#why are you all so adamant about maintaining toxic masculinity and patriarchy and actively suppressing women and queer people

[theprideful]

hi I'm an ex-christian, and I've been where you are. but sex is not a sin or else god would be condemning humans for procreation, which makes no sense at all; so given that sex isn't sinful, jesus therefore would not have sinned by engaging in sexual activity. it is an act of love, and jesus was loving and caring, especially for his disciples. furthermore, being gay is not a sin either. i don't know why so many Christians refuse to acknowledge mistranslation, but in the original text, homosexuality is not mentioned. like, at all. the verse everyone always quotes is leviticus 18:22, which has been translated to "man shall not lie with man as with a woman; it is an abomination". but the original line says "man shall not lie with child as with a woman." this is explicitly about pedophilia, which is obviously wrong for many reasons. this mistranslation was purposeful; it was to enforce gender roles and keep women submissive and subservient. men were to be sexually dominant over them. male intimacy was seen as a rejection of gender roles, and the church (particularly the male leaders) took great offense to this. so homophobia is closely related to misogyny, and both are intrinsic to the church as of the 19th century. before then, christianity was much more accepting of same-sex relations, and it was actually common practice for male preachers and pastors to openly discuss or even publish writing about same-sex desire or relationships. and this shaming people for being in same-sex relationships and condemning them to hell was and is a fear tactic meant to keep people compliant in an unjust patriarchy.

sorry to tell you, but your bigotry is unjustified, and I'd really appreciate it if the facts you were spreading were true 🙃

oh, and by the way- no one is attacking you or your religion. the only ones "twisting" your religion is other believers. this was a calm discussion about historical events that aren't or shouldn't be offensive to anyone, so if you feel attacked or like my correcting misconceptions about the bible is "tearing christianity apart," you should really consider why and how your views on christianity and homosexuality distort the lens you're looking through, and why you're so adamant about rejecting lgbtq equality and representation in religion and defending bigotry, because that's pretty ahistorical and un-Christ-like.

here is an article for more reading if any of you are interested

Hi, I saw you mention in a post that Jesus and his disciples were gay, and I was wondering if you have any evidence or things to argue with against people who believe otherwise? I have a feeling I'm going to need that sometime soon irl. I hope you have a lovely day/night!

here is a link for a preacher's account on jesus's homosexuality

as for myself, from what I gathered growing up religious and reading the bible as well as hearing theology students' findings, it can be sufficed to say that jesus was queer, whether he was bisexual or gay (or, in other interpretations, aroace). his disciples were all men, and he had deep, personal relationships with them. he would spend most of his time with them, often alone in privacy. their emotional connections crossed the platonic boundary many times, with intimate actions like "washing each other's feet," which is recognized as a metaphor for sex. it's likely he was polyamorous, but if he were in a monogamous relationship with any of them, it probably would have been John, whom he was closest with. all in all, these men were devoted to each other in body and soul, and were in a sense practically married. given the facts, this virtually debunks any semi-logical notion that Jesus was heterosexual, and rather a polyam gay man.