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Idk cause I thought the senti recorded their play or something cause then why would it need to show Felix and Kagami in their weird costumes instead of just showing Emilie, Amelie, Colt, Gabriel and Felix's grandparents directly in it, like Felix clearly knows how all of these people look like so it shouldn't be hard to recreate them if the senti was only supposed to play up his memories.

And tbh I actually do think this was Kagami's worst offense overall. Cause at least when Lila was turning her against Marinette she was put under great mental duress by Lila's psychological manipulation and then further taken advantage of by Akumas, so these instances could be excused as her judgement being clearly weakened by outside factors. But as far as it was shown she wasn't under any mental duress or manipulation when she exposed Ladybug's identity to Felix, so her doing this of clear mind does make it look much worse in my book.

I’ve never fully put together how WILD it is that a big portion of the fandom just give Kagami a free pass for exposing LADYBUG, THE LITERAL GUARDIAN’S identity to That Guy That Stole All Of The Miraculous Directly From Her. You know, the same guy that Is The Reason Monarch Exists. but she’s Best Girl so *looks away and pretends not to notice*

Meanwhile some still rip Nino to SHREDS for exposing Rena and Carapace’s identity to Adrien, when at this point both of them were temporary superheroes that… didn’t have their miraculous on them all the time. AKA NOT an active danger to tell one (1) person you deeply trust because he’s your best friend.

Like yeah duh Nino still did a stupid thing but Kagami. Kagami fully put Marinette in extreme, direct danger. Just because he’s making out with you girl doesn’t mean he’s can’t possibly be a double agent playing a long game and using you as a pawn to get closer to Marinette….

S5 Kagami isn’t real, she’s just a senti made to replace the real Kagome who ran away with her secret girlfriend

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But Kagami was part of Felix's play where he outright admitted that he gave all the other Miraculous to Gabriel in exchange for the Peacock one so she can't possibly not know about that. And Kagami already personally witnessed Felix committing magical mass murder (including to her mom), stalking and kidnapping, like bruh just how many red flags does that girl need to be hit with in the face before she finally catches the damn hint ?

I’ve never fully put together how WILD it is that a big portion of the fandom just give Kagami a free pass for exposing LADYBUG, THE LITERAL GUARDIAN’S identity to That Guy That Stole All Of The Miraculous Directly From Her. You know, the same guy that Is The Reason Monarch Exists. but she’s Best Girl so *looks away and pretends not to notice*

Meanwhile some still rip Nino to SHREDS for exposing Rena and Carapace’s identity to Adrien, when at this point both of them were temporary superheroes that… didn’t have their miraculous on them all the time. AKA NOT an active danger to tell one (1) person you deeply trust because he’s your best friend.

Like yeah duh Nino still did a stupid thing but Kagami. Kagami fully put Marinette in extreme, direct danger. Just because he’s making out with you girl doesn’t mean he’s can’t possibly be a double agent playing a long game and using you as a pawn to get closer to Marinette….

S5 Kagami isn’t real, she’s just a senti made to replace the real Kagome who ran away with her secret girlfriend

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Heather was literally 16 in TDI lmao. If that's a grown ass adult to you than Chloe's just 2 years away from being a grown ass adult too lol.

ROUND ONE - Chloe Bourgeois (Miraculous Ladybug) VS Heather (Total Drama)

!!! PROPAGANDA BELOW !!!

CHLOE: "She bullies pretty much everyone all the time, except the boy she has a crush on. She treats her bff like a damn secretary. She seems like she might be changing for the better when she gets a miraculous herself, but when she finds out she can't be Queen Bee anymore because her identity is public, she immediately betrays the heroes she supposedly idolizes. People get turned into villains by the Big Bad when they are extremely upset, and I'm pretty sure she's responsible for like half the cases of people being "akumatized" as it's called."

HEATHER: "- Read a girl's diary on television - Pulled a girl's shorts off on television - Kissed the guy another girl liked purely to make her sad - Convinced a guy that the girl he liked talked shit about him behind his back purely to make him sad There's plenty more but my brain no thinky rn"

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Everyone knows that his hero persona's built on lies and yet the writers still convinced themselves that Gabriel is one of Paris' heroes and Marinette somehow won in the S5 finale in their interview lmao.

Istg I am so over all these brain dead salters screeching over marinette’s trauma but bend over backwards to defend chloe.

Like can we get a breakdown of Chloe being as awful in season one as she was in 5?

"brain dead salters" is indeed a fitting description for those Chloé defenders who screech over Marinette's trauma

It's like many people love to invalidate the bullied protagonist feelings, and put the feelings of their bully antagonist above theirs just because one has an abusive parent and the other not.

If Chloé, a character who willingly hurt many people who never did anything to her and take sadistic pleasure at seeing others suffer can have her behavior justified by the fans because of the form of abuse she went through, why not Marinette (Bullying and harassment is also a form of abuse, and it's a fact that Marinette was severely bullied and abused by Chloé for years before she grew a backbone) ? Marinette who proved more than once that she is a guenuinly good person

It's sickening how many people seem to like finding excuses for bullies and abusive persons while they'll always blame the victims for trying to fight back and for having their behavior affected by this bullyin and abuse. Sure Marinette's cringy behavior was wrong but she has often been called out by Tikki for it, and in season 5 Marinette activelly tried to make efforst to correct her most problematic obsessive behavior reguarding Adrien, and she mostly succeeded.

Have Chloé ever tried to become better and fix her own flaws since the end of season 3 ? Short answer : NO

Although I already hear Chloé's defenders saying that she is also a victim of abuse from her own mother, there's a big difference between Audrey's neglect and uncaring actions and Chloé's cruelty and dedication at making Marinette's life hellish. And although her mother was absent from her life, Chloé still had her father. Granted spoiling your child is no way good parenting, but for Andrey it was a manner to express how much he loves his daugther, until he finds himself overwhelmed by his daughter's wickedness, a wickedness to which he unwittingly contributed by giving Chloe access to so many powers that allowed her to hurt others and escape the consequences of her actions for a long time.

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Actually I haven't even said that Chloe should've been given a real redemption so don't twist my words now, my point was that they should've given the adult villain and the adult who enabled all her bad behavior a similar treatment and then I would've been fine with it cause at least there wouldn't been any double standards between Chloe's treatment and the treatment of the other villains, they could've even redeem Felix over Chloe if they wrote it much better but the way they did it is a huge double standard cause Felix's redemption in S5 is literally even worse than Chloe's fake out redemption in S2 (and if Felix ends up backstabbing the heroes in S6+ then I'd still hate it cause it'd be embarrassing to have your protagonist be betrayed by an antagonist she tried to redeem for the third time in a row, like seriously, it just makes her look dumb for still trying to redeem them and makes the lesson to give a second chance to bad people completely worthless).

Also they should've her given another punishment than being disowned by her father and being left at her vile mother's mercy, like I myself had annoying high school bullies but I still wouldn't have wished these fates on them (and I'm pretty sure Marinette wouldn't have either on Chloe). If Audrey dumps her at a boarding school she's probably just gonna start bullying other people, so the problem Chloe represented wouldn't even been resolved, it'd just be moved elsewhere.

Istg I am so over all these brain dead salters screeching over marinette’s trauma but bend over backwards to defend chloe.

Like can we get a breakdown of Chloe being as awful in season one as she was in 5?

"brain dead salters" is indeed a fitting description for those Chloé defenders who screech over Marinette's trauma

It's like many people love to invalidate the bullied protagonist feelings, and put the feelings of their bully antagonist above theirs just because one has an abusive parent and the other not.

If Chloé, a character who willingly hurt many people who never did anything to her and take sadistic pleasure at seeing others suffer can have her behavior justified by the fans because of the form of abuse she went through, why not Marinette (Bullying and harassment is also a form of abuse, and it's a fact that Marinette was severely bullied and abused by Chloé for years before she grew a backbone) ? Marinette who proved more than once that she is a guenuinly good person

It's sickening how many people seem to like finding excuses for bullies and abusive persons while they'll always blame the victims for trying to fight back and for having their behavior affected by this bullyin and abuse. Sure Marinette's cringy behavior was wrong but she has often been called out by Tikki for it, and in season 5 Marinette activelly tried to make efforst to correct her most problematic obsessive behavior reguarding Adrien, and she mostly succeeded.

Have Chloé ever tried to become better and fix her own flaws since the end of season 3 ? Short answer : NO

Although I already hear Chloé's defenders saying that she is also a victim of abuse from her own mother, there's a big difference between Audrey's neglect and uncaring actions and Chloé's cruelty and dedication at making Marinette's life hellish. And although her mother was absent from her life, Chloé still had her father. Granted spoiling your child is no way good parenting, but for Andrey it was a manner to express how much he loves his daugther, until he finds himself overwhelmed by his daughter's wickedness, a wickedness to which he unwittingly contributed by giving Chloe access to so many powers that allowed her to hurt others and escape the consequences of her actions for a long time.

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Well my point was purely about Chloe never apologizing, which was wrong as I've said. Also wow you're really gonna act like Andre was Chloe's victim, the same Andre who enabled all of her bullying, enabled her entitlement, committed countless of illegal acts on her behalf and even outright taught her you should sabotage your rivals in order to exterminate them (as Chloe herself said multiple times) and also the same Andre who afterwards disowned her with no seconds thoughts and left her to her vile mom cause he couldn't be bothered to deal with the monster he helped create. Next time you defend this trashy excuse of a father remember that he's literally the main reason Chloe was able to put Marinette through the hell she did in the Derision flashback, if he allowed the school to punish her and also he disciplined his own daughter as well Marinette's trauma from Derision would've probably been avoided altogether.

Also the ml writers outright stated in an interview that Gabriel's supposed to be seen as one of the show's heroes by the end of S5 so I wouldn't say that thing about him not being redeemed with my whole chest. And even if he indeed wasn't redeemed well guess what, they still allowed him to ultimately defeat Marinette, get his Wish and chose the fate he wanted for himself, so he was still allowed to triumph over one of his victims in order to get his way and yet you're out here ranting about Chloe to whom the writers made sure to destroy her as much as possible unlike literally all of the other villains from this show.

Istg I am so over all these brain dead salters screeching over marinette’s trauma but bend over backwards to defend chloe.

Like can we get a breakdown of Chloe being as awful in season one as she was in 5?

"brain dead salters" is indeed a fitting description for those Chloé defenders who screech over Marinette's trauma

It's like many people love to invalidate the bullied protagonist feelings, and put the feelings of their bully antagonist above theirs just because one has an abusive parent and the other not.

If Chloé, a character who willingly hurt many people who never did anything to her and take sadistic pleasure at seeing others suffer can have her behavior justified by the fans because of the form of abuse she went through, why not Marinette (Bullying and harassment is also a form of abuse, and it's a fact that Marinette was severely bullied and abused by Chloé for years before she grew a backbone) ? Marinette who proved more than once that she is a guenuinly good person

It's sickening how many people seem to like finding excuses for bullies and abusive persons while they'll always blame the victims for trying to fight back and for having their behavior affected by this bullyin and abuse. Sure Marinette's cringy behavior was wrong but she has often been called out by Tikki for it, and in season 5 Marinette activelly tried to make efforst to correct her most problematic obsessive behavior reguarding Adrien, and she mostly succeeded.

Have Chloé ever tried to become better and fix her own flaws since the end of season 3 ? Short answer : NO

Although I already hear Chloé's defenders saying that she is also a victim of abuse from her own mother, there's a big difference between Audrey's neglect and uncaring actions and Chloé's cruelty and dedication at making Marinette's life hellish. And although her mother was absent from her life, Chloé still had her father. Granted spoiling your child is no way good parenting, but for Andrey it was a manner to express how much he loves his daugther, until he finds himself overwhelmed by his daughter's wickedness, a wickedness to which he unwittingly contributed by giving Chloe access to so many powers that allowed her to hurt others and escape the consequences of her actions for a long time.

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Chloe did apologize in a couple of instances for her bad behavior such as in Zombizou and Queen Wasp, so that's a lie. Yeah it ended up not mattering cause they made Chloe double down on her bad behavior afterwards but if you want to see what real characters that never apologized for any of their evil acts look like go take a look at Felix, Nathalie and Gabriel, all of whom the show ended up treating much better than they treated Chloe.

Istg I am so over all these brain dead salters screeching over marinette’s trauma but bend over backwards to defend chloe.

Like can we get a breakdown of Chloe being as awful in season one as she was in 5?

"brain dead salters" is indeed a fitting description for those Chloé defenders who screech over Marinette's trauma

It's like many people love to invalidate the bullied protagonist feelings, and put the feelings of their bully antagonist above theirs just because one has an abusive parent and the other not.

If Chloé, a character who willingly hurt many people who never did anything to her and take sadistic pleasure at seeing others suffer can have her behavior justified by the fans because of the form of abuse she went through, why not Marinette (Bullying and harassment is also a form of abuse, and it's a fact that Marinette was severely bullied and abused by Chloé for years before she grew a backbone) ? Marinette who proved more than once that she is a guenuinly good person

It's sickening how many people seem to like finding excuses for bullies and abusive persons while they'll always blame the victims for trying to fight back and for having their behavior affected by this bullyin and abuse. Sure Marinette's cringy behavior was wrong but she has often been called out by Tikki for it, and in season 5 Marinette activelly tried to make efforst to correct her most problematic obsessive behavior reguarding Adrien, and she mostly succeeded.

Have Chloé ever tried to become better and fix her own flaws since the end of season 3 ? Short answer : NO

Although I already hear Chloé's defenders saying that she is also a victim of abuse from her own mother, there's a big difference between Audrey's neglect and uncaring actions and Chloé's cruelty and dedication at making Marinette's life hellish. And although her mother was absent from her life, Chloé still had her father. Granted spoiling your child is no way good parenting, but for Andrey it was a manner to express how much he loves his daugther, until he finds himself overwhelmed by his daughter's wickedness, a wickedness to which he unwittingly contributed by giving Chloe access to so many powers that allowed her to hurt others and escape the consequences of her actions for a long time.

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Even though S7 is indeed crap as well, bullying someone out of a Discord server cause they pointed out that S6 has the same problems as this one except that it has better art is truly embarrassing behavior.

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I'm sorry but that's whack, I don't have a screenshot with me but I can confirm that when I ruffled his hair after we got married in the wedding reunion HE LIKED IT.

14&18!

YAYYYYY thanks beautiful!

My last two!

14. What's your favourite universally-accepted headcanon about a character?

Lucas not allowing anyone to touch his hair! It shocks me that that is FANON like hjsfsdbdskksksksks how many times has it been done????

Also that Oliver is hung like a horse. That's just fucking hilarious.

18. Your favourite fanwork about a canon moment?

Oh my God, there are far too many to choose. Some of my favourite fics are the ones that use a single, throwaway line of dialogue as their base.

A throwaway line about pirates creating a three-part novel. Oneshots about Gary and his nan being stuck up a tree or Bobby's band, God knows how many Band AUs there've been lol. Expanding on dates, Player villa fics, I literally don't have the energy to go through and name all of the moments of pure and utter magic that have been brought to life in fanfics based off one single moment of canon.

This fandom is amazing. Writers are amazing. Canon or completely AU, jesus christ i'm gonna miss these characters so much.

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Not having Raphne around on a straight non-Rafa route is really weird tbh.

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S2 has a lot of pluses over the other seasons, but the sex scenes aren't one of them. Regardless of how cringy you think the dialogue for the sex scenes are in these last couple of seasons, at least an attempt has been made, which is more than I can say about the S2 sex scenes.

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Imagine accusing someone of being toxic towards you just cause they showed some sympathy towards the female antagonist from your fic. Embarrassing.

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Colt and Tomoe could've still made a deal with the Supreme independent of Gabriel if they still part of the Elite in that world. It's actually likely for Tomoe and you probably don't need to squint that much to include Colt in it.

My big question right now is, is Reverse Adrien still a sentikid?

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Yeah, you missed “If you break up with a boy and you still love him, it’s perfectly ok to date his identical looking cousin in order to get over him.”

Lessons Miraculous Ladybug Taught Me:

It's okay to stalk someone or be creepy around them as long as you're female and have trauma to excuse it.

If you hit on someone and they tell you no multiple times, keep hitting on them regardless! Eventually, they'll come around to you.

White blonde rich girls are always racist, even if they say something out of ignorance. Oh, and if one of their supporters is an implied racist themselves, that confirms that they're indeed a racist. (Despite the fact that you can't control your followers/supporters)

It's okay to cheat on your spouse and have a child from that affair. Especially if you were in a different city and you never once brought up said child.

Grown men that abuse or neglect their kids? You can easily forgive them! 14 year old girl that's an asshole for being a brat and having mommy issues? Worse than Putin/Satan/Hitler/Stalin!

If you're a sentimonster, commit genocide and stalk a girl all you want! You'll redeem no matter what! Oh and bonus points if you were abused as a child as well.

It's never the parents' fault if their kid grows up with entitlement issues.

Plus, if your kid is a spoiled brat, don't realize that you were the problem, force them to live with their abusive relative! That will show them!

Lying to your parents to stalk a boy in a different country is a-okay as long as you tell them it's for your family roots.

Trauma excuses males and nice people only. Never females; well only the nice girls are excused.

Always believe a girl you just met not even a day ago over your best friend that you know longer than life itself.

If you're in a toxic friendship, don't stand up to yourself or leave them to realize that they were a shitty person! Wait until they replace you with someone else to do it!

Teachers suck when it comes to handling bullies. Instead, they'll victim blame you and expect you to do their job for them.

It's okay to pull a traumatic prank on a girl who is in love with you. You'll eventually get a girlfriend.

And when you do get a girlfriend, tell her that some other girl is prettier than her in front of her own face.

Rich White Boy wanting to kiss a POC girl without her will and her POC best friend is holding her hands to let this happen? What a great comedy!

A girl's trauma is hilarious until her bully was the cause of it to begin with.

Rich white men are much redeemable and easier to forgive than rich white women.

Your friend is acting creepy and stalkerish towards their crush? Help them explore that behavior even more!

Strangled by the Red String is always the Number One ship no matter what.

The creator making a self insert of himself just to stroke his ego for pity points is a good idea.

It's okay to leave your twin sister (we retconed this moment because what we gonna go about it) and your mom alone and go travel with your father who abandon you and your sibling in the childhood.

You want to murder a bunch of people based on race? That's fine! At least you're not bullying someone!

And if you find a girl who happens to be in your race, who changes your mind on genocide? Wonderful! That totally makes up for attempting to kill people!

Terrorizing people and abusing your family is fine as long as you love someone!

If you've hurt a bunch of people, that's fine because you can just reverse it all, and it'd be as though nothing happened!

Tell me if I'm missing something. ^_^

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But Chloe was literally the first one to do it in Miraculer lmao.

I'm not mad about it but it kind of feels like everyone and their mother can resist akumatizations now

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That’s why you shouldn’t act so arrogant about things you have no idea whether they’d happen or not smh.

Why Lukloé won't happen, but Lukagami will

See the article with all pictures in: https://www.deviantart.com/beckygwen102/journal/Why-Lukloe-won-t-happen-but-Lukagami-will-907480581

          In the Audiovisual and Broadcasting college, I learned that every series has indications about what will happen in the end. Although there are some changes in the production course, the story’s line of reasoning remains the same. In Miraculous Ladybug, this is no different, and several signs even indicate who the characters will stay with at the end of the story.

          Some of these signs indicate that Luka and Kagami are going to be a couple. However, some fans insist that Luka should stay with either Chloe or Zoe, even if their claims are based more on personal opinions than on facts. In this post, I’ll show you why Luka will stay with Kagami, not with Chloe or Zoe.

1-    Why Luka will stay with Kagami

Visual signs

          Characters are very well planned before their debuts. Their appearances and personalities are described in the series bible, so the writers know how to write the stories. In Miraculous Ladybug, they took great care to make Marinette and Adrien wear clothes of opposite colors. Then, when the negative filter is applied, Adrien’s colors are the same as Marinette’s regular version and vice versa. And the same goes for Luka and Kagami.

Credits to Miraculous Wikia Forum.

          Notice that Luka and Marinette wear white shirts, while Adrien and Kagami wear black shirts. At the same time, Luka and Marinette wear props on their ears (Luka wears earplugs and Marinette wears earrings), while Adrien and Kagami wear rings. Considering the plot, we realized that the series intention is to show that Luka and Kagami seemed to be the pairs of Marinette and Adrien. Still, a couple is formed by two people who complete themselves, not necessarily equal. It has to do with the series philosophical basis, based on Chinese philosophy and its elements, such as yin-yang. No wonder Ladybug and Cat Noir represent it in the Miracle box. And speaking about it, it is one more sign that both Adrien and Marinette and Luka and Kagami will be together.

Credits to Chicoriii’s text.

The Miracle Box

          The Miracle box is divided into three groups related to Chinese philosophy:

The yin-yang

The five elements of nature

The twelve signs of the Chinese zodiac

          Chinese philosophy states that there must always be a balance between the forces of nature (the perfect balance is represented by yin-yang). Master Fu even explained it in “Robustus.” Then, the miraculouses of each group are ordered in the box in a way that

          Let’s start with the Chinese zodiac miraculouses. We have mouse, ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, goat, monkey, rooster, dog, and pig. And we know which characters are their wielders: Mylene, Ivan, Juleka, Alix, Kagami, Luka, Max, Nathaniel, Kim, Marc, Sabrina, and Rose. From there, we can realize that we have an even number of miraculouses/wielders, so to maintain balance, they form duos or couples. To focus on couples later, let’s start with the duos, that is, characters within this group who don’t make a couple but have one thing in common.

          The first duo is Kim (monkey) and Sabrina (dog): Kim was in love with Chloe but is now Ondine’s boyfriend; Sabrina idolizes Chloe and has a brief romance with an American boy in “Miraculous New York.” Although Kim and Sabrina are not a couple, they form a duo: they are two Chinese zodiac miraculous wielders who have a non-miraculous wielder love interest. The second duo is Max (horse) and Alix (rabbit). Thomas Astruc has already confirmed that Max is asexual and that Alix is aromantic. Therefore, we have one more duo: Chinese zodiac miraculous wielders without a love development in the series.

          There are leftover Mylene (mouse), Ivan (ox), Juleka (tiger), Kagami (dragon), Luka (snake), Nathaniel (goat), Marc (rooster), and Rose (pig). Among this group, we have some confirmed couples: Mylene/Ivan, Juleka/Rose, and Marc/Nathaniel. Who are the only ones left? Luka and Kagami.

          In addition, the signs of the Chinese zodiac are divided into the yin and yang polarities. Thomas Astruc likes to work with this concept, and we notice it in some couples. Ladybug and Cat Noir are the very representation of yin-yang. Mylene has the mouse miraculous, of yang polarity, and Ivan has the ox miraculous, of yin polarity. The same goes for Juleka (tiger, yang) and Rose (pig, yin). Who else has a miraculous with a yin sign and a yang sign? Luka (snake, yin) and Kagami (dragon, yang). Moreover, according to Chinese philosophy, the most promising union is between a snake man and a dragon woman. It is no coincidence that Ladybug and Cat Noir used the dragon and the snake miraculous for season three’s final battle (“Miracle Queen”). Who is the man who uses the snake miraculous? Luka. Who is the woman who uses the dragon miraculous? Kagami.

Other signs

          The characters’ names in a story are never chosen by chance. There’s always a reference or meaning behind it. Marinette, for example, is the diminutive of Marie, the French name of the Virgin Mary, Our Lady. The name of the insect ladybug was created as a reference to her. Therefore, the ladybug-themed heroine is named after Our Lady. Besides being a male form of Gabrielle (Chanel’s first name, then a good one for a stylist), Gabriel is an angel name. The contradiction between Gabriel being an angel name and the character being extremely evil is reflected in Gabriel Agreste himself, who pretends to be correct for others but secretly is the greatest villain in Paris. We can also note this issue of the names in Lukagami.

          The name Luka means “light” in Latin, while Kagami means “mirror” in Japanese.  A mirror can only work with light. The last syllable of the name Luka is the first of the name Kagami. You don’t have to take anything out of their names to form the couple’s name. It indicates that Luka and Kagami fit perfectly into each other. In addition, one of Luka’s akumatized forms is named Truth, and one of Kagami’s is called Lies, indicating how they complete each other.

          In addition, there are some other details, which work with similarities and complementation between the two. Both Luka and Kagami were raised by their mothers (Anarka is a single mother, and I believe Tomoe is a widow). Both mothers are inserted in their children’s themes (Anarka is a rocker like Luka, Tomoe is a fencer like Kagami). Both mothers were akumatized with vehicles (Anarka was akumatized with her boat in “Captain Hardrock,” Tomoe was akumatized with her car in “Ikari Gozen”). Luka is poor and was raised free, while Kagami is rich and was raised stuck. That complementation - which is also observed in Marinette (poor, free) and Adrien (rich, stuck) - is one of the signs that Luka and Kagami need from each other.

          Kagami has already mentioned in “Riposte” and “Desperada” that she - and her family - don’t believe in second chances. Luka’s power as Viperion is called “Second Chance.” Despite being cheated on in “Truth” (in which he says he already knows that Marinette loves Adrien) and having discovered in “Wishmaker” that Marinette and Adrien are destined, Luka still loves Marinette and even says so in “Ephemeral.” Kagami says in “Frozer” that the biggest mistake a fencer can make isn’t choosing the wrong technique; it’s choosing the wrong target. Although in that context, she was indicating to Adrien that he should start focusing on her instead of the girl he liked, we realized with the advancement of the story that it is Luka who needs to “change targets.” By nurturing that sickly love for Marinette, Luka only harms himself, for he condemns himself to love a woman who will never love him (as Marinette herself said in “Crocoduel”). Then, Luka and Kagami can help each other. Luka can teach Kagami that second chances do exist (and she must believe after what happened to her feelings in “Lies”) and may even face Tomoe to save Kagami from that trapped life (as Marinette herself faced Gabriel in “Miraculous New York”). Kagami can teach Luka to give himself more value and change his target to someone who wants him. From their experience when Marinette and Adrien cheated on them, it is clear that Luka and Kagami would not cheat on each other. On the contrary, they would be a couple who help each other and complement each other, such as Adrien/Cat Noir and Marinette/Ladybug.

          Another point that unites Luka and Kagami is their ties with arts. Luka has a strong bond to music, as shown in episodes like “Captain Hardrock,” “Frozer,” “Silencer,” “Desperada,” “Truth,” and “Wishmaker.” He expresses himself poetically using references to music, as seen in “Silencer” and “Wishmaker.” Kagami has a similar bond to drawing, shown in “Lies.” Just as Luka finds the melody “sincere” in “Silencer,” Kagami sees sincerity in the art of drawing in “Lies.” When she helps Marinette find a way to declare her feelings to Adrien in “Glaciator 2,” she also expresses herself poetically while describing the seduction from what she learned in a manga (a literary genre that unites text and drawing). Music, drawing, and literature are art forms, and Luka and Kagami know the essenceof these genres.

          Therefore, those who dismiss Lukagami as something “cliché” just because the couple is formed by the protagonists’ ex-boyfriend and girlfriend are taking a very shallow view of the matter. Both characters were carefully created and developed to complete each other and stay together. Seeing only the interaction between the characters, Nino and Alya could also be considered a “cliché” couple, as there are a lot of stories including a couple formed by the protagonists’ best friends (e.g., High School Musical). Likewise, many works show a mean character being redeemed after starting a relationship with a good one (e.g., Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and Inuyasha). Therefore, Lukloe could also be considered a “cliché.” Thomas Astruc confirmed that Luka will not stay with Chloe, and the following reasons explain why.

2-    Why Luka won’t stay with Chloe or Zoe

          Although Chloe and Luka are opposite (Chloe representing evil and Luka representing good), their opposition is not the kind that would form a couple in Miraculous Ladybug’s context and philosophy. To better understand why, one must return to the Miracle box, explaining why he can’t stay with her, nor with Zoe.

The Miracle Box

          As explained earlier, the miraculouses are divided into three groups in the box: the yin-yang, the five elements of nature, and the Chinese zodiac signs. In addition, we have seen that the Chinese zodiac miraculouses are in even numbers, and their wielders form duos or couples to maintain the balance defended in Chinese philosophy. But to understand the part of Chloe and Zoe, it is necessary to explain the other box’s groups.

          The box’s middle part has five miraculouses: fox, bee, turtle, peacock, and butterfly. They represent the five elements of nature: fire, wood, earth, water, and metal. Notice that five is an odd number, different from the even number of Chinese zodiac signs. Within the element miraculous wielders, we have a couple - Alya (fox) and Nino (turtle) - and a duo: Gabriel (butterfly) and Nathalie (peacock), the villains. At the story’s beginning, Gabriel and Emilie (peacock) also formed a couple of miraculous wielders within the group, maintaining balance.

          Then we realize there’s no way for Luka to be with Zoe or Chloe. Their miraculouses are of different groups (Luka’s is of the zodiac and Zoe’s and Chloe’s is of the elements). Miraculous wielders stay with someone of the same group (e.g., Marinette/Adrien (yin-yang), Alya/Nino (elements), and Mylene/Ivan (zodiac)). Or, at least, with someone without miraculous, with another wielder also dating someone without miraculous to balance (Kim and Sabrina). A wielder of a miraculous type cannot date a wielder of a different kind because it would not maintain the balance.

          The bee miraculous is left alone in its group because the number is odd. But to understand this part, one must first understand what happens to Chloe and Zoe.

Addendum (03/03/2022): The logic of the Miracle box applies to the official wielders (the temporary ones are excluded) who acquired their powers around the time of Marinette and Adrien (older wielders are excluded, such as those shown in the Miraculous spellbook, and Master Fu), as the series is focused on them. Remembering that not even 100 years have passed from the time when Gabriel and Emilie became wielders to when Adrien received his miraculous. Marinette, for example, was a temporary wielder of the mouse miraculous in “Kwamibuster” and is not Ivan’s girlfriend. Felix uses the dog miraculous in “Strike Back,” but Sabrina is the official wielder (and she is the one who forms the duo with Kim, as explained earlier). The temporary uses of the dragon and snake miraculouses by Marinette and Adrien were used in the text to demonstrate the Chinese philosophical view about the union between a dragon woman and a snake man.

2.1 Why Luka won't stay with Chloe

Chloe is evil (even if her fans deny it)

          Although her fans won’t admit it, Chloe is a character created to be evil. From the beginning of the story, she loves bullying her colleagues just for the sheer pleasure of watching them suffer. One example is in “Reflekta,” where Chloe orders Sabrina to trap Juleka in the bathroom so she cannot take the class photo. It leads Juleka to be akumatized. At no point did Chloe apologize to Juleka or any other colleague. The only exception was in “Zombizou,” where Chloe got right with Miss Bustier but did so only to consolidate her prestige with the teacher. Chloe would stop her deeds if she were indeed sorry. However, Chloe sees no reason to get right with her classmates (which she deems inferior), while as the teacher is an authority, it was in her interest to have a good image with her.

          We see in “Reflekdoll” and “Crocoduel” that Luka and Juleka are very attached, and we see in “Silencer” and “Truth” that Luka does not endure injustices and people who do evil to others. Would Luka fall in love with someone who does evil for pleasure and doesn’t regret her acts as Chloe? Not.  Especially since Chloe and Juleka are enemies, Luka would never like someone who does evil to his sister.

          Many claims that Luka could “change” Chloe to the good side. Well, for that to happen, Chloe must be open to change. Some believe that her experience as Queen Bee “proves” that she can be good. But in fact, Chloe just wanted to be Queen Bee to have as much fame as Ladybug and Cat Noir. Her performances as a heroine were not very notable, except in “Malediktator” and “Miraculer,” which involved people of her interests (her father and Sabrina). Chloe did not understand that when Ladybug did not choose her to help, it was not because Ladybug did not like her, but because that mission did not need the power to paralyze. She doesn’t understand that because she doesn’t seek fighting villains to help others but rather opportunities to show off.

          Chloe herself stated in “Heart Hunter” that she doesn’t love anyone. And that means she only sees people thinking about what each one can offer her. Her parents are her livelihood (since she doesn’t work yet), Sabrina is her minion (made clear in “Sole Crusher”), and Adrien is a trophy: the “best” girl (as she thinks about herself) “must have” the most handsome, popular, and desired boy from Paris. In sum, Chloe sees Adrien much like Gaston sees Belle in Beauty and the Beast.

Any resemblance is no mere coincidence.

          In “Miracle Queen,” Chloe despises Luka for wearing simple clothes. So, even if she finds him “cute” (which caused many to start to ship them instantly), she does not see him as a love interest because he is poor and would not offer her anything that would interest her. In “Sole Crusher,” Chloe orders Zoe to crush those inside the boat - including Luka - because, in her view, they are “losers.” Therefore, both Luka would not be interested in Chloe, and Chloe has no interest in Luka.

          About one of Gloob’s trailers had insinuated that Lukloe could happen (for she had called him “cute”), we need to remember an important detail: not all Gloob says is official. Sometimes the channel tries to mislead the fans, like when the narrator implied that Extraterrestrials would abduct Ladybug and Cat Noir in “Truth,” and when he suggested that Adrien would be jealous of Luka and Marinette in “Wishmaker.”

          Before someone says that Thomas Astruc has changed things before - like the age difference between Luka and Juleka - and could change the couples too, I need to explain something. Age differences are minimal details, so the production course indeed could change them. However, couples are a significant part of this story - and they follow a logic - so they are not subject to enormous changes.

Chloe will stay by herself

          Thomas Astruc has already said that Chloe will not be with anyone at the end of the series. And that’s the most significant proof that she won’t date Adrien or Luka or anyone. I realize that many of her fans wage real wars with Astruc, accusing him of “ruining the character’s development.” They can’t recognize that Chloe represents people who have the opportunity to change, but because they are selfish, they only think of themselves. She’s a villain, and in children’s cartoons, villains are punished. Astruc creates the story and the characters, and we have seen that his work follows logic. If Chloe’s fans don’t like how the character is going, stop watching the cartoon. For myself, when I saw that The Vampire Diaries and Supernatural were taking a way I didn’t like, I just stopped watching. I didn’t make this embarrassing role of arguing with the producers and creators.

It’s false that Thomas Astruc said that Chloé “is his favorite character” and that she “will stay with Luka.” If he “said” it, he was probably being ironic, and people didn’t understand.

For those who do not speak Spanish, there is the statement in English.

2.2 Why Luka won’t stay with Zoe

          Many began to shipp Luka and Zoe because of the ice cream Luka takes in “Miracle Queen” and “Truth.” The ice cream has a blue scoop (Zoe’s hat color) and a pink scoop (her hair bangs’ color). However, we have seen from the logic of the Miracle box that Luka and Zoe cannot be together. Besides, André’s ice cream doesn’t always really have the colors of the people portrayed.

          Indeed, in “Glaciator,” Marinette and Adrien’s ice creams refer to the colors of Adrien and Ladybug, respectively. However, in “Heart Hunter” and “Lies,” André represents Adrien and Kagami with peppermint and orange ice cream. We know from “Glaciator” that peppermint refers to Adrien’s green eyes, but Kagami has nothing that the orange color could represent. André usually describes Marinette with a blackberry ice cream (referencing her hair), but in both “Truth” and “Wishmaker,” he does not give her a blackberry ice cream. In the latter, she is represented with strawberry and cherry ice cream, and Luka with pistachio and pecan (while Luka has nothing green). The blue-pink ice cream means Lukanette, not Luka’s fate (remembering that Marinette’s pants are pink).

          Many also believed from the “Crocoduel” trailers that Luka would approach Zoe. However, throughout the episode, they barely interacted. Zoe has demonstrated that he sees Luka as a good friend, and he probably sees her the same way. It is certain that in “Desperada,” Kagami got on Luka’s boat as uninvited (because she was accompanying Adrien). Still, in “Truth” and “Lies,” we see that she was invited to watch the Kitty Section show on the boat. Even if it was only to see Adrien, if her presence was allowed, Luka considers her part of the group of friends. It’s impressive how the central “point” anti-Lukagami shippers have is that “Luka and Kagami don’t interact.” At the same time, they shipp Luka with Chloe (who despises him and doesn’t even know his name) or with Zoe (with whom he also has minimal interaction). Kagami at least knows Luka’s name, besides having all those elements already mentioned at the beginning of the text.

Zoe's fate

          In addition to shipp Luka with Zoe or with Chloe (based, as I proved, on opinions and misinterpretations, not on facts), the anti-Lukagami ones usually shipp Kagami with Felix. Perhaps this is one of the most random ships possible, as nothing links Kagami to Felix. Some claim that Kagami would be “rewarded” with another “Adrien” (because Felix and Adrien are identical), but in “Mr. Pigeon 72,” she has already shown that she wants nothing more to do with Adrien.

          Felix and Kagami were not even seen together before “Gabriel Agreste.” In “Felix,” Kagami is seen briefly in a video call, and it has not been shown whether she recorded any video supporting Adrien. Felix stood out in the episode for making a video posing as Adrien and mistreating his friends. From Nathalie’s speech, we realized that it was Lila who sent Felix’s video to Gabriel. Lila, like Kagami, was only seen on a board in the video call, having not made any video in support of Adrien. Soon, if Lila received Felix’s video, it is likely that Kagami also did, and upon learning of everything that happened, she was also angry with Felix. That’s why Kagami had an angry looking at Felix in “Gabriel Agreste.”

          If “interaction” is the reason why Lukagami has to be dismissed, then Lukloe, Lukzoe, and Feligami should also be. But if they want to get Felix a girlfriend so bad, there’s an indication that maybe Zoe is the perfect one for him.

          In their debuts, Felix and Zoe were considered “copies” of Adrien and Chloe, respectively. Felix passed himself off as Adrien in “Felix,” and Zoe’s akumatized form is identical to Chloe in “Sole Crusher.” I heard there is a possibility that Felix is not exactly evil but has to use unethical tactics to get his family’s rings. If so, he has something in common with Zoe, who had to pretend to be mean in “Sole Crusher” and “Gabriel Agreste” to please her family and fulfill a mission to help Marinette. Joining Zoe and Felix would not destroy the balance shown in the Miracle box, for her jewel is unmatched, and she would form a couple with someone who has no miraculous. Then, she would not “take” any miraculous from its group to create a couple with her. Of course, Zoe and Felix have not interacted so far, but the series is not over yet. There’s still plenty of time for them to interact. And better yet, there’s still plenty of time for Luka and Kagami to interact.

          Of course, it could have some changes. It could happen, for instance, that Luka and Kagami finish the series on their own, forming a duo of Chinese zodiac miraculous wielders who dated the yin-yang protagonists and were left alone. But I think that ending would be too sad for both of them. Luka and Kagami have shown that they have a lot of love to give, and they deserve a companion to dedicate that love to.

3-    Conclusion

          Miraculous Ladybug’s own audiovisual elements indicate that Luka will stay with Kagami. Cartoons and series are very well planned and their progress does not occur at random. Even if Chloe’s fans fight with Thomas Astruc, it’s his work, and it’s up to him how it ends. The fanfics are there to bring an “escapism” to fans who wanted things to be done differently. In them, fans can shape Miraculous Ladybug’s universe at will, but in the original series, Luka and Kagami will form one of the story’s most charming couples, along with Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Cat Noir.

As Master Fu would say, “they were meant for each other.” Art by CeewewFrost12.

Sources:

“Why Lukagami should happen and probably will” by Chicoriii;

“Luka y Kagami terminarán juntos y estos detalles lo confirman” by Nathaniel FD;

The knowledge that I acquired myself in college.

Text originally written on November 24th, 2021. Updated on March 3rd, 2022.

[danielmagnus2002]

,I felt like I was going insane working on one wip for a long time so random kwami swap courtesy of an anon that asked @gale-gentlepenguin a thing. Can you tell that Felix is my favourite lmao