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Wanna Read My Crazy Ass Sansa and Dany Theory?

I could be completely wrong about this, but I think D&D are going to subvert our expectations in regards to Dany and Sansa.

They’re leaning heavily into Dany being the Mad Queen, esp by having ppl on her council be afraid of that as well. But, wasn’t the Mad King, her grandfather, driven by paranoia and blood lust?

Comparatively, Dany is driven by grief, loss, revenge, etc. she is understandably angry and everyone keeps swearing she’s going mad for being justifiably upset. Even then, despite her rightful anger, she still listens to others (even when it’s for show). She wanted to kill Jaime, Sansa said no and Jon supported her, so she didn’t kill Jaime. She wanted to replaced Tyrion as Hand with Jorah again and he said that Tyrion should be given another chance and she gave him that. Jon told her the truth about his parentage and she saved him twice during the battle, tried to have sexy times with him, and then pled for him to tell anyone else the truth (which he did anyways).

Just about every expression of anger she has can easily be explained in the series and it’s not as if it isn’t justified. Or most of it at least.

Dany’s anger makes sense, but it is constantly framed as madness.

Now, compare that with Sansa. It’s easier to justify her with having trust issues due to her abuse and torture as well as her hostility due to wanting to protect her family. (Dany actually share more things in common with Sansa pertaining this than most are willing to admit, yet this is glossed over)

But, keep in mind that, despite Sansa asking Jon to fight Ramsey to get winterfell back, she’s STILL distrustful of him and that is even AFTER the battle is won. She never stops being paranoid or distrustful about Jon even though she she feels protective of him because he’s her brother (her paranoia is very low key). Sansa was behaving in such a way that Arya was suspicious of her motives and reminded her who she was ruling in place of.

Let’s also remember that she almost let LF convince her that Arya was a threat against her, which would’ve set into motion killing Arya. Some think it was a set up between Arya and Sansa to fool LF, BUT because Bran gave her the 411, sansa realized she was being played and had LF killed instead. And some of these scenes couldn’t have been done to put in a show for LF. Sansa seriously was paranoid about Arya being a threat to her.

When Dany and Sansa first meet, who’s being hostile? Sansa. We can argue all day that Sansa doesn’t have to bow down or like Dany, but that was never Dany’s issue. Dany knew what disrespect was like when she saw it because she’s used to men disrespecting her. The same men who disrespected her, almost always tried to undermine her power.

For Sansa to be a skilled player, openly showing that she doesn’t like Dany isn’t signs of being a player. Or at least a good one. But, if she’s playing the game, her open hostility towards Dany is a sign of her madness. You never let your target know you have it out for them.

We mention how Sansa learned from the best of the best: Cersei, LF, Olenna, Margaery, etc, right? What do all of them have in common?

They smiled and played nice and didn’t show their hands until they had to.

“But, three of them died and Sansa’s still alive; she outsmarted them all.”

No. She did not.

Sansa got saved by the Hound due the battle with wild fire—he saved her on his own will. LF sent a man to pick up Sansa when Joffrey got poisoned because he knew she’d get blamed for it. In almost every situation where Sansa is saved, someone intervened and she didn’t partake in any of the planning to save her life.

But, as Cersei said, “when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.”

Think about that: there is no middle ground. Sansa could easily be the first one to lose and not die, BUT playing that game corrupts you. She learned the game by people who were willing to do anything to get what they wanted. Cersei blew up a church, Olenna poisoned a child (sure he was evil, but still), Margaery seduced and slept with a child in addition to using sex for influence (no judgement here), and LF orchestrated the entire mess that led to her coming to KL, her parents dying, two her siblings dying, etc.

Sansa isn’t playing the game for the good of the people. She’s no longer concerned about the North, but rather the crown after she hears that Jon has a legitimate claim.

Everyone who plays the game has dirty hands, which is why whenever starks go south they lose their heads: they refuse to play the game.

So, back to Dany: Sansa is being openly petulant and snippy to Dany during the council meeting. We can argue that Dany’s response is poor, but again, we see her discuss Sansa’s behavior in private. When Jorah suggests she speaks with Sansa one on one, although Dany is upset with how things ended, she is still able to be advised and (tries to) listen(s).

Sansa’s response isn’t proof of her madness, but it’s it notable in my opinion.

In 8X03, we see her criticize/insult Dany as she hides safely in the crypts (for the time being) while Dany is out on the field. Missandei is clearly sick of Sansa’s remarks, which means this isn’t the first time sansa has gotten mouthy outside of scripted scenes. Sansa is obsessed with Dany and it’s more than about the north being independent.

Think back to 8x01, Sansa comes off as jealous when she first meets Dany. Then, she goes to Jon and her retort to Jon saying Dany is different from the Mad King is to say she’s prettier. She doesn’t ask Jon why he bent the knee or try to understand his motivations—she’s made up her mind.

With this recent episode, although the north doesn’t open Dany with open arms and they’re still reluctant to trust her, they’re warming up. But, guess whose unambiguously distrustful of Dany?

Sansa.

I agree. Sansa still has reason to be reluctant about distrusting Dany, but she seems to distrust Dany even more after the battle. Dany did a smart thing about legitimizing Gendry to earn goodwill opposed to the usual accusations of how she’s all “bend the knee or die.” She thinks logically about what a Baratheon alliance means for the stormlands as well as a gesture of goodwill to the north/Westeros.

Sansa IS the paranoid one here.

Tyrion points out that the seven kingdoms have flourished when the North and crown got along. We also know that the North is largely left to their own devices because no king has ever bothered to deal with them. I can’t speak for the books, but IN THE SHOW, the North wasn’t hellbent on independence until Ned was killed. The fact that none of the starks knew how to play the game until Sansa also speaks to have disconnected they were with dealing with the crown. Sansa is hiding behind the cover of Northern independence, but it doesn’t make sense when you think about it.

If you look back to the scene where Jon is crowned KITN, who’s upset?

Sansa.

After Arya and Sansa teamed up to take down LF, they’ve supported one another. Jon is Arya’s favorite brother/sibling by far and they used to dislike Sansa together, but she defends Sansa. She tells him that she’s trying to protect their family. We see in this last episode that Arya doesn’t trust Dany and makes it clear from a northern/family perspective.

But, Arya also says that respects Dany fight during the battle and guess what happens, sansa looks at Arya in shock. Not because Arya led some charge against Dany, but rather, she viewed Arya as siding/defending Dany. Sansa doesn’t want Dany to be right about anything or for anyone to side with her.

Is that not being irrational?

Jon has sansa swear not to tell his secret, which she does so in less than an hour. And people already know that Sansa will turned key house against Dany and onto Jon’s (her) side.

But, another telling thing is Tyrion asking Sansa why is she determined to dislike Dany and how it isn’t smart to antagonize Dany. Tyrion has made a lot of mistakes, but that isn’t one of them. He also knows sansa well enough, despite her changing some, that her dislike Dany is deeper than merely protecting the north and their family.

There are more signs pointing to Sansa spiraling into madness than Dany, despite Dany being the Mad King’s daughter (granddaughter???).