until now. I know you sent this about a million years ago, and probably have since forgotten about it. uughhsdfladsj I'm very sorry.
Thank you! I have a lot of fun *cough*nerd*cough* searching for and collecting rare photographs, and showing off my finds. I'm actually the only one in my family interested in WWI aviation, or even military history in general, ha.
Yes it's true, I am le Petit Rouge. My notorious girly figure haunts the French mind. :)
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That is not the right e-mail address, it's [email protected] (without the "a" at the end). oh god I gave him the wrong address which explains why I never got anything and now he probably think I never responded and am in fact very rude and ungrateful and now I'm spiraling in shame oh goddd
Hi, Interesting photo's as I have originals on perhaps 80% of what you show. Overall a pretty good showing. If you are looking for some Werner Voss or Kurt Wolff original photo's that you have not displayed - drop me a line and I will see what I can do. Also I am the author of "Lieutenant der Reserve Werner Voss and the Pilots of Jasta 10 and am soon to publish 'Thirty-Three Victories and Counting' The life and times of Kurt Wolff in the next couple of months. Ta Ta -Thomas Crean
WOW! I’m honored to meet you! Your book has been in my Amazon wishlist for ages (I’m a poor college graduate recently out of a job, so I can’t afford it just yet…). I would love to see new photos of both or either Werner Voss or Kurt Wolff. My email is [email protected]. And of course, I wouldn’t share anything with anyone else without your permission. I look forward to saving up for your new book! - Sophia
#also no one reblog this because I don't want an e-mail of mine to be circulated outside of my control#even if it has a pseudonym
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Sorry for my lack of posts here recently. The blog is not dead, I'm still here -- just taking a short break.
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eBay Description: "GERMAN WWI WW1 NO SANKE POSTCARD PC RED BARON RICHTHOFEN & TEAM AVIATOR FIGHTER"
I don't know this photo (most Sanke cards are well published, as far as I know), I don't recognize any of the pilots, and the only thing that resembles Richthofen about the man in the middle as far as I can tell is the jacket and cap. Still, it's possible this is a photo of Richthofen.
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The translation of Cavalry Captain is actually correct... at least an equivalent rank. There were a number of ways to denote someone as a Captain in the various German military arms of the time. In the regular army there was: Captain = Hauptmann, in the Navy: Kapitan, Cavalry = Rittmeister
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There is always more to the story than the "official" version. Glimpses can be seen in Monkhouse's book, "Racing with Mercedes-Benz". He describes a dinner with Herr Popp of BMW, and Ernst Udet. Herr Popp, at Udet's request, sent the rest of the family and servants away. Udet then led them through the house to "debug" it to make sure the house was clean. This was 1939. Udet told them what was going on and how crazy Hitler was. He also told Monkhouse what escape route to take to leave Germany.
Interesting! Though I'm not sure what post you are referring to, so I'm not sure which "official" version you mean.
I know very well the official version of any story is almost always oversimplified. It makes studying history both more interesting than it seems, and more frustrating.
#Ernst Udet#correction#again not technically a correction but it's my tag#Third Reich#Mercedes-Benz#BMW#George Monkhouse#Franz Josef Popp#I think#Anonymous
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Bohme is a common German name. Eduard Bohme was a different flier than Erwin Bohme. Eduard Bohme was a Bavarian who flew with FeldFlieger Abteilung 9b and downed 2-3 planes before a fatal crash. There is a lot written about him. Do you subscribe to Over The Front? There are a lot of article about either man. Contact me if you want to know more...
I remember that post. I tried to find reference to an Eduard Bohme, but couldn't find one. I probably just didn't have the right search terms, or I gave up too soon haha. I don't subscribe to Over the Front, no. I'll consider it.
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