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Ok, so after reading the r!Ciel mastermind theory, I was left wondering 2 things: Why does R!Ciel have an obsession with his brother? Does O!Ciel represent purity to him or something? And why did Undertaker have an obsession/bond with Vincent? Y'know, he's immortal and all that jazz, it's just "silly human drama"

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“Why does R!Ciel have an obsession with his brother? Does O!Ciel represent purity to him or something?”

I mean the twins were really close to each other as kids, and suffered through trauma together, which resulted in the brutal murder of rCiel. After he was revived and still in the process of healing, he spent years being made to watch nearly everything oCiel was up to. Of course he’d be obsessed with him. Was the best reaction for rCiel to humiliate oCiel in front of other family members, intentionally turn Lizzy against him, and attempt to throw him in jail when he came back? Probably not. But with what he went through, you can find pretty good reasoning for how he feels towards oCiel. Which, no, I don’t believe he sees oCiel as “pure” or “innocent” tbh (which I’ve seen a few others say haha). I can’t really see any reason rCiel would have done to give that impression other than talking down to and reprimanding him but I wouldn’t really count that.

And why did Undertaker have an obsession/bond with Vincent?

Personally I’m not as knowledgeable as others are when it comes to reaper/Undertaker related things. I asked @kuro-von-shitsuji (Lily) and @frederickabberline (Suit) about it and they were both a HUGE help, so thank you guys again. I’ll be directly quoting because me trying to sum it up wouldn’t be quite as good so full credit for this portion goes to them.

Lily: I’d say that we don’t exactly know what his bond is with Vincent yet but that we know he was close enough to Claudia to keep a momento of her on him at all times and that Sascha confirmed that the twins have someone supernatural in their family tree that enables him to see reapers when they’re concealing their appearance and that the two facts together has led people to conclude he’s undertakers son

Suit: I don't think necessarily they have something supernatural in their bloodline, the line was vague enough that it could mean anything might be special about the Phantomhives that makes them able to see reapers. I would however point out that while UT is functionally immortal, he is in truth just a very old (ex-) human who has experienced a lot of tragedy and seen countless numbers of deaths. He feels very strongly and gains heavy attachments, and he clings to those he's lost after they're gone. He has no choice, it's not as if he can die and go with them. So if you were filled with endless grief (I don't think reapers are capable of- HAHAH THEY CAN'T MOVE ON. BA DUM TSS), and you wanted to cling to whatever you could of someone you lost, their children and those childrens children would be prime targets for your obsessionSee his lockets, so on so forth, he loves mementosThere's also the weirdly political element to Undertaker's Phantomhive obsession, the fact that he positions himself so firmly against the queen and the hold she has on the Phantomhives. Even beyond his emotional obsession I think there's something else there that hasn't been explored yet to do with the queen vs the phantomhives, possibly specifically her vs Claudia, that's extended to the other Phantomhives.

I think it's something we can't fully predict yet, but I don't think Undertaker was... as attached to Vincent as an individual separated from the Phantomhive name as he was attached to Vincent as an aspect of the larger Phantomhive case. Obviously he cared for him, and he was very distraught that he couldn't bring Vincent back like he could rciel, but I think the Phantomhive Family Status is the key point rather than Vincent the person(edited)The Midfords don't seem to get the same attention, despite being descendants, so there must be something about the title which is very important to his thought process.

In short. He's clingy and desperate to keep mementos, he sees the Phantomhives as a group as being important to whatever his underlying grudge is, and he obviously liked Claudia a whole lot, enough to up the dial on his obsession with the family to 100 even though he doesn't seem to care about the true welfare of individuals within that family.