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[yuyunderground]

this.

wow when I thought yunhee couldn't get worse as an author. she does

I've talked about how useless its been to make minho go thro all these shenanigans then ultimately making him choose to return to wk even tho he's very aware of how dangerous he is (I can't even call this Stockholm) and how his initial problems before sb bl (lake of self esteem) hasn't been fixed either I know the environment isn't exactly enabling him to.

but why are making bothering making a whole story about a character you clearly villainized if you are not going to give them any growth (his CD is either negative or consistent) and it doesn't get any better

then ch36 comes making all about duna but that it was one of the few positive CD for minho I genuinely thought "things gonna get better for him from this point"

only for the series to be ended after 2 chaps

ah,

not only that duna and fatso in og sb both got there novels published at the end

so why not minho?

I am completely convinced that sb bl was wet another way to unnecessary trature her ex and to make herself in the positive light

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my heart rn:

[yuyunderground]

she did it y'all she completely shit all over it

* spoilers *

not even after a week or a day noo just right after he got out he gave his mother a speech about his love for minho?.. weren't the one saying you don't want to see his face ever again?... k. just like that he said all this stuff in ch36 in hopes that minho cuts him and tells him how much he needs him? like seeing how his mom acts with him it makes sense but what doesn't how he's so oblivious about everything he's done... truly so gross(I get that it's prob from his mom abuse thats why he doesn't apologize when he hits him but his mom surely didn't rape him)

then comes minho poor minho he rly doesn't deserve what author is doing with his character she makes him regrets which is great then makes other single decisions he makes either good or bad flips so heinously on him resulting in giving him more truma and after all that when he leaves he still so impacted by past insecurities? I thought we were well past that? ( so author did all this for what👀) that he's so convinced noone will ever like him and even still pretty much suicidal. he also tells wk that he's the 5th most important person in his life like who's the other 4? did I miss sum? fr who? duna who raped u? or your dad who neglected and disowned u? taijoo who pretty much only cares about money? the only appropriate person will be the fat guy but again they all don't want anything to do with u so why put them author???they are so obsessed with the past its scary(I also get that things like deep rooted trauma & inscurites and suicidal ideals don't just go away like that and need professional help but therapy pretty much is nonexistental in sb and she made minho go thro disgusting shit to essentially makes him go past what he did in the past but nope it's all to no avail)

there's so much I wouldve love the menhwa to go thru like again minho's backstory more of wk's too especially about the sa part in high school that author didn't bother to bring it up again its like she completely forgot about it also wk's scare oh.. and they never even have single consual sex where both of them like it.... like I can't.. I can't

[yuyunderground]

this is pretty late but aron't really care so

there's a lot of things that don't make a whole lot of sense in sb becuzz welll author decided to write more self-gratification less actual story the becomes prominate in og sb becus dona in it obviously but what really make it more obvious is when she insert dona to sb bl

like it made sense for minho to be dreaming about her and calling for her given that anyone and under any condition would be better than wk and he did to him for the first half of the story+also minho's nature didn't allow him to have friends or people to lean on making dona the only person whom he had been the most physically and emotionally vulnerable in front off(I still think it shouldn't have been a thing in the fp becus why would u want type1 abuse instead of type2 abuse? oohh right becus author doesn't thing duna saing eyerone is a crime😎)

but then minho has near death experience and the only one that appears in it is dona in stay at home girlfriend update like is this supposed to make me feel bad for her???cause I don't 😩 bitch doesn't deserve her poistion aron't care that she's talented elvis too was talented so what? it just implies that what he did to her back in uni is the vailest of his mistakes and he shall forever be carrying that guilt (also he already apologized and said his truth to her face in the latest Chaps of og sb sooo bring it back just feels like dragging it and well self gratification lol) it's also not the first time when she tried to do that, the line "you should've treated dona better" by wk so he could lose interest or whatever the fuck is sooo dump cause 1 minho was equally shity to everyone one 2 he still even if he only treated her good that wouldn't erase his insecurities he would be still jealous of her and therefor wouldn't save him from wk

I wouldn't have disliked it so much if it included other mistakes he has made like stealing pilgrims his attitude work ethic his damn insecurities ?? sucha lost chance to explore more of his character ideally speaking it should've been his backstory something that he should have gotten from the beginning as protagonist but got glossed over

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I mean he's homeless now by any mean minho won't come back unless it is for money or maybe wk will give a compensation or sum idk how they will settle this up

maann I really don't care when she end it buttt ending it early just gives this feelings that she's going to just rush and we will likely end up with yet another underwhalming ending (same thing happened with og sb and sb gl)

and there's just so much more to untackle from wk family to minho&wk healing and self discovery I whole heartedly don't think he will improve as person unitle he cuts the root cause of all his issues his mom+yeah you can see he kinda improved in away that he started to understand and acknowledge his feelings but he still doesn't fully understand others feelings he still yet to make a decision that doesn't involve him or just isn't out of selfishness (he left minho becz HE couldn't handle it anymore not becz its the best for minho)

Anywho, will they remain broken up? Will they end up together? I genuinely cant tell!

[yuyunderground]

I really don't care atp I just want minho happy & doing the absolute best in his life

fr? thats really brave of her seeing how much the bl is gushing her cash (with all this merch&shit) I really didn't think she would put an end date to it tho

Anywho, will they remain broken up? Will they end up together? I genuinely cant tell!

[yuyunderground]

omg I looooveee the homeless aesthetic my favorite aesthetic ✨💪🏼

anyhow... I love how wk first instinct to minho waking up is aggressively ask him if he remembers anything and his health condition... then he fucks off then come back again just to tell minho to get out of his life...

like broooo you kept him hostage you fucked him up bruh you are why both of you are here bruh why you acting like he's Barden all of the sudden

all of that was just soooo on brand for him that I am not supprised im just baffled at how predictable this shit gets:O

no it's not becs "he can't takes it anymore" it's becz he feeling guilty😩 he just doesn't recognize it all of that is just new for him that he doesn't know how to processes it..

I am just so happy that am getting what I wanted in a weird way like thank you? they finally are getting a divorc-..a break yeeee yeah finally a break from all this toxicity

[yuyunderground]

I know amma still call it tho out cuz guess what?

you don't choice to give or to not give aftermath to characters when u subject them to something as heavy as rape otherwise your work will come off highly unrealistic

in my first post the "lack of visibility of sa trauma and aftermath" was mostly about sb bl (from my pov) I think wk assault in og sb was just to make duna look like the savoir and the "better one" for doing the bare minimum lmfao

yea thats right but I think you missed a point here the main purpose of my first post was to criticize the way story is taken and what events she choses from the beginning minho's position in sb world didn't change he is still just a punchingbag for other characters development in sb bl case him and wk's developed at first most things made sense but then after the wine cane it was just a pattern like did you really had to make every segnificant event that effects the story something that minho initiates then get punishmed for it? it just cames off repetitive and boring form a story telling pov and just minho-hating motivated from sb pov

yea u missed me here, i didn't mean that ofc minho's wasn't traumatized by the confiment alone I forgot to write sum really important in prev post that is physical violence wk doesn't just rape minho he's incredibly violent at it too especially in the first chps minho's lines and inner dialoges when referring to wk aftermath on him are mostly about not being hurt physically by wk but nothing of sexual nature that's why it ends when he stops being violent and just "normally rape him" (btw I don't think that lack of sa specific tr is just narrowed to minho non of sb characters shows it whether the perpturater is duna or wk which is becs author is ignorant of such a things and refuse to do better😍)

I highly disagree here wk and minho's development is pretty much the opposite which is the whole point of sb bl story pattern to show how tragedies effects the victim in a negative light and the perpturater in a positive one (cuz he be getting what he wants at the end whether he likes it or not) and yeah despite everything I still find some things in sb bl unnecessary don't serve anything meaningful or could've been bone better and some other things just makes me go (author are u really done shiting on minho's? cause that's clearly aren't it)

for how will author milk this its getting tiring from ch1 to ch35 its one pattern minho does sum shite gets hurt for it and the cycle repeats wk is the only one to slight hint of character development (he's still so far off) and minho just exist like fr author doesn't show any forms of minho's trauma from wk's or doona's rape like the kind of trauma and inner dialogues u would expect from sa and rape victoms btw this so disgustingly common (the denial of rape victims trauma) with these types of bls and authors only excuse is "oh well uke's got strong mentality and such"

huh,

[yuyunderground]

you're just like me fr fr, like yeah I get getting trust issues becz of someone you once loved bullied you but even when you get hurt by others your hurt feelings are still your responsibility there's noway minho's is the one responsible for doona being a rapist selfish consent-ignorant pos that part was just innate (which is never corrected goddam 😀)

I hope so too,gush I will gage if I ever see her punch-worthy face again

Seeing doona again: 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Seeing doona again through minhos mind so that he can finally forgive himself and move on: 😍😍😍😍😍😍👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[yuyunderground]

hey, yeah you're right with everything you said in the first paragraph I worded this wrong and yea he definitely is the only one that got consequences

about the second paragraph in my original post I meant that minho's doesn't get any aftermath of his multiple RAPES (like rts or how would male rape victim reacts it could've shed light on that since sa victims are greatly underpresented,unbelieved and not taken srsly especially if they don't fit the picture of what a rape victim looks like and if their rapist doesn't fit "the rapist look stereotype") yes author shows how depressed, miserable and suicidal he has become but it's all pretty much from confiment and his realization of his mistakes that ruined his life and not at all the rape (he didn't get depressed when duna raped him which is a whole problem in its own)

for how will author milk this its getting tiring from ch1 to ch35 its one pattern minho does sum shite gets hurt for it and the cycle repeats wk is the only one to slight hint of character development (he's still so far off) and minho just exist like fr author doesn't show any forms of minho's trauma from wk's or doona's rape like the kind of trauma and inner dialogues u would expect from sa and rape victoms btw this so disgustingly common (the denial of rape victims trauma) with these types of bls and authors only excuse is "oh well uke's got strong mentality and such"

huh,

[yuyunderground]

for how long will author milk this its getting tiring from ch1 to ch35 its one pattern minho does sum shit gets hurt for it and the cycle repeats wk is the only one to get slight hint of positive character development (he's still so far off) and minho just exist like fr author doesn't show any forms of minho's trauma from wk's or doona's rape like the kind of trauma and inner dialogues u would expect from sa and rape victoms btw this so disgustingly common (the denial of rape victims trauma) with these types of bls and authors only excuse is "oh well uke's got strong mentality and such"

huh,

[yuyunderground]

sooo apperantly for author someone who critrised her and talked shit behind her back deserve to go through all types of sexual torment, lose their job, their house, their degnity as a human, lose their self and their life just to be redeemed from a mistake that only effected her!

srsly minho's past is waay more dimensional to be only tied up to his relationship with duna and it's not like she's the only person who he have wronged in the past

Seeing doona again: 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Seeing doona again through minhos mind so that he can finally forgive himself and move on: 😍😍😍😍😍😍👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[yuyunderground]

minho's life been shit since day 1 its so sad that it came to this not only once but twice

and ykw he was kinda right the first time "if only i had money" he didn't live a stable life in the first place he was born into poverty to a single alcoholic father who prob was absent mostly or neglecful if not fully abusive raised in a plastic house that can't sestain rain,cold, floods and even illegal it could have been removed any time if the government found out about them and missing mother figure (it literally is never addressed at all where his mom is.. is she dead? noone knows) he definitely has truma from all of that but his past just never gets to be told at all and it pains me

HE REALLY COMMITED SUICIDE AGAIN HUH??? WE REALLY WENt THERE AGAIN OH MY GOD OJ MY FUCK

[yuyunderground]

omg it was in Portuguese🤡 I'm so sorry, I read this through Google trans which translated really smoothly so I understood everything and it was so interesting and put together that's why I wished it was more popular I love these characters analysis since you don't see much of these in sb tag.. and you don't have to pressure yourself to write in English it isn't my first language either so so I understand anyways I really enjoyed your posts about sb<3

Eu tenho uma teoria. Considero Byun Minho um personagem com características de transtorno de personalidade esquiva, ou seja, isolamento, insegurança, autossabotagem, tendência a trocar sexo por favores, agressividade, competitividade, distanciamento emocional/intimidade, sensibilidade a qualquer criticismo, medo da rejeição, medo do abandono, etc.

Cha Wookyung tem características de codependência/"vício em amor", ou seja, dependência emocional, controle, desejo de "salvar" o outro, agressividade, medo do abandono, dá pouca importância a si mesmo, procura pessoas com comportamento autodestrutivo/transtorno de personalidade para se relacionar, persegue, exige afeto do outro, procura validação, medo da vulnerabilidade emocional, etc.

Cha Wookyung tem uma mãe narcisista, passa por disputa entre seus pais, o que reforça sua aparente codependência. Filhos de genitores narcisistas têm uma grande chance de se tornarem codependentes ou narcisistas, no caso de Cha Wookyung, ele se tornou um codependente. Entre Minho e Wookyung o que ocorre é uma INTERAÇÃO forçada, extremamente abusiva, entre esquivo e codependente, na minha opinião.

Chun Duna tem comportamentos muitos parecidos com Cha Wookyung, não me surpreenderia se ela fosse também uma codependente.

No capítulo 10 da História Paralela B, é possível ver um álbum da cantora Janis Joplin na parede do quarto de Cha Wookyung. Todos sabem que as letras de Janis Joplin são carregadas de um ultrarromantismo que poucos entendem, descreve na maioria de suas músicas, um amor utópico, ou seja, profundo, mas, destrutivo por ser impossível de funcionar. Eu diria que são músicas carregadas de dependência emocional.

Na internet tem pouca informação confiável sobre o lado da codependência chamada "vício em amor", mas isso não é importante, considero apenas como uma codependência.

Tem pouco conteúdo CONFIÁVEL na internet sobre como funciona esse tipo de interação, mas pode-se dizer que são padrões de comportamento bem parecidos com os que ocorrem nos dois manhwas. Sobre as personalidades, eu não tenho dúvida.

O importante é: não deve-se romantizar e glamourizar esse tipo de interação. Vejo muitos fãs de Sadistic Beauty romantizando essa interação desde a história principal; chamam Byun Minho de narcisista para tentar justificar ações de raiva e rancor de um aparente codependente quando, na verdade, Minho expressa um comportamento autodestrutivo/transtorno esquivo. É preciso ter responsabilidade no que consumimos, o que estou vendo é uma glamorização da codependência e uma demonização do transtorno de personalidade esquiva, o que impensável, inacreditável. Tenho receio da segurança de pessoas com personalidade esquiva quando vejo tantos justificando violências contra elas.

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why isn't this getting the recognition it needs?

Eu tenho uma teoria. Considero Byun Minho um personagem com características de transtorno de personalidade esquiva, ou seja, isolamento, insegurança, autossabotagem, tendência a trocar sexo por favores, agressividade, competitividade, distanciamento emocional/intimidade, sensibilidade a qualquer criticismo, medo da rejeição, medo do abandono, etc.

Cha Wookyung tem características de codependência/"vício em amor", ou seja, dependência emocional, controle, desejo de "salvar" o outro, agressividade, medo do abandono, dá pouca importância a si mesmo, procura pessoas com comportamento autodestrutivo/transtorno de personalidade para se relacionar, persegue, exige afeto do outro, procura validação, medo da vulnerabilidade emocional, etc.

Cha Wookyung tem uma mãe narcisista, passa por disputa entre seus pais, o que reforça sua aparente codependência. Filhos de genitores narcisistas têm uma grande chance de se tornarem codependentes ou narcisistas, no caso de Cha Wookyung, ele se tornou um codependente. Entre Minho e Wookyung o que ocorre é uma INTERAÇÃO forçada, extremamente abusiva, entre esquivo e codependente, na minha opinião.

Chun Duna tem comportamentos muitos parecidos com Cha Wookyung, não me surpreenderia se ela fosse também uma codependente.

No capítulo 10 da História Paralela B, é possível ver um álbum da cantora Janis Joplin na parede do quarto de Cha Wookyung. Todos sabem que as letras de Janis Joplin são carregadas de um ultrarromantismo que poucos entendem, descreve na maioria de suas músicas, um amor utópico, ou seja, profundo, mas, destrutivo por ser impossível de funcionar. Eu diria que são músicas carregadas de dependência emocional.

Na internet tem pouca informação confiável sobre o lado da codependência chamada "vício em amor", mas isso não é importante, considero apenas como uma codependência.

Tem pouco conteúdo CONFIÁVEL na internet sobre como funciona esse tipo de interação, mas pode-se dizer que são padrões de comportamento bem parecidos com os que ocorrem nos dois manhwas. Sobre as personalidades, eu não tenho dúvida.

O importante é: não deve-se romantizar e glamourizar esse tipo de interação. Vejo muitos fãs de Sadistic Beauty romantizando essa interação desde a história principal; chamam Byun Minho de narcisista para tentar justificar ações de raiva e rancor de um aparente codependente quando, na verdade, Minho expressa um comportamento autodestrutivo/transtorno esquivo. É preciso ter responsabilidade no que consumimos, o que estou vendo é uma glamorização da codependência e uma demonização do transtorno de personalidade esquiva, o que impensável, inacreditável. Tenho receio da segurança de pessoas com personalidade esquiva quando vejo tantos justificando violências contra elas.

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this is the most out of pocket character if I ever seen or read one.... like again why?

her relationship with gyerin sister lasted for only 2 chapters.... Hana doesn't see her more than as a friendly kid.... she doesn't confess her feelings... she was all over juyong but now she wants Hana... that fast???

honestly she was just put to creat some tension it would have been better off if it just stayed like that but she somehow turned into a srs Character ... the suhaxhana relationship feels like a scraped idea smh