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AND ANOTHER THING.

Arcane spoilers ofc

To people talking about Jinx/Ekko in like, a world where everyone is alive after the finale. Why do you think Ekko would even Date Jinx 😭 they barely spoke for like 5-7 years and in that time Jinx evolved into a person who was so different from the girl Ekko knew that she goes by different names 2 represent the person she was back then vs. Now. then Ekko went to an alternate universe met a version of the person he USED to have a crush on who grew into someone closer to the person he had a crush on. The went back and tried to save Jinx cause he recognized that even though Jinx is very different than the person he knew as a kid she still had value and was worth saving. Right? But aside from that, aside from nostalgia and loyalty, do Jinx and ekko have personalities that are romantically compatible? Do they have similar values? Things in common to talk about? Is there any hint that Ekko as we know him could have a functional relationship with Jinx as we know her? Cause everything about their interactions are based on their shared past.

man, I hate this ship so much cause every bit of headcanoning and stuff I see for it is clearly pulled out of thin air, leads to a huge mischaracterization of Ekko, AND Jinx. But mostly Ekko just to craft him into a love interest for Jinx where I truly cannot see that be possible.

Like why are you calling Ekko "chaotic" bro is basically The Mayor of the Firelights. I don't think he's compatible with Jinx! I think he cares about her! I think he genuinely would want her in his life again! But there isn't anything there for romance! And once again, in the show Jinx barely shows any hint of caring about Ekko. It's clear that it's all about what l Ekko can do for Jinx, but it's unbalanced in the narrative and the fandom

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Yes to both points. It honestly feels like Mel's plot is them soft launching or back door piloting a whole new series and tbh I'm not excited for that. The way TV is in late stage capitalism is making me anti spin offs and anti cinematic universe and all that. I don't give a shit what Mel does in the rest of Runeterra. I want ARCANE to have a complete and compelling plot line. Why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars a season just for constant build up with no actual payoff?

I haven't seen season 2 yet but I'm kind of prematurely disappointed in arcane season 2 cause from what I've seen about the Fandom response to the black characters either a) racism and yall don't care enough about them to accidentally spoile the character arcs or b) they remained undeserved and sidelined in the narrative, or c) their narratives are 100 percent about their white friends/counterparts/love interests or D) all of the above.

This is why I don't like Jinx/Ekko, not because I'm against the ship sort of in a vacuum but because making Ekko have a crush with a white character is going to become the main crux of his actions and characters and even relationships with the people of Zaun when he is SUCH AND INTERESTING CHARACTER. Because the writers and the Fandom seem incapable of appreciating abnlavk character unmatched from a white person. You know? Like I felt like the jinx and Ekko dynamic and complicated relationship was honestly more compelling where they were just coded as close childhood friends. They didn't need to add the romance part.

And god Forbid MEL does anything EVER without everyone JUDGING her.

I will have more eloquent thoughts when I'm actually done watching season 2 but I am not optimistic

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AND ANOTHER THING

Okay I think I found the wording I was struggling to articulate about my problem with how Ekko is treated. Cause it's not like Vi doesn't also spend a good portion of the show fixated on saving Jinx. But I realized on TOP of her relationship with Jinx, Vi's relationship to Cait, Vander, and even her feelings about Sevika and her dynamic with Jayce are given time and focus. Girl goes on a whole side quest just for revenge against Sevika. And I know Ekko isn't a MAIN main character, but a) I think he should be, and b) even as a side character I think he's earned a but more time with the other characters he's connected with, but the Zaun connection he is mostly, one screen dwelling on is Jinx, with a few words tossed to his father figure. So while Vi has multiple characters that she is attached to, interacts with and demonstrates affection for Ekko's main focus (in season 2) is Jinx in terms of, Like, where his affection, care, and attention is at. And Jinx barely dwells on Ekko on screen which makes this dynamic unbalanced. And one Jinx is gone, it's framed as if Ekko lost everything WHEN THE FIRELIGHTS ARE STILL ALIVE. Like it's still tragic I guess that he worked so hard to bring everyone together from his past but his present still includes a lot of people, like a whole community, but season 2 doesn't really care about that. Which i think goes back to this overall theme I'm seeing about critiques of season 2 which is it doesn't really engage with reconstruction and the future, but rather it kind of chases replicating the past, even though it demonstrably bad. Which is why the pullover council remaining with the only change being Sevika's inclusion is framed as a positive change when really pullover is just backsliding to it's status quo. And why Ekko not having Jinx around is also framed negatively cause he can't be with his childhood crush even though he has a whole life outside of her, and has had a very robust life.

Like all my complaints are framed around that final shot of Ekko which I think could have been fixed with the inclusion if a few seconds of his firelight buddies showing up to sit next to him.

I watched part of season two (only 3 episodes left) AND THE WAY THAT I WAS CORRECT. BRUH

I'm gonna be honest a lot of the Vander stuff could have been cut, I wanted to see what Ekko and Heimerdinger were up to. No expansion on their characters, no establishment of their dynamic. What does it mean for Ekko to have a mentor that can match him scientifically/intellectually? What does it mean for Heimerdinger to become a part of the firelight community? What were the firelights doing without Ekko? Etc etc etc. And im ngl I actually love What I've seen of the alternate universe so far, but if it's just about Ekko and Jinx, I don't want it. There isn't enough space for that in a 2 season 18 episode show. Like. If would be fine if they had the space. But they don't!!! They're trying to fit so much content and so many arcs in a short amount of time, god why is this show only 2 seasons that was such a stupid idea.

Idk why but even though season 2 is exactly as long as season 1 it feels like they're moving a break neck speed and struggling to fit everything into a short season. Maybe it's because season 1 had the timeskip that allowed for a lot of character growth through implication. But idk, this season just feels like it's got two extra seasons worth of content and I'm so maaaaad the story is being sacrificed for it

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Also (spoilers under the cut)

I think I would have been way more forgiving of everything if Mel and Ekko's last shot in the show weren't them being all alone. Especially Ekko, cause technically he didn't lose everything? Vi is still Alive, the firelights are still alive, he still has a People to care care of and friends to take care of him. As for Mel, well, she's a bad bitch and I love that she has magic but I think the show forgot about her strength which isn't raq magical power but they way she moves and shakes through the world with her political savvy. Obviously the council aren't her friends, but come oooon make that part of her character also a part of her ending. And also her plot line kinda came out of nowhere, tbh. But like I said, we got 2 seasons worth of content in one. They set up wayyy too much in season 1 and tripped through tying everything up in season 2.

Okay, I'm done complaining now, I did genuinely enjoy season 2, I just think all of the characters need more space to grow and have their arcs.

I watched part of season two (only 3 episodes left) AND THE WAY THAT I WAS CORRECT. BRUH

I'm gonna be honest a lot of the Vander stuff could have been cut, I wanted to see what Ekko and Heimerdinger were up to. No expansion on their characters, no establishment of their dynamic. What does it mean for Ekko to have a mentor that can match him scientifically/intellectually? What does it mean for Heimerdinger to become a part of the firelight community? What were the firelights doing without Ekko? Etc etc etc. And im ngl I actually love What I've seen of the alternate universe so far, but if it's just about Ekko and Jinx, I don't want it. There isn't enough space for that in a 2 season 18 episode show. Like. If would be fine if they had the space. But they don't!!! They're trying to fit so much content and so many arcs in a short amount of time, god why is this show only 2 seasons that was such a stupid idea.

Idk why but even though season 2 is exactly as long as season 1 it feels like they're moving a break neck speed and struggling to fit everything into a short season. Maybe it's because season 1 had the timeskip that allowed for a lot of character growth through implication. But idk, this season just feels like it's got two extra seasons worth of content and I'm so maaaaad the story is being sacrificed for it

[yourbitchystudentartist]

Okay, I was too harsh on episode 7, but I maintain most of my points. The breifness of the show as a whole is leading to a lot of the characters (mostly the black ones) to be severely underserved

I watched part of season two (only 3 episodes left) AND THE WAY THAT I WAS CORRECT. BRUH

I'm gonna be honest a lot of the Vander stuff could have been cut, I wanted to see what Ekko and Heimerdinger were up to. No expansion on their characters, no establishment of their dynamic. What does it mean for Ekko to have a mentor that can match him scientifically/intellectually? What does it mean for Heimerdinger to become a part of the firelight community? What were the firelights doing without Ekko? Etc etc etc. And im ngl I actually love What I've seen of the alternate universe so far, but if it's just about Ekko and Jinx, I don't want it. There isn't enough space for that in a 2 season 18 episode show. Like. If would be fine if they had the space. But they don't!!! They're trying to fit so much content and so many arcs in a short amount of time, god why is this show only 2 seasons that was such a stupid idea.

Idk why but even though season 2 is exactly as long as season 1 it feels like they're moving a break neck speed and struggling to fit everything into a short season. Maybe it's because season 1 had the timeskip that allowed for a lot of character growth through implication. But idk, this season just feels like it's got two extra seasons worth of content and I'm so maaaaad the story is being sacrificed for it

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I watched part of season two (only 3 episodes left) AND THE WAY THAT I WAS CORRECT. BRUH

I'm gonna be honest a lot of the Vander stuff could have been cut, I wanted to see what Ekko and Heimerdinger were up to. No expansion on their characters, no establishment of their dynamic. What does it mean for Ekko to have a mentor that can match him scientifically/intellectually? What does it mean for Heimerdinger to become a part of the firelight community? What were the firelights doing without Ekko? Etc etc etc. And im ngl I actually love What I've seen of the alternate universe so far, but if it's just about Ekko and Jinx, I don't want it. There isn't enough space for that in a 2 season 18 episode show. Like. If would be fine if they had the space. But they don't!!! They're trying to fit so much content and so many arcs in a short amount of time, god why is this show only 2 seasons that was such a stupid idea.

Idk why but even though season 2 is exactly as long as season 1 it feels like they're moving a break neck speed and struggling to fit everything into a short season. Maybe it's because season 1 had the timeskip that allowed for a lot of character growth through implication. But idk, this season just feels like it's got two extra seasons worth of content and I'm so maaaaad the story is being sacrificed for it

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Okay, I'm still on this and then I'll be done. apologies cause I'm not gonna be very eloquent cause I'm rusty with both spider-verse and Arcane.

I feel like, Jinx/ekko and Miles/Gwen also low-key diminish some of the main messaging or themes around their stories. Like for Jinx and Ekko, the very little we see of them together is from their time in the tight-knit community of the lanes and their friendship as the relative runts, or youngest ones of their group. you know, they were friends but also, a part of the community! As time moves on and the factions of the undercity are fractured, they kind of represent two sides of their community, and introduce a dynamic between the characters that connects Ekko to Vi Silco and Sevika AS WELL as Jinx. you know? like his hesitation to hurt jinx is less about having a crush, and more about, the friendship and community. and I feel like, by making their dynamic romantic I think it narrows Ekko's narrative emotional scope to centring Jinx as a lost potential romantic figure, rather than Jinx as a lost friend and representation of how their community fell apart. and also I don't see (so far) any focus on the relationships he's formed since the #incident. At least that's what I see from the fandom response, the man built a whole gang/community/organization from scratch, and these people are important too! but no! it's all about Jinx and how much he cares about Jinx when there are so many more complex relationships and dynamics to think about.

That is also the thing with Miles/Gwen, where their arcs include finding community solidarity and comfort in other spider-folk in the spider-verse. Miles and Gwen have a similar problem: in the face of their spider powers and other tragedies in their lives, they feel startling alone, but when they uncover the multiverse they meet a whole host of people with a similar life experience and find comfort in that. Like, literally Gwen just lost her best friend and her arc (in movie 1) was opening herself up to making new friends. So when the Miles/Gwen ship started to be set up, I got frustrated, cause it was supposed to be about the power of friendship man, even though they found a whole group of spider people to get along with, they got along well cause they were the same age, hence they could be closer friends. but still, they were just frieeends. and because ASTV started to highlight their relationship way more than any of the original spider gang (even Peter B, his literal mentor and the first other spider-person he ever met) it kind of implies that this low-key building romance is more important than the rest of the COMMUNITY.

It's ABOUT THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP (and community, and found family and blah blah blah)

and it's a point that has been belaboured over and over again about how in a lot of media its hard to just have a girl and a boy just be friends cause of heteronormativity, etc etc. and I know that these are more interracial ships which even though its 2024 are still you know, relatively not well represented, but I feel like both these stories are just putting romance where it doesn't belong. and in the case of Arcane specifically, it's actively weakening the whole story and weakens the story arc of what should be a very well-connected Black character in the story, kind of making it mostly about his relationship with a white girl instead of his relationship to Zaun as a whole, as well as other Zaunites.

At least with Miles and Gwen, like I said in my other post there's a lot more to Miles and Gwen than their relationship with each other, especially with ASTV setting up other young spider-people who connect with Miles and Gwen and could provide friendship and community and support outside of that whole romance situation. plus Miles and Gwen are given a lot more buildup as friends first than potential love interests.

so if you're gonna compare the two ships you ought to at least be honest and talk about how both these ships have very little to do with the Black main characters and a using romance as lazy shorthand for what SHOULD be a larger message of FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC or whatever.

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ALSO stop with the Jinx/Ekko and Miles/Gwen comparisons it is NOT THE SAME.

Granted I have similar like hesitations towards Miles/Gwen but at least Miles and Gwen have strong writing about their characters outside that relationship. At least the pairing has a solid build up but the characters can have a full arc with or without them getting together in the end.

But other than the fact that both ships feature a white girl and a black boy they have nothing in common. The story, character, even themes are totally different. like yall truly are just baffled by the concept of interracial relationships that you think anything with a black and white teens is just the same dynamic. Don't piss me off

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I haven't seen season 2 yet but I'm kind of prematurely disappointed in arcane season 2 cause from what I've seen about the Fandom response to the black characters either a) racism and yall don't care enough about them to accidentally spoile the character arcs or b) they remained undeserved and sidelined in the narrative, or c) their narratives are 100 percent about their white friends/counterparts/love interests or D) all of the above.

This is why I don't like Jinx/Ekko, not because I'm against the ship sort of in a vacuum but because making Ekko have a crush with a white character is going to become the main crux of his actions and characters and even relationships with the people of Zaun when he is SUCH AND INTERESTING CHARACTER. Because the writers and the Fandom seem incapable of appreciating abnlavk character unmatched from a white person. You know? Like I felt like the jinx and Ekko dynamic and complicated relationship was honestly more compelling where they were just coded as close childhood friends. They didn't need to add the romance part.

And god Forbid MEL does anything EVER without everyone JUDGING her.

I will have more eloquent thoughts when I'm actually done watching season 2 but I am not optimistic

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