#zelref rant

[zeldareference]

one thing i hate so bad is how the fanon and the canon of undertale have mingled together so much that sometimes when ppl try to remove the fanon from the canon they accidentaly remove actual canon too 😭😭

like, i feel like this could apply to most characters, but as usual, the main victims of this i think r sans n chara

with chara for example: since most of the "early" fanon for chara was basically "theyre the most evil corrupted malicious being ever, they can do no good, and r filled with HATE 😈😈" when the fandom grew out of that and tried to remove all the false info that had plagued chara's character (aka: negative traits chara did NOT have in canon, like forcing frisk to do the geno route for example) they accidentaly removed ACTUAL negative traits chara had in game, like hating humanity, manipulating asriel, wanting to kill the humans at the village, etc, and we instead ended up with a (somewhat) fanon chara in the opposite end of the spectrum from the last one: chara has no flaws and is an innocent angel

this, of course, happened with sans too. his fanon went from "super emotional about everything, especially during his fight" to "he could honestly care less about anything, even his own brother's death"

like, i feel like the complete rejection of ANYTHING that leans even a little bit into "2016 type fanon" is what created this newer fanon that also completely misunderstands the characters

not wanting to paint chara into a bad light at ALL, bc thats what made the cringey 2016 fanon happen, IS what created the "unflawed chara" fanon; bc ppl took away all the REAL flaws chara actually had

not wanting to make sans be emotional about ANYTHING, bc thats what created cringey 2016 fanon, IS what created "completely careless apathetic sans" fanon; bc it boiled down into making sans not care about anything at all

anyway!! dis whole rant was inspired by an actual convo i had where someone said i had been "playing fanontale" bc i mentioned that chara did, in fact, hate humanity n also werent really described to b the best person...... when this is all told to u by asriel himself in the game...... n then i had thoughts abt why this whole "they would not fucking say that" thing happens with characters that would, in fact, fucking say that..... yehahh

[zeldareference]

if the creator is completely fine with ppl headcanoning cross as trans or pointing out that he’s trans coded and even made a post somewhat agreeing with it then who the hell r u to be like “wow this literally makes no sense u ppl r so weird for this n dont get cross at all!!” like, its literally something so harmless that can bring comfort to ppl and affects his character on NOTHING so idk why ur acting like its a cardinal sin 💀 its fine if u personally dont like the headcanon ig, but to come here acting like anyone who thinks he’s trans coded is an idiot who doesnt get him as a character (which is crazy bc, again, THE LITERAL CREATOR made a post agreeing), and then making a whole essay with pictures and drawings and examples on why its WRONG and STUPID is literally the most self-righteous thing i’ve ever seen 😭 like, this may b news to u, but ur personal take on a character is not the only valid one!! ppl can have different points of view/interpretations on what the experiences of a character represent and still be right!! so being all like “ermmmm u guys js don’t get cross at all unlike me n ur headcanon sucks” js bc it doesn’t align with what YOU think of him is, like i said, self-righteous as fuck LMAO

also, idk about u guys, but i think authors know a lot more abt their own characters than a rando on tumblr tweaking over some trans coding… like, calling jakei’s post a “weird and incomprehensible thing” js bc u dont agree w/ it when jakei is THE AUTHOR is CRAZY, its genuine not that serious bro, u’ll be fine if fictional skeleton number #128374790 is transgender 😭

[zeldareference]

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[zeldareference]

hello, im someone who is Very normal, so Very Very Normal. and Common about horror!sans and horrortale.... so im gonna give my thoughts bc this is also something ive been pondering...

id say it happened as, like, a sort of slippery slope in a way???

i believe that when people started making horror designs where he was, like, very big and looming n stuff it was mostly bc they didnt know the lore of horrortale, or at least hadnt read the comic, so they js saw an AU where all the monsters were a lot scarier, unhinged, and even "beastly", n they started making fanart and fan designs of horror!sans with only that vibe in mind and nothing else, which led to designs where he looked (and/or acted) a lot more beast-like and monstrous compared to other sanses..

that, ofc, doesnt really work in the context of horrortale, bc the only reason why the monsters even look (and partly act) the way they do is bc they eat all the humans that fall down, and that changes something in them, HOWEVER, eating humans is something that horror!sans refuses to do, and which is also the reason why he looks mostly normal compared to all the other monsters in horrortale, so, yk, in all truth he should js look like a kinda fucked up classic, or maybe a wider classic or smthn like that according to his reference sheet (LMAO) (although.. shouldnt he look, like, maybe slightly smaller considering he hasnt eaten anything in i think 7 years...?? or maybe js like u said, look like a sticky wet rat 😭 maybe thats why he looks so "pointy"?? or maybe thats js sour apple's artstyle lawl)

howeverrrr, these fan designs r what i think made the main fanon horror!sans happen, like, id say ppl saw this big and scary looking sans and went "hold on!! what if.. gentle giant trope..." which, if we're being COMPLETELY honest, horror!sans doesnt fit at ALL 😭 he is NOT gentle and he is NOT a giant, hes a short asshole who loves making cruel jokes and messing with aliza for fun, but in fanon, i think bc of his "rounder" appearance caused by the previous fanon, he's usually interpreted as, like, the softer kinda chill one of the group, the kinda soft-hearted one, or the one whos js there to watch stuff happen... which, again, doesnt really fit the character we've been presented in the horrortale comics

im not saying fanon is bad tho!! if u like fanon horror better than canon horror then thats completely fine, its all abt js having fun anyway 🤷 and i also dont blame those artists for getting the design or the personality ""wrong"" or smthn, not everyone is gonna do a 10 hour deep dive into the canon of an AU js for a fanart or a tiktok or smthn LMAO

I need someone who's Very Normal, Totally Normal, about Horror Sans and Horrortale to explain to me how they think canon Horror turned into fanon Horror.

I like both, I'm just extremely curious. For everyone else whose fanon is different from their canon, it's usually due to the exaggeration of already present traits. Oh, Swap energetic but small? Blueberry is a child. Oh, Fell looks like he could be angry, give him constant anger issues (note: I know we didn't have more than fell's design back then). Oh, Killer and Ink make jokes sometimes, make them constantly unserious.

But Horror?

(Art by sour-apple-studios)

This guy? He carries himself like a wet rat. A sticky wet rat, and I mean that affectionately. I love you canon Horror.

How did he turn into the equivalent of a big dog that goes "Boof"?

Again, I'm just curious