#with a child/student relationship to anakin or padme

[daisybell-on-a-carousel]

Breeding my Anakin and Padme dragons to try and make Luke and Leia, but they gave me 3 eggs, so what should I name the mysterious 3rd child ,,,,

[ahsoka-in-a-hood]

Sometimes we get onto the idea of Obi Wan being attached(tm) to Anakin. Him just not killing Anakin is the usual suspect. There's also the way his grief held him down for ten years in the show. That was fun.

My personal pet agenda is the various conversations in tcw Obi Wan and Anakin have about the general idea of padawans who leave the order. They take on a weird tone at times. Especially that one in the deleted utapau arc. To be harsh: Obi Wan doesn't quite say it directly, but arguably conveys the vibe that leaving the Order would be wrong and disappointing.

Which is not good, in my opinion!

I don't think this (which you can take as an interpretation, it's been a while since I've actually watched the scenes now) is some sort of deliberate manipulation on his part. I suspect that he's fallen into a common pitfall of parents and teachers: wanting too much for your child or student to succeed. This is what makes attachment(tm) a culprit. He made a promise to Qui Gon. He made a commitment to Anakin. He took a risk by insisting on his training. And on top of all that, he really likes having Anakin around. It's easy to think that he just wanted what was best for him. What a happy coincidence that what's best for Anakin has also become necessary to his own sense of self and what makes him happy. Right?

(I really did find the vibe of their tcw conversations about these things off)

But that's just the cartoon. In the movie- Well, in the movie, he mostly just makes a comment about Anakin's crush (which was just a crush at the time) and later is aware he's two-timing him with Padme (sorry, couldn't resist), but just sort of decides to not talk about it with him because everyone is happier that way. We know he made an important promise, and we know he was happiest with Anakin by his side.

So not so much. But it meshes well enough, for him to have avoided the idea of having to let Anakin go, for him to not take the path he was training him for.

One last thing: this is barely relevant. I mean it's an interesting character detail, for sure. It's a layer to their relationship that's fun to think about. But it's unnecessary, in a way. For one thing, Anakin did want to be a jedi- he wanted more, and he was conflicted about things, but Obi Wan maybe being a little bit clingy about this one thing wasn't the reason for him sticking around. He had his own reasons too. Secondly, while they might have been more honest with each other if Anakin had decided to leave the Order to be openly married and start a family… Palpatine would still exist, and would still want to take him as an apprentice. Anakin would still have issues of his own that would drive him to fall.

So this interpretation probably doesn't change the outcome. It's just for fun.

[autistic-ben-tennyson]

“Anakin Didn’t Care About The Clones”

As a way of pushing back against the idea that Anakin was the only Jedi to treat the clones well, many Jedi apologists have argued that Anakin didn’t care about the clones or that his strategies got several killed, at all. Some even act like Anakin was abusive to Rex by cherry picking certain moments such as asking Rex to keep his marriage secret, running to Padme instead of Rex or Ahsoka after the Blue Shadow Crisis or the time he and Ahsoka threw Rex off that wall on Geonosis. Do people not understand the difference between comedic slapstick and abuse?

Was Anakin’s treatment of the clones perfect? No, all Jedi-clone relationships suffered from power imbalance and the clones being unable to leave as Cut and Slick pointed out and he wasn’t the only Jedi to treat the clones as individuals. What he did as Vader when he used them to storm the temple was despicable and as a former slave, he should have advocated more for their rights. Yet Anakin, before falling, valued the clones as individuals and encouraged free thinking in his men. In legends he struck up an odd friendship with Alpha 17 and gave him his nickname as well as encouraging him to do so for the gen 2 clone commanders he was training who would become Cody, Appo, Oddball, Thire, Bly, Gree, Neyo and Bacara. As Vader, he still held a fondness for Commander Appo and was somewhat dismayed by his death.

As for canon, his friendship with Rex was one of the closest of Jedi-clone bonds. Rex trusted him with his life as he reminisces in Rebels and Anakin was willing to share his secret about his marriage with Padme. Asking your friend to keep secrets, unless actively harmful, is not abuse. Nor is asking your friend who has the equipment to do so to assist in training your student like in TOTJ. It wasn’t just Rex that he cared for though. He encouraged Dogma to take breaks and be less of a stickler as seen in the clip below which also shows him complimenting Rex’s ingenuity and working with him and Fives as a team to evacuate the battalion after being ambushed by Umbarans.

Continuing on, he showed a great degree of concern for Tup when his inhibitor chip malfunctioned and drove him insane, fighting hard to rescue him. He also was willing to help Rex rescue Echo and work with Clone Force 99. Anakin was one of the few, besides Fives, who actually looked saddened by Echo’s apparent death while everyone else was focused on the shuttle. He later jokes with Echo after rescuing him and despite their squabbles earlier, lets Wrecker have fun blowing up Admiral Trench’s ship.

While not as close as Rex, he seemed to have a genuine bond with Fives as well. Sharing the story of his heroics as a child that inspired Fives’ plan of dissent against Krell and Fives admitted that while reckless, Anakin was always leading his men in the front rather than make them do all the work. Fives was comfortable enough to make dick jokes with him as well as share the information he learned about the inhibitor chips. Anakin complimented his quick thinking and while Fives was always vocal about being seen as a person over a number, one thing they shared in common, it’s implied Anakin is the reason he’s very independent and willing to go against orders for what he sees as right. While Anakin may have gotten defensive when Fives accused Palpatine of being behind the chips, he was still horrified by his death. TCW may be an episodic show but one could interpret that Anakin’s behavior in the Clovis arc was the result of having just lost two people close to him, Fives and Ahsoka, and Padme working with someone who endangered her before had him on an edge, not wanting that to happen again.

To say Anakin didn’t care for his men based off a few cherry-picked scenes is dishonest and is argued by people who think he was just bad even before falling. Was he perfect or the only one who treated them as individuals? No but he was not just an abusive, uncaring ass. The first scene in ROTS showed him wanting to go back and help the pilot squad. He gave his men like Fives or Broadside difficult tasks not because he didn’t care but because he knew they were capable. I wonder if, from his twisted point of view, Vader saw a bit of Rex and Fives in Veers and Piett due to their efficiency and ingenuity as military officers. Vader was complicit in the enslavement of the clones during Order 66 and needed to answer for it if he lived but to say his relationships with his men prior to that were abusive when there’s no evidence of that in the movies or TCW is lying just to make him seem like an irredeemable monster.

[lieutenant-teach]

I really can’t understand Obikin and Quiobi. For me it tastes as both partially pedophilia and partially incest. Just think of it – both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon have known their padawans since kids were 9 and 12 respectively. They were parent figures, literally brought their padawans up. And then – romance? How can any adult feel romantic towards a person who they remember as a child? It’s not the same situation when people with big age difference meet as grown-ups. Also marriage between step-parents and step-children or adoptive parents and adopted children, although not blood-related, is considered incest.

Ship and let ship, I know, but in-universe these ships just don’t work at all – and there’re a lot of shippers who insist Obikin is endgame and it has always been so. Specifically thanks to Matthew Stover, the author of ROTS novelization, who inserted a lot of ‘Obikin’ moments which are often translated as a prove of in-universe romance.

And I’m not even mentioning power imbalance of ‘teacher-student’ relationship. Why can’t Quiobi and Obikin be in ‘familiar’ relationship, not romantic? After all, Anakin canonically has Padme, and Obi-Wan is shippable with lots of characters without weird pedo stink (including clones, because clones are adult men who grew up faster, not kids in adult bodies).

[tairona-is-taken]

Currently working on a multi-chapter Luke/Mara fic where the prequels gang travels forward in time and ends up in the Legends era right after Planet of Twilight, and it's made me realize that Luke's relationship arc with Callista makes so much more sense when you put it in the context of the prequels. Like, Anakin basically sold his soul to the devil and massacred children all because he thought Padme was going to die. Of course Luke, his son, would be depressed for several months after Callista leaves and would end up semi-stalking his ex across the galaxy, lol. That's pretty mild compared to child murder!

On the flip side, Anakin breaking the Jedi Code to secretly marry Padme is not anywhere near as bad as Luke pursuing a relationship with a Jedi ghost who helped one of his students kill herself and then took over said student's body. But I feel like Anakin would still hear about that and be like, #relatable.

Which is all just to say that I can't wait to get to the part of the fic where I get to parallel Luke & Anakin's apparently genetic romance insanity, lol.

[fanfictasia]

I adore your fics and have been feverishly devouring them for years, but I was catching up and was SO confused by these tags at all, but especially in a non-time travel fic (I saw it in the tags for a couple of others):

'Parental Rex CT-7567 | Rex and Anakin Skywalker Adopt Ahsoka Tano, i will make that an official tag even if i have to write a bazillion fics to do so lol'

I just...please help me out lol. Even in a time travel fic, the traveller is generally visiting the clone wars era, not prior to the clone wars. Why would two men in their early twenties adopt or need to adopt a 15-17 year old and why would she want that? (Since a lot of fics are season 3-5 and she was 15 by season three and 17 when she left the order, or even ROTS era when shes on the cusp of adulthood)

Rex doesn't have a parental relationship with Ahsoka and was the biologically the same age as Anakin on Christophsis, despite the questionable choice to visually depict 18-26 year old young men as 45+, seeing as they age at twice the rate but canonically leave Kamino physically twice the age of ten, or even younger as the war continues like we saw with Domino squad being deployed early, making some clones the equivalent of being in their late teens.

Plo Koon had a very parental relationship with Ahsoka, which is a clear contrast to her working relationship with Rex and eventual close friendship.

Sorry, I'm just so confused! In a modern universe, it would be like a high school student working at McDonald's having a father-daughter relationship with their college night manager, which would be so inappropriate 😅

Anakin is her older brother-mentor and Rex is her equal, which is made so clear in season seven and they weren't close prior to that and them being close at all seemed to be a retcon.

Is it meant to be lowkey Rexwalker shippy? Am I missing something?

This isn't meant to be rude at all, I just don't understand it, so hopefully you won't mind answering 😅

Anakin might have been very close in age to Ahsoka, but he was still her master, and that in and of itself is a very parental role. He protected/took care of her during the war and taught her everything she needed to survive, in a way that a parent would. That’s especially clear after seeing the flashbacks in the Ahsoka series. They might be too close in age to call them anything but siblings, but they’re also far more than just siblings because Anakin is still her caretaker and she’s his responsibility.

For Rex, it wasn’t really until seeing Tales of the Jedi, that made us realize how much Rex helped Anakin with training Ahsoka. Rex was like Anakin’s first friend since TPM (excluding Padme) and also based on the 7th Season, they obviously supported each other a lot in everything they did. So no, definitely no Rexwalker shipping, but a very close brotherly bond, so they both helped “raise” Ahsoka together, even if Rex is also so close in age to Ahsoka. (Technically, younger.)

I used to consider Plo as Ahsoka’s parent, but looking back, he’s really not. They might be close and he might be a mentor to her but he’s **not** a parent. If he was, he wouldn’t have just told Anakin to stop searching for her in the Padawan Lost arc, because she’s “responsible enough” to “find her way back to him”. Like come on. That’s not what you say about your child. Ever.

Anakin is the one who always worried over Ahsoka and protected her, and looked out for her. That’s why we consider him a parental figure to her. And Rex is just along for the ride.

Does that make sense? :) 

And thanks for the ask!!! :D

[yave-ren]

Tag Names/Explinations

Oh to be an aesthetic blog with an esoteric tagging system

Anything for my Sisters

The six Zuringoss Sisters, of which the main character is the oldest. This is a quote from one of my fics. These specific tags reference @/nabooro’s descriptions of The Six, figures of Naboo religion

Yavé - the missing sister | Dressig - the Jedi

Sayé - the child queen | Shiraya - the hermit

Leté - | Enshadu - the dark lady

Nesé - | King Dod Veruna - the king

Vané - | Zenda - the warrior

Edlé - | Rojile - the future

One of my Best Friends was a Jedi

Friendships between characters where at least one is a Jedi

Yavé & Jem - we don’t lie to each other

Ben & Jem

Yavé & Ben & Jem - Jedi extrodinare

Anakin & Obi-Wan -

Han & Luke - Han old buddy | yeah I knew Luke

Obi-Wan & Hondo - at least I think we were friends

Hennik & Fly

We are brave, Your Highness

Naboo Handmaidens

Amidalans

Dérunans

Jiyoonans

Cosâbans

Gyâtakans

Hodâchans

KOR-Knights of Ren

My attempt to keep them out of the main tag

Kylo Ren - Master of the Knights of Ren

Yavé Ren - love over duty

Jem Ren - My most loyal knight

Hennik Ren

Fly Ren

Jaina Ren

Jacen Ren

There’s a Girl in There

Queens of Naboo. The specific quote is in reference to Padmé, from someone trying to analyze her.

Amidala - I’m not sure I was ready

Déruna - heralded as a king before I had a birthday in double digits

Jiyoona

Cosâba

Gyâtaka

Hodâcha

The Force is Strong in My Family

Family dynamics, relationships, and parallels of Force users

Luke & Leia - somehow I’ve always known

Anakin & Luke - I am a Jedi like my father before me

Anakin & Leia - passionate. fearless. forthright.

Vader & Luke - he told me you killed him. no. I am your father.

Luke & Ben

Leia & Ben

Anakin & Ben

Vader & Kylo - i will finish what you started

Skywalkers - family at war

Jaina & Jacen -

Family

Non-Force Relationships

Padme & Luke

Padme & Leia - wise. discerning. kindhearted.

Bail & Leia

Breha & Leia

Anakin & Shmi - then we will see each other again

Han & Ben -

Pass on what you have learned

Master and Padawan. Teacher and Student.

Yoda & Dooku

Dooku & Qui-Gon - you're a much wiser man than i, Qui-gon Jinn

Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan - you've been a good apprentice obi-wan and you are a much wiser man than i am. i forsee you will become a great jedi knight

Obi-Wan & Anakin - i have taught you everything i know and you have become a far greater jedi than i could ever hope to be

Anakin & Ahsoka -

Obi-Wan & Luke - Obi-Wan has taught you well

Yoda & Luke - when I am gone the last of the Jedi you will be

Luke & Ben - the greatest teacher failure is

Luke & Rey

Sabé & Yavé - I am what I am cause you trained me

Saché & Sayé -

Old Friends Not Forgotten

Also described as "whatever the hell those two have going on"

Anakin & Obi-Wan - closer than brothers. more intimate than lovers.

Padme & Sabe - she will always pick Naboo and i will always pick her

Vader & Obi-Wan - you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.

Han & Chewbacca

Han & Lando

Obi-Wan & Maul - look at what you have become | look what i have risen above

And yet a trace of the true self exists in the false self

Characters that have two selves

Padmé Naberrie | Amidala -

Anakin Skywalker | Darth Vader - Anakin is gone. I am what remains

Obi-Wan Kenobi | Ben Kenobi

Tsabin | Sabé

Ben Solo | Kylo Ren - let the past die. kill it if you have to.

Yavé Zuringoss | Yavé Ren - my best student | my failure

Jem Kreyzle | Jem Ren

Sayé Zuringoss | Déruna

Leté Zuringoss | Jiyoona

Nesé Zuringoss | Cosâba

Vané Zuringoss | Gyâtaka

Edlé Zuringoss | Hodâcha

We are encouraged to Love

Ship tags

Anidala -

Obitine - had you said the word i would have left the order | I always loved you. I always will

Hanleia - I love you. I know.

Kyvé -

Stormpilot | Finnpoe -

Kylux -

Saché/Yané | Saché x Yané -

It’s like poetry, it rhymes

Star Wars is when Parrallels

Anidala/Kyvé - we are what they never got to be

Padmé/Yavé - I’m older now than she’ll ever be

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Anything about or relevant to a character, in addition to other tags

Ahsoka Tano -

Anakin Skywalker -

BB-8 -

BD-L0D -

Ben Solo -

Boba Fett -

C-3PO -

Cordé -

Count Dooku -

Darth Maul -

Darth Vader -

Duja -

Dormé -

Edle Zuringoss -

Eirtaé -

Ellé -

Finn - you're a good man Finn

Han Solo - never tell me the odds

Hux - I am not weak. I am patient.

Jango Fett - I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the galaxy

Jem -

Kylo Ren -

Lando Calrissian -

Leia Organa - General? To me she is royalty

Lete Zuringoss -

Luke Skywalker - I became a Legend

Nese Zuringoss -

Mace Windu -

Moteé -

Obi-Wan Kenobi -

Padmé Amidala - queen. angel. senator.

Poe Dameron -

Qui-Gon Jinn - your focus determines your reality

Sabé - the queen's shadow

Saché - the lowly page

Satine Kryze -

Saye Deruna -

Sola Naberrie -

Teckla Minnau -

R2-D2

Rabé -

Rey Nobody

Rey Skywalker

Vane Zuringoss -

Versé -

Yané -

Yavé Zuringoss - sister. jedi. disappointment.

Yoda

Miscellaneous

Anything else that comes up often

The Dragon Monologue (Vader Transformation/“This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever”), ROTS pg. 448-450 - dragon monologue my beloved

Force Ghosts - No one's ever really gone

Lightsabers - this weapon is your life

Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover - ROTS novelization my beloved

[kanansdume]

Love seeing people talk about how powerful Anakin is because like. It doesn’t even matter. Anakin fails at everything despite apparently being the most powerful force user in existence.

Is he able to become a good Jedi? No, he sucks ass at being a Jedi and kills them all, there is no argument to be made ever that Anakin was a good Jedi. Anakin himself says more than once he’s a suck-ass Jedi and while he’s an unreliable narrator at the best of times, the narrative itself supports that statement, so I’m willing to accept that one as truth.

Is he a good Sith then? Eh, I guess? He kills a lot of Jedi, that’s pretty much the defining aspect of being a good Sith, I suppose. But Palpatine never seems all that happy with him as an apprentice and he’s CERTAINLY less useful than Dooku was as an apprentice, despite Dooku’s constant attempts to overthrow Palpatine, he’s also arguably Palpatine’s most successful apprentice. And everything Anakin does to annihilate the Jedi could’ve been done by Dooku or Maul. Or no apprentice at all. Anakin comes up with no Sith-y plans of his own and apparently can’t even figure out how to open a Sith Temple to access a Sith holocron. So while he’s a PASSABLE Sith, he’s honestly not that good at being  a Sith, either, I’d argue. Not because he’s a good person, he’s just... not that smart or capable in general and that remains true as much as a Sith as it did as a Jedi.

Is he a good student? Nope, sucks ass here, continuously goes against any teaching we ever see him given by the Jedi OR his mother. And then proceeds to repeatedly try to kill his own teacher after throwing him away like chopped liver to make sure his wife lives.

Is he a good teacher? Not really, he apparently is pretty unorthodox in how he trains Ahsoka who is already apparently particularly advanced in her skills and the times we see her taught patience, her biggest vice in early Clone Wars seasons, it’s actually through OTHER MASTERS like Plo Koon and Tera Sinube and Anakin is repeatedly called out for being the reason Ahsoka struggles with this he is absolutely incapable of teaching it to her. And then he repeatedly tries to kill her after throwing her away like chopped liver to make sure his wife lives.

Is he a good husband, then? No. He repeatedly ignores Padme’s set boundaries when trying to seduce her and emotionally manipulates her into feeling sorry for him and like she’s the bad guy when she lays out the very logical reasons why they shouldn’t start a relationship and then commits genocide on her behalf and asphyxiates her while pregnant when she’s not super happy about the genocide. I’ll also bring up he was demanding of Padme and didn’t like when Padme didn’t give him attention immediately on his schedule and can and WILL manipulate her into feeling like she’s the bad guy for trying to do her job or focus on literally anything else that isn’t him and will absolutely try to kill someone who kisses Padme against her will as a punishment for PADME because she let it happen. So no, he’s the world’s worst husband and we VERY rarely see a redeeming sweet scene between him and Padme because they’re so intensely toxic for each other.

How about a good father, since he presumably turns back for Luke? No. He’s a terrible father, too. Man chops off said son’s hand to try to torture him into turning Dark so he’ll rule at Anakin’s side. And let’s not forget that trying to save Padme from childbirth had jack all to do with saving the child he thought she carried. It’s PADME who has to ask about whether the baby lives or not and his response is basically to shrug because what does that matter if PADME’S dead. And then he proceeds to asphyxiate Padme while pregnant, which will absolutely kill any child she’s pregnant with too if he succeeds and when Obi-Wan says to let her go, he just DROPS HER. Yeah, I see so much care and love for his child there. He threatens to torture Leia if Luke refuses to turn down the line, he’s very intent on torturing his kids into going dark, it’s a major goal for him. And then the one thing he wants Luke to do after he dies is to make sure Leia knows Anakin WAS a good person all along, gotta make sure the woman he tortured knows that it’s actually all good now, just forget the torture stuff, Anakin really DID have some good deep down inside, he just chose not to act on it when asked to torture her, it’s chill now though!

Pretty sure that’s it, so. Lots of raw power? Sure. Doesn’t stop him from being an absolute fuck-up at literally everything in his life, though. Just goes to show, if anyone tells you natural talent will get you farther than hard work and training and dedication, just remind them that Anakin Skywalker exists as proof positive that this isn’t true!

[weixuldo]

GUYS I HAVE SO MANY FUCKING IDEAS FOR FICS HELPPP

1. the bi!padme one (maybe a lil poly later on if i write it)-you were raised on naboo, once you reached a certain age you were chosen to become one of padme amidala’s handmaidens. over time you and the future queen became very close. in many ways. but when a charming jedi enters the picture things get…complicated. what will happen of your relationship with padme? (EDIT: Will you stay?)

2. modern au, college student reader x 30’s anakin🫠🫠 ( v self indulgent)- you’re a broke and tired college student and go out to a bar one night to blow off some steam. there you see a handsome man who looks less than pleased to be out at the bar. maybe he’s just as miserable as you? he seems to be wearing gloves and winter clothing… it’s summer. that intrigues you more, just what is he hiding? (EDIT: Enigma)

3. modern au, baby sitter reader x dilf anakin- you got a job working for a single dad, you were working part time during your last semester of college to pay off some debts and this position seemed to pay well. once you arrive for your first day you’re met with a handsome face, he seems particularly cold towards you but you take it with a grain of salt. after spending some time around him, he seems to soften towards you. not only were you taking care of his kids, you were also taking care of him. (EDIT: Unconditionally)

4. din djarin x jedi reader- ashoka trained you years ago while she ran from the empire, when you come back for an impromptu visit to your old master, she has a new task for you. accompany an aloof mandalorian and his green force sensitive child… what could go wrong.

5. obi wan x jedi master reader- you’ve been training as a jedi knight for as long as you could remember. during your pivotal years you grew close to one of your peers, obi wan kenobi. years later you struggle with your intense feelings towards him. things get interesting once he acquires a new padawan. (ani: “you really should see how my master speaks of you”)

6. vader x reader fic- following the events of rots, you were called upon to assist the newly risen sith lord. he seems to want absolutely nothing to do with you or your help. even when you tell him of his meetings he waves you off and huffs every time you speak. you knew he lost a lot and he was in constant pain, but maker, would it kill him to be a little nice? in time he begins to appreciate you in more ways than one. (obv ani couldn’t move on from padme that quick, so in this fic we’re gonna pretend they were just dating or sm… and ;i’m sorry padme) she betrays him…idk i just need him to be available in this fic lmfao)

IF ANY OF THESE SOUND INTERESTING PLS LMK!!!! also dw i’ll write these more like how i wrote never forgotten, the sith lords ingénue is more like a fun crack fic for me🫡

[kybercrystals]

genuine question (preface: i don’t ship obikin): isn’t the age dynamic between them the same as anikin and padme? i’m not saying obikin should be a thing - absolutely not! but should padme/anikin be normalized either? i know the movies made it seem okay but it’s always been weird to me bc she met him when he was a kid too

no it’s not the same. padme is, i believe, 14, when anakin is 9, obi-wan is 25.

i think there’s a very firm difference between knowing a 9 year old when you’re 25 and going on to raise that 9 year old as if they were your own child vs meeting a 9 year old once when you were 14 and then running into that boy again much later (important context is that anakin and padme have not interacted since tpm by the time of aotc. he’s just been admiring her from afar as she’s a public figure as a senator.) and then starting a relationship.

i think it’s fine when you’re both adults and starting a romantic relationship from there. more to the point, padme isn’t even interested in anakin romantically when they’re first reunited. she still has the notion that he’s that silly kid. once they’ve interacted more one on one and as two adults, she starts to view him in a different light.

age gaps are not inherently problematic, there is a lot of context that needs to be taken into account and power dynamics play an important role.

ob*kin is a student teacher relationship in which the teacher is raising that person since they were a literal child. if you can’t see what’s scummy and weird and wrong about that, please please do not interact with this blog in any capacity.

[phoenixyfriend]

I never understood the problem of aging up characters to ship.

I understand why it could be squicky.

If someone tried to show me erotic fanart of, say, aged-up Powerpuff Girls, I wouldn't be able to process it without being grossed out because I still mentally view them as kindergarten age. I don't engage with regular fandom enough for my mind to have a conceptualization of them as adults.

Meanwhile, characters from, say, Naruto? I grew up with those characters, to some extent, and their epilogue features their adult selves. My mind has no trouble conceptualizing them as adults because my mind still goes "these characters are my age" like they did when I was sixteen(?) and first getting into the series, because in Shippuden, they were, and in all the fanworks, they were. As I got older, I focused on different kinds of fanfic, and preferred college AUs over high school AUs, and my mental image of the characters shifted, so even though I'd technically been introduced to these characters as twelve-year-olds.

EDIT: this is going under a cut because it's barely coherent.

But if you try to give me smut about Lucy Pevensie or Yachiru Kusajishi or something, I'll give you a "no thank you" and back out even if they're aged up, because my mind can't process that.

Also like.

Nobody has a static sense of self. People don't stop reading Anidala fic because we happened to first meet them as a 9yo and 14yo respectively. If TCW Anakin traveled back in time and met 14yo Padme again, it would be gross for him to hit on her, and he'd recognize that, but the reverse is also true; if TCW Anakin time-jumped to, say, a point where he's the same age as Jango... it would not be gross, at least in terms of age, for them to hit on each other, even if original timeline Jango was over twice Anakin's age at Geonosis. The fact that we once knew Anakin as a child, or that he was a child when Jango was not, isn't really relevant, because they never really met and had no preexisting relationship when they had different ages. Just knowing a person used to be a child, especially when you do know them as an adult (Ahsoka is an adult in Rebels and the Mandalorian, so it's not even really aging-up at that point, just time travel), doesn't mean they're forever off-limits to the brain for shipping.

Knowing that a character exists at multiple ages, and that they change how they interact with the world and vice versa in relation to that age, is like... basic textual understanding. If you read enough college AUs, you develop a mental image of the character as a young adult, even if their canon maxes out at teenagerhood (I'm thinking Pidge from Voltron). You don't see the child version from canon in your mind, you see that future/AU version that is an adult, and pays taxes, and has student loans, and can legally order a beer.

Kanan/Hera is canon and not considered a problem even though the audience met both of them as kids in TCW, yeah? They used to be kids, and now they're not, and if we toss one of them into a time-travel fic where their contemporaries are like... Jaster Mereel and Qui-Gon Jinn or something, then it's reasonable that, should they want a new romance, they seek out someone their physical and mental age. Waiting for people their own age to be born decades down the line would be weird, and gross, because they'd be like forty or fifty years older than those individuals.

Age changes! It's not a problem to process that characters change as their age does. Characters getting thrown through time is a classic trope, and adjusting things for age isn't actually a moral dilemma.

Hell, an IRL rite of passage for a lot of married couples is when your spouse's parents show you baby pictures of said spouse. "Sorry babe, I can't fuck you anymore because your mom showed me a photo of you as a toddler, it's weird now, we need a divorce!" said presumably almost nobody ever.

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I've been thinking. Would Anakin and Padme actually be good parents?????

Like, think about this realistically.

Anakin already has a kark ton of problems. For one, he does NOT know how to love unpossessively. Two, he is already super controlling and kinda toxic(?).

If he leaves the Jedi Order to be with Padme and the twins, he would never learn the difference between attachment and love.

(And yes there is a freaking difference. Love is when you care about someone to the point where you want them to be happy, even if it's not with you. Attachment is when you 'love' someone so much that you can't stand the thought of that person being with someone else that isn't you. There is a very clear difference. Even George Lucas said it in a few interviews.)

Like, I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan tried to teach Anakin the difference, but Anakin just never understood it or didn't want to accept it. Anakin wasn't raised in the Temple. He wasn't taught Jedi beliefs and the difference between love and attachment on a daily basis by the creche masters. Instead, he had been freed from slavery, separated from his mother, Qui-Gon got killed, and he experienced a MASSIVE culture shock once he was accepted into the Temple, and he had been paired with an (although good) unwilling master AKA Obi-Wan who only accepted Anakin as his student because of Qui-Gon's final words.

Yes, I know, they do eventually develop an actual strong relationship, but the main reason Obi-Wan fought for Anakin to become his padawan in the first place was because of Qui-Gon. The only reason why Anakin was even accepted into the Order was because of Qui-Gon and later, Obi-Wan's insistence to keep his promise to Qui-Gon.

(Also? Really Qui-Gon? You had nothing to say to your Padawan who was basically your son? Even when you appeared in the Clone Wars, you hardly even cared about Obi-Wan, you just obsessing over Anakin. Like, I get that he's the 'Chosen One' or whatever, but I don't care. You don't treat your apprentice/son like that. And then you had the audacity to force a guilty and crying Obi-Wan who was holding your dying body to promise to train Anakin Skywalker, who Obi-Wan didn't even like for that matter? Like? Bish, you ungrateful nerfherder.)

As I said, Anakin doesn't understand how to love like securely and non-possessively. He was probably taught it by Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi, but that information clearly went through one ear and straight out the other.

Maybe Anakin would be a good parent for the first few years of Leia and Luke's lives, but the moment puberty hits? BAM! Helicopter parent right there!

This mainly concerns Leia because in Anakin's mind, she's a girl, she's not a trained force-sensitive, so she can't protect herself, and she's HIS daughter, she shouldn't do this or that, she can't have this or that. She can't have male friends, she can't hang out with any guys, etc. Because Anakin doesn't want Leia to not spend time with him or not be there constantly. He's controlling and he wants to control her life. Like I said, she is HIS daughter, not her own person (scroll all the way to the bottom for an explanation). He'd likely refuse to let Leia go to any parties, talk to any boys, or even have a basic social life.

Things might be a little different for Luke. Anakin might not be as controlling but will still be controlling to some degree.

Moreover, Padme would NOT reign him in or even stop him. She's already shown in AOTC and ROTS that she is perfectly willing to make excuses for any and all of Anakin's bad terrible decisions even though the evidence is right there in front of her face.

Like, she seriously tryna make me believe that killing a ton of innocent people in the Tusken village is good? Sure, maybe SOME of them might have deserved it, but all of them? No, they didn't, especially not the poor innocent kids. Like, Padme, is you good in thy head or not? You ain't see no red flags?🚩🚩🚩 anybody?

Also, in ROTS, she knows that Anakin is fully capable and willing to kill innocent people if he believes someone he loves is in danger/dead, but when Obi-Wan tells her what Anakin did in the Temple to the Younglings, she tryna act all slick like, "I don't be knowing what you talkin about", even though she clearly does. She seen Anakin confess what he did to the Tuskens and now she tryna lie? And on her death bed, she tryna convince me and Obi-Wan that Darth Vader is still good, like, did the dude NOT just strangle you and kill a bunch of innocent people?

I may be dumb, but I'm not THAT dumb, okay? I understand what murder is. Anakin just straight up shanked all of the Jedi in the Temple with the 501st.

Like, bruh, I get you smart and all, Padme, and you a senator and all, but I don't know if have any more brain cells than I do money when it comes to Anakin. And I have 0 dollars right now.

So, like, no, I don't think Padme would stop Anakin in the slightest. She'd probably make more excuses for him, like "that's how he shows his love for you" or "just get over it, Leia" or even "he's your father, let him do what he wants".

In short, the freaking helicopter parenting would continue and Luke and Leia are gonna be trapped because they ain't no trained Jedi. They can't do shit and they are still minors.

Leia/Luke might even run away from home or even Fall (*extreme case**very extreme and unlikely but still possible*) 'cause they are force-sensitive y'know.

Freaking Court might even get involved. Some lawyers might also be called up. Luke and Leia better make sure to dial the numbers of some therapists for their parents, too, and also maybe a mind healer. Neither of your parents are straight in their heads.

Anyways, none of yall gotta agree with me 'cause this is just my opinion, but at least look at it from my point of view first before you hate on me in the comments. Like, I really hope that Anakin and Padme would be good parents but I just don't see it working out (????).

I hghly recommend this fanfic for any interested reader. It explains the problems of helicopter parenting from Anakin very nicely, so please read it. Also, please read some of the comments.

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Let me share something:

"A desperate parent hovers; a good parent guides."

Every parent needs to learn to let go of their kids eventually. The kids are going to leave the nest sooner or later and the parent needs to understand this.

Maybe, during the first 15 years or so, the parent can hover, but once that kid starts wanting to be independent, you gotta start giving that kid some space.

Like a bird, they gotta spread their wings and they can't do that if they stay cooped up in the nest for the rest of their lives. No baby bird is gonna fly immediately after they gain their wings and feathers. They gotta stretch them out first, do a few practice runs, and then they'll finally know how to fly.

Same thing for your kids. If they want independence but you know that they can't handle it yet, just give it to them. They gotta learn somehow. They gotta practice. And you just gotta be there to catch them if they fall.

You can stop hovering and instead start guiding. Because your son/daughter isn't just YOUR child anymore—they're becoming their own person and you need to realize and accept that. They're becoming an adult and your equal, so you gotta stop treating them like they're just your kid. Bc they're both your kid and their own person and you gotta realize that.

You can't keep your kids in the nest forever. Sooner or later, they're gonna rebel against your hovering and they'll cut you out of their lives bc you're being a toxic influence on them and they know it. Then, despite all your desperate hovering to keep your kids safe and in the nest, YOU are going to be the reason why your kids don't want you in their lives anymore.

You just gotta let go.

Yes, you can hover like a desperate parent for the first ten and a half years of your kids' lives, but eventually you're gonna have to stop doing that. Because they aren't dumb ten year olds anymore that need your constant hovering. Now they're teens and now they're adults who are experiencing the real world.

And the only thing you can do is accept that your kid has grown up. Or they will grow up. Or they are growing up.

You just need to cross the line from hovering to guiding.

You gotta let go of the bike sometime and let your kid ride on their own without the training wheels.

You just gotta cross that line. Maybe it'll be a little hard, but when was parenting ever easy? I know that it'll hurt to have to let your kids go, but you just gotta trust them.

You have already spent the last nearly two decades loving them, caring for them, and teaching them all you know. You just have to hope that they'll keep your lessons and teachings close to their hearts and that they'll listen to the occasional advice or two.

You just gotta trust your kid and your parenting skills, and cross that line.

Your son/daughter has become their own person. And the only thing you can do is be there for them, be ready to support them, be ready to give some of your wisdom, and trust that they'll succeed.

For helicopter parents, however, they never cross that line between hovering and guiding, and I'm not sure Anakin would be able to either.

[maeve-on-mustafar]

Does anyone know of any canon or Legends material where Anakin states that he thinks of the Jedi as his family? I could have sworn I once saw a quote along these lines, but now I can't find it.

Matthew Stover's Revenge of the Sith has this exchange:

"You know how kind [Palpatine] has been to me." Anakin's voice was hushed. "You know how he's looked after me, how he's done everything he could to help me. He's like family.'''

"The Jedi are your family-"

"No." Anakin turned on his former Master. "No, the Jedi are your family. The only one you've ever known. But I'm not like you-I had a mother who loved me-"

And a wife who loves me, he thought. And soon a child who will love me, too.

"Do you remember my mother? Do you remember what happened to her-?" -because you didn't let me go to save her? he finished silently.

After that, Obi-Wan tells Padme this:

"Very well. But remember that the Jedi are his family. The Order gives his life structure. It gives him a direction. You know how . . . undisciplined he can be."

I get that Obi-Wan is trying to subtly convince Padme to end her relationship with Anakin, but it's a weird thing to tell her when Anakin just emphatically stated he didn't feel that way about the Jedi. And I don't really get the sense that any Jedi beyond Obi-Wan considered Anakin to be family, either? It's like Obi-Wan really wants to make fetch happen.

Also, this is an interesting twist on their exchange from Attack of the Clones:

ANAKIN: Don't say that, Master. You're the closest thing I have to a father.

OBI-WAN: Then why don't you listen to me?!

ANAKIN: I am trying.

So at one point Anakin did at least consider Obi-Wan to be like his family and let him know that, but Obi-Wan just turned it around and made it about Anakin's behavior as a student. And now that Obi-Wan wants Anakin to regard the Jedi as his family, it seems like he doesn't.

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Luke Skywalker (for the send a character game specifically. But also just yes.)

Oh my gosh Anon, thank you for giving me the opportunity to gush about my favorite boy Luke. I probably made this way longer than it needed to be but I can’t help it— it’s Luke.

first impression: I first watched the original Star Wars movies a long time ago and honestly don’t remember much besides my dad liking it and being kind of underwhelmed. I grew up with the prequels so I definitely connected to those more (as a little girl growing up in the early 2000s I wanted to be padme so bad). I picked it up years later when I was bored and depressed one day and I watched Empire Strikes Back I think because I couldn’t find a new hope. I just fell in love with the story and especially Luke's character- he wasn’t a perfect hero and I really liked that.

impression now: Luke Skywalker is not only my favorite character in star wars, but in all of fiction pretty much. He makes the hero’s journey but inverts the message and meaning of it. For his time he is a revolutionary character; he’s a male hero that wins the day, not through killing the bad guy and extraordinary power, but through love. His dedication to choosing compassion over violence, even to a man we had been shown was terrifying and deadly. He believes in the good of his father despite being hurt by him before, and represents how love can inspire people to be their best. He represents the power of love and family and faith over power and violence and hatred. I will never get over what Luke Skywalker means as a character to me and to cinema in general.

favorite moment: Listen, the most moving, character-defining, and iconic scene in Star Wars is in rotj when Luke sees what his anger led him to do, and throws away his weapon, and says “I am a Jedi, like my father before me.” By throwing away his weapon it shows that he won’t risk hurting others even at the risk of hurting himself- he throws away even his defense and is ready to die as a Jedi and as his father’s son. His words show who he is and who he knows his father to be- a Jedi not in the traditional sense (as his masters told him killing Vader was the only way) but as a new kind of Jedi, the kind of Jedi Anakin was. The kind of Jedi who loves, and that love being their power. With the context of the prequels it makes it even better- seeing the kind of Jedi Anakin was and the kind Luke became. I could talk about this scene forever. A close second is binary sunset.

idea for a story: Oh boy, don’t even get me started. Luke as a character has so much more we could see of him past rotj. He’s rebuilding the Jedi Order nearly single-handedly. How he deals with that overwhelming weight, how he deals with his own power and balancing the dark and light within him, how he would balance trying to honor the old Jedi Order’s teachings while also honoring his own love for his family and students are all things I love to read and write about. Even if you consider other Jedi being alive post rotj; would Ahsoka Tano’s absence from Luke’s life be seen as abandonment? His lack of connection to the Jedi of the past, thousands and thousands of years of history lost or destroyed- how would he handle it? I could read a million fics about Luke post rotj and still not be satisfied.

unpopular opinion: Some people say they could never see Luke doing what he did in TFA- abandon the galaxy and his family to just die on an unknown planet. And I agree mostly- I could see Luke becoming disillusioned with the Jedi or leaving if he blamed himself for the death of his students, child, and spouse, etc. What I disagree with was the reason for his leaving. But I don’t see Luke just waiting to die on some planet (when he literally had a map to him left behind, he must have been doing SOMETHING, rian, i will fight you). I’m not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but...here I’ll give you another one. I don’t care for Mara Jade and don’t want to see stuff with Luke and her.

favorite relationship: Luke and Leia’s relationship will never fail to make me emotional. So much was taken from them in the war: their families, their homes, their own sense of safety. But even more so, they were robbed of getting to grow up together, they were robbed of each other. Even if it was for their protection. They are as close as two people can be but still don’t know much about each other. They are strangers who are family. That divide must feel miles wide at times and then through the Force like nothing at all. Fun fact about me: play John William’s “Luke & Leia” and I WILL start crying. In terms of romantic relationships, dinluke is my favorite Luke ship. Their parallels and personalities are the perfect match for me.

favorite headcanon: Luke is very close with his students and considers them like surrogate children.. Also, he’s the most powerful Jedi there is or was. No, I will not accept criticism of this.

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Thinking about how Obi-Wan can’t sense Anakin killing the sand people, but Yoda can (or he can at least sense Anakin’s pain, if not the details). People have told me that that’s a plot hole and/or a bad narrative choice, but I think there is an interesting explanation.

You could say that Yoda is just more powerful or Obi-Wan is distracted, but I feel like those aren’t really satisfying answers. Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposed to have this powerful cosmic bond (“I sense something, a presence I’ve not felt since...”). But there is that great line from the Matrix sequels, “We can never see past the choices we don’t understand.” I think in Star Wars, your spiritual powers can transcend any physical obstacles, but are still limited by mental and social problems like biases and misunderstandings.

Before AotC, Anakin had never really made any choices.* (And really, Obi-Wan hadn’t either, since Qui-Gon’s choice to train Anakin dominated Obi-Wan’s life up until that point). But as soon as Anakin goes on his first solo mission, he starts making choices Obi-Wan wouldn’t understand -- kissing Padme, trying to rescue Shmi, murdering the sand people in revenge.

I feel like the final part of Anakin’s Padawan training is the second-most fraught time period in Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship. And the time period after he is knighted, when they become best friends, is the happiest. It goes kinda like this:

The reading’s off the chart!

So the interesting interpretation here is that Obi-Wan couldn’t even comprehend the possibility of his little boy doing, or even just feeling, something so outrageous -- but Yoda could. This might be because Yoda is wiser and more open-minded in general, or it could be specifically because Yoda’s understanding had already been challenged by his own student, Dooku, years ago when he left the Order.

*  Anakin does make a choice in TPM, to enter the podrace, which Padme doesn’t understand, but Qui-Gon and Shmi (after some hesitation) do. It is interesting to compare Anakin and Obi-Wan’s dynamic in AotC to Anakin and Qui-Gon’s dynamic in TPM. Qui-Gon’s faith in Anakin’s decision is so powerful that he believes that Anakin will win the race. They are on the same spiritual wavelength -- at least when Anakin is a desperate and obedient child.

Qui-Gon is a lot like Morpheus, putting all his faith in the Chosen One, while Obi-Wan is kind of like the Oracle, in that he wants the heroes to win but he also needs to work inside of the self-destructive system. Luke has to disobey Obi-Wan in the end, just as Neo has to disobey the Oracle. And of course Anakin turns out to be more like the parricidal Agent Smith (“You would know, Mom”).

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I'm honestly so confused by this vehement, almost violent backlash that obikin gets on the Internet. I'm an obikin shipper, and I don't like romantic fics for them when Anakin is still a padawan. But that's literally *just my preference* and how I want to read the ship - I know my boundaries in real life AND in fiction. I would certainly never harass a writer or shipper for liking that content??? Why can people not just stay in their lane? Also, Anakin is *19* in AOTC, and I assume these people don't have a problem with him marrying *Padme* at that age, even though Padme knew him when he was a child (like Obi-Wan), was in a position of authority over him (Queen/Senator), and had somewhat of an age gap (and probably a substantial experience gap) with him (his 19 to her 24). So ... there's definitely something fishy going on with obikin antis :/

Bro I am just as stumped. On one hand, I understand that obikin crosses a lot of lines. It is gay, first of all, and that consciously and subconsciously bothers many people. It has older/younger and teacher/student elements, both of which activate accusations of a (scope-creeped) definition of pedophilia—not of desiring children’s bodies but of desiring things associated with children’s lives like... learning, I guess. It doesn’t matter to an anti if a student is above the age of consent or if the character is even still a student, when all that matters is the category of person / the dynamic of power and the anti’s belief in the impossibility of moving categories or changing power dynamics.

People who like obikin enjoy the tension and relief in observing boundaries being crossed and appreciate character growth imho. Antis don’t want characters to grow or change for some reason. By implication they suggest it is a bad and shameful thing for someone who was a student and a friend to become a partner and a lover—an unbalanced power dynamic becoming balanced as they meet in the middle. The “problems” of obikin are not ignored in most stories, they are the heart of the conflict of those stories. Obi-Wan usually has incredible levels of angst, because he’s a good person who wants something he shouldn’t. That’s interesting. People who write obikin don’t do it in spite of the conflict but because of it.

Instead of seeing the problems that they have with the relationship resolved in the text of a story, antis want the stories to not exist. They have passionate enough zeal about this to harass people online. I do not understand these people and what they hope to accomplish, and I pity them for their taste in literature, if they don’t trust themselves enough to read books that have conflict in them.