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Why is Reincarnation coming for me like this

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Honestly if Vecna/Henry/001 is Elevens father it would add a whole lot to the story. I know a lot of people will think the father reveal story is overdone but it makes the most sense in why Vecna would be so invested in having Eleven to join him. I would rather go with the story that makes the most sense despite being overdone than pulling a twist that doesn’t make no sense at all.

I totally agree. I don´t know why people are so obsessed with the "but it has been done before!" concept. Like... what isn´t at this point? =P Vecna/Henry/001 being Eleven´s father would make so much sense with all the information we have and character´s behaviours, but this could also add some good (if well done) drama. We have only one season left after all...

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Rough 2d animation of body mechanic with Tifa? ( Final Fantasy VII ). Based on a video of a friend doing pole dance

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Practicing poses and use of color with Toon Boom Harmony

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(also i recorded my progress here)

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Duffer brothers Deadline interview and Vecna´s past (Stranger Things 4 SPOILERS)!

Deadline has published a new looong interview to Duffer brothers (it´s really interesting, I recommend it). But! Things that got my interest and keep me hyped as hell:

DEADLINE: Did Dr. Martin Brenner not know that this kid killed his family and framed his father, or did this kid’s sociopathic potential offer Brenner an opportunity to really mold a weapon without a conscience?

MATT DUFFER: The second, really. He knew what this kid did and also what he was capable of when he was young. Brenner’s going, how can I mold this character, but not just into a weapon? That’s really how he sold it to the government, but for him as a scientist, it’s like, what other worlds can this kid show me about how our universe works? So, he’s really just that scientist who’s not really thinking about the consequences. He just keeps pushing, pushing, pushing, and he’s using the government’s money by saying hey we can fight the Soviets with this kid. It’s something we will get into in Season 5. What happened to that program once Henry became involved and how Brenner evolved it into including multiple kids. We’re going to go back and see some of that in Season 5.

They are going to touch Henry´s past in the lab and the MKUltra Project (I have already written a theory about this here)!!!

They also said that some "revelations" were purposedly left out for last season and that they kept "One" name under chains since the beginning (they also kind of implied that they don´t actually read or participate in the making of "comic books and side merchandising". They only approbe the ideas that the authors come them with.

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Do you have any fanfiction about Peter being Eleven’s father? Thank you!

Hi! I have seen Peter and Eleven sibling-like (or enemies, of course) fanfictions by now. I guess it´s a matter of time until some begin to surge... I hope so =___) You can always read the ones portraying them like siblings and imagining that there is something "hidden" deep down... Some of them (in AO3) are already kind of cute. And thank you for writing!

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Vecna and emotions (Stranger Things 4 SPOILERS)

Today I´m going to write a bit about Vecna/001/Henry Creel psyche. We know he can see people dark secrets and traumas, and he takes advantage of them for killing/absorbing that person.

But what about positive emotions? Eleven and Max, on the other hand, achieve to defeat 001/Vecna because they went to their positive memories, about their loved ones. Sometimes (Max case), those are linked to music, which also weakens Vecna.

So we have here two possible ways of defeating the (for now, at least) main enemy: positive feelings/memories and music. But why is that?

Eleven tried to do one of these, telling Vecna that Papa had died and that he was not at fault for being a monster (so, she tried to go to his good emotional side, if there is even one). Well, that´s not totally true (Henry Creel had killed before Breener entered on scene), but Vecna corrected Eleven telling her that was HER doing, without making any reference to his own past. Vecna´s past is (Creel house incident apart) still one hell of a mystery, and I guess Duffer brothers let this out in this scene on purpose.

So... does have Vecna/001/Henry Creel positive feelings or memories? About memories, we still don´t know. His parents looked nice people, but his father killed civilians at war (and he knew that) and his mother wanted to put him inside of an asylum, so I guess his memories of them are not really that positive (and we still don´t know where his powers come from, so there is also the possibility that his mother was also part of an experiment, Terry Ive´s style, and he found that inside her mind, too). And I completely discard memories of Brenner and the lab, which he openly despised (with reason). 

Vecna´s actor, Jamie Campbell Bower, has told recently on interviews that Vecna STILL has some humanity (at least in his opinion) and that he loves and loathes Eleven (not in a romantic way, of course), but does not feel anything for Papa (nor for anybody else, apparently). Also that Eleven and 001 have a sibling-like relationship. I still wonder why does he love Eleven, though (the loathe part is understandable because she betrayed and defeated him)...

I mean, if you look at your popular movies/series/videogames/whatever, big narcisist villains, who usually have God complex, don´t even know about the main character existence prior their defeat. Freezer/Vegeta and Goku from Dragon Ball, for example: Goku is a low class warrior, a lot less powerful than them. They don´t even know about his existence. But Goku (the apparently common and weak protag who deep inside has more power than anybody else is a common trope in the heroe´s becoming) defeat them and from that point on they almost get obsessed with him. Sephiroth and Cloud from Final Fantasy VII are the same. But in Vecna/001´s case he already loved and protected Eleven, when she was still apparently a weakling and one of the most mediocre of the experiments. Freezer took notice of Vegeta, a prince and a warrior at the top of the class, not Goku; and Sephiroth befriended 1st Soldier Zack, not Cloud. Hope Duffer brothers have an answer to this and not the typical plot convenience (001 HAD to love and protect Eleven so he could free her and stablish some kind of relationship between them without more explanation... I would believe something like that if 001/Vecna was an empathetic character, or the menthor figure (ala Hopper), not the narcisist/big villain one). 

I think Vecna/001/Henry Creel´s positive memories (and probably their link to music?) will take a part in season 5. Maybe, if he posses Will and/or Max, they will find out. Coincidentally (isn´t it?), Eleven´s most fond memory, which let her defeat 001, was her birth and her mother´s words. 001 himself had just told Eleven that he had been really REALLY glad because of her birth, just a few moments before she reminded that.  And that´s why, again, I firmly believe he is Eleven ´s father (or at least should be related to her someway... And I don´t know about the sibling-thing, cause he did not feel anything for the rest of the children there and in fact killed them without hesitation, even the youngest...). Yeah, I have my clown makeup ready.

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About Vecna´s motivation (towards Eleven). Stranger Things 4 SPOILERS

And here comes today´s entry about Vecna/001/Henry Creel (and there are “only” 2 years left till season 5... sigh).

Yesterday I was talking with my pal about why Vecna has not killed Eleven (yet?), when he has had more than one opportunity to do so. 

The thing is... 001 REALLY helped Eleven. I mean, he was clearly manipulating her, but the help was also undeniable, For example, when he tells her that some rest or distraction sometimes is better or the thing about a sad and infuriating memory (he... did not need to say that? He was also tortured by Brenner after he saw them talking like that). Or when he advices her that 002 and the others plan to kill her after he has recovered. The thing is... he tried to get her out of the lab because of that (before 002 should go out of the nurse and kill her... oh, and that was a credible possibility, by the way). 001 even shows 011 the tunnel out (how did he know the way? Hmmm), even if he couldn´t scape with her himself because of Soteria. What if 011 had accepted and ran away then? 001 would stay still in the lab and she could have scaped before the events of Stranger Things (and getting killed by 002). Here also comes to my mind the fact that only 2 years before that (in 1977, as Becky Ives told Hopper and Joyce in season 1) Terry Ives tried to get 011 out of the lab herself, but without success (a situation that 001 is aware of...). So... yes, 001 was manipulating her, but also genuinely helping her. But why?

The only valid reason I find  by now is that they are related (I have previously written about this here, here and here). Because if 001 is just identifying himself with her (because, not forget, he is a BIG narcisist)... how and when did this begin? 011 is not that similar to 001. Will, for example, is (and that´s probably why Vecna went after him first once he “had controled” the Upside Down...). She was one of the weakest subjects at first glance, good natured and kind. Even physically they are not that similar (011´s eyes and hair colour comes from her mother and aunt). The only similarity is that 001 felt attacked during his childhood, but even then we have not seen him being bullied (like Eleven was...). And I doubt very much that the rest of children subjects were not also attacked in one way or the other (they are experiments, after all...). Eleven and Will are not that similar, either. So... where are the supposed similarities that 001 would have seen in 011? That´s why I also think 011 is his child, because that´s where the attachment should come from. More so in a narcisist, who probably thinks his child is an extension of him.

Let´s see now the differences between Vecna´s approach to 011 and to Will (who, yeah, is more similar to Henry Creel...). Vecna has not shown any hesitation in possessing Will (because I think this was Vecna´s doing all this time), even if that ends in Will´s ultimate death. But he has not shown any interest in possessing 011. In fact, looks like he does not want to kill her. The only time we have seen 001 almost killing 011 was when she discovered his massacre in the lab and almost frustrated his scape (he also procured that she was not involved in this before, by the way...). And even then he took his time (and thanks to that she could finally defeat him). He even mutters “that was not supposed to end like this” twice (one in 4x07 and in 4x09). In 4x09 also he does not pretend to kill her (even if he himseld has noticed that they are “not that similar”), but to punish her (because of what he feels like her “betrayal”) by watching how he kills her friends and destroys the world. Which is a very psycho and narcisist thing to do: you are not going to kill your “little you”, but he is trying to dominate her.

 The other “weird” thing in Vecna´s behaviour towards 011 is that... he is pretty “touchy” with her? And I don´t think that´s in a sexual way (uuuuuuugggggggh she is 9-14, for God´s sake...). In 4x07 he is often touching her, like grabbing her hand when they are running out, or by the end when she discovers him and he touchs her face in a clearly condescendent way. In 4x09 he also touchs her face, but in a (well, apart from creepy, which it is) “tender” way, because you can see his hand clearing her tears. He does not touch Max (uuugh...) like that (even if there is some creepiness, too) nor Nancy. These remind me the ways a father would console his crying child (creepiness apart in this case, of course...). 

So, I think the purpose of Vecna towards Eleven is that he joins him in his destroying of the world (like he himself has said), because he must think that she is his extension, his creation, his Henry Creel 2.0. Somewhat like Vader wanted Luke to join him and rule the galaxy together “like father and son”. I think this will be fundamental in Vecna´s definitelly defeat in season 5.

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A 001 and MKUltra project (funny) fan theory

Ok, now that I firmly believe that 001 is Eleven´s father (more info about that here and here), I was just thinking about some questions that have not been (yet) answered. I remind that this is just a fan theory and having some fun… Oh, and there will be Stranger Things SPOILERS (and a long post, probably) ahead:

Well, we know these facts and dates:

1947: Henry Creel is born

1951: Terry Ives is born

1959: Dr. Brenner obtains Henry Creel (after he killed all his family but his father) for his MKUltra Project, creating the subject 001

1964: Kali Prasad/008 is born

1969: Terry Ives joins MKUltra Project

1971: Jane Ives/Eleven is born

1977: Terry Ives tries to get Eleven/Jane from the lab, without success. Brenner orders electroshock to her until her brain is fried. 

1979: 001 and 011/Eleven try to run away from the lab. 001 kills all the other subjects (but Eleven, who finally defeats and sends him to the Upside Down).

So I have some questions regarding all this information… Questions I think have not been answered:

1. Why and when was Soteria (the chip which weakens and monitorizes him) implanted in 001?

2. Why is such a time space between 001 and 002 ages? 002 is a teenager at most in 1979, while 001 is 33. All the other subjects from 002 don´t have such difference in ages (but why aren´t there other babies like Eleven when she was kidnapped into the project?)….

3. Why Dr. Brenner wanted Eleven since the very moment she was born? He took the risks of kidnapping a baby (and he was sued for that) without being really sure that she would be THAT powerful (and Eleven was, in fact, one of the less powerful children at first glance). But Brenner (and 001) did not think so… why? Did they know something?

4. Apparently, only Terry Ives sued Dr. Brenner for kidnapping her child… But what about the other parents of the other subjects? Kidnapping a new born baby is something really risky and (I think?) not that easy thing to do (new born babies are usually in hospitals and monitorized, after all)… Are you telling me that Dr. Brenner and his team were from 1965 (lets say that 002 is 15 at most in 1979) to 1975 (the last subject in 1979 was 5 at most) kidnapping babies around the world without being noticed??? Apparently, Kali/008 was kidnapped when she was 5 in 1969, but (I think?) this is written in Suspicious Minds book, which although official is susceptible of being retconned (similar to Star Wars or Doctor Who books and other franchises). So I take this with a grain of salt.

5. Why Vecna/001, who is trying to catch Eleven´s attention and knew who her mother was, did not attack Terry Ives? She is also a really easy victim, because she is already trapped into her own trauma… Perhaps because she is not in Hawkins or for other motives?

I think MKUltra project passed through different stages, and Brenner and his team were changing the main subjects, methodology and probably purposes as time passed. Having all these facts on check, I think he began his project having in mind the possibility that some people were born with powers (like the true MK Ultra Project…). Then Henry Creel, 12 years old, made an appearance in all his glory after killing his family. Perfect oportunity for Dr. Brenner. So he gained Henry´s custody and transformed him in 001, his main subject.

As 001 “cooperated” with MKUltra project, Brenner did not feel the necessity of obtaining other subjects (Henry is considered the most powerful of them all, after all). But something happened that 001 revealed (or tried to scape from) Dr. Brenner. What could be?

Then Terry Ives, 18 years old, enters in scene. She (and others, including men) volunteered for MKUltra project in 1969 (photo below.. and yeah, there were men): 

Why, if Terry Ives (who also had powers) and others were participants of the MKUltra project in 1969, did not receive a code number, like 001? Because around that time the main subject of the project was still 001 and he was still under Dr. Brenner´s control. And because Ives and the other volunteers were also clearly adults (but we don´t see other adults, but 001, in the MKUltra Project in 1979). So the main subjects of the project in 1969 were apparently not children (yet), cause 002 (who would have been born at that time) did not recognize Peter Ballard as 001 in 1979 (and I don´t know about Kali, cause she was not around in 1979, but 001 did know her… The most logical thought would be that she did not know him because 002, 003… and so on also didn´t -and Papa had told them that he was dead-).

Ok, so we are in 1969 and we have 001 as the main subject of the program and a bunch of volunteers, clearly grown ups men and women. There are three possibilities here, IMO, having in mind that:

- 001 tells 011 that Papa tried to control him, and because he couldn´t, then he tried to recreate him… He could mean this in a literal or simbolic way. So 001 confronted Brenner in some way (we still don´t know how, do we?) and then Soteria was implanted in him/his co-worker in the lab persona was created. This should have happened before 002 entered on scene. 

So:

1- 001 revealed versus Papa BEFORE 1969 (but I don´t know how this could be relevant to Stranger Things plot at this point -we have only one season left-… I mean, why would I want to know more about a creepy guy who has killed children -and Max…- and has just recently appeared if he is not related to somebody from the main cast??). Brenner implanted the Soteria inside him, began to kidnap other children with powers around the world (because 001 was almost useless then), some adults volunteered into the program (for what, if you have the more maleable children at your dispose? No idea…) and Terry Ives became pregnant during this, Eleven was born. And that´s it. This would be the easiest (and most probably, really) way, but would not answer all the questions and some attitudes then would seem weird or forced to me.

2-  All the volunteers adults were transfused with 001´s blood/DNA/sperm/whatever, as Brenner was trying to recreate 001 after he had lost control over him (before 1969)… But this is suspicious, cause there were also men… Because of that, and the fact that there were various children subjects that were clearly not caucasian (and the Kali/008 case), I would discard the insemmination/DNA theory. But then, why the age difference between 001 and the others and the “When Papa finally realized that he could not control me, he tried to recreat me”?? 

3- 001, 22 years old, was still the main subject in 1969 and Brenner and his team were trying to do more research between consensual adults (that´s still unethical, but a lot less so that kidnapping children… And Henry Creel was not exactly kidnapped, by the way). Terry Ives came into the program and she met 001, they felt some attraction (uh, that´s possible… psychopaths have families even in real life) and she became pregnant in 1970. And here would come the moment when Papa lost control over 001: he (and Terry, obviously) knew that she was pregnant, they tried to run away from the lab… but they were caught. And then Soteria was implanted into 001, he began to work more like an officer in the lab and Terry Ives was still forced into the project until she almost ended her pregnancy, then Brenner kidnapped the new born baby (knowing who she was since the beginning, obviously). And then he and his team decided that it was better and more secure to kidnap other children (born between 1965-1975), who had already given proof of having powers. 

Point 3 could also make references to some 1970s cult movies such as Badlands (1973), Logan´s Run (1976) or heck, even The Terminator (1984). This and also point 2 would make an homage to Firestarter (1984) and, of course, The Empire Strikes Back (1980)…

Lastly, I have not read Suspicious Minds, but even if they finally decide to make all of this canon, it´s still possible for 001 to be Eleven´s father. If the information I have recollected is correct, Terry Ive´s boyfriend Andrew Rich was sent to Vietnam War in May 1970… and Eleven was born in June 1971. If my maths don´t go wrong, those are more than 9 months (perfectly on time for Terry finding consolation with somebody else hehehehehe..). 

Seriously, what a weird thing to say for a guy who has been pretty much in a lab since he was 12… Unless he REALLY meant that (he looked stressed as he said that line): his monotonous living in the lab (wake up, eat, sleep), then meeting Terry and impregnating her (reproduce) and finally getting caught and implanted with Soteria/being Peter Ballard (and die…).

P.S.: Sorry for my bad grammar in this loooong post, english is not my first language.

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A 001 and MKUltra project (funny) fan theory

Ok, now that I firmly believe that 001 is Eleven´s father (more info about that here and here), I was just thinking about some questions that have not been (yet) answered. I remind that this is just a fan theory and having some fun... Oh, and there will be Stranger Things SPOILERS (and a long post, probably) ahead:

Well, we know these facts and dates:

1947: Henry Creel is born

1951: Terry Ives is born

1959: Dr. Brenner obtains Henry Creel (after he killed all his family but his father) for his MKUltra Project, creating the subject 001

1964: Kali Prasad/008 is born

1969: Terry Ives joins MKUltra Project

1971: Jane Ives/Eleven is born

1977: Terry Ives tries to get Eleven/Jane from the lab, without success. Brenner orders electroshock to her until her brain is fried. 

1979: 001 and 011/Eleven try to run away from the lab. 001 kills all the other subjects (but Eleven, who finally defeats and sends him to the Upside Down).

So I have some questions regarding all this information... Questions I think have not been answered:

1. Why and when was Soteria (the chip which weakens and monitorizes him) implanted in 001?

2. Why is such a time space between 001 and 002 ages? 002 is a teenager at most in 1979, while 001 is 33. All the other subjects from 002 don´t have such difference in ages (but why aren´t there other babies like Eleven when she was kidnapped into the project?)....

3. Why Dr. Brenner wanted Eleven since the very moment she was born? He took the risks of kidnapping a baby (and he was sued for that) without being really sure that she would be THAT powerful (and Eleven was, in fact, one of the less powerful children at first glance). But Brenner (and 001) did not think so... why? Did they know something?

4. Apparently, only Terry Ives sued Dr. Brenner for kidnapping her child... But what about the other parents of the other subjects? Kidnapping a new born baby is something really risky and (I think?) not that easy thing to do (new born babies are usually in hospitals and monitorized, after all)... Are you telling me that Dr. Brenner and his team were from 1965 (lets say that 002 is 15 at most in 1979) to 1975 (the last subject in 1979 was 5 at most) kidnapping babies around the world without being noticed??? Apparently, Kali/008 was kidnapped when she was 5 in 1969, but (I think?) this is written in Suspicious Minds book, which although official is susceptible of being retconned (similar to Star Wars or Doctor Who books and other franchises). So I take this with a grain of salt.

5. Why Vecna/001, who is trying to catch Eleven´s attention and knew who her mother was, did not attack Terry Ives? She is also a really easy victim, because she is already trapped into her own trauma... Perhaps because she is not in Hawkins or for other motives?

I think MKUltra project passed through different stages, and Brenner and his team were changing the main subjects, methodology and probably purposes as time passed. Having all these facts on check, I think he began his project having in mind the possibility that some people were born with powers (like the true MK Ultra Project...). Then Henry Creel, 12 years old, made an appearance in all his glory after killing his family. Perfect oportunity for Dr. Brenner. So he gained Henry´s custody and transformed him in 001, his main subject.

As 001 “cooperated” with MKUltra project, Brenner did not feel the necessity of obtaining other subjects (Henry is considered the most powerful of them all, after all). But something happened that 001 revealed (or tried to scape from) Dr. Brenner. What could be?

Then Terry Ives, 18 years old, enters in scene. She (and others, including men) volunteered for MKUltra project in 1969 (photo below.. and yeah, there were men): 

Why, if Terry Ives (who also had powers) and others were participants of the MKUltra project in 1969, did not receive a code number, like 001? Because around that time the main subject of the project was still 001 and he was still under Dr. Brenner´s control. And because Ives and the other volunteers were also clearly adults (but we don´t see other adults, but 001, in the MKUltra Project in 1979). So the main subjects of the project in 1969 were apparently not children (yet), cause 002 (who would have been born at that time) did not recognize Peter Ballard as 001 in 1979 (and I don´t know about Kali, cause she was not around in 1979, but 001 did know her... The most logical thought would be that she did not know him because 002, 003... and so on also didn´t -and Papa had told them that he was dead-).

Ok, so we are in 1969 and we have 001 as the main subject of the program and a bunch of volunteers, clearly grown ups men and women. There are three possibilities here, IMO, having in mind that:

- 001 tells 011 that Papa tried to control him, and because he couldn´t, then he tried to recreate him... He could mean this in a literal or simbolic way. So 001 confronted Brenner in some way (we still don´t know how, do we?) and then Soteria was implanted in him/his co-worker in the lab persona was created. This should have happened before 002 entered on scene. 

So:

1- 001 revealed versus Papa BEFORE 1969 (but I don´t know how this could be relevant to Stranger Things plot at this point -we have only one season left-... I mean, why would I want to know more about a creepy guy who has killed children -and Max...- and has just recently appeared if he is not related to somebody from the main cast??). Brenner implanted the Soteria inside him, began to kidnap other children with powers around the world (because 001 was almost useless then), some adults volunteered into the program (for what, if you have the more maleable children at your dispose? No idea...) and Terry Ives became pregnant during this, Eleven was born. And that´s it. This would be the easiest (and most probably, really) way, but would not answer all the questions and some attitudes then would seem weird or forced to me.

2-  All the volunteers adults were transfused with 001´s blood/DNA/sperm/whatever, as Brenner was trying to recreate 001 after he had lost control over him (before 1969)... But this is suspicious, cause there were also men... Because of that, and the fact that there were various children subjects that were clearly not caucasian (and the Kali/008 case), I would discard the insemmination/DNA theory. But then, why the age difference between 001 and the others and the “When Papa finally realized that he could not control me, he tried to recreat me”?? 

3- 001, 22 years old, was still the main subject in 1969 and Brenner and his team were trying to do more research between consensual adults (that´s still unethical, but a lot less so that kidnapping children... And Henry Creel was not exactly kidnapped, by the way). Terry Ives came into the program and she met 001, they felt some attraction (uh, that´s possible... psychopaths have families even in real life) and she became pregnant in 1970. And here would come the moment when Papa lost control over 001: he (and Terry, obviously) knew that she was pregnant, they tried to run away from the lab... but they were caught. And then Soteria was implanted into 001, he began to work more like an officer in the lab and Terry Ives was still forced into the project until she almost ended her pregnancy, then Brenner kidnapped the new born baby (knowing who she was since the beginning, obviously). And then he and his team decided that it was better and more secure to kidnap other children (born between 1965-1975), who had already given proof of having powers. 

Point 3 could also make references to some 1970s cult movies such as Badlands (1973), Logan´s Run (1976) or heck, even The Terminator (1984). This and also point 2 would make an homage to Firestarter (1984) and, of course, The Empire Strikes Back (1980)...

Lastly, I have not read Suspicious Minds, but even if they finally decide to make all of this canon, it´s still possible for 001 to be Eleven´s father. If the information I have recollected is correct, Terry Ive´s boyfriend Andrew Rich was sent to Vietnam War in May 1970... and Eleven was born in June 1971. If my maths don´t go wrong, those are more than 9 months (perfectly on time for Terry finding consolation with somebody else hehehehehe..). 

Seriously, what a weird thing to say for a guy who has been pretty much in a lab since he was 12... Unless he REALLY meant that (he looked stressed as he said that line): his monotonous living in the lab (wake up, eat, sleep), then meeting Terry and impregnating her (reproduce) and finally getting caught and implanted with Soteria/being Peter Ballard (and die...).

P.S.: Sorry for my bad grammar in this loooong post, english is not my first language.

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About Vecna and Eleven: Stranger Things Season 4 Volume 2 SPOILERS!

Ok, about One being Eleven´s father… that´s still not confirmed (and it´s just a fan theory), but Eleven´s hand movements when she was fighting the military helicopter were really similar to One´s just one episode ago:

Oh, they also did the same thing with the neck…

I mean, that´s probably just a fan theory (and Brenner was definitely the “Papa” of this season…), but the similarities had to be done on purpouse. Aaaand if Vecna/001/Henry Creel (thank you, Robin and Steve) is not Eleven´s father, his interactions with her in 04x09 would be super creepy (they already are… but even more???). I hope Terry Ives still appears in 5th season, by the way.

EDIT:

Also when Eleven is confronting Brenner (04x08), there is some curious montage of scenes just right after she says she thought she was a monster (so, she was still thinking about herself and not about Brenner): first the electroshock to her mother (Terry), then the electroshock to Henry and finally Eleven shouting “Papa!”. I mean, we have also seen Brenner making the other kids fight each other (and Eleven being a participant there) and such, but these did not appear… Hmmmmm (nah, probably just overthinking too much…)

EDIT ver. 2.0: Another thing that got my attention in 04x08. Brenner tells Eleven after she regained her memories that “like One, you had pushed yourself beyond your limit. And this nearly destroyed you. But that´s where your similarities ended”, which I think is a very random thing to say… Like, when exactly One pushed himself beyond his limit to the point that he nearly destroyed himself? I guess Brenner meant the Creel house incident, but I don´t get how this event keeps any similarity with Eleven, who (unlike Henry) has always been a good natured person. Henry also showed his powers without any training (well… killing little animals, I guess?) since he was a boy, but Eleven was (until that point at least) one of the less powerful kids around there. So One saw something in Eleven that others (including Brenner) did not, and he saw himself in Eleven for other motives… and/or Brenner is trying to keep Eleven away from Henry saying that they have almost nothing in common (a perspective which contradicts Henry´s). 

In conclusion, my impression is that Brenner was trying to keep One and Eleven away from each other (in season 4 volume 1 he punished One after he had seen him talking privately with Eleven…), but I still don´t get why. Nah, probably just overthinking too much. AGAIN.

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I still think they could do a reveal of Vecna being Elevens father. I still think Vecna is Elevens father although it’s still a fan theory. There’s a lot of Star Wars references this season . I just find Vecna attachment to Eleven odd if it doesn’t have something to do with him being related to her in some way.

Stranger Things 4 vol. 2 SPOILERS, just in case... Yeah, I have the same opinion (specially if 5th season is going to be divided in two parts like the 4th one -something still not known, by the way-, so such a revelation could be going perfectly there).

Vecna/One´s preference for Eleven does not make any sense if there is nothing more going on... Like, Eleven is too weak at first glance and Henry is not an empathetic person (on the other hand, he is a narcisist, so he overstimates himself and his powers, as we can see in the Creel house incident). Why would a narcisist take notice and help a weakling, when he has like a dozen of stronger, also maleable and traumatized, kids around him? And he is still reticent about killing Eleven when he is Vecna (and has been defeated by her). He wants her to join him instead, ala Vader with Luke. If Eleven is his child, and he is a narcisist, it makes sense that he would not want to destroy her, because probably he sees her like some extension of him.

One also remarked the reproduction part in his monologue about the absurdity of life (so probably he is also a nihilistic, like a lot of anime/manga/JRPG villains). And he was talking to Eleven there. So I don´t know why the Duffer brothers would put such a part in this dialogue if that meant nothing (a lot of animals can live a full life without reproduction, you know).

Finally, I can´t see how Vecna could be defeated at this point. Maybe recovering Max soul (but I assume there are other people in Hawkins with traumas...)? Maybe with help from other surviving powerful children, like Kali? Maybe with Will doing finally SOMETHING? Or... maybe Eleven will find a weakness in Vecna, and that weakness is precisely she (or the perspective of she as some Henry 2.0 from his POV)? Billy and Brenner showed their weakness and they  both were pr*cks, so... And I think Terry Ives will take some part in the finale, too, because she is remembered in all seasons and her actual situation is one of the cruelest, unfairest in all the series.

EDIT: I would also like to take the opportunity to remark how in this scene Jamie Cambell Bower (who is a fantastic actor, by the way) looks to the way and downs his gaze only in two occassions: first when he is talking about his story in the lab (”it doesn´t have a happy ending, I´m afraid”) and the other is when he talks about Eleven´s mother. The rest of the time he is looking directly, imperturbably and fixingly at Eleven´s gaze, something typical of narcisists and manipulators (so I understand he pitied himself... but Eleven´s mother? Why?). Looking down is usually done because we want to hide something, shyness (I would discard this one for this case) or some form of pity/pain/reflection:

P.S.: Could we also watch some kind of confrontation between Hopper and (other) father of Eleven? I think that was a lost opportunity with Brenner....

[anaalonsoartist]

About Vecna and Eleven: Stranger Things Season 4 Volume 2 SPOILERS!

Ok, about One being Eleven´s father... that´s still not confirmed (and it´s just a fan theory), but Eleven´s hand movements when she was fighting the military helicopter were really similar to One´s just one episode ago:

Oh, they also did the same thing with the neck...

I mean, that´s probably just a fan theory (and Brenner was definitely the “Papa” of this season...), but the similarities had to be done on purpouse. Aaaand if Vecna/001/Henry Creel (thank you, Robin and Steve) is not Eleven´s father, his interactions with her in 04x09 would be super creepy (they already are... but even more???). I hope Terry Ives still appears in 5th season, by the way.

EDIT:

Also when Eleven is confronting Brenner (04x08), there is some curious montage of scenes just right after she says she thought she was a monster (so, she was still thinking about herself and not about Brenner): first the electroshock to her mother (Terry), then the electroshock to Henry and finally Eleven shouting “Papa!”. I mean, we have also seen Brenner making the other kids fight each other (and Eleven being a participant there) and such, but these did not appear... Hmmmmm (nah, probably just overthinking too much...)

EDIT ver. 2.0: Another thing that got my attention in 04x08. Brenner tells Eleven after she regained her memories that “like One, you had pushed yourself beyond your limit. And this nearly destroyed you. But that´s where your similarities ended”, which I think is a very random thing to say... Like, when exactly One pushed himself beyond his limit to the point that he nearly destroyed himself? I guess Brenner meant the Creel house incident, but I don´t get how this event keeps any similarity with Eleven, who (unlike Henry) has always been a good natured person. Henry also showed his powers without any training (well... killing little animals, I guess?) since he was a boy, but Eleven was (until that point at least) one of the less powerful kids around there. So One saw something in Eleven that others (including Brenner) did not, and he saw himself in Eleven for other motives... and/or Brenner is trying to keep Eleven away from Henry saying that they have almost nothing in common (a perspective which contradicts Henry´s). 

In conclusion, my impression is that Brenner was trying to keep One and Eleven away from each other (in season 4 volume 1 he punished One after he had seen him talking privately with Eleven...), but I still don´t get why. Nah, probably just overthinking too much. AGAIN.

[anaalonsoartist]

About 001 being 11´s father...

I just read this theory yesterady and now I´m totally on board with it. I can already see all the Anakin/Vader references...

I should also add that Anakin was the Chosen ONE, he killed children (sigh...) and Vader has a sonority pretty similar to Vecna (ok, the last one is a bit of a stretch ^^U)

[anaalonsoartist]

If the One = Eleven´s biological father theory is correct, they are going to give me same vibes...

[anaalonsoartist]

A new 3D animation for the monthly challenge in which I have practiced some body mechanics (different ways of running and walking), camera movement and lightning. Rigs made by Gabriel Salas, the ball one by Perry Leijten and the stadium by Crabnuts. Thank you everybody!