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SO HERE IS THE WHOLE STORY (SO FAR).

I am on my knees begging you to reblog this post and to stop reblogging the original ones I sent out yesterday. This is the complete account with all the most recent info; the other one is just sending people down senselessly panicked avenues that no longer lead anywhere.

IN SHORT

Cliff Weitzman, CEO of Speechify and (aspiring?) voice actor, used AI to scrape thousands of popular, finished works off AO3 to list them on his own for-profit website and in his attached app. He did this without getting any kind of permission from the authors of said work or informing AO3. Obviously.

When fandom at large was made aware of his theft and started pushing back, Weitzman issued a non-apology on the original social media posts—using 

his dyslexia; 

his intent to implement a tip-system for the plagiarized authors; and 

a sudden willingness to take down the work of every author who saw my original social media posts and emailed him individually with a ‘valid’ claim,

as reasons we should allow him to continue monetizing fanwork for his own financial gain.

When we less-than-kindly refused, he took down his ‘apologies’ as well as his website (allegedly—it’s possible that our complaints to his web host, the deluge of emails he received or the unanticipated traffic brought it down, since there wasn’t any sort of official statement made about it), and when it came back up several hours later, all of the work formerly listed in the fan fiction category was no longer listed. 

THE TAKEAWAYS

1. Cliff Weitzman (aka Ofek Weitzman) is a scumbag with no qualms about taking fanwork without permission, feeding it to AI and monetizing it for his own financial gain; 

2. Fandom can really get things done when it wants to, and 

3. Our fanworks appear to be hidden, but they’re NOT DELETED from Weitzman’s servers, and independently published, original works are still listed without the authors' permission. We need to hold this man responsible for his theft, keep an eye on both his current and future endeavors, and take action immediately when he crosses the line again. 

THE TIMELINE, THE DETAILS, THE SCREENSHOTS (behind the cut)

Sunday night, December 22nd 2024, I noticed an influx in visitors to my fic You & Me & Holiday Wine. When I searched the title online, hoping to find out where they came from, a new listing popped up (third one down, no less):

This listing is still up today, by the way, though now when you follow the link to word-stream, it just brings you to the main site. (Also, to be clear, this was not the cause for the influx of traffic to my fic; word-stream did not link back to the original work anywhere.)

I followed the link to word-stream, where to my horror Y&M&HW was listed in its entirety—though, beyond the first half of the first chapter, behind a paywall—along with a link promising to take me—through an app downloadable on the Apple Store—to an AI-narrated audiobook version. When I searched word-stream itself for my ao3 handle I found both of my multi-chapter fics were listed this way:

Because the tags on my fics (which included genres* and characters, but never the original IPs**) weren’t working, I put ‘Kara Danvers’ into the search bar and discovered that many more supercorp fics (Supergirl TV fandom, Kara Danvers/Lena Luthor pairing) were listed.

I went looking online for any mention of word-stream and AI plagiarism (the covers—as well as the ridiculously inflated number of reviews and ratings—made it immediately obvious that AI fuckery was involved), but found almost nothing: only one single Reddit post had been made, and it received (at that time) only a handful of upvotes and no advice. 

I decided to make a tumblr post to bring the supercorp fandom up to speed about the theft. I draw as well as write for fandom and I’ve only ever had to deal with art theft—which has a clear set of steps to take depending on where said art was reposted—and I was at a loss regarding where to start in this situation.

After my post went up I remembered Project Copy Knight, which is worth commending for the work they’ve done to get fic stolen from AO3 taken down from monetized AI 'audiobook’ YouTube accounts. I reached out to @echoekhi, asking if they’d heard of this site and whether they could advise me on how to get our works taken down.

While waiting for a reply I looked into Copy Knight’s methods and decided to contact OTW’s legal department:

And then I went to bed.

By morning, tumblr friends @makicarn and @fazedlight as well as a very helpful tumblr anon had seen my post and done some very productive sleuthing:

@echoekhi had also gotten back to me, advising me, as expected, to contact the OTW. So I decided to sit tight until I got a response from them.

That response came only an hour or so later: 

Which was 100% understandable, but still disappointing—I doubted a handful of individual takedown requests would accomplish much, and I wasn’t eager to share my given name and personal information with Cliff Weitzman himself, which is unavoidable if you want to file a DMCA.

I decided to take it to Reddit, hoping it would gain traction in the wider fanfic community, considering so many fandoms were affected. My Reddit posts (with the updates at the bottom as they were emerging) can be found here and here.

A helpful Reddit user posted a guide on how users could go about filing a DMCA against word-stream here (to wobbly-at-best results)

A different helpful Reddit user signed up to access insight into word-streams pricing. Comment is here.

Smells unbelievably scammy, right? In addition to those audacious prices—though in all fairness any amount of money would be audacious considering every work listed is accessible elsewhere for free—my dyscalculia is screaming silently at the sight of that completely unnecessary amount of intentionally obscured numbers.

Speaking of which! As soon as the post on r/AO3—and, as a result, my original tumblr post—began taking off properly, sometime around 1 pm, jumpscare! A notification that a tumblr account named @cliffweitzman had commented on my post, and I got a bit mad about the gist of his message :

Fortunately he caught plenty of flack in the comments from other users (truly you should check out the comment section, it is extremely gratifying and people are making tremendously good points), in response to which, of course, he first tried to both reiterate and renegotiate his point in a second, longer comment (which I didn’t screenshot in time so I’m sorry for the crappy notification email formatting):

which he then proceeded to also post to Reddit (this is another Reddit user’s screenshot, I didn’t see it at all, the notifications were moving too fast for me to follow by then)

... where he got a roughly equal amount of righteously furious replies. (Check downthread, they're still there, all the way at the bottom.)

After which Cliff went ahead & deleted his messages altogether. 

It’s not entirely clear whether his account was suspended by Reddit soon after or whether he deleted it himself, but considering his tumblr account is still intact, I assume it’s the former. He made a handful of sock puppet accounts to play around with for a while, both on Reddit and Tumblr, only one of which I have a screenshot of, but since they all say roughly the same thing, you’re not missing much:

And then word-stream started throwing a DNS error.

That lasted for a good number of hours, which was unfortunately right around the time that a lot of authors first heard about the situation and started asking me individually how to find out whether their work was stolen too. I do not have that information and I am unclear on the perimeters Weitzman set for his AI scraper, so this is all conjecture: it LOOKS like the fics that were lifted had three things in common:

They were completed works;

They had over several thousand kudos on AO3; and

They were written by authors who had actively posted or updated work over the past year.

If anyone knows more about these perimeters or has info that counters my observation, please let me know!

I finally thought to check/alert evil Twitter during this time, and found out that the news was doing the rounds there already. I made a quick thread summarizing everything that had happened just in case. You can find it here.

I went to Bluesky too, where fandom was doing all the heavy lifting for me already, so I just reskeeted, as you do, and carried on.

Sometime in the very early evening, word-stream went back up—but the fan fiction category was nowhere to be seen. Tentative joy and celebration!***

That’s when several users—the ones who had signed up for accounts to gain intel and had accessed their own fics that way—reported that their work could still be accessed through their history. Relevant Reddit post here.

Sooo—

We’re obviously not done. The fanwork that was stolen by Weitzman may be inaccessible through his website right now, but they aren’t actually gone. And the fact that Weitzman wasn’t willing to get rid of them altogether means he still has plans for them. 

This was my final edit on my Reddit post before turning off notifications, and it's pretty much where my head will be at for at least the foreseeable future:

Please feel free to add info in the comments, make your own posts, take whatever action you want to take to protect your work. I only beg you—seriously, I’m on my knees here—to not give up like I saw a handful of people express the urge to do. Keep sharing your creative work and remain vigilant and stay active to make sure we can continue to do so freely. Visit your favorite fics, and the ones you’ve kept in your ‘marked for later’ lists but never made time to read, and leave kudos, leave comments, support your fandom creatives, celebrate podficcers and support AO3. We created this place and it’s our responsibility to keep it alive and thriving for as long as we possibly can.

Also FUCK generative AI. It has NO place in fandom spaces.

THE 'SMALL' PRINT (some of it in all caps):

*Weitzman knew what he was doing and can NOT claim ignorance. One, it’s pretty basic kindergarten stuff that you don’t steal some other kid’s art project and present it as your own only to act surprised when they protest and then tell the victim that they should have told you sooner that they didn’t want their project stolen. And two, he was very careful never to list the IPs these fanworks were based on, so it’s clear he was at least familiar enough with the legalities to not get himself in hot water with corporate lawyers. Fucking over fans, though, he figured he could get away with that. 

**A note about the AI that Weitzman used to steal our work: it’s even greasier than it looks at first glance. It’s not just the method he used to lift works off AO3 and then regurgitate onto his own website and app. Looking beyond the untold horrors of his AI-generated cover ‘art’, in many cases these covers attempt to depict something from the fics in question that can’t be gleaned from their summaries alone. In addition, my fics (and I assume the others, as well) were listed with generated genres; tags that did not appear anywhere in or on my fic on AO3 and were sometimes scarily accurate and sometimes way off the mark. I remember You & Me & Holiday Wine had ‘found family’ (100% correct, but not tagged by me as such) and I believe The Shape of Soup was listed as, among others, ‘enemies to friends to lovers’ and ‘love triangle’ (both wildly inaccurate). Even worse, not all the fic listed (as authors on Reddit pointed out) came with their original summaries at all. Often the entire summary was AI-generated. All of these things make it very clear that it was an all-encompassing scrape—not only were our fics stolen, they were also fed word-for-word into the AI Weitzman used and then analyzed to suit Weitzman’s needs. This means our work was literally fed to this AI to basically do with whatever its other users want, including (one assumes) text generation. 

***Fan fiction appears to have been made (largely) inaccessible on word-stream at this time, but I’m hearing from several authors that their original, independently published work, which is listed at places like Kindle Unlimited, DOES still appear in word-stream’s search engine. This obviously hurts writers, especially independent ones, who depend on these works for income and, as a rule, don’t have a huge budget or a legal team with oceans of time to fight these battles for them. If you consider yourself an author in the broader sense, beyond merely existing online as a fandom author, beyond concerns that your own work is immediately at risk, DO NOT STOP MAKING NOISE ABOUT THIS.

Again, please, please PLEASE reblog this post instead of the one I sent originally. All the information is here, and it's driving me nuts to see the old ones are still passed around, sending people on wild goose chases.

Thank you all so much.

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Werewolf Women

@monstrousdesirestudy Based on our back and forth I've been trying to find more media focusing on female werewolves, or at least werewolf stories from women's perspectives. I found some pretty good ones.

First one is of course Ginger Snaps 1 & 2, for anyone who hasn't seen them yet. The werewolf girl movies.

When Animals Dream, about a line of Danish werewolf women suppressed by the men around them with sexual harassment and drugs.

Wildling, about a werewolf girl raised in captivity and drugged so she won't turn. Similar themes to When Animals Dream.

The Beast Within, which uses lycanthropy as a metaphor for abuse.

Blood & Chocolate, a gothic forbidden romance about a girl from a werewolf clan who falls in love with a human. Twilight, eat your heart out!

Wilderness, based on the Dennis Danvers novel, about a woman who's spent her whole life hiding her lycanthropy until she falls in love.

The Howling is a classic movie about a news anchor who survives an attack, and retreats to a small town that turns out to be the worst place she could've gone.

Cursed, a movie about a bunch of young adults hunting the werewolf that infected them before it's too late.

Lastly Wolfwalkers, the amazing animated film about Irish werewolves struggling against English settler-colonialism and environmental destruction.

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#literally everyone knows 

Bonus:

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When Wednesday says

"I'm not you , mother. I will never fall in love or be a housewife or have a family" is not because she doesn't want to. She even looks sad saying that.

It's only because she thinks her mother wants her with a boy, specifically, and she was never ever ever attracted to any boys.

Because she's a lesbiaaaannnn!

And in this essay I will...

It's even canonized through the novelization that she only goes to the dates with boys because she thinks it's what Enid wants from her: talking about boys and dates.

If only she understands Enid will talk to her about anything and everything.

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I love this !!!!!

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Werewolf Training Bootcamp with Emma Myers.

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The MacArthur Park Wedding Scene: HD Clipped Version

turns out the 1080p movie is already floating around online so of course I had to strip this scene down again to the good parts bc this ship is RUINING MY LIFE.

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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (2024): Phone Popups Clip

So I uuhhh seen a post about this scene (will reblog) that looked like it could use some HD footage for, uhm, RESEARCH.

HERE'S THE GIFs OF IT AS WELL:

AND A COUPLE SCREENIES TOO WHY NOT:

乁( ◔ ౪◔)ㄏ Happy Beetlebabbing <3

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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (2024): Phone Popups Clip

So I uuhhh seen a post about this scene (will reblog) that looked like it could use some HD footage for, uhm, RESEARCH.

HERE'S THE GIFs OF IT AS WELL:

AND A COUPLE SCREENIES TOO WHY NOT:

乁( ◔ ౪◔)ㄏ Happy Beetlebabbing <3

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Every time you watch this edit, an anti's flawed logic is obliterated into a thousand pieces.

credit: link

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character development™ - Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (2024)

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I literally just picture Evelyn & Patrick in American Psycho as Wenclair's dynamic 💀 😂. The way their dynamic would totally match up with Enid/Wednesday lol. Enid planning the wedding & Wednesday being like "whatever". And there's that Reese Witherspoon reference again. The way Enid is literally late 90's/early 2000's Reese Witherspoon...

I am a gomefication of Wednesday hater and lover. Idk how to explain this but I can see Wednesday having dramatic love confessions and going to extreme lengths to make Enid happy, yet at the same time I don’t see her being exactly like her father. Wednesday is a reserved person she wouldn’t do PDA or loose her common sense over Enid, in a way she would be like her mom but also not really. Like she is the combination of both of them and she is her own person, we don’t have to make her fit into her parents relationship dynamic we can just create a new dynamic for them to be their own ship. Wednesday doesn’t need to be either Gomez or Mortician she can be her own person and have a different dynamic. But that’s just my random opinion and I would continue to read gomefication and antigomefication of Wednesday fanfics.

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this is the weirdest live action remake i've seen in my life

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Both schools have archery 🏹.

Both schools have similar architecture.

10 Things I Hate About You VS. Wednesday

This is getting weird.

After my Mean Girls post, I began thinking about how 10 Things I Hate About You would fit the world of Wednesday & I couldn't believe how right I was! 10 Things I Hate About You is the teen version of Shakespeare's play, "The Taming of the Shrew," where Bianca is unable to date until her sister, Kat, finds a suitor as well. All seems lost until Patrick Verona arrives with interest.

-Cameron is a new student at the high school similar to Wednesday as she arrives mid-term.

-Both schools have similar architecture.

-Both schools have archery.

Ms. Perky (Guidance Counselor) = Principal Weems

"Nine schools in 10 years. My, my." -Ms. Perky

"Eight schools in 5 years." -Principal Weems

Patrick Verona AKA Xavier

-Patrick Verona was literally the inspiration for Xavier & his whole tortured artist thing since he and Kat have a scene together throwing paint at one another.

-Saves Kat from falling off a table & potential concussion like Wednesday when the statue almost falls on her and Xavier saves her.

-Buys Kat a guitar with money left over from the bet (at the end of film) like Xavier buys Wednesday a cell phone (end of season).

Bianca Stratford AKA Enid/Bianca

"There's more to her than you think. Look at the way she smiles, and look at her eyes, man. She's totally pure. You're missing what's there." -Cameron

-Bianca Stratford, Kat's sister, and splitting image of Enid Sinclair: wears shades of pink/red girly clothing & is bubbly and upbeat which is the complete opposite of Kat.

- Both of Enid's names literally mean purity.

-We literally have a character in Wednesday named Bianca who does share a scene with Wednesday about how she doesn't care what anyone thinks during a small scene with Kat/Bianca & this very subject.

-Bianca has a friend named Chastity who the writers may have switched some traits between Bianca & her and gave her Bianca's name & Patrick/Xavier as a love interest.

- Bianca is looking for a French tutor & though Cameron doesn't know the language, he promises to learn to tutor her. Reminds me of Morticia/the Addams family knowing the French language.

- Mention of a breakup between a random couple again on the quad. Totally not random that Nevermore Academy also has a quad where the final battle goes down.

-Bianca mentions Kat should try a change in her appearance that reminded me of Enid commenting on Wednesday's dress that she arrived at the school with & how it was a hazard.

-Investigates Kat's room for dating information. Could potentially be something later on.

-Convinces Kat to go to a party and be normal just like Enid does several times in Wednesday like with the Poe Cup, etc.

-Bianca & Patrick do share one moment/scene together where he asks Kat "who knocked her up".

-Ashamed to be Kat's sister which definitely lines up more with Bianca in the beginning of the season rather than Enid who was open to being Wednesday's friend.

-Punches Joey in the face and defending Cameron/Kat similar to Enid wolfing out & stopping Tyler from attacking Wednesday in his Hyde form.

Katarina "Kat" Stratford AKA Wednesday

-Kat literally represents everything about Wednesday: her cleverness, wit, rebellious attitude.

- "The way you expressed your opinion to Bobby Ridgeway? By the way, his testicle retrieval operation went quite well." -Ms. Perky to Kat

This is literally a parallel to Wednesday setting the piranhas on the boys terrorizing her brother and how its later said the boy lost one testicle. However, Kat's situation with Bobby was caused by kicking himself in the balls. I see you writers 👀. In addition, Kat aids Ms. Perky in a synonym for a word she is looking for as she's writing an erotic novel. Another parallel to Wednesday though she's all about crime.

-The way Julia Stiles (who plays Kat) moves her facial muscles & her eyeballs to represent emotion just radiates emotion. Just look at the scene in the music store!

- Likes feminist prose while Wednesday has Mary Shelley as an idol she's trying to best.

-Gets called a psycho by her sister for maiming a vehicle.

-Big dance scene at a party where Kat knows how to move her body!

-Mother issues similar to Wednesday with Morticia.

-Kats plays guitar, Wednesday the cello.

-People are scared of Kat/Wednesday.

-Kat says her father wants her to be someone she's not (like Bianca) which reminded me of Wednesday's conversation with her mother about how she'd never be a housewife, a mother, etc.

-"The impressive patriarchal values that dictate our education." -Kat Stratford

“So you were guided by latent chivalry, the tool of the patriarchy, to extract my undying gratitude?” -Wednesday

Just wanted to get my thoughts down. There's even more references & ideas to other films where I bet the writers drew inspiration from that I may post about soon. I hope people are enjoying these little tidbits. Till next post! 👋. PS: This post is for you @karmaajr

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And something else I just thought of: Gretchen's iconic quote "that's so fetch" is literally a dog/wolf pun! Definitely a mind-blowing parallel in my mind to Enid 🤯.

Mean Girls VS. Wednesday AKA Enid Sinclair = Gretchen Wieners

"Gretchen Wieners knows everybody's business. She knows everything about everyone." -Janis Ian

Remind us of anyone??

Enid Sinclair/Gretchen Wieners are both gossip queens of their schools.

-Enid has her own gossip blog.

-Also, Gretchen gives Cady the info of the school & its cliques similar to Enid with Wednesday - considering both Cady & Wednesday are new students.

- Cady dresses up as an ex-wife to a zombie. Sounds like something Wednesday would do.

-"I'll never tell Regina what you said. It'll be our little secret." Similar to Wednesday sharing a sacred memory of what happened to her pet Nero & Enid saying she'll never tell anyone.

-Jason goes out with someone else just like Ajax at the Rave'N dance.

-Gretchen & Enid give it their all to gain the affections of Jason and Ajax.

-Enid & Wednesday dress up like cats for the Poe Cup like Gretchen for the Halloween party.

-And isn't it funny that Wednesday's pet was named Nero (Roman Emperor) equivalent to Gretchen mentioning Caesar & Brutus in her essay to the class when totally done with being under Regina's foot?? I see parallels...

-Gretchen is ALWAYS on Regina's left just like Wednesday told Enid to be on her left in one scene.

-Wednesday uses Enid as a source of info for her investigations (concerning Xavier, Bianca) just like Cady with getting info about Regina's private life.

-Gretchen attempting to turn the radio off with force ends up hitting Jason in the face comparable to when Enid and Ajax are making out & she almost scratches him with her claws.

-Gretchen & Enid both have anger issues with Gretchen losing it over Regina's constant rejections and Enid destroying a school bus when Ajax fails to show for their date. Definitely potential foreshadowing for a falling out between Enid & Wednesday too.

-"The meaner Regina was to her, the more Gretchen tried to win her back." Sounds similar to when Enid & Wednesday had their argument & the aftermath with Enid visiting their room 3 times in 24 hours.

-Gretchen lacks an identity all film. In her last scene, she's in another group but still trying to figure out her place just like with Enid in between the normals and the Werewolves.

Did anyone see how there is a paw print in the same shot as Gretchen that says "lion pride" 👀...

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10 Things I Hate About You VS. Wednesday

This is getting weird.

After my Mean Girls post, I began thinking about how 10 Things I Hate About You would fit the world of Wednesday & I couldn't believe how right I was! 10 Things I Hate About You is the teen version of Shakespeare's play, "The Taming of the Shrew," where Bianca is unable to date until her sister, Kat, finds a suitor as well. All seems lost until Patrick Verona arrives with interest.

-Cameron is a new student at the high school similar to Wednesday as she arrives mid-term.

-Both schools have similar architecture.

-Both schools have archery.

Ms. Perky (Guidance Counselor) = Principal Weems

"Nine schools in 10 years. My, my." -Ms. Perky

"Eight schools in 5 years." -Principal Weems

Patrick Verona AKA Xavier

-Patrick Verona was literally the inspiration for Xavier & his whole tortured artist thing since he and Kat have a scene together throwing paint at one another.

-Saves Kat from falling off a table & potential concussion like Wednesday when the statue almost falls on her and Xavier saves her.

-Buys Kat a guitar with money left over from the bet (at the end of film) like Xavier buys Wednesday a cell phone (end of season).

Bianca Stratford AKA Enid/Bianca

"There's more to her than you think. Look at the way she smiles, and look at her eyes, man. She's totally pure. You're missing what's there." -Cameron

-Bianca Stratford, Kat's sister, and splitting image of Enid Sinclair: wears shades of pink/red girly clothing & is bubbly and upbeat which is the complete opposite of Kat.

- Both of Enid's names literally mean purity.

-We literally have a character in Wednesday named Bianca who does share a scene with Wednesday about how she doesn't care what anyone thinks during a small scene with Kat/Bianca & this very subject.

-Bianca has a friend named Chastity who the writers may have switched some traits between Bianca & her and gave her Bianca's name & Patrick/Xavier as a love interest.

- Bianca is looking for a French tutor & though Cameron doesn't know the language, he promises to learn to tutor her. Reminds me of Morticia/the Addams family knowing the French language.

- Mention of a breakup between a random couple again on the quad. Totally not random that Nevermore Academy also has a quad where the final battle goes down.

-Bianca mentions Kat should try a change in her appearance that reminded me of Enid commenting on Wednesday's dress that she arrived at the school with & how it was a hazard.

-Investigates Kat's room for dating information. Could potentially be something later on.

-Convinces Kat to go to a party and be normal just like Enid does several times in Wednesday like with the Poe Cup, etc.

-Bianca & Patrick do share one moment/scene together where he asks Kat "who knocked her up".

-Ashamed to be Kat's sister which definitely lines up more with Bianca in the beginning of the season rather than Enid who was open to being Wednesday's friend.

-Punches Joey in the face and defending Cameron/Kat similar to Enid wolfing out & stopping Tyler from attacking Wednesday in his Hyde form.

Katarina "Kat" Stratford AKA Wednesday

-Kat literally represents everything about Wednesday: her cleverness, wit, rebellious attitude.

- "The way you expressed your opinion to Bobby Ridgeway? By the way, his testicle retrieval operation went quite well." -Ms. Perky to Kat

This is literally a parallel to Wednesday setting the piranhas on the boys terrorizing her brother and how its later said the boy lost one testicle. However, Kat's situation with Bobby was caused by kicking himself in the balls. I see you writers 👀. In addition, Kat aids Ms. Perky in a synonym for a word she is looking for as she's writing an erotic novel. Another parallel to Wednesday though she's all about crime.

-The way Julia Stiles (who plays Kat) moves her facial muscles & her eyeballs to represent emotion just radiates emotion. Just look at the scene in the music store!

- Likes feminist prose while Wednesday has Mary Shelley as an idol she's trying to best.

-Gets called a psycho by her sister for maiming a vehicle.

-Big dance scene at a party where Kat knows how to move her body!

-Mother issues similar to Wednesday with Morticia.

-Kats plays guitar, Wednesday the cello.

-People are scared of Kat/Wednesday.

-Kat says her father wants her to be someone she's not (like Bianca) which reminded me of Wednesday's conversation with her mother about how she'd never be a housewife, a mother, etc.

-"The impressive patriarchal values that dictate our education." -Kat Stratford

“So you were guided by latent chivalry, the tool of the patriarchy, to extract my undying gratitude?” -Wednesday

Just wanted to get my thoughts down. There's even more references & ideas to other films where I bet the writers drew inspiration from that I may post about soon. I hope people are enjoying these little tidbits. Till next post! 👋. PS: This post is for you @karmaajr

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Mean Girls VS. Wednesday AKA Enid Sinclair = Gretchen Wieners

"Gretchen Wieners knows everybody's business. She knows everything about everyone." -Janis Ian

Remind us of anyone??

Enid Sinclair/Gretchen Wieners are both gossip queens of their schools.

-Enid has her own gossip blog.

-Also, Gretchen gives Cady the info of the school & its cliques similar to Enid with Wednesday - considering both Cady & Wednesday are new students.

- Cady dresses up as an ex-wife to a zombie. Sounds like something Wednesday would do.

-"I'll never tell Regina what you said. It'll be our little secret." Similar to Wednesday sharing a sacred memory of what happened to her pet Nero & Enid saying she'll never tell anyone.

-Jason goes out with someone else just like Ajax at the Rave'N dance.

-Gretchen & Enid give it their all to gain the affections of Jason and Ajax.

-Enid & Wednesday dress up like cats for the Poe Cup like Gretchen for the Halloween party.

-And isn't it funny that Wednesday's pet was named Nero (Roman Emperor) equivalent to Gretchen mentioning Caesar & Brutus in her essay to the class when totally done with being under Regina's foot?? I see parallels...

-Gretchen is ALWAYS on Regina's left just like Wednesday told Enid to be on her left in one scene.

-Wednesday uses Enid as a source of info for her investigations (concerning Xavier, Bianca) just like Cady with getting info about Regina's private life.

-Gretchen attempting to turn the radio off with force ends up hitting Jason in the face comparable to when Enid and Ajax are making out & she almost scratches him with her claws.

-Gretchen & Enid both have anger issues with Gretchen losing it over Regina's constant rejections and Enid destroying a school bus when Ajax fails to show for their date. Definitely potential foreshadowing for a falling out between Enid & Wednesday too.

-"The meaner Regina was to her, the more Gretchen tried to win her back." Sounds similar to when Enid & Wednesday had their argument & the aftermath with Enid visiting their room 3 times in 24 hours.

-Gretchen lacks an identity all film. In her last scene, she's in another group but still trying to figure out her place just like with Enid in between the normals and the Werewolves.

Did anyone see how there is a paw print in the same shot as Gretchen that says "lion pride" 👀...