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Hi.. we recognized ourselves in the programmer... especially in the flood..

So... it's just stress??

I'm uncertain what you're saying, but I'm guessing you have symptoms that align with experiences of supposed "alter programming". Many of these are symptoms of DID, dissociation, psychosis, stress, and similar.

For me, what I thought was a "programmed" flood was almost always because of going too fast with recovery. A very typical reaction for those with DID who were digging into their memories and confronting the source of their various traumas before they were ready. A flood of emotions, feelings, and memories is a symptom many people deal with, regardless of whether they went through extreme abuse or not.

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I've looked at deprogram wiki before and some bits I remember

"Bitch" programming (bitch as in dog related programming, one type was called depressive bitch ??? It was very bizarre to read, especially the quotes made me laugh. I think it was also mentioned as being connected to the nazis)

Injuries, disabilities (such as physical and neurological) were programming related. A part of it was programming related symbols being able to be seen via blacklight.

Yeaaah, there's a lot of strange things on there. I do still plan to look into it myself, but right now, I have some pretty big things with my own recovery of DID, so I'm having to put that before a deep dive. (Plus some stuff related to coming out about my abusers fully, who are public figures).

I am actually gonna look into this a bit tonight but it may be a while until I have a post out just fyi for anyone interested.

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deprogramwiki might also be something interesting to look into (though it's mainly the same shit but IIRC it sources stuff from Sivali)

Thank you! I'll check that out. I know it was mentioned in many of the spaces I was in previously. I think it would be good for me to go over.

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lol from the replies of that post I reblogged (and got the reblogs turned off ahahahaha) last night

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The fact that people are treating the idea that men have privilege over women as like. An example of "radfem" thought and a dangerous indication of trans women falling for "TERF" thought is actually quite scary. This is like basic feminism. No, this idea isn't contradicted by intersectionality. What are we doing here.

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The fact that people are treating the idea that men have privilege over women as like. An example of "radfem" thought and a dangerous indication of trans women falling for "TERF" thought is actually quite scary. This is like basic feminism. No, this idea isn't contradicted by intersectionality. What are we doing here.

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Doctors are taught "when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras."

This results in every chronically ill and disabled person to be neglected and never diagnosed or treated.

Doctors are taught that it always must be horses, zebras are so rare that that cant possibly be what they have. Doctors are told they are smarter than their patients, that they always know whats best for them, and that they know more about the patients body than they do. They are taught that anyone who is not easy to save or cure must be lying or exaggerating because "zebras are rare".

When someone chronically ill and undiagnosed does their own research and asks the doctors to test for specific things, this challenges what doctors have been taught: that they are smarter and better than patients, and know everything they need.

This results in doctors becoming defensive, hostile, abusive, and neglectful towards their chronically ill patients.

Doctors are not properly trained to deal with people with illnesses that are chronic and cannot be cured, their practice is based around helping abled people. This is because our society doesn't care about disabled people, and actively lie and say we are rare and meaningless and therefore should not be considered.

Doctors quickly become desensitized to human suffering in their job. Instead of caring about their patients they worry that they are drug addicts and if they give the drug addicts drugs they will lose their job. They would rather let everyone suffer than possibly give medication to someone who may be lying. They believe the worst thing imaginable is someone lying to them for drugs, so they assume every person with complex problems must be a drug addict and they must protect themselves by not treating them.

This leads to pain, suffering, and the death of many chronically ill and disabled people.

Being a doctor is being in a position of gross power. Your life is at their whim and they are taught to never acknowledge zebras. They are taught to let you die rather than possibly be lied to.

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"These somewhat similar statues/buildings across the world PROVE they were all made by one group!" (usually ancient aliens or a unknown ancient empire) theories are always pretty unconvincing, but the greatest is this meme of identical Olmec heads in Mexico and Ethiopia, which doesn't even bother to crop out the plaque saying "from the people of Mexico to the people of Ethiopia, 2010". Like why bother

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"It's weird to be interested in X thing if you don't believe in it" is an expression of anti-intellectualism, whether you realize it or not.

It is important that people are interested in things they don't believe in, actually. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I am interested in the way they arise from people's anxieties and the way they impact society. Also, without this interest, I couldn't be out here educating people on the conspiracy theories used by the far right so they can recognize them for what they are when they come across them.

I don't believe in Christianity, but I am extremely interested in how the religion developed and shaped politics and societies throughout the years. This also empowers me to use actual facts to explain why Christianity isn't actually self-evidently correct in the way many believers claim instead of relying on conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims made up by some guy in the 19th century.

A strong belief that people shouldn't be interested in things they don't believe in is also a kind of puritanism. It begins with the belief that good people should believe in X, and if they believe in X, then they should have no interest in Y, because if they have an interest in Y then they don't really believe in X and they aren't good people.

Puritanism and anti-intellectualism go hand-in-hand, remember that.

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I feel like trying to get down my actual beliefs about how transphobia functions dependent upon your form of transness. I'm probably going to be hated by a lot of sides but here's a bunch of takes I have that I can think of. I'll say they for all groups but I'm transfem and transmasc and transneu. I'm a bit of a mess with my identity and consider myself an intersex nonbinary trans woman.

Binary trans people have privilege over nonbinary trans people. Exorsexism is real and there is a specific way those who do not fit into the binary are treated. Many people like myself feel forced to "pick a side" in addition to their nonbinary identity to be respected.

Trans men have privilege over trans women. If any trans affirming space has anyone who hasn't deconstructed patriarchy they will be more likely to care about trans men than women. Studies have also found trans men make more. Beyond that they have the privilege of NOT being hyper visible in the same way trans women and transfems are.

Trans women have privilege over trans men. This is from them NOT being invisible to the public. They have the privilege of not having the specific issues unique to transmascs (though they are still oppressed)

People who use only standard pronouns have privilege over those who only use neopronouns

All perisex trans people have privilege over intersex trans people.

Being intersex doesn't inherently make you trans but a lot of intersex people are trans and identify as such.

Transfem doesn't imply AMAB

Transmasc doesn't imply AFAB

Transneu isn't just for enbies and xenogendered people

Honeybee transfem and Coffeebean transmasc is not that big of an issue.

Bæddel is a slur against both transfems and intersex people and randomly calling people that is transmisogynistic and intersexist. The archaic slur refered to both groups.

Theyfab is a slur against any trans person who is perceived to be AFAB and originated on 4chan it's not some super cool term coined by transfeminists.

TME/TMA is a good framework the problem is that people keep forcing the idea that people who are TMA are not enough of a true transsexual uhhhh I mean uhhh "real transfem" to be allowed to discuss their own oppression.

There's a genuine issue with some trans people on this platform despising trans men and mascs and wanting to do harm to them.

There's a genuine issue with some trans people on this platform despising trans women and fems and wanting to do harm to them.

There's a genuine issue with some trans people on this platform despising transneus and enbies and wanting to do harm to them.

TERFs have made fake blogs on all sides of infighting and sided with whoever they think can help them in their mission to break apart the community. Some claim to be transfeminists some claim to be working hard against transandrophobia.

Part of the invisibility trans men face is the erasure of their oppression.

Hate for trans men and mascs and hate for trans women is not and never has been caused by fear nor hatred of men. It is always because they are not upholding patriarchy. TERFs often reinforce brutal sexist conditions. They are not and never were feminists.

Anti-transmasculinity is a better term than transandrophobia due to its definition and coiner. Trans masc people are not oppressed because of fear of men but because of fear of transgression against the cis sexist binary.

I may have more later but that's all for now.

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I'm pissed

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/us/politics/us-olympics-trans-women-athletes-ban-trump.html?smtyp=cur&smid=bsky-nytimes

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Children Of The Waning Star

So I've seen this supposed "TikTok Cult" around with the title of Children Of The Warning Star. As an actual cult survivor myself the kinds of content people have made surrounding this situation and the statements said both about the supposed "cult" and its members have been actively getting on my nerves. So I want to begin by saying I don't know enough myself to feel confident going in depth here. I recommend checking out this video by a cult survivor talking about her opinions on it, I watched it and think it's pretty good.

The issue I want to address here is not this TikTok "cult" itself but rather some of the reactions to it.

People are blaming people for joining what they believe to be a real cult that has included ritualistic self harm or animal sacrifice (the proof for both is limited but people do believe this is happening).

As someone who's been in two cults... It is absolutely NEVER your fault for joining a cult especially if it's a real cult. This is encouraging victim blaming and the fact even other cult survivors have mocked people for being in this situation. These are people who presumably believe this is a real cult getting mad at victims for being a part of it.

Even in the rare cases that someone does join a cult knowing it's a cult- it is not their fault for being abused. Abusers are still obligated not to abuse people. It is wrong for someone to abuse someone even if that victim knew it would happen. I had been told so often that my cult leader in the second cult I was in was a predator and evil but I didn't believe it because she convinced me it wasn't true. I should've technically known better... Was it my fault that a 42 year old groomed me into her cult when I was 18/19 then? Should I be laughed at and mocked for ever being a part of such a group?

I would say no. That borderline child that I was wasn't aware enough of themselves to be safe. It wasn't my fault that I got caught up in something I thought would be good.

In this case most people saw Children Of The Waning Star as some dumb joke that's fun to roleplay along with. This isn't the first time someone has started a joke cult. But there are in fact psychotic people (those with real psychosis) who have been caught up in this and been in dangerous situations people have also claimed to see others self harm and carve the symbol into their own bodies which could be possible. Things like this can be taken too far and often are when they get popular and introduced to a large amount of people. I think the greater harm and possibility for a true cult at this point comes from isolated discord servers those going along with this have created.

Is it the fault of these people (primarily children) that they got involved with a trend that has a very real harm both to cult survivors and those who are currently psychotic? Should the children who took this trend too seriously be blamed? Should the mentally ill people who's psychosis latched onto this concept be mocked and derided?

No. Never. This is not okay.

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It's all "male socialization" this and "AMAB privilege" that right up to the point where a trans woman says "hey, I've seen this shit a million times before and what you're doing right now is a classic, archetypal panic from the type of guy who feels like his claim to masculinity is being threatened, this is really unhealthy and you need to work on the underlying insecurity instead of taking it out on a group of women" at which point we cannot possibly have considered men's perspectives.

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Something people need to acknowledge is that it is possible to feel attacked by information that merely challenges your beliefs and prejudices, but that this feeling does not come from a having a big ego. It comes from trauma from previous experiences where someone really did attack you in the name of education or correction.

It is not a moral failing to feel this way, it is trauma that needs to be healed. Anyone who makes you like your trauma response is morally wrong is not a healthy person for you to be around.

It must also be acknowledged that some people in activist spaces are repeating the kind of behavior that leaves people with education/correction-related trauma (see authoritarian parenting) and that some people feel attacked because they are, in fact, being attacked.

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I find it interesting that conspiracy theorists like Fritz Springmeier claim the Illuminati, a cult of Luciferians behind Project Monarch, believes that bad deeds have to be balanced out by good deeds when like... hmmm, how does "Biblical parenting" according to conservative US Protestants go again?

Times of discipline should always end on a positive note, with prayers, hugs, and confirmation of your love for each other.  This needs to be an intentional time of apology, acceptance and restoration of the relationship.

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It's almost like Project Monarch conspiracy theories are an exaggeration of the way conservative Protestant culture practices child torture in the name of discipline.