betterthanmasterofone

[betterthanmasterofone]

Saw a post today that made a good point but the op kept adding screenshots of tags/comments to say that mspec lesbians were not a valid label and that it was terf rhetoric to use those terms. And while yes, there was a terf argument that lesbians who date transwomen are really just bisexual/mspec, the term bi/pan lesbian is also used by people who are bisexual and also women or women/sapphic aligned non-binary people. Bi/pan women calling themselves bi/pan lesbians doesn’t mean that lesbians (people who use lesbian to describe themselves) are attracted to men or that lesbians who date trans women are bi/pan lesbians.

I don’t personally use bi lesbian to describe myself but imo it should be considered a valid label. Just because terfs have tried to weaponize it to further their own transphobia does not make the term inherently transphobic. Especially since the main problem with terfs weaponizing it was that they claimed every lesbian attracted to amab women/lesbians is mspec, not that mspec people exist.

I can see how some people would consider bi/pan lesbian to be a lesbophobic term because it includes people who are attracted to men. I think it depends however if you define lesbian more as any person who experiences wlw attraction or if you define it more as women who aren’t attracted men (the difference being one defines lesbianism by a lack of interest in men and the other defines it by interest in women). I personally don’t see a reason to exclude mspec women from the term lesbian or from lesbian spaces as there is more we have in common than things that are different. Additionally, unless mspec lesbians are entering lesbian spaces just to talk about their attraction to men or otherwise hijacking resources/spaces then I don’t see why it would even be an issue except that some people want to police the use of labels/identities when there is no actual harm being caused.

Additionally, mspec women have historically been part of lesbian spaces and there is significant evidence of this. So if your argument is based on “lesbian has never included people who experience attraction to men” then that’s not a valid argument either because they have always shared spaces.

Again, this is my opinion as a bi woman so if lesbians want to tell me that actually mspec lesbians taking over lesbian spaces to talk about non lesbian related topics is a huge issue then by all means correct me, but otherwise this seems like a non issue and the dogpiling/harassment or labelling as a terf of people I’ve seen against people who support mspec lesbians seems counterproductive and unnecessary to me.