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cuddletrain · 7 years ago

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Where your Furry Convention Badge Money Goes

Hi,

I am Praise the Sun and I want more accountability for furry conventions, who with over 5,000 visitors are claiming they’re in jeopardy because “ghosts” aren’t buying badges and they don’t have enough money to run the con or ghosts are stealing from their charity, etc. Doing some simple mind math, those statements just are obviously manipulative and come off as them wanting more money to go and party / play with.

Whenever someone apologizes for convention staff or comes to their defense, regardless of the accusation, it means that they’re attempting to shutter any attempt at accountability with those they trust with, as I will prove later, sometimes over half a million dollars in raw untaxed cash. You’ll hear arguments, “the con wouldn’t exist so who cares” and “they put their personal money into it” and quickly, with some simple math and publically available statistics simply not true.

First, let me make a quick aside:

You probably aren’t going to read this entire article and that��s fine; no blame is cast here. It’s a lot of words that aren’t interesting to disinterested parties and it’s likely much easier to throw your hands up and judge the article as anti-staff propaganda (which is fine, being anti-staff means that’s we’re pushing a discussion towards accountability). Let me summarize the point, then if you want to engage, feel free to do so.

Furry conventions are organizations that support the CEO/Chairman, their senior staff and their sycophants exclusively. The event itself is a side show to draw in large sums of untaxable money, which can then be leveraged for whatever the convention CEO/Chairman wants as long as they can justify a business expense, including parties, trips to other conventions, lavish dinners, expensive over-the-top technology for people to “play with,” televisions and other technology that can legally be stored (and used) in their own and more.

Convention expenses rapidly decrease with additional guests based on economies of scale. The more net profit the hotel makes, the less the con pays for the limited amount of meeting space. All the rest of the badge money, outside of the props and sundry expenses, goes for the fun and amusement of those who own the con.

If you’re curious how this works, read on:

The biggest misconception is how convention money is spent. It’s assumed that cons are expensive operations and that the more guests, the more money it obvious costs, but let’s take a moment and do some simple math. Let’s say our sample convention has 5,000 guests. What is their revenue?

Badges (~$60 each, so 5k attendees is ~$300k)

Con Store (all profits outside of any cash skimmed by volunteers/staff)

Booth Space in the Dealer’s Den (all profit)

Raffles, Auctions, Workshops, Exclusive Dances (proceeds often pledged to charity)

We can then talk a bit about that ~300k number. With 5k attendees, the minimum badge price is $60, take into account at the door registration costs more and there are several levels. We could I believe easily say that a con with 5k attendees has at least half a million coming in.

10% of 500,000 is 50,000

Interestingly enough that what one con with 5k attendees donated to their charity this year : )

So, where would the other $450,000 go each year? Well we can break it down by what we know the convention spends money on.

#1 - Hotel Deposit

The only thing that guarantees that the convention runs is the hotel, because the entire event takes place in rented space. The hotel deposit is their biggest “expense” although most if not all of it is refunded, since they never hit attrition since the room blocks sell out.

For the largest cons, we can assume that the deposit is a sacred amount of money that they hold securely year to year and don’t touch and has already been “earned.��

Hotels use the meeting room space as a loss leader for the hotel rooms. If you don’t hit attrition, you don’t pay any extra and the large conventions probably have far out grown large costs associated with the event in exchange.

There is a formula they use for rooms to attendees. It’s 1.1 attendees per room, so 5,500 attendees would see 5,000 rooms. Of course, this is Uncle Kage’s formula, so who knows how accurate it is (and if it’s the primary driver for these ghosting accusations).

Hotels working on economies of scale, the more guests, the more hotels filled, the more liquor sold, the more room service ordered, the cheaper your event becomes because the first few floors with meeting spaces are loss leaders for them filling a massive hotel full. If they fill their room block, they have no attrition and reach max discounts.

Year by year, the hotel gets cheaper for the convention to rent and the convention has a fixed need for meeting spaces. A bigger con rarely means they have more hotel costs.

#2 - Office Space / Cost of Doing Business

The next biggest must pay expense is the convention office, the lawyer that they have on retainer, the accountant and any utilities. This is a paltry sum, but do note that the office exists both as a storage facility and a party house for those who are close to the convention CEO/Chairman and the related senior staff.

That’s legal, by the way, the non-profit can do whatever it wants to do as long as there isn’t any shareholders or profit. It can use its office to throw parties for members of the organization as much as it wants to, including pay for food, snacks, party favors, reasonable gifts under a certain sum, etc.

Chairman has a “business meeting” with some of the staff? The convention just paid for the food.

To be fair, those who benefit are very, very, very few because obviously no one is going to pilfer con money for vague expenses in front of a large audience. That also means that the people who spend the money aren’t being respected, because they’re paying for the other’s privilege while being told ghosts are hurting them.

There are some sundry costs related to the free “anti-ghosting” fursuit mentioned which could easily probably pay for 60 badges (that’s 60 ghosts easily massaged away just not giving away the fursuit).

#2 - Office Supplies & Convention Equipment

Another legal thing they can do is buy equipment and tech for the convention, which can be used by the staff for whatever purposes they want to, as long as it’s somewhat reasonable to assume it has something to do with the organization’s charitable goals.

This is sort of fine, actually, a lot of the technology is used to teach others how to use it and a lot of is professional level equipment so it’s actual good experience for some folks, but it should be acknowledging that the driver of these purchases is the chairman and his senior staff. They get to decide what new toys the con buys. There is some positive benefit here for the community and volunteers, however, could they do the same with something cheaper?

Good example: The RFID badges at FWA. Someone wanted to play with that technology, so the convention footed the bill for it. Was it a net improvement, even on paper? No. Did a few people learn how to use the technology? Yes. Did it have a massive net new cost? Yes.

Why would a convention do that if, they’re unable to function if the ghosting continues?

Better yet, how much did these cost and who cares?

#3 - Props

Staff who go out and buy miscellaneous props and building materials for the convention submit receipts for reimbursement. This is a paltry sum of money spent, mostly for signage and various props. Think some 2x4s and cardboard cutouts.

This stuff tax is paid on, so the non-profit status isn’t really that interesting here outside of things the convention requisitions directly or has agreements with the staff can utilize.

#4 - Charity

Which we can assume is 10% of whatever they take in, a nice safe number that puts a convention outside of any audit risk, because if 10% of their profits

So, consider the following. The CEO/Chairman of the con gets access to the following: All of the slush money left over after the hotel deposit is paid and any hotel fees are assessed, plus legal, office and cost of business fees. Economies of scale means the larger the con gets, the less expensive some of these fees become and the more expensive others become.

What’s left over is used to buy things that you could argue are reasonable for the convention, but are massive boondoggles. Whatever gadgets, gizmos or new tech that those who are in good with the CEO/Chairman are immediately purchased (sound equipment far better than actual professional large EDM festivals, steady cam rigs, etc.). The CEO/Chairman’s home is listed as the office for the convention, so legally all of this can be stored in his home. Say a huge TV could just be stored on a table in his living room until it’s con time.

There is no accountability in how the money is spent. There is no blow by blow of where the funds go. We don’t hold anyone accountable to be responsible for the funds either.

The CEO/Chairman’s suite could be (and from what people have told me) is paid for by the convention, including the hotel catering.

An office/storage space is used for parties or whatever you wanted to. This is just true.

A budget that would cover travel expenses to other conventions for “business reasons”

Whatever else you wanted to do with a company that’s only obligation is to not make anyone money (but the CEO/chairman can take a salary, however, this often is avoided as it adds to the audit risk). I can add a ton of hypotheticals here, that I don’t know are true but they could be - we don’t know where the money goes and if for instance, instead of buying $5k something to “play with new tech” if something older would do the same function at a massive cost savings?

What if badge prices could go down? What if the convention could give more to charity? What if instead of giving away a fursuit that could cost 40 or so badges worth of revenue, they just gave away 40 badges for free to a charity

Likely several hundred thousand to buy cars (not likely), televisions, lighting equipment, computers, etc. that once depreciated (3 years) can be given away with no consequence.

You can sit and defend convention staff and claim how they’re victims of this massive ghosting ring, or you can become “woke” or whatever the millennial language is for understanding the common sense that these people, given more money, are just going to get more toys for themselves.

Just watch and ask yourself, are ghosts really hurting their budget if they can afford this for the con chairman to basically play around as a news presenter?

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cuddletrain · 7 years ago

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How to Ghost FWA in 2018 w/ RFID Badge

Hi,

So, it’s 2018 and the staff at FWA seem to think for some obtuse reason that by forcing everyone to use uncomfortable (and absolutely horrific for those with skin disorders, privacy issues, concerns about RFID and cancer, the disabled, those with anxiety issues, those who sleep light, those with medical devices that require unobstructed wrists, etc.) wrist bands that must not be removed and you MUST shower with. Not to mention, they’re obviously tracking everything that you do when you scan in, so consider the fact that that’s going to pretty much be against the GDPR here in a few seconds, but never the less....

Update: Local furs who have to go to work now have to choose between buying ANOTHER BADGE and cutting this one off or doxxing themselves as furries at work. Reports on twitter of people having to cut theirs off because of allergic reactions and basically having to become ghosts after paying for it. Lots of reports of badges that hurt right now, but registration is closed and the line to get back to registration was over 3 hours today, so those who wanted to go back through the line to get a badge replacement couldn’t.

You can pretty much clone them. Google it, a billion guides out there. You can also hide them inside of something and pass them around. Friend leaving a con, have him cut his badge off, give it to you, put it in some paws and you’re good to go.

Read below for the guide:

Disclaimer: This is to expose how dumb RFIDs are. If you try to ghost, like I mention below, these people will probably try to have you arrested and publicly humiliated by Dogpatch or something lol. Doesn’t stop you from ghosting and just not showing up on the con floor since from I hear the silent disco was a bust, but whatever. Don’t do this at home furs.

So you want to ghost and share one of these wrist bands around. Understand, you do this at your own risk, since if these people are insane enough to steal money away from their non-profit donations to fight the few ghosts that show up because their registration numbers aren’t as big as MFF, then they would try to arrest someone for ghosting. You do this at your own risk.

Another Update (from a man in a pickle outfit): It looks like android phones and maybe even smart watches will work to copy the FWA badges. Just google “RFID app” and you will find a wealth of information about it. Additionally, photos of the badges literally coming apart are showing up on Twitter now:

Update: I have no clue if this works, but the reviews on Amazon for it are really high: https://www.amazon.com/English-Frequency-Copier-Reader-125kHz/dp/B06XZ1C7VD Looks like someone could just buy one of these and copy their badge however many times. Probably someone who is smart and good with computers can probably decrypte and rewrite the name that pops up on the scanner (if it does, idk, I’m not there).

If your badge stops functioning because you damage it that is your fault to. This is just more or less to honestly expose how stupid the RFIDs are:

So the instructions are simple:

1. Get an oversized bracelet/arm warmers/paws/long sleeve shirt.

2. Cut the badge off, cutting the rubber piece that they use to lock the badge onto your wrist.

3. Adhere to the bracelet with hot glue or whatever you have available to the underside of the bracelet or arm warmers, safety pin it to the inside of any kind of long sleeved clothing or inside of some paws or best item: wrist brace, since I mean if they challenge your wrist brace that’s going to be violating a billion disability laws in my mind (not a lawyer) and be highly harassing.

4. You and your mates wear these items together, when one of you wants to wear the badge swap off the goods.

5. Profit

If you are suitors and want to ghost:

1. Cut band off where the rubber securer thing is.

2. Attach band to inside of your paws with a safety pin.

3. Scan your way into the events.

4. Undo safety pin, pass to bro or m8.

5. He/she/it safety pins it inside of their paws.

6. Profit

Basically you can ghost as long as someone has a badge and you just put it under something when you pass it around.

If you’re going to ghost, whoever buys the badge should probably be cautious on if they can see your name when they scan it or not. I doubt they can, but I’m not there.

Likewise, you could also use RFID cloning tools (lol like the ones for the Nintendo things) to clone a badge and then copy that badge to several other badges.

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cuddletrain · 7 years ago

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Praise the Truth - Dogpress the Faux Furry News Platform and the Lack of Ethical Responsibility

Dogpatch has released his hit piece to the thralls of a few hundred folks; half caring that Dogpatch was attempting to libel Radfox and his con while the others were living within their biases, reacting to contextually inaccurate information and living within their own zero tolerance paradigms. A second salvo was released on the heels of the original, launching aspersions and libel against several members of the fandom as he attempted to roleplay that he was an ethical neutral journalist and not some hobbyist blogger attempting to sow the seeds of chaos.

Which is the issue at hand, not following proper universal ethical guidelines for journalism spawns the problems that Dogpatch has created where the wrong people are accused of things they didn’t do while misinformation spreads. Dogpatch leverages the perceived idea that he’s some kind of furry journalist as a method to troll others, doxing random individuals and also associating unrelated individuals with hardcore neo-Nazism which has resulted in a lot of pain for folks not even remotely involved with the source material.

Not following proper ethical guidelines, which we disclose below, means he can edit the article to his heart’s content, without publishing retractions and statements as why; nor does he even have to publically apologize to individuals he’s wronged when he deems them “Nazis” or other forms of “ne'er-do-wells” that he carries a bias against. He can also post factually incorrect information as fact, which for those who trust him can manipulate their opinion unjustly.

A good example of this is in his second article, he released dox on Praise the Sun claiming he was Tom Horgan / @fennegod. As seen below:

If you follow this archive link, you’ll see the information was redacted without any notice, which is ethically deplorable. It just disappeared into the ether, after the damage was done to both Praise the Sun and Tom Horgan. By his accusation, he attacked Tom Horgan who has not only blocked Praise but had to deal with his crusade against the fandom’s trash previously; meanwhile, Praise had to be accused of holding a gun to someone’s head, which is just outrageous libel and ethically bankrupt.

Take that in for a moment – he accused someone of holding a gun to someone’s head, beating them, etc. who was completely unrelated and even aligned that Rudefox/Tom Horgan. Even if you think these two parties are, for some reason deplorable, that doesn’t give you the right to fabricate accusations and makes the point far weaker.

His proof existed of two profile pictures, one of them being a screenshot of “@fennegod” which, you can see below:

Which came from an incident in which Rudefox tried to troll Praise the Sun and Praise, being an absolute crusader for real justice was not having any of it and chased him off to the bowels of Telegram somewhere, which likely to Dogpatch is an unacceptable outcome (likely, how can these Nazi people not like one another? Trash loves trash right?), whose zeal made the original accusation and then, after propagating it, quietly deleted it to avoid controversy.

Retracting the article without publishing a correction or issuing a statement of apology is a major journalistic offense and I only hammer the idea of “journalism” because he constantly affirms that he’s a fair and unbiased news publication. He reported that the convention caused $7,000 in damage based purely off of some chatlogs and didn’t do any of the shoe work to confirm. Anthrocon, Midwest Furfest, Furcon and many other conventions have tons of damage done year after year. Rainfurrest had to close as one of those reasons.

Meanwhile, his assumptions and lackadaisical journalistic writing style has caused tons of misrepresentations, where folks have assumed Rad is enabling and sheltering some kind of Nazi cabal within furry or that completely unrelated parties (like Rudefox) were involved. The only retraction published was posting a Tweet begging folks to stop attacking random folks included in the pictures he posted, which his writing style often leaves the readers assuming that certain parties are related to certain things.

That’s why ethical standards exist. If, for nothing else to avoid copyright infringement, quote Wikipedia:

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Accuracy and standards for factual reporting

Reporters are expected to be as accurate as possible given the time allotted to story preparation and the space available, and to seek reliable sources.

Events with a single eyewitness are reported with attribution. Events with two or more independent eyewitnesses may be reported as fact. Controversial facts are reported with attribution.

Independent fact-checking by another employee of the publisher is desirable.

Corrections are published when errors are discovered.

Defendants at trial are treated only as having "allegedly" committed crimes, until conviction, when their crimes are generally reported as fact (unless, that is, there is serious controversy about wrongful conviction).

Opinion surveys and statistical information deserve special treatment to communicate in precise terms any conclusions, to contextualize the results, and to specify accuracy, including estimated error and methodological criticism or flaws.

Slander and libel considerations

Reporting the truth is almost never libel, which makes accuracy very important.

Private persons have privacy rights that must be balanced against the public interest in reporting information about them. Public figures have fewer privacy rights in U.S. law, where reporters are immune from a civil case if they have reported without malice. In Canada, there is no such immunity; reports on public figures must be backed by facts.

Publishers vigorously defend libel lawsuits filed against their reporters, usually covered by libel insurance.

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Read this or the entire article on Wikipedia and then read his article or other articles, you’ll notice that he’s far more a hobbyist blogger than a real journalist creating a real news outlet that’s dealing with for real news. This kind of cavalier attitude toward ethics is one of the issues that contributed to Gamergate.

He reported facts attributed to a single voice, he doesn’t publish corrections, he publishes his assumptions as facts or simply leading questions. He can say or do anything, leveraging his perceived authority and cause real harm – harm that has led to actual lawsuits against him and if you follow along at Kiwi Farms you’ll see that he has had a strong history of doing the same against a myriad of targets.

Which is exactly the issue at hand here – either you’re a for real journalistic institution that is ethical and reporting the truth or you’re, as I previously posited, someone with mental health issues that are wanting to cause harm to others – which isn’t cool.

It’s likely, after this hits Tumblr he’ll go and publish some words about what happened and try to find some moral high ground, but as far as I’m concerned, you have to take anything he publishes through the filter of someone not only with an agenda (which could be fine – lots of folks love Fox News for their agenda/bias, it creates an echo chamber of comfort) and someone who likely wants to tell a different story than what the truth is.

Which, through the debacle, we’ve seen that Radfox isn’t a grand dragon of the KKK and that lots of folks have gotten hurt through his libel and unethical/unprofessional standards.

Then again, I mean, he’s being sued and is constantly being called out for this, so what’s new?

~ Praise

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cuddletrain · 7 years ago

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Dogpatch Press Threatening Atlantic City Fur Con - False Accusations of Alt-Right Involvement / Smear Campaign Against Venerable Con Host for No Reason

Dogpatch Press, ran by Patch O' Furr, Dogpatch, Scratch, Muttpatch, Patchmutt, Hitlerhatermutt, Antifapryde53 and Patch Packrat is an outlet for extortion and bullying of furries. Dogpatch runs his publication not as a temple of journalistic pride but more like an fascist media arm where he himself is the Fuhrer, aiming to inflate trust into his publication and use it as a tool to extort and bully furries in order to groom the fandom to his way. This is all highly symptomatic of mental health issues with Dogpatch, who has recently started trying to shut down Atlantic City Fur Con because it's focusing on increasing convention accessibility when he would prefer conventions to remain for the elite - the furries who can afford to go to a convention that's ran like an oligarchy than the free-spirited convention Radfox envisions.

That's why Dogpatch has begun to attempt to drag Rad into his alt-right fascist theories because ultimately, that's what Dogpatch is and wants everyone else to be as well. Let's talk about Dogpatch attacking the venerable Radfox, then about how Dogpatch loves public masturbation and likely Nazis and wrap it all up about how this is an example of mental illness and someone in need of help.

If you'd rather just get your lol's on, Kiwi Farm's has done the legwork there. Visit' em!

Dogpatch vs. Radfox - The Sickest Fight of the Century

If there was a goodest furry, many would point to Rad. He's been in the community being an all-star while working to keep this country's power grid running. He's sincere, honest, kind and generous and has recently tried to make conventions more accessible by changing the format to enable them to operate in areas without large attendance numbers and where it'd be hard to pull in enough staff. The new way he's pioneering involves furries going to a hotel and hanging out together, but without any of the structure like panels or convention staff or the need even for badges.

This means that those who can't afford a badge and the locals who can't travel (much less budget in a $60+ con badge to their convention activities) won't have to pay out. No panels will mean that there isn't money going to empty rooms when there isn't enough panel hosts or empty panels because the panel hosts a con can get don't have relevant content for the audience. Everyone makes their own rules, hangs out with those they want to hang out with and it's cheaper for everyone involved and easier to run since all you need is the hotel being okay with it and folks to show up.

Spoiler: None of those people are connected to anything but Chick-Fil-A and a love of fine Starbucks.

The rise of ghosting shows that more and more furries attend cons for friends and not the sideshows the con runs. Conventions like this solve that problem.

Dogpatch though doesn't enjoy the idea of this convention and wants it to end. He's begun threatening Radfox with "kill pieces" and is sourcing news from strangers in an attempt to weave a story about how AC Furcon supports the alt-right. Which is, to anyone with a drop of common sense, stupid because Radfox would be the first in the room to punch a nazi if you knew him (and he's strong enough that his one punch would likely do).

He wants Rad to change the con or he's going to write a killer hit piece and take it down, which, I mean, is hypocritical coming from a man who loves public masturbation (see below gif).

Dogpatch and Public Masturbation

Why are we even talking about this? Well, Patch's furry news website, likely read by his mom and a few people he @'s at on Twitter, shows a ranking of 800,000 on Alexa which puts it as a website that has some readers, but not many and constantly falls below 1,000,000 (the cut-off to be even ranked, aka a pretty much dead site). That tells you pretty much how irrelevant his website is and debunks even his ability to

The owner, Dogpatch, loves public masturbation and lots of other freaky kinky things (that I don't want to Kinkshame on, but you could just easily assume what they are) and wants public nudity to be a thing, but at the same time doesn't like a convention focused around removing the barriers and disbanding the oligarchy that most cons run under (i.e. taking power away from the con chair and the "staff" that often use their power to control attendees and bully them) so much he's willing to disparage random furries and accuse them of being part of the alt-right.

His aspersions about the alt-right are comical and come off almost as if he was projecting a world in which everyone is alt-right and that means his "sick opinions" are alright. His evidence comes from when Rad was literally making the convention chat "SFW" and taking the NSFW talk to a second room, where furries being furries started clowning around with some distasteful jokes like in every NSFW chat.

Rad's empathy for others made him do this even though only a few people complained about some rude remarks.

Rad didn't participate, didn't throw out a heil hitler, didn't do anything yet Dogpatch the public masturbator has to for some reason try to disparage this convention because he's just not right. We can go into detail about it, but Kiwi Farms does a much better job than I'm going to do and I don't want to rehash their content, but let's just say this isn't the pot calling the kettle black, but the pot calling a white fence black.

As you can see, his news is consumed by mostly one sex. No wonder he’s so against inclusion in the fandom.

Basically, Dogpatch is a big proponent of whipping it out in public even if it's not legal to do so while in suit. Then he roles on to the Internet, sees a convention that's trying to make the fandom more accessible and then somehow tries to shoehorn his alt-right conspiracy theories in with it while claiming he's some credible outlet for journalism.

Credibility Lost

Proper journalism is rather simple. You vet your sources, you vet your stories and then you move on. How do you know when the media is corrupt? When they no longer are vetting their information. Dogpatch, in speaking with Literally Furry Hell, began assuming random identities for various members, even though it's unfair to the people he's accusing and to the victims of his estranged identity theft ways.

Which, by default means his paper is "fake news" and is a "rag." It's basically nothing at this point but his opinion piece, as he skews context and abuses his illusional authority to weave a tale of Radfox somehow being involved with the alt-right while at the same time being completely delusional when it comes to reality.

Mental Health - A Serious Issue

This all points to a serious mental health issue with Dogpatch. Something is happening where he sees enemies and threats where they just don't exist. He needs to control the fandom and maintain the status quo of how cons are run. He needs the attention, constantly trying to get his unpopular website attention through screaming into the void loud enough that maybe something will scream back at him.

It's hard when venerable members of the community come under attack to sympathize with the abuser, but sometimes we have to take that high road. You can read lots of comments and replies to Dogpatch where people are concerned about him and the way his behavior is. On one hand, he's a kink fiend who wants to make seeing his junk in public okay no matter what but on the other don't you dare hold a convention where people don't have to register.

Let’s hope the death wish is figurative.

I say that we all acknowledge that he needs to seek help and make sure to remind him when he runs around trying to find somewhere in the void to scream that you're not weak standing up and saying you have a problem, you are strong and that strength is respected.

There is nothing wrong with us respecting Dogpatch, if he stops abusing the word "journalist," starts citing credible stories, starts writing credible pieces and doesn't throw the alt-right around like it's an instant win card. For that to happen though, he'd have to do things differently and we often need help to show us that what we're doing is wrong and that there is a better path in life.

This isn’t his first rodeo and honestly, the idea that he would smear Rad shows that this is a sick individual out to hurt others and he needs to stop.

Everyone wants everyone else to have a great life and there is no reason for him to suffer in this delusional world, so let's have sympathy for him and let's encourage him to get the help he needs. Spinning around trying to argue with his crazy points and prove every thing he makes up as a lie is a waste of energy when treating the root cause in this scenario is far more productive.

If you’re a friend of his or trusted by him and feel that these words speak to you, please reach out and encourage & support him making himself a better man.

- Praise

P.S. I don’t make the argument he’s in it for the money because $209 a month isn’t much for writing content every day and pay for the hosting. You could say that his zeal and lack of reward contribute the idea that he’s doing this to control and terrify; to sate some primal need that shouldn’t exist.

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cuddletrain · 7 years ago

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ArabTheArcher1 / Xerxes / The Lounge / The Fur Lounge - The Faux Persian Culture Complex

Deep within the depths of Telegram exists a user named "Xerxes" or "ArashTheArcher1" (Arash for short) and a multitude of other sockpuppets he leverages to champion his faux Persian culture (Ali Karimi, Veyli, KalifDhole, OriginalSimba, and others we haven't verified). His wife, which he married within Final Fantasy 14, is named Bridget (aka Sweetyyyyyyyyyy) who lives within a council house in the UK and is falling ever so closer to textbook immigration scam being perpetrated by Arash.

The two channels where Arash rules as king are called "The Lounge" and "The Fur Lounge," the first where he champions his faux version of Persian culture and the other where he does things so unspeakable that I can't write them on Tumblr for fear of adverse action from just the raw descriptions of what he speaks about in relation to what he wants to do with animals.

Arash subscribes to a very draconian sense of cultural adaptation, you either are culturally aligned with his idea of the superiority of the Persian people or you're a target for him and his sockpuppet army, ready to spread lies and gaslight you for Arash's own sick pleasures. At any time you attempt to rebuke him, whether intimately as he demands you roleplay his twisted fetishes or culturally, where he demands you adhere to "Persian superiority", he will remind you that he runs The Lounge, "the biggest channel on telegram."

The Lounge’s “Welcome Image”

Which isn't true, it's not the biggest, nor is it even active. The Lounge is much like an MMO guild spamming every guildless person to join. The chat is a sprawling void of interaction, instead, it's a one directional feed of subscriberless thought and over moderation as people fail to adhere to the forced "Persian culture" that you must follow in order to not be banned from his chat. The channel, as of late, just like those overstuffed bloated MMO guilds is falling apart at the seams as no one sees value in a channel where you can only talk at it, not with it.

Failing to go along with his deviancy, he will claim he will ally other chats and attack you, burning you down. This results in him and his sockpuppets, for all of 3 minutes, joining and attempting to gaslight you for his deviancy. Then, he will message the admins of the chat complaining that people are insulting him and demanding that the channel ban them, even if he was the one who started it all.

This cycle repeats, where someone refuses his advances and becomes the next "great target" for his "burn," followed by hilarious legal threats from across the globe that near Koyo Bundad's giant yarn and his "elite female hacker squad" which is effectively Bridget, a lady down on her luck in the UK living in a council house who has been promised "riches" if she'll marry Arash for UK citizenship. She will come in and make fun of folks for a bit, before also complaining from the kickback harassment her interruption has caused.

We are Literally Furry Hell don't appreciate the idea that folks use numbers or weak psychological tricks to try to "hype themselves up" and then use that inflated hypeness as a way to control or manipulate people for... deviancy. That's the only word that I can respectfully use in this situation.

If you interact with Arash in the variety of channels that he constantly is looking for new roleplay partners in, remember the following:

He doesn't have anyone who is following him. He is alone and just a moderator of a channel that's the equivalent of Persian Barrens Chat.

He can't do anything to you, being on the other side of the globe the best that he can do is say yet another your mother joke at you and then leave the chat.

You don't have to give yourself to him. The worst case scenario not playing the role of the horse for him is that he bans you from the aforementioned barrens chat.

With all of this, there really isn't anything else to say.

Literally Furry Hell cares about the furry community and his attempts to usurp the community with a Persian fursona called "Simba the Lion" or "originalsimba" as he tries to find other friends to "play horses" with him. We want you to know that you don't have to listen to his night long tirades of long gone kingdoms and how they make him relevant today nor do you need to put the reins on and "play" with him.

You're free to do as you please and weak powerless bullies like Arash can only help to make you relevant when you decline their advances.

Praise

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cuddletrain · 8 years ago

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Koyo Bundad / aRabbitBro’s Fantastical Journey through Embellishment and Control Issues

One of the great challenges of a good community is building trust within the community; the ability to believe in one another in such a way that there is some form of authenticity between interactions. Narcissists steal the ability for one on one interactions to have any sort of trust to them, because their existence in of itself is a fabrication. That fabrication is like a fabric, that can weave and flow in whatever way they need it to in order to maintain their projected self.

Their story ebbs and flows as it needs to, stretching to everything you say and bringing you along through a journey of magic and wonder, until you ever want to physically touch the reality they speak of. They withdraw, excuses fly left and right and you're stuck wondering to yourself what value was there ever in these interactions.

Today we address Koyo Bundad, aka arabbitbro, aka "Richie Rabbit" once more on his fantastical journey through madness and self-absorption. When we last addressed Koyo, we talked about the duality of his arguments – you either agree with him, in which you fold into his reality or you prove him wrong, to which he'll claim he was leading you along the entire time.

When you're a point that you're both Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, every word you say becomes void, as no one can trust a single idea that derives from an existence that can be both there and not at all. Of course, when that void starts to show itself, the narcissist begins losing the attention and then needs to escalate their rhetoric and fits more and more. You see this with abusive relationships, where a narcissist who continues to take ego damage will begin raging hard and harder, until it becomes physically violent. Since this is the Internet, Koyo can't necessarily beat anyone, but he can take things as far as his imagination and his fingers will let him.

Join me now, on a fantastical journey through Koyo's past of Internet action and his this relates to what he's discussed within our chat:

It's Worth What Someone Else Will Pay for It

Koyo once owned a store that sold vintage item but Koyo is also someone who likes to brag about the Gucci bag that he owns:

So the ultimate result is that Koyo takes what you can obviously tell is a rather vintage bag which he picked up for $30. Notice the emphasis on brands and on proving or validating his "worth" even back in 2012. Which is interesting, because if we remember he talked about making $200/hr:

Which mirrors what he brought up on Twitter:

I don't really need to type out the fact that if he was pulling in $200 an hour between 2013 and 2018 that Koyo would very likely not need to obfuscate so much of himself and his "vague proof" considering that would be millions and millions by now.

It can also explain the few pieces of “luxury goods” he’s thrown to the lions to chew on. Vintage luxury goods are often a third of the original price or if bought from thrift stores are often counterfeits or well worn pieces. It also explains why there is a lot of wear and his grand claims that X is worth Y, when he probably paid Z for it. Z is probably much less than Y.

Narcissists are attracted to brand names and things to help prove their worth and fill in the gaps that their natural ability and personality can’t fill in.

Degeneracy

Another one of Koyo's claims to fame is how... prestigious he is and how well to do he is, yet, if we look at his Twitter and his posts, we know that's not necessarily true. Koyo is a sick and twisted individual, and a troll, who desires to harm others and proliferate hate.

I don't think I need to share more.

Cyber Police

Koyo, who as we can see above isn't above or beyond harassing others online or joking about roofies, doesn't exactly enjoy others pointing this out. When our beloved chat began discussing the fallacies of Koyo, he immediately began threatening the e-Police.

I want to take an aside before we look through the images and the aftermath to talk about why he used the e-Police at this point. It’s often when a narcissist feels they’ve lost control and that they’ve painted themselves in a corner that they engage “narcissistic rage” and part of the rage is to regain control. It’s to regain everyone’s attention on who they want you to see them as.

Koyo, threatening to call the cyber cops, brings him out as someone who has control - the finger on the literal button, and can and will bring about the ultimate solution if you continue pushing. Not that Koyo hasn’t said some mean or horrible things as illustrated above, but that Koyo doesn’t like people talking about the truth in regards to himself.

He needs to regain control and the more the tides works against him, the further he is willing to escalate the situation. Of course, if this doesn’t “take” and the group doesn’t align behind this way of thinking, he will back track and play it off as nothing more than a hilarious puppet mastery game where he was baiting people into his ruse.

The hubris of his embellishment is such that Koyo can’t expect others to believe his machinations, but we are where we’re at.

Anyway, here’s is his compelling argument on how he’s going to deal with the claims against him about his wealth and how hype he is.

This is coming from the same person, who earlier, has a friend at LinkedIn who can provide him IP addresses of some random LinkedIn user:

As we previously discussed, anything that Koyo says, he’s going to come back on once everyone spends an entire day having fun at the idea of Koyo calling the cyberpolice.

I can paste more and more examples of this same thing, where Koyo waxes between someone who is fighting for control through Narcissistic intimidation and rage and someone who is attempting to play at damage control, yet constantly comes up short in both directions of achieving anything.

At the end of the day, Koyo is someone who can’t be trusted and isn’t what he claims to be. He’s got a lot of dark thoughts and opinions and a lot of nasty words. If he’s in your furry community, it might be time to rethink your associations with this bunny.

#notmybunny #narcasistic

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cuddletrain · 8 years ago

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Koyo Bundad - The Sad Truth

Koyo Bundad is a furry similar to Lulz, who we’ve previously talked about. A breed of narcissistic furries who prey on the youth of the community and the ignorance to feast on attention and lord knows what other nefarious intentions a man such as Koyo could have. After all, someone capable of doing all of what Koyo has done could very well take it even further. I digress though.

Narcissists have a true self and a false self, in a simplified way of explaining it. Who they really are doesn’t align with who they want to be, so instead of gradually building to who they want to be, they simply derive a false self... sort of a crayon drawing of themselves that they become. They then lie and exaggerate and misrepresent things in order for everyone to shower them in attention, all the while hiding their “true self.”

Koyo, in reality, is a simple man who actually did well enough for himself (assuming the Internet is telling the truth - there has been some questions to this) moving from fast casual dining to robotics and IT. The reality he wants you to believe is that he lives in a massive mansion, dines on kobe beef regularly, and has a near infinite amount of money to spend on his incredibly expensive *vintage* furniture - and it’s important to Koyo that you believe this.

Koyo’s first oddity was the claim that he made kobe filets the other night. He presented the following picture:

The issue with that statement is that to anyone who knows anything about kobe beef, that just isn’t a thing. You just don’t have kobe filets at your house, much less with what appears to be a dollop of boxed mashed potatoes. Kobe beef is something of a rarity here in America, with only 9 restaurants serving authentic kobe beef in the states. That kobe burger at cheesecake factory isn’t real kobe beef, because there isn’t really anywhere to buy it. The places that can serve it have to be certified by the kobe association and your local meat market isn’t going to get any of the extremely limited supply that comes here.

Now, did koyo buy wagyu, which comes from japanese cattle still but isn’t really kobe beef? Probably. Did his meat market represent it as kobe? No, you can see online that tons and tons of people buy wagyu there. Did he even buy the beef and is that just steak from a grocery store? We won’t know.

Did he get the meat market to special order him some kobe or did they have some “real kobe” they scammed him with? Just as likely as any guess. He at one point posted a receipt which I won’t repost showing $350 spent at the meat market but... that’s like showing a costco receipt for $700 and saying you bought anything. That’s like... did he buy groceries? Did he buy a month of meat? That’s the thing with vague proof.

Vague proof is a common theme that we’re going to establish here. I can ~say~ I have something and then show some “vague proof” which is a photo of them holding some cash, a receipt that doesn’t show itemized items, or in the case of Koyo just random photos of random things.

After poked about his kobe beef not being real, the narcissistic damage caused Koyo to go into a nose dive posting photos like the following:

To show off his “mansion.” Which, like most furries, is a rental stuffed full of furries clamboring to make rent. With a dirty kitchen that they all likely fight over to clean and tons of old, musty furinature sitting around.

At this time Koyo was claiming his sofa was $15,000 and various objects costing around $5000 to $20000 around his home. Followed by the claim he had 120 bitcoins.

Interestingly enough, this photo is fake. He didn’t have 120 BTC, it was ganked from bitcoin.com...

At this point, we have someone lying about meat, their home, their money and if you look at the comment by Desie, you can see why: attention. Having millions of dollars casually laying around would be a very hype person in furry to get along with. For Koyo’s instance, it’s not true. Everything about him at this point is a lie or at most, a three fourths truth.

We get to the cash flourish at this point:

A favorite of people who are flossing, folding the money over in a certain way gives the illusion of a lot of extra cash. We can count the bills here and tell how much is here. We can confirm there is $800 dollars minimum in this flourish, up to what I would guess is $1,200.

Now at this point, you may say, maybe he is sitting on millions? No, he could have simply got paid and took a photo of his paycheck. Making $1500~$2000 a pay day isn’t unreasonable for someone like Koyo, much less if he just received a bonus or a tax day loan. Who knows and honestly, who cares?

Care is something that’s important to people like Koyo. It’s important you accept him for who he says he is and then treat him like what he says is real. Failing to do that gets behavior where he moved into his next phase:

~ The Puppet Master ~

When his lies about bitcoins were exposed and everything was disproven, Koyo see, being the genius that he is, planned to be caught. He planned for being caught because see, he is the troll. He lied about his excessive wealth in order to “troll” those who cared. See, he never really was trying to show off these fictional items, he was simply controlling everyone that went along with it.

Which means, that no matter what, Koyo is right and everyone else is wrong. Either you believe his lies and treat him like royalty or get to watch as he laughs from his fictional throne at the fact you danced to his game. Either way, Koyo is the winner.... in theory.

In actuality, from what we’ve seen, Koyo can’t take the narcassistic damage. He can’t take the fact that his wealth was fictional. He can’t just be “him” but he has to be the alter him, this man with unlimited wealth and a fictional backstory that also heavily consumes drugs and parties hard.

I could list off a plethora of other things, such as him using a 5 year old picture of himself to play off his weight gain, the likelihood his wallet is a counterfeit, the fact he spent over a week defending his claims before being boxed in a corner and claiming that is was a ruse all the time, the fact his car is broke and he won’t fix it and the car he wants is $20k/new, etc.

What I will do instead is say something that’s been said a trillion times:

Something “too good to be true” is rarely true.

Someone who is in furry, in the backwash channels, who is a habitual hard drug user, who spends all of their time on telegram, also isn’t pulling in $200/hr from bitcoin and a job with an average salery (in SAN FRAN) of $100k/year.

Which, of course, with everything he has shown, is exactly what someone with that kind of salary could pull off. If you got here from google, know who you’re dealing with when you deal with them.

~ Praise

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cuddletrain · 8 years ago

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Bitcoin Wrecks FWA - Budget Cuts Mean No Music, No DJS, BYOM - Bring Your Own Music

If cryptocurrency wasn’t wrecking enough folks hopes and dreams this week, it seems furry isn’t in anyway immune. FWA is taking massive cost cutting measures by removing the DJ and replacing it with “Bring Your Own Music.” The “silent disco” will involve furries jamming to themselves in silence as the con reels from it’s crypto investment loss.

After losing a the whatever it was one quadrillion dollars from ghosting, FWA has sought alternate revenue streams according to an inside source. The loss from cryptocoins has forced the convention to sell much of its music gear, according to our source, to make up for the losses and allow the con to move on.

The best part of a silent disco is that it’s portable, so this year instead of buying a pass you can buy a sick set of headphones and dance to yourself in your room with people you like for the similar impact of dancing in a slightly larger room full of strangers dancing out of beat.

~ Praise

#getthecatearheadphones danceinyourroom whyabadge

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cuddletrain · 8 years ago

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Flossing as a Furry

Flossing is a skill that every furry should learn to have and should be in everyone’s toolbox. It’s the second best skill next to ghosting, which we have many guides on. The important part about flossing as a furry is to make sure your story doesn’t make any sense.

Take for instance, your average American. 50% of the country makes around 50k or less and 50% makes about 50k or more, in theory, but because some folks earn so much that it skews the scales, it’s more likely than not the average American household (that’s usually two working adults) makes around or less than 50k.

These are upstanding, righteous folks who love their cable news and work hard doing a variety of jobs you wouldn’t think about such as building things you don’t think about, working in factories producing stuff, guarding packages from thieves for delivery companies, etc. These are just your average regular Americans.

Enter the furry. These are folks who, more likely than not, are down to clown with having their excrement in their underroos while talking about the latest trends from their favorite artist who draws characters 100 feet tall eating people. We can averagely say that this behavior spawns from generally a lack of anything to do while being on the Internet that’s constructive, a lack of direct connection with society itself and a longing to be really fucked up.

These kinds of folks often live with their parents, either not working lamenting how society doesn’t accept them for their alt beliefs (often attributed to them being gay or something else) or working some go nowhere minimum wage job that’s holding them off through college or until something happens to elevate their lives.

Makes sense, the kind of people who are into extremely alternate lifestyles are usually not CEOs of major corporations. It’s a fandom for frustrated folks scorn by society in their early 20s lashing out at the world and discovering themselves with other folks stuck with a lot of free time on the Internet.

Knowing this, there is always predators. People who pray on the unfortunate. They act as sharks among a sea of clown fish, lashing out and taking big scoops of the clowns. There exist a breed of furry capable of working a regular job or as close to a regular job as you can get, but uses their above poverty status to floss as if they’re beyond wealthy. To the unwashed masses, these people come off as lordly kings and to the rest of society they come off as insane.

They’ll claim that they own airplanes and exotic cars, often times with old or blurry photos and not a lot of detail when it comes to how they obtained it. They have jobs and connections that sound directly out of a television show. They live in a huge house either without photos or with photos of a house that looks like it belonged to someone’s grandmother (and it often is their grandmother’s house).

A modest income of 35 to 40k a year provides enough slush money to show off massively when conventions happen. Think about the cost of a bottle of flavored vodka, $10? They can buy 10 bottles of flavored vodka, plus a bottle of some of the more expensive stuff. This automatically puts them high in the favor of the party goers.

They can afford to let others room with them (although you need to pitch in something, either ass or cash). They will buy a limited amount of people flights to the conventions... the cheapest ones with the longest layovers of course.

After a convention, they sit and try to dominate the chat with words about how much they’re worth for no reason, other than for themselves and what attention they can bring from someone in the community naive enough to fall for their bulls#$t.

To someone who doesn’t know what the value of things are, they can easily spin tales about how they bought this or that or something else. Someone who hasn’t had a lot of experience can easily fall for them spending $5,000 here, $1,500 there, $2,500 here and more. Makes sense, their $400 ~ 800k a year job funds all of it although, such positions usually demand a lot out of someone, so much that participating in the fandom in any regular cadence would be limiting. Not to mention, with that kind of money, they could easily do or go anywhere they wanted.

If sex was a desire, they could easily participate in normal society defined events, their wealth easily luring by waves and waves of sycophants looking for a sugar daddy. Why do it online?

Because it’s easy to lie online.

Even easier when real life exposure is limited to a few days at a hotel.

~ Praise the Sun

P.S. This man named Koyo on Telegram is basically lulz .81 (not an improvement by any means).

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cuddletrain · 8 years ago

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Tim “@aTigerDog“ is Stealing Personal Information

Tim, going by “@aTigerDog“ on Telegram is stealing personal information, likely to be used to extort and blackmail others for sex. A requirement to join his channel is to send an ID, including your address to verify you’re “over 18″ but in doing so, you open yourself up to Tim being able to use this information against you either:

1. By knowing where you live and leveraging this against you to force you to do as he pleases.

2. To sell this information for a profit to third party black markets for bitcoins (Tim does claim he has an awful large sum of bitcoins....).

3. For other nefarious purposes.

LFH begs everyone to stay safe online and not let predators like “Tim” aka “@aTigerDog” exploit you. Do not send anyone any personally identifiable information online.

For more resources:

https://www.schellman.com/blog/2015/10/what-is-pii/

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0272-how-keep-your-personal-information-secure

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tips-to-protect-your-personal-information-while-online

#telegramsafety

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cuddletrain · 9 years ago

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I’m not very good with Tumblr, but it seems our blog has been infected with more fake accounts from this “Erika” person, who is using a fake persona to attempt to scam the furry community out of money. Thankfully, since our PSA, we’ve saved a lot of folks from a lot of bad times, and with that I can feel warm and positive energy within my soul.

Watch out for this “Blaze” alt that he has, it seems to be his second account to white knight for his first.

Warning: @corgithebreaddog is Hacking Furry Accounts & Stealing Identies

This is a public service announcement that a telegram user, who apparently has been defrauding furries out of money via fursuits. This user, who claims to be the furry “Erika” although speaking to the real Erika has us have doubts to the orgin of her username / OC, will message furries and explain that he has traced their IP and will be doxing them to anonymous. When pressed for information, he will claim that he knows you “Robert” and that “your time is coming” before blocking. We’ve seen about 12 occurances of this.

We here at Literally Furry Hell don’t believe that this user is telling the truth, but as a warning, please use an IP blocker, such as Telegram.

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Warning: @corgithebreaddog is Hacking Furry Accounts & Stealing Identies

We here at Literally Furry Hell don’t believe that this user is telling the truth, but as a warning, please use an IP blocker, such as Telegram.

#pumpkin spice latte #peppermint mocha

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cuddletrain · 9 years ago

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MAGA FENNEC Takes over as CEO of Literally Furry Hell

SAN JOSE, CA — Dec 20, 2017 — Literally Furry Hell today announced that its Board of Directors has appointed MAGA FENNEC as Chief Executive Officer effective Dec 20, 2017. MAGA FENNEC was also elected to the Board of Directors of Furries with Attitude (FWA), effective Jan 1, 2017.

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cuddletrain · 9 years ago

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My FWA Resume

Name: Furry Fuckbutt

Skills:

- Miscounting attendees.

- Demanding to see badges in non-con areas.

- Sassy mouth at paying con-goers, who feel accused that they’re ghosting.

- Great motivation to annoy everyone but the ghosts.

- Knows ghosts aren’t real, still tries to bust them.

Previous Experience

Ghostbusters - 1988 until Present

- Harassed random hobos on the street, accusing them of being ghosts.

- Didn’t cut my grass.

- Drank Everclear out of a cup.

- Demanded restitution of $72,000 for the 20,000 missing ghosts.

I will make a great member of your team.

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cuddletrain · 9 years ago

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Lulz Avi - Exploiting and Threatening the Furry Community

WThere seems to be some new filth making its way through the furry community. A furry named “Lulz Avi” on Telegram, with the username “@Kamakazzzzze” maybe give or take a z, is claiming the following great things:

They own a 10 million dollar jet.

They own several motorcycles.

More than two mansions.

A total of eight planes.

A Lieutenant Colonel in the US Air Force

A wife & kid(s) (it has been changing)

Multiple motorcycles.

The ability to harm others.

$300k a (week)day in income from “the stocks”

He’s made some other big claims, but the most important part of this is that he’s using his “wealth” to threaten furries on Telegram, much in the way ATLWolf does, that he will hurt them if they do not do what he says.

He claims he can “hurt someone and not even sweat it” due to his immense wealth. Although we have found no solid verification of any of the claims he has made.

Below you’ll find what he’s shared so far and if you see him on furry telegram then please stay far far away as he’s very likely to try and manipulate you with this idea that he’s a very rich person.

Photographic Evidence of Lulz’s Threats

Photos of Lulz’s Claimed Property

Warning: It’s obvious that none of this is his. Therefore, if you do know who owns any of these items (outside of the jets, which are lol obviously from an airshow although he claimed to have owned them), please let them know someone online is stealing their identity - if it’s actually for real lulz, then please let his family know of his threats of violence online.

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cuddletrain · 9 years ago

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The Fraud of TigerPaw’s Math - How Furry Weekend Atlanta Lied about Ghost Numbers

The Marriott Marquis has over 1,600 rooms. Assuming that four furries stay on average per room (since we all understand six is the average, and two is uncommon), the hotel can hold roughly 6,400 furries, or double the attendance. In talking with the management of the Marriott Marquis (who absolutely despise the furries with Furry Weekend Atlanta, since they feel that it’s a PR disaster waiting to happen), FWA only held roughly a third of the rooms. So the FWA room block was likely anywhere from 500 to 700 rooms.

The other convention was there held far more rooms than the furry convention did, therefore we can accurately say that FWA had 500 rooms and probably extended it to 700. Using our previous agreed on number, 700 rooms = 2800 furries. Accordingly, 3,400 furries attended. Yes, wait for it - a difference of about 600~700 furries who wouldn’t be accounted for, which interestingly enough is the same number of people that TigerPaw claims ghosted the con.

So, doing some very basic approximations, we can now understand that the convention didn’t have enough rooms for the convention, unless people were stacking 6 to 8 into a room. So how in the world could there be any ghost people? How? Well, it’s easy enough to know - there wasn’t any $42,000 worth of ghosting happening.

It’s TigerPaw’s idea of just lying to people who are incapable of asking simple questions of the Marriott or just doing simple head math. The hotel holds 1,600, FWA did not have the majority of the rooms (according to the day manager), and thusly had fewer rooms than necessary to house the entire attending group. Therefore, if it sold out, that meant that furries had to pay for additional rooms at full price (the Marriott was NOT booked out), or stay at a nearby hotel (which none of them were booked out by the Westin).

The *REAL* danger of ghosts is taking up room block space from attendees when the convention can’t secure enough rooms to meet demand, not the cost of what the convention could make. The idea that TigerPaw is trying to say the convention lost money that it had no use for and didn’t need, such a large sum of it too, is just appalling.

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