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A Prosenna edit I made thanks to the good quality of the Prost documentary and some special scenes from the Senna movie. I love them

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Alain then goes on to say:

We were always a little in exchange for the car, the settings of the car, what could be improved a little too. We never talked about anything else, eh? Talking only about cars.

-Talking about the first part of their relationship at Mclaren.

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One more day without being able to watch the Prost series. I'm losing my sanity. Now I see canal+ everywhere... it haunts me.

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French Prost girlies (gn) please do us a solid and get us the docu series please

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Help a desperate Prost fan!

Can somebody please, if a beg and promise I will log off the second the Prost series is over, give me their Canal+ password 🙏🙏

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IT'S REAL! IT EXISTS!

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Lil fixit? Jayvik comic

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This is our last day together like this, tomorrow the craziness starts.

Same for them in this video.

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Alain Prost talking about Senna, Brasil, their relationship throughout the years, and their plans.

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There's something about The Professor having a fake bookshelf behind him...

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"It's great pride in a way to be joined by Max as well as Sebastian, it's people & drivers that I appreciate. This year the championship was really different for Max but it reflects exactly what Max has become after tough years, after his first WDC in 2021. 2022 and 2023 a bit easier but this year he showed again something a bit different so obviously he totally deserve his title. When we know everything that has happened since the beginning of the year on & off track, the car that works pretty well at first then inexplicably it's no longer efficient; if you don't have a driver like Max Verstappen in a team like this well then it can quickly go to shreds. He showed a lot of composure, lots of calm once again on & off track and he became a driver more than complete, one of the best of course in history. So really proud to be joined in the very exclusive club of 4 time WDCs."

🎥 Canal +

Please do not claim this translation.

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I'm a little nervous posting something like this but I'm genuinely so proud of how i did the lighting on this, a friend gave me the pose reference and well, things progressed from there LOL

as always click for better quality, and as always i am so annoyed at tumblr for desaturating my colors because i SWEAR they are so vibrant

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给prosenna约得第一张，，，

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Okay. So we are all kinda scared and already dissapointed about the Senna series. So can we talk about the Prost docu and how someone will have to record it for all of us who can't get Canal+? Please.

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Complaints about Senna Series

Maybe more than anyone else, I’ve been hyping the Senna series up on here these past few months, partly out of genuine excitement, partly because of my small (big) pre-existing crush on Gabriel Leone (if you’ve watched Dom you get it).

But the trailer has left me so disappointed in what is to come.

It seems that rather than build Ayrton as the fascinating, believable, mixed man that he was in real life, the show has chosen to portray him as a saint of a figure, who can do no wrong, and had the whole world turned against him. Likely this is due to Senna’s ongoing meddling and frankly, disgustingly controlling family, who even thirty years after Ayrton’s passing, still have a tight grip over his life and media presence, but by doing so with this show, I think they’ve let down not only Ayrton, but everyone else too.

Lets start with the obvious- Alain.

Already the show has been insinuating that Alain is the evil driver, the ‘baddie’ that Ayrton’s character must defeat to win the championships. While obviously, the Senna Prost rivalry is famed for its intensity and hatred, and it’d be impossible to show Ayrton’s life without it, I believe the show has gone about it the wrong way. Ayrton was by no means innocent in this rivalry as they are portraying- in fact, with his abusive driving style, and bad attitude towards Prost off track, it could be argued he was the main insinuator.

I think it’s disrespectful to Alain, who now, can only speak well of Ayrton and the relationship they had, to portray him as ‘evil’ as it seems this show is going to do. The fact is they were both as bad as each other, but they also needed each other in order to better themselves. It breaks my heart to think now, thirty years on, Alain may watch this show and once again be put down and hated on when he clearly has expressed nothing but love, admiration and grief towards Ayrton.

I also think this show will likely be disrespectful to the memories of drivers such as Elio. Elio who’s not even been cast in this show, when he was Ayrton’s team mate for a whole year! Just because he didn’t win three championships, does that mean his memory, his life have any less meaning than Ayrton’s? Of course not. It is wrong just to forget him, especially when Ayrton behaved in such a bratty way towards him.

Finally I think this show has most importantly let Ayrton down. The whole reason I relate to him, and respect him, was because he was a flawed man. He was a man driven half insane by his own talent, by his own intensity, and by his own need to win. Himself and his controlling family pushed him so hard, put so many pressures on him, he found it impossible to connect with the people he needed most (like Alain) in fear that it would make him less of a driver. He struggled with self happiness, said so multiple times, clearly had difficulties in many other areas of life, and yet despite all of this, not only turned out to be a brilliant driver, but also a good man as well, who raised hundreds of thousands of children in Brasil. Ayrton is a story of no matter what, never giving up, and battling your own demons to make it where you want to be. And I personally don’t see any way so far in which this show portrays this message.

It is my hope that I am wrong about all this. Maybe this show will turn out to be a good memorial of a good man. But likely it is the ‘Drive to Survive-ification’ of a beautiful story turned bad for a quick buck.

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Can you calculate the astrolabe of prosenna？🥺

If you mean their synastry, yes I can! Both Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna have AA birth times, which means that we can see exactly what houses affected each other.

There's quite a lot of overlap between their planets despite the five year difference. The temperament is also completely different- Prost is Mercury-ruled, all strategy and racing via the details (hence his fitting nickname of the Professor) while Senna is Saturn-ruled, and very much about that "I want to be the very best" life.

One thing we can establish for sure is that an instinctual need to investigate more of the other person is present in all of their synastry. Their rivalry fed their obsession with beating each other in an incredibly spiritual play, both whetstones and knives at the same time for each other's skills. There's tons of articles and videos out there saying that Senna mellowed out after Prost retired, and the intense, almost destructive need to push the other off the track and get to that top podium first was gone the minute they stopped sharing a profession.

This F1 rivalry doesn't have the doomed partnership vibe that was the core impact of the Silver War. It was not an obsession with the other person that drove Prost and Senna to the most nail-biting, hair-pulling, electrifying races the circuit has ever seen. They did not get to know each other well enough for that to matter. Their rivalry was simply an answer to curiosity in Prost's case and a mystery in Senna's.

I would argue that LH and NR were a bigger study in contrasts than A&A- they imploded like so because they were very clearly different from each other from the start, but they found an energizing common ground despite that, which makes the loss of friendship all the more sad because they had gotten over the biggest difference quickly, yet they couldn't mend this.

Here, it is the opposite.

Alain is Ayrton is Alain is Ayrton. Prost's chart ruler is conjunct Senna's ASC. Senna's Jupiter is conjunct Prost's north node. Most importantly, Senna's Sun is conjunct Prost's Moon, though it is out of sign. They are the same person- even though it doesn't seem that way to others.

Outside (red) is Senna's chart, inside (blue) is Prost's.

Both their asteroids of discord, Eris, meet each other in Senna's 3H of driving and Prost's 11H of community. However, nestled in between Senna's 0 degree Aries Sun and Prost's 28 degree Pisces moon, the goddess of harmony resides, bridging the fiery, action-oriented consciousness of Senna (need to do) with Prost's pure, cerebral curiousness (need to know).

Senna reached out to Prost first, after all, when the latter retired.

It is incredibly amusing me to watch and read about the rivalry between the two of them right now, as someone getting into F1 for the first time and only judging these old sporting legends through the lens of the limited astrological knowledge I have. What rivalry they had was probably just inflated by the media in a grander scheme, to weave it in with the self-mythology of F1 The Event. The two themselves have no beef, and I'm glad that Prost didn't think too much of it when retiring, and that Senna thought too much of it when he did.

To start off- both have planets in Aries and Capricorn - the two signs that typically bless F1 racers (whose charts I've seen so far). Cardinal signs typically like to start stuff- with Aries it's a fight, with Capricorn it's a legacy. This is the only thing that they have in common- the race itself and the hungry need to prove yourself worthy of the championship.

They came across it in different ways.

Prost is mutable heavy, with an emphasis on Mercury. The planet of communication is an apt chart ruler for the Professor, who approached F1 as a literal chess game. He adjusted everything- the way his legs sat in the car, the shape and feel of the car and its parts, the people he was racing with- all in order to have a good game. He would get bored if he wasn't manipulating and optimizing the challenge of the game to his standards. He picked Senna because he would be great to race against, and it all comes back down to the love of the race.

Senna, on the other hand is ruled by a very happy Saturn in joy at his 12H. He is a "Fuck you AND all that you are" creature of old, a speed demon that could only ever live on a track, because he would cease to exist outside of it. He pushes what he has to its limits. He cares not for innovation when his purpose is to just be on the track and go, no matter who he was racing with or what he was racing on. He is hungry to win- and winning comes to him thoughtlessly, as though from a dream.

It wasn't until Prost retired that Senna realized that winning is only as fun as your opponent is good at it. Saturn in the 12H brings solidness to the disintegrating themes of that place- loss, grief, undoing, ego death- he thought he would not be affected by it. He has faced much, and tests of integrity never shook him.

However, Prost's secret (8H) politicking (Venus) was embodying this unknown part of his psyche. They express it in different ways, but both get tunnel vision on the track. The same level of intensity purpose and goal on the race. He did not realize it, due to the hermit-like nature of the 8H and the veiling nature of the 12H, which guided their synastry-- but Prost was doing things in secret that he could only ever dream of doing. They had the same hands- he would do it too, if he knew.

Oh, Prost had an ego Senna admired but couldn't stand (Pisces Sun conjunct his Venus); Prost resented the way that he had to think of ways to eke more speed out of the engine while Senna could just go and do it without recourse and come out fast (His Mercury Rx and MC, where Senna is an avatar of Mars in 1H Aquarius).

But in the end, it was all in service of the race. F1 The Sport. The God to whom which they offer all these shenanigans.

And when the Professor calculated his chances and clocked his time to go, he went, without hard feelings. Like Mercury, he can travel through worlds undeterred and nobody would stop him from going as much as nobody could prevent him from staying- neither the King of the Gods nor the Lord of the Underworld controlled Mercury's comings and goings.

It was a good race. And Senna with his Mars in the first house found no one else that could give it as good as Prost gets. He did not find equals in fellow fixed-martial Schumacher, nor did he find anything complementary in the Leonine ego of Piquet.

The dog steps back from the water and its reflection, out of view, found no one else to bark to.

Ayrton was the one who called Prost. When the Professor found out who he was speaking to, when he found that all of his burning questions during his time as an F1 racer were being answered by a third, unknown person he had never met before, residing in the body of his former competitor- he replied as Alain.

And that is that, no more, no less. We as outsiders will never be privy to people who share secrets (8H) and dreams (12H) with each other- such is the nature of those houses. I'm happy that Alain Prost never shared details of that last breakfast and chat with Ayrton Senna. He got to keep one last secret between the two of them. That, in itself, is a form of keeping someone alive.

Conclusion:

Unlike Prost, Senna caught the deadliest of racing bugs, one that is only present in a few racers today (namely Alonso, Hamilton, & Verstappen*). It is a bug that makes you care about nothing else but the game and how to keep playing it, and it is a bug that can only be cured by time. Not near-death experiences, or legacies, or lucrative business deals. Time. The enemy of speed. It lets you go when it lets you go, and not a moment too soon.

I honestly wanted to know what he would've done had he headed the Driver's Union. Would the halo or similar safety features been implemented earlier, if that was the case? A lot of regulations to the sport happened directly because of that weekend, and I could only speculate what it would look like today.

I don't think this rivalry and the Millenial-era one matched at all, despite the parallels. Alain talked about how he had given Toto Wolff tips on how to handle the rivalry between baby Brocedes when they first started fighting which helped some but not too much because of the difference of tension.

Brocedes was arguably worse as a rivalry because it was incredibly personal (Cancer and the Moon always is), to the point where it bled into their professional and public persona. The astrological energies Prosenna has is equally karmic, but by its nature less public- a quiet sort of understanding that can be put into words (especially since one is Mercury), but doesn't need to be.

The fight was brought on by external politics- Senna's paranoia that the companies were sabotaging his chances, egged on by what he thought was Prost's doing. Brocedes' fight started because of a miscommunication that they absolutely refused to keep understanding on. Prost talked about how he advised Toto Wolff on their rivalry in a 2021 interview on NR's YouTube, and how the advice helped but mainly did not stop the inevitable implosion.

What's the saying, it takes two to tango? The rivalry and competition was an agreement. Nobody would understand how angels pause to listen whenever they speak with each other. It would be useless to speak of it now.

And whatever happened, has already happened.

*I wonder when the racing bug will let Max go. Unlike the other bug-catchers, whose racing bugs gorged on the pulling-pushing of the crown from other people, he instead goes the way of Kimi Räikkönen, who cares not for anything about F1 The Event aside from the actual race itself. He is a self-regulating machine with no rival, which makes him a boring type of engine, despite what the Lestappen RPF girlies' well-written AUs would have us believe. And above all else, above the sport, even, the racing bug likes a big fight, which is always better with something that bites back. It is a gladiator spirit- and when one man is great at the massacre, what else is there to take pride or joy in? The youngers don't want to kill for glory as badly as they did in the olden days.