#yall anons are killing me am I having a conversation with 4 of you simultaneously? lol XD

[rouge-fauna]

I rewatched some old vods and I don't think their friendship was fake. theres enough evidence to show that tommy looked up to dream and wasnt doing all it for clout though I'm referring to 2020-2021. In 2022, people said that tommy wanted to meet dream but based on tweets I've noticed ,it seems like he only wanted to meet him for the sake of content and once he wasnt doing vlogs anymore, he suddenly didnt want to meet dream anymore. Theres also a ton of moments where tommy defends dream in 2022-2023, but its really hard to tell if its genuine and from his own thoughts or if he is making fun of dream stans who say it. I noticed he put dream on a very high pedastal and he complimented dreams youtube videos a lot and compliments dreams advice to him but he rarely ever compliments dream as a person which contrasts how he spoke about his other friends. I think their dynamic was very complicated since like every person tommy liked would always get into problems with dream like bitzel, harry, jack, and tommy had a problem with people leaving him on read and dream struggled with responding to people which complicated things further I'm guessing.

Though I go by what Dream said. They were close in 2020-2021 until Tommy made that grooming joke about him then Dream distanced from him. They were friends on a content creator level after that like dream a while back hinted at how no one turned on him and that everyone he was close with a year ago (2022) he is close with now and mentions creator friendships. And then 2023 they were on good terms for the start of it. If tommy genuinely saw dream as a friend, he must have no idea how that works because from what I've noticed, he prioritized content creation and fan praise over friendship which is horrible. Tommy in his podcast referred to him and dream in the past as close while simultaneously insulting him and viewing everything he did as negative, that was weird to me.

People can be very good at lying… I mean I’m not saying Tommy was but it also wouldn’t surprise me. Sure it looked real in 2020-2021 but that don’t really mean it was… I mean Tommy was kind erotic at that time sometimes treating even Tubbo like shit so it’s hard to say. Not that I’m trying to say your observation skills are bad, but that if we are assuming the absolute worst of Tommy and assuming he’s a manipulator who maybe even lacks much empathy then, it could be fair to say he’s a good actor and liar.

As far as 2022-2023 goes I think the reasoning Dream is currently thinking about is that he was staying loyal for the sake of the USMP. I didn’t think about his friends having issues with Dream that is an interesting point… Dream leaving people unread? Oof how adhd of him XD lol, too relatable. But also all my friends do the same to me sooo I can considerate with the other side, it is frustrating (what I get for having like majority of friends with adhd lol)… yeah I have noticed that Dream will compliment Tommy as a person and say he’s funny and stuff but Tommy doesn’t really do that for Dream, course I just figured that was a personality and he didn’t do it in general but hearing that he does for his other friends is definitely interesting…

I didn’t get pick up that the grooming joke in 2020-2021 was the start of Dream distancing himself. I thought they were using it as an example of an instance where Dream sense too long of text message that came across as aggressive and upsetting for Tommy? And that because Tommy made jokes like it even before the allegations it made it okay or at least made sense why he’d continue to do so or something. Maybe I’m wrong. The finale was in what? November so they were friends up until the end of 2023, maybe not as close because they weren’t streaming together all the time anymore but still friends at least from Dream’s perspective…

“If tommy genuinely saw dream as a friend, he must have no idea how that works because from what I've noticed, he prioritized content creation and fan praise over friendship which is horrible. Tommy in his podcast referred to him and dream in the past as close while simultaneously insulting him and viewing everything he did as negative, that was weird to me.” I think you are on the money here, it’s my thoughts exactly. If Tommy and Dream were really friends this is a not how you treat him and it is weird to talk about how close you were but also claiming he manipulated and abused you or whatever. Like which is it? Were you close friends? Or did he manipulate you and hurt you from the start? Which is it’s all the times you’ve talked positively over the years about Dream or recently shit talking him? I mean yea as Tubbo says you can change your mind about someone but this is different because Tommy isn’t saying he’s stopped being Dream’s friend because of a recent thing he’s done but if past things which doesn’t make sense. As someone said recently - how can Dream manipulate and abuse you and stuff when you’ve never met in person. Just hang up the phone and stop talking to him. If he was so horrible and you continued to be his friend that’s because you were using him…