#wyll deserves better

[monsterlimbs]

I think whoever wrote the responses to Wyll actually fucking hated him with a burning passion because he'll say "I will be severely punished come nightfall" and all of the responses are "GOOD you deserve it and also I hope your dad hates you and also? I hope you never get laid ever again and you're in a permanent state of worry" after he's been nothing but nice to you.

Every conversation is like

"My father and I... we really didn't have a good relationship. When I was young, I tried so hard to live up to the expectations he set for me. But in the end, it wasn't enough. ...I wasn't enough. He abandoned me when I took on a devilish patron to save the city he so cherished."

1) GOOD.

2) Lol. Skill issue.

3) Kill yourself.

"I've caused every illness in the world I think actually, when I only saved 79 out of the 80 children in need."

1) Yeah. You definitely did.

2) That child suffered because of you. What was one more child saved? Come on. You could've saved ONE more child.

3) You monster. How could you abandon that child?

"I think I deserve everything coming to me.... I try to do everything right but it's never enough. Even my father didn't think I was a child worth loving. But I suppose that's what happens, when you live a life like mine. If my pain is what is needed to relieve others, I will serve without complaint, I swear on my heart and soul."

NO FUCKING RESPONSES AVAILABLE. Why can't I comfort him when he talks to me? Anytime he says something sad, you can either make fun of him, brush him off, or wish eternal suffering on his bloodline. Or when he's like "I deserve all this pain" you just have to say "Onto other matters." or LEAVE. And he so sweetly goes "Understood. These matters are a bit... difficult to hear about. I'm so sorry I burdened you with my history." AHHHHHH

Or when he says something like

"When I was young, the frontiers called and forced me into a line of duty. I'd have it no other way, I live to serve the people and protect the weak." and the responses are

1) Lol nerd.

2) [Durge] I bet I can kill them faster than you can save them

3) I bet the children cry when they see your horrible face.

4) You are so fucking cringe. Did you know that? You talk like a damn book. Get a fucking life.

[gameguy20100]

The fact Gale and Wyll get more hate for info dumping, and trying to save people by selling his soul to a devil than Astarion gets for abducting children and laughing about it makes me genuinely angry.

The hells is wrong with people?

[churchofsnails]

was playing bg3 and noticed that there’s yet another fuck up with wyll’s greeting line 💀 now instead of well met i’m being talked to like he hates me 😭😭 he deserves so much better i’m so sorry my beautiful king 💔

[skullywullypully]

I'm a bit confused about why Counsellor Florrick Mizora's word (a literal devil) over Wyll's?

[wildskissed]

Spoilery rant under the cut:

So, The Emperor gets a whole 10 minute intimate/sex scene, and Wyll seems to get...nothing?!?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the Emperor's scene, and I'm more than happy that they gave us Halsin (I was one of the people that was asking for him during Early Access) but like...could they not have added that stuff in for us and given us Minthara as well because we asked, AFTER they had worked on Wyll? Where is his stuff? Why does he feel like such an after thought?

Gale was always going to be my main squeeze because I attach to game characters quick, but I always thought I'd get to go through multiple runs and see what everyone's stories were. The more I see, I feel like Wyll got sidelined in his own game, while the other characters that they added in after the fact, have gotten way more attention, and it's just sad. If anyone wants to prove me wrong, so be it, but all I see is a whole lot of DISAPPOINTMENT.

#JusticeForWyll

[biromanticacemess]

kinda dissapointed with patch 6 so I'm just gonna play the mass effect trilogy again

[syundae]

i’ve seen posts about astarion and gale in cowboy hats, but no one mentions cowboy wyll, who objectively looks the best

[sauronpilled]

the people princess.

[loudlittleecho]

“[Wyll’s] supposed to be one of the main characters, a fucking origin character”!!!

honestly i think it was a mistake to add halsin and minthara to the companion pool bc like.... if your main characters are lacking in personality and story, there is absolutely no reason to pile on more work and add more characters who don't add anything. and seeing how they both barely have any content or are bugged, it was a complete waste to prioritize them over wyll.

there's better posts out there going into detail, I'm just venting here, but overall wyll could've been so important to the main plot. he's the goddamn son of the duke of baldur's gate. he's literally connected to the city we're trying to save (or destroy).... like how is it that even the emperor has more depth than wyll's story? even during his quest in wyrmway, it just happens to be about the emperor and wyll is treated as a side character. he's supposed to be one of the main characters, a fucking origin character, and yet he's treated like an inconsequential hireling by the devs throughout the entire game (and dont get me started on people/the devs downplaying his trauma... but no one makes jokes about ast*rions trauma. very professional).

I would much rather have a few fleshed out companions than a massive pool of lifeless bethesda npcs. hell, I'd sacrifice all romance if it meant the main characters were actually well developed. and as much as I enjoy the side companions, I swear it even feels like minsc and jaheira have more involvement in the main story than wyll does. it's just not a good look and it's so frustrating that this keeps happening. I need devs to grow a spine and commit to their work, because if you don't care enough about a character to give it your all, then don't even bother trying. people can tell when media is half-assed. wyll deserved better.

[vitanithepure]

Tagging with spoilers just to be sure, but this is just a general thought. Nothing the companions don't tell you early into our relationships.

But like do you guys ever just stop and think how totally messed up and traumatized they all are? Like the Absolute just broke into a mental institute, stole the records of all the patients and decided "yeah, we need them as True Souls, they're perfect!".

And on top of all that, they get tadpoles, witness horrors beyond everything they ever experienced, get thrown into a crazy cult's plot to obliterate the Sword Coast and they are expected to function?

Like, I sometimes struggle to get out of bed in the morning. How do they cope with all this? It's baffling!

Putting the companion details under the cut.

We have Lae'zel, indoctrinated since she hatched from an egg and started to strangle others for the glory of her lich queen.

Shadowheart, taken advantage of, with her wiped memory and sent on a "don't ask any questions" mission by her goddess and her cult.

Karlach, betrayed and forced to fight in the bloodies and most vicious war this world knows. Her heart stolen, and with it her ability to even touch other people.

Wyll, who sacrificed a part of himself to save a whole city and, in return, was estranged with his family based on a deception.

Gale, groomed and tossed aside, and all he has left from it is a death sentence.

And Astarion, an asshole, turned into a monster by another asshole, with 200 years worth of abuse?

And while some of them did slip up, the resulting trauma they were served was in no way justified. I want to strangle each person that made them miserable.

And this seems to be the crux of all their stories. They all had this one bastard that made them the way they are and are *not* dealing with it the right way because how can they with all the other shit going on?

[gameguy20100]

I will never forgive Larian for neglecting two of the main characters and leaving their stories on a cliffhanger.

Yet bending over backwards to put more focus on an abusive white slaver, and a bard that, while cute was completely pointless to the story unless you play a specific origin, and even then was a red shirt to angst over.

Wyll and Karlach deserved better.

[hwathwugu]

Wyll Picture 5/5: The Blade of Avernus

[slaughter-kin]

wyll canonically has a ribbed dick and y’all aren’t eating that up? WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

[y-rhywbeth2]

Wyll is the only character I feel bad about turning down on playthroughs where I'm not doing his romance.

He makes that sad little 'oh' noise and I die inside.

And then he apologises for making you feel uncomfortable so I can feel terrible again. I can hug Astarion and Karlach, but where is my option to hug him? Unless it's been added in which case I retract my statement.

[the-weeping-dawn]

My Personal Wyll Mod List

Because he might be Larian's least favourite Origin Character, but at least someone gives him love. And this one needs sections (note: this is made by someone who only plays on PC, doesn't know if there's a console version and please remember to read descriptions and instructions.)

Cosmetics

Okay, there are a lot of options for Wyll restyling (and good ones at that!) but this is the list of mods I personally use! At it's core it changes his hair and starting equipment with add-ons for skin textures, camp oufit, Duke Ravengard...

And has compatability patches with many of the other major Wyll rework mods though Wyll's Devil form sadly seems to be a little spotty still so I'm less keen to sugest it until I try it in game again since I'm seeing some say it's back to good (Also the portrait add-on)

(Also Wyll's Devil Form could be here, I just need to confirm it being functional in patch 7 to give a larger rec. I do in spirit though)

Wyll's Bloodstone Eye

It has a few other options, but just makes the eye out of bloodstone as stated in dialouge.

THE DIALOUGE AND SCENE CHANGES TIME

I know Larian said they finally fixed the 'You got something to say' and 'Well Met' issue but I'll belive that when I'm paid to play without mods and see it myself since they've said they've fixed his greetings many times, and the 'Well Met' one as the only time it was any different.

....Changes dialouge forcing me to be harsher to him than I'd ever went to be.

He already has such a slow burn with no act 1 scene at all...Must there be a persuasion roll....

This one literally just changes a camera angle.

SOMETIMES SCENES EXIST THAT JUST END UP IN THE VOID BECAUSE OF BUGS THIS IS ONE OF THEM! Let Wyll be his fanboy self. He's so excited when he hears Jaheria even mention Minsc!

This is a whole additional scene. I think the first fanmade scene once that was possible.

[archersgaymerblog]

Regarding previous reblog, since I'm petty, here's an Excel graph of all the times origin characters are mentioned across all six post-official-release patch notes!

Tumblr has butchered the quality! But for the stats:

Karlach: 164 mentions

Gale: 146 mentions

Lae'zel: 134 mentions

Shadowheart: 126 mentions

Astarion: 117 mentions

Wyll: 82 mentions

Durge: 67 mentions

Methods were simply going to the patch pages and CTRL+F-ing characters names.

As you can see, Wyll doesn't even break 100 mentions! He's second only to Durge, who isn't even a recruitable companion in-game! Looking only at recruitable companions, Wyll is dead last!

Do with this information what you will! It just makes me upset! Ideal solution is next patch is just a dedicated Wyll Overhaul imo lol