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Since some new athletes subject to gender (sex) testing are getting a lot of spotlight shined on the transphobic elements of this practice, please can people keep in mind the intersexist nature of sex testing. While many concerns raised about athletes’ gender/sex are related to transphobia, the material reality is that these people aren’t trans, they are intersex. These tests reveal that these women have hyperandrogenistic conditions that make them intersex. They are experiencing oppression based on having an intersex condition. This isn’t “oops we oppressed a cisgender person who might have been trans,” it is the intentional oppression of people who are intersex.
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i can understand where ur coming from on this one. i am also an intersex transfem who was amab. i have 5-ard and was surgically altered shortly after birth. there is part of me that feels very isolated in intersex transfem spaces online bcs there are often very few ppl who share experiences with me. i wish i could meet more intersex transfems who were assigned male and expected to be male across the board. that said i still don’t think it is wrong for intersex ppl of any condition, which will include pcos, to identify with transfemininity, even if they were afab. birth assignment is one piece of the puzzle for intersex ppl, and we end up getting many mixed experiences. notably i personally have never seen a person w pcos identify as a full on “trans woman” before, just “transfem” and usually with other modifiers. i see transfem as a somewhat different thing from trans woman although they overlap a lot.
i do tend to agree that many transfems with pcos engage in transmisogyny. the same is true that ppl with pcos, even who consider themselves intersex, are often very intersexist. i do not think this means they aren’t part of these groups, but i feel that people in general tend to think being part of a group in any amount means they get to speak on every issue of that group, even if it doesn’t apply to their experience.
i often feel i am spoken over by intersex ppl who do not have experiences like mine. i would prefer if afab with pcos wasn’t the default intersex transfem bcs i don’t think there should be a default at all. i think that the variedness of the intersex experience should result in no default. but there is truth to the fact that there are many ppl with pcos in the community because pcos is an extremely common variation and far more likely to receive a clear and outright diagnosis than ppl with officially recognized variations. this isn’t their fault, but it doesn’t feel like ppl with pcos make space for us after finding themselves in the transfem experience. it feels like some aspects of transfemininity are a common ground for ctf intersex transfems and the rest of us, but that anything that is not an experience someone who is a ctf transfem would have doesn’t really exist.
it bothers me to see posts like “intersex transfem culture is having an irregular period” (real post i have seen) or other things like that bcs… who decided all intersex transfems should have menstrual cycles? i love the experiences i do share with transfems with ctf conditions but i hate so much the way i am some how the outcast in a transfem community talking ab things that no one would question in a perisex transfem space.
Really not so sure how I feel about the idea of redefining transfem to include people with PCOS if for no other reason than it muddies the water of what the term transfem is generally understood to mean and also totally crowds the kind of people that term was originally coined for out of their own identity.
I'm an """amab""" intersex transfem. I was surgically altered as an infant, I was assigned male at birth and while the records are inaccessible i have good reason to believe I was born with PMDS that was dishonestly characterized as a "congenital inguinal hernia repair" (the scars are way too big and in completely the wrong location for that to actually be true).
Anyways, this is not a matter of inclusion/exclusion. Its a matter of people with PCOS generally outnumbering "amab transfems" by over 10 to 1.
By redefining the term like this, you are turning "amab transfems" into an extreme minority within the identity their label was coined to describe. It's a total appropriation of an identity label by a group that massively outnumbers the original people that label has been used to describe.
And it absolutely is appropriation in the truest sense of the word, wherein a group takes over a label or practice such that the original people that term was for can no longer meaningfully be understood by that term.
Intersex transfems obviously do exist, I am one after all, but I find it endlessly frustrating how often the term "intersex transfem" isn't being used to refer to transfems like me, but instead to refer to people who are blatantly attempting to appropriate an identity label.
I also find it endlessly frustrating the way people seem to invoke the spectre of intersex transfems as a cudgel against other trans women in discussions about transmisogyny. Trans women/fems are my sisters and my community, the people trying to weaponize me against them are not.
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not even “look like a transfem” just “looks tma” like wtf would that even mean ??? u just stop being tma after u pass or ??? i don’t even like these terms but subscribing to the ideology around tme/tma means acknowledging that a transfeminine person is affected by transmisogyny forever. before she knows she’s trans. while she is in the closet. when she first comes out. if she never comes out. before she transitions. while she transitions. after she transitions. when she passes. when she doesn’t. “looking tma” just feels like an admission of thinking transfems r all clocky or smn and that a certain appearance is the only thing that causes transmisogyny to happen to u. how do u criticize transmascs for saying they’re affected by transmisogyny for when ppl think they look like transfems, but u implicitly affirm this is how transmisogyny works by saying a person can look or not look tma?
there is no way i see a guy acting like the defender of trans women of all time say “they don’t look tma” LOOK TMA?????? we are doing LOOK TMA now???? “I won’t say their height” WHAT WOULD THAT PROVE? do u think trans women r all just super tall lmfao???? what would an ID even prove anyway lmfao mine says F on it because i got my legal gender changed. me when i protect transfems by concluding that i can always tell
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there is no way i see a guy acting like the defender of trans women of all time say “they don’t look tma” LOOK TMA?????? we are doing LOOK TMA now???? “I won’t say their height” WHAT WOULD THAT PROVE? do u think trans women r all just super tall lmfao???? what would an ID even prove anyway lmfao mine says F on it because i got my legal gender changed. me when i protect transfems by concluding that i can always tell
#transmisogyny#literally why would u ever act like this#and then admit to acting like this#this is an fite club btw this is not a vague this is just about that
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shout out to dark skinned asians. ur skin is beautiful. ur skin is a beautiful gift from ur family and ancestors. ur skin is the right color and always has been.
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butch trans women appreciation post yall are so cool
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[ID: happy international women’s day to our trans sisters who are not able to come out. you are loved and seen, and this day is your day!! /end ID]
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always love transfems more than you love dunking on transmisogynists. love transfems more than you hate terfs. don't just reblog transfem funnyposts; love transfem music, art, writing, fashion, photography, selfies. love transfems. love transfems. love transfems with your whole heart.
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thank you for correcting me, i hadn’t seen this information before now. reblogging to show the correct info
yk what i do find it weird to bring up the murder of a transmasc child and in the same sentence use the phrase "transandrophobia truthers". did nex benedict die in mysterious circumstances entirely unrelated to his gender or was he killed because he was transmasc? can't really think of a more cut and dry example of transandrophobia tbh
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ur totally right ab this but nex was not a man and this is misgendering them just like if you called them a girl. nex was nonbinary and used they/them pronouns. their murder was transandrophobic and u don’t have to change their gender posthumously to fit that.
yk what i do find it weird to bring up the murder of a transmasc child and in the same sentence use the phrase "transandrophobia truthers". did nex benedict die in mysterious circumstances entirely unrelated to his gender or was he killed because he was transmasc? can't really think of a more cut and dry example of transandrophobia tbh
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i have so much i want to say but it all boils down to this is why i never talk ab my sci. nobody cares anyway lmfao
seeing posts about how nobody takes adhd seriously or talks about it is funny when you have a spinal cord injury and 80% of the disability-related content on social media is about ADHD and 90% of disability “influencers” have it and talk about it and you are bombarded with ads for virtual therapy on every site but you’ve literally only ever seen ONE (1) SINGLE other user like yourself and are told to suck it up and stop being ableist for even pointing it out
people without spinal cord injuries absolutely love to scream in my face that I get everything I want and all the “disability rep” is spinal cord injuries and nobody ever “invalidates” me and my only true issue is that I secretly really hate ablebodied people with ADHD, not that society is literally designed to exclude ppl like me
idk dude I’m fucking tired of it
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please don't get bottom surgery, my brother in christ you'll be in pain for the rest of your life :(
low effort try harder
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ok everyone listen carefully. intersectionalism is not ab the intersections of different axes of oppression. intersectionalism is the intersection of different aspects of your identity, oppressed or not. white men experience the intersection of both whiteness and being a man. in this case, it compounds into greater privilege because white men benefit from both systemic racism and patriarchy. now, bear with me, transgender men experience the intersection of being transgender and men. because of the factor transgender, they are excluded from the benefits of patriarchy. transgender men, because they are transgender, are still oppressed under patriarchy as the out-group of women, because social maleness is an in-group which does not include any kind of transgender person (why most transfems object to “male socialization” as we were also not part of the social in-group as transgender people). transandrophobia, transmisandry, transmascphobia, etc all exist as words to describe THIS CONCEPT. they do not exist to say “transandrophobia is when men are oppressed and transgender people are oppressed so i am double oppressed on that axis.” transandrophobia and transmisogyny BOTH describe “a transgender person experiences the combination of transphobia and misogyny, either as a trans man or a trans woman (or adjacent to either of these identities)”
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on the post made by a trans woman is where you’re going to put this? ok
ok everyone listen carefully. intersectionalism is not ab the intersections of different axes of oppression. intersectionalism is the intersection of different aspects of your identity, oppressed or not. white men experience the intersection of both whiteness and being a man. in this case, it compounds into greater privilege because white men benefit from both systemic racism and patriarchy. now, bear with me, transgender men experience the intersection of being transgender and men. because of the factor transgender, they are excluded from the benefits of patriarchy. transgender men, because they are transgender, are still oppressed under patriarchy as the out-group of women, because social maleness is an in-group which does not include any kind of transgender person (why most transfems object to “male socialization” as we were also not part of the social in-group as transgender people). transandrophobia, transmisandry, transmascphobia, etc all exist as words to describe THIS CONCEPT. they do not exist to say “transandrophobia is when men are oppressed and transgender people are oppressed so i am double oppressed on that axis.” transandrophobia and transmisogyny BOTH describe “a transgender person experiences the combination of transphobia and misogyny, either as a trans man or a trans woman (or adjacent to either of these identities)”
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sometimes i think my disabilities & my queerness are very much linked, i've been out as "queer" (strange, uncanny, abnormal) since i was literally an infant, biologically a freak, acted like a freak, i can't even get being human right on such a basic level like being a normal baby, how could i not fail at being a gender, being attracted to people, i even fail at being queer, i'm too out, too visible, i'm not out enough, too scared to even say the words, i freeze up, normal labels don't fit me, am i gay? asexual? straight? mtf? ftm? or am i just failing at being human?
i love being this way though, i love being queer, because i love being queer (strange, uncanny, abnormal).
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ok everyone listen carefully. intersectionalism is not ab the intersections of different axes of oppression. intersectionalism is the intersection of different aspects of your identity, oppressed or not. white men experience the intersection of both whiteness and being a man. in this case, it compounds into greater privilege because white men benefit from both systemic racism and patriarchy. now, bear with me, transgender men experience the intersection of being transgender and men. because of the factor transgender, they are excluded from the benefits of patriarchy. transgender men, because they are transgender, are still oppressed under patriarchy as the out-group of women, because social maleness is an in-group which does not include any kind of transgender person (why most transfems object to “male socialization” as we were also not part of the social in-group as transgender people). transandrophobia, transmisandry, transmascphobia, etc all exist as words to describe THIS CONCEPT. they do not exist to say “transandrophobia is when men are oppressed and transgender people are oppressed so i am double oppressed on that axis.” transandrophobia and transmisogyny BOTH describe “a transgender person experiences the combination of transphobia and misogyny, either as a trans man or a trans woman (or adjacent to either of these identities)”
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