#which bears down extremely on archie who wants to be like him so bad but we have to wait until another adult who isn't his parents gets to

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i wonder if there is a point to be argued about riverdale's "loss of innocence" point of no return being archie's affair with miss grundy. something about archie being the ultimate symbol to n jughead of what riverdale should be; ie the perfect all american boy, pure and innocent but ultimately the willful ignorance of adults and the rot that lies just under the surface of riverdale gets to him too eventually, like it had gotten to everyone else but it's what drags all the filfth to the surface.. something about the connection between his and grundy's date at the river and the boat ride on sweetwater river

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Riverdale won't return until July, but writer Evan Kyle knows just what to tease to keep us hanging on during this cruel hiatus. During The Dipp's Riverdale Clubhouse on April 1, Kyle teased that a huge, life-changing hostage situation in the back half of Riverdale Season 5. And, um, it's pretty major to say the least.

In our exclusive chat, which also featured @nocontextrvd's Macy Jones, Kyle revealed that Veronica and Archie's budding reunion will be hit with yet another roadblock when Riverdale returns, and this one's going to be a lot more dangerous than Chad's financial blackmail. Of course, this isn't going to be the first problem the two have endured. Their entire relationship has been complicated — whether it be communication issues, Hiram issues, bear issues, Barchie issues, Hiram issues again, these two know roadblocks.

But the return of the show may bring forth the most difficult obstacle yet in their relationship. The last we saw, Veronica and Archie were going to give it another go. Veronica was getting out of her marriage with Chad and Archie was essentially running the entire town of Riverdale. They're a power couple, and no one can stand in their way. Unless you're Chad, who lied about signing the divorce papers after luring Ronnie back to New York City and admitting that he got both himself and Veronica into a very sticky investment scheme that could bring them both down if they go through with the split.

So where does that leave us? Well, Veronica is staying in New York for a "few days" to deal with this new development, as we saw in the midseason finale. But that may be the least of her worries. When asked about what fans can expect when the show returns in July, Kyle said, "There's a hostage situation that is going to affect Varchie... It's going to affect all our characters." To paraphrase Jones, we're "freaking out a little bit."

Riverdale has done hostage situations before — in the midseason finale, Betty, Alice, and the twins were held hostage in their home by Charles and Chic. But something about this tease seems different. Those hostage situations have been relatively low-stakes, with minimal ramifications on the larger storyline. But Kyle promised that this would "affect all our characters," suggesting that this will be a potentially series-altering moment.

Obviously, my first question upon hearing that there will be a hostage situation is who is the hostage taker? Given that Varchie appears to be the main target/the most affected by this event, my money's on Chad, Veronica's Wolf of Wall Street wannabe husband. Not only is he a liar who is blackmailing Veronica into staying in their marriage, he's also got some major anger issues and probably tried to kill Veronica in a murder-suicide helicopter crash. The odds of him losing it this season and doing something drastic, like holding someone hostage, are extremely high.

The other main suspect is Riverdale's forever Big Bad, Hiram Lodge. However, Kyle also promised that this hostage situation would "definitely affect Hiram's plan going forward," which is why I suspect Hiram won't be behind it. Why would the hostage situation affect his plans if he's the one planning it in the first place? And let's just say Veronica is the one held hostage, could Hiram possibly find his heart and help save his daughter?

Teasing the rest of the season, Kyle also told The Dipp's Clubhouse listeners, "Finding Jughead will not be easy," and said that Season 5 will introduce "a lot of mystery behind our own characters, not only the Lonely Highway Killer." I smell the return of TBK, and maybe even the reveal of the Bughead voicemail that's been torturing us all season long.

Umm.....it is not remotely "major", last ep had TWO/arguably 3 hostage situations and I'm not remotely sure why I'm meant to GAF if Hymen loses $$$ or Vermin is "in peril".

TBF, my guess is Hymen gives up Plaiderdale (or something) and Chaddiekins controls shit for an ep or two----or at least that's the only way it "affects everybody". And, again, ummm....holding somebody hostage to extort somebody else is very much a crime. And your fruits from such a crime would be null and void, because "coercion"---tho given Plaiderdale's "twists", Daddykins colluded with Chaddiekins, cuz he does (understandably, TBF) hate Douchie....

Speaking of, naturally VD shippers (who are Vermin fans first, supposedly) were thrilled by Barfie Evan....you know, a LIAR, who routinely teases shit that not only "doesn't happen that way", frequently doesn't, period....

Buuuutt....they're all excited cause VD 4EVAH!!! We always win!! Woo Hoo!!! They always are together!!!

Except, they aren't....he fucked her "best friend" in seekrit and she just cheated on him (which I do get her)...and, he was a complete dick just cause she has to stay there for a few more days.

Sooo....if you're a Vermin stan, why TF do you want her with that asshole? I don't even LIKE Vermin, but I think she still deserves better than that.

In fact, even with Barfies, where you ship it cause Betty is a reward for Douchie (being a jackass, apparently merits nice presents) and he's your fave, I remain, endlessly.....WHY????

Dude is a fugly asshole, endlessly fucking over everybody he sees. We're told he's amazing, but it doesn't change that he's actually a colossal dick (tho he, apparently, has a tiny one)....

So, honestly, open invitation....why do you love him?

And, while you're at it....why do you love current Betty? Cause she's a gross cuntwipe.

Oh and to the article, again....nobody GAF about the fucking VM, you twat.

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this is what riverdale is about (part 4)

part 1

part 2

part 3

i’m back, to continue from where we left off. obnoxiously, i’m going to take a minute to plug my patreon, which is primarily for my webcomic but i also do movie reviews and talk about bad books i find so if you like these posts, you’ll probably like those as well. all i ask....is one dollar a month.

anyway fuck that let’s get back into this.

images are from the riverdale wiki

SEASON ONE (PART 2):

the last picture show: immediately this show reveals that our beloved jughead has been living in a nearly abandoned drive-in that he also works at. too bad for him, because it’s closing down. hilariously, literally nobody in his circle of friends cares and call his make-shift house a crack den. owned. its revealed an anonymous buyer purchased it from the town and the mayor decided to sell it to whoever.

archie brings flowers to his teacher-girlfriend’s recital and when he and grundy (and his dad) head to pop’s for a good ol malt or whatever, betty confronts him about his relationship. betty is hurt when he says grundy believed in him when no one else did and goes home with renewed purpose: take grundy down.

veronica’s mom is caught having a heated argument with a member of the southside serpents gang next to a dumpster by cheryl who, as she delights in misery and disaster, captures it all on camera. she shows veronica, who confronts her mother who brushes her off.

betty lures grundy into a fake interview for her school paper instead of going to the police. betty seems to be determining all of this based on the fact that she didnt have any social media until a year ago, which really makes me question betty’s journalistic bonefides. its framed like this means she didn’t exist before she got a twitter or whatever. its really weird. more relevant is that the only record of a geraldine grundy.....WAS AN OLD WOMAN WHO DIED 7 YEARS AGO!!!!! she takes this information to archie as well, who doesn’t care at all. he’s way too horny to care.

betty breaks into grundy’s vw bug and finds a gun and her real i.d. with her real name. archie is still too horny to care, even though betty (again, really overstepping her journalistic bounds) says that grundy might have killed jason (BASED ON THE EXISTENCE OF A GUN BETTY!!! COME ON). archie finally asks grundy straight up what the fuck is going on and she cops to trying to escape from an abusive husband, hence the gun and fake names.

jughead finds out that archie’s dad’s construction company won the bid to destroy the drive-in. its a bad time to be jughead. he tries to ask archie’s dad not to tear down the drive-in. through this convo we learn that jughead’s dad was fired from andrews construction several years ago for theft. a scene after this reveals that veronica’s mom is facilitating the purchase of the drive-in with the mayor pn behalf of her incarcerated husband.

i’m so glad the wiki reminded me of this line, word for word: everyone (and i mean literally everyone in town) goes to the drive-in for one last hurrah, where the southside serpents are guffawing up a storm. veronica somehow silences them by saying “You know what happens to a snake when a Louboutin heel steps on it? Shut the hell up or you’ll find out.“ it sucks so bad. veronica then witnesses her mother having an encounter with the same gang member who she is revealed to be paying to drive down the value of the drive-in property so hiram lodge can buy it for cheap.

archie and grundy are caught in a passionate embrace after betty’s mom reads her diary and goes on the warpath, rightfully telling her to get the fuck out of town or she’ll reveal her to be a child molester. grundy agrees to leave and archie is heartbroken. the last show of geraldine this season is her ogling two teen boys. horrible. leave, woman.

jughead leaves his shitty home and on his way out is accosted by the same gang member who was talking to hermoine lodge and is revealed to be....JUGHEADS DAD!!!!!!!!!! whatever.

heart of darkness: the town is abuzz with jason’s upcoming funeral and the teens of riverdale are fighting over who gets to take the dead kids spot as captain of the football team in a really normal and not at all super ghoulish way. archie is working his heart out now that his favorite teacher/pedophile has fled town. he has his time wasted by a member of the pussycats, valerie, who nets him a meeting with a music songwriter who tells archie he doesn’t have time for his shit. its a weird and totally pointless scene in the long run. it doesnt matter because archie’s music thing never comes to anything. the guy tells archie later, when he returns with sheet music, that his songs suck shit and he hates his music and to get out of his office.

jason and polly’s (betty’s sister) relationship seems to be at the center of whatever happened to jason, so betty starts asking around town about her sister, by using dates as a cover to ask probing questions to members of the football team. she also tries asking her father, who explains that polly and jason had a fight, polly tried to kill herself and so was shipped off to a mental institution. learning about jason’s death fucked her up again so they shan’t be exposing her to more sordid info about the events. the only information they get is that jason was selling drugs to raise money to leave town.

betty and jughead trace this thread to find out why jason would want to leave town but veronica is already finding out firsthand after she is invited to the blossom mansion for the world’s worst sleepover before the memorial (cool timing): the blossoms are all insane. they make their money on maple syrup, using the funds to build riverdale as we know it. veronica and cheryl bond over their awful parents and versonic encourages cheryl to act out at jason’s memorial FOR SOME REASON. KNOWING FULL WELL WHO CHERYL IS.

demonstrating extremely normal judgement, betty and jughead plan to raid jason’s room during the memorial to find clues. cheryl goes full hamlet, throwing herself on the coffin and weeping during her eulogy. they use this as cover to sneak away and go commit the worst social faux-pax you truly can do. however, they are interrupted by cherly’s senile grandmother, nana rose, who mistakes her for polly and reveals polly and jason were engaged. 

betty takes this information to her father who reveals he already knows but forbid the arrangement because the blossoms and the coopers have been trying to kill each other for decades over the whole maple syrup empire thing. betty and jughead later suspect her dad broke into the sheriff's office to steal his files related to uhhh everything i guess; a hunch which turns out to be correct.

meanwhile veronica’s mom is sent a live snake by the serpent gang, calls big strong fred andrews to come save her and then asks him for a job.

faster pussycats! kill! kill!: first of all fuck, the name of this ep.

archie, for some reason because i guess he doesn’t know what embarrassment is, decides he’s going to play an original song he wrote for the school talent show. he immediately gets stage fright at the try-outs and wusses out. veronica goes behind his back to sign him up anyway. thanks, asshole!

valerie, from the last ep, quits the pussycats because josie is slightly more stressed than usual about uhhh the talent show. also because she has a crush on archie for some reason.

hermoine, while acting as fred andrews’ new secretary, realizes he’s fucking BROKE. why’d he hire her? who knows. too late now. she suggests firing some people (for example............her, maybe, fred) but fred cant bear it...and is hoping to be saved by the newest construction job he doesn’t know that hermoine is manipulating under the table. much like his son, fred is now too horny to care and they make out while veronica watches awkwardly.

the remaining pussycats try to figure out what to do about their missing member problem. josie’s mom helpfully lays out that they need a strong woman of color, but not one prettier or more talented than josie. enter...VERONICA!!! who is miffed because archie replaced her with valerie in the talent show duet. veronica is now scientifically less pretty and talented than josie by show standards, which just rules because i love thinking that there are teen power rankings in riverdale.

betty and jughead make their way to visit polly at The Sisters Of Quiet Mercy which is literally the best name for a goth cover band in the world. surprise! polly is pregnant with jason’s baby. polly reveals she and jason planned to run away together, but she was caught by her parents and sent away. she then awkwardly asks how jason is and someone has to break the news to her.

josie’s dad makes a brief appearance, which i absolutely do not remember at all. i thought he only showed up in season 3 which makes mayor mccoys character arc way more awkward. anyway, the mccoy family, the andrews and the lodges all have dinner together to discuss business and its awkward as all hell. no one at the table likes the andrews.

betty straight up asks her dad if he killed jason and her mom laughs her ass off at the idea of betty’s soft white suburban ham shank looking dad being able to kill a weed much less a human. keep that in mind.

veronica’s mom forges veronica signature on a form allowing andrews construction to move ahead with the job.

jughead and betty kiss after talking about how they arent their parents. keep that in mind. anyway, betty takes jughead to a car polly mentioned that full of EVIDENCE. they take picture of it and leave the car to go tell the sheriff because i guess suddenly no one has cellphones.  jughead and betty return with the sheriff later to find the car has been light up by an unknown person. almost immediately after, bughead tries to rescue polly at the institution only to find she’s already bailed. welp.

josie and valerie make up and all four pussycats perform. josie’s dad walks out on her performance? harsh. cool dad moves.

archie sings and the crowd loves it. who gives a shit.

a kid died, guys. come on.

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10 Forgotten TV Spinoffs That Were Actually Good | ScreenRant

There are some spin-offs that go on to be just as popular (if not more so) than their predecessors. Spin-offs like Frasier, with 37 Emmy wins and eleven seasons, proved even more popular than Cheers. Family Matters certainly became must-see TV with the hilarious Steve Erkel, even though he never featured in the series it was based off, Perfect Strangers. Then there's all the wildly acclaimed Star Trek spin-offs from the original series, each with its own niche audience.

But what about all those spin-offs that people rarely talk about, that were wildly successful at the time and actually decent? Do audiences even remember that they carried the torch for their respective franchises even after their parent shows went off the air? Without further ado, presenting the 10 forgotten spin-offs that were actually good.

10 MAUDE

Though most fans of Bea Arthur know her as the sardonic high school teacher Dorothy from The Golden Girls, serving withering asides like they're slices of cheesecake, she was the star of a spin-off that featured an even more scathing character.

Maude was a spin-off of All in the Family, and featured Edith Bunker's liberal minded Maude (Bea Arthur) confront all sorts of timely issues, from race politics to civil rights and labor disputes. Maude lived with her fourth husband and adult children in the suburbs of Tuckahoe, NY, and had a sassy comment for everything.

9 MORK AND MINDY

In the fifth season of the popular series Happy Days, Richie Cunningham sees a UFO, and then later the extra-terrestrial inside it, Mork (Robin Williams). While it may have made for a strange episode, audiences liked the character of Mork enough to be curious about his origins.

Fantasy as a genre was popular to mashup with the torpor of everyday domestic sit-coms, such as Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie. Adding a science fiction element proved a new twist, and it became one of Robin Williams' most beloved characters.

RELATED: I Dream Of Jeannie: 10 Hidden Details Everyone Completely Missed

8 TORCHWOOD

While Torchwood may very well be in the minds and hearts of Doctor Who fans, many viewers may not realize its origins. It began in the mid '00s after the Doctor Who reboot saw great interest, and followed a secret agency called the Torchwood Institute.

Led by their leader Captain Jack Harkness (who guest starred on Doctor Who), the Torchwood team investigated strange extra-terrestrial events all over England (and occasionally further). It combined the whimsical fun of Doctor Who with its own brand of adventure and excitement.

7 THE GOLDEN PALACE

After the huge success of The Golden Girls, and Dorothy was married and left the series, the rest of the girls weren't finished sharing their misadventures on television. In 1992 The Golden Palace premiered, and featured Blanche, Rose, and Sophia purchasing a Miami hotel recently lacking in luster.

The series didn't have the same tone of four ladies gathered around a coffee table eating cheesecake and talking about their sex lives, but the additional cast members added a different comedic charm. Don Cheadle as the concierge and Cheech Marin as the chef were particularly amusing.

6 THE CLEVELAND SHOW

After the extreme success of Family Guy, Seth McFarlane tried to capture lightning in a bottle twice with The Cleveland Show. Initially, it relied heavily on Family Guy style humor, until it settled into its own rhythm and decided to embrace its differences.

The Cleveland show wasn't for everyone. It wasn't the animated version of Family Matters. It was gloriously odd, having more in common with American Dad than its predecessor. Cleveland Brown and his family interacted with a family of talking bears, a British family stuck in the 19th century, and tried not to kill each other. Once you embrace its eccentricities, it grows on you.

5 STAR TREK: THE ANIMATED SERIES

When news spread that Gene Roddenberry's science fiction series Star Trek was being taken off the air in 1970, he tried to think of ways to have it live on. He ultimately decided that the crew of the USS Enterprise would have their adventures chronicled in animated form.

Star Trek: The Animated Series has been called both a spin-off and a sequel - it involves many, but not all of the characters from the original series, and is often regarded as a continuation of its storyline. The animated format allowed for the creative team to do a lot more without the budget constraints of the live show.

RELATED: 10 Star Trek Spin-Off Series That CBS Should Make

4 KENAN AND KEL

All That, the immensely popular sketch and variety series on Nickelodeon, produced several spin-offs, including The Amanda Show and Kenan and Kel. These days, you can watch Kenan Thompson on Saturday Night Live, but back in the '90s, him and Kel got up to all sorts of shenanigans on their own showh.

The show was set in Chicago, and followed Kenan the humble grocery clerk and Kel, his orange-soda-addicted buddy from high school as they tried to come up with a variety of schemes and dreams to get them rich and popular. It features some truly side-splitting skits from the dynamic duo, especially for such a kid-friendly comedy.

3 SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH

Though Sabrina the Teenage Witch is getting some newfound love thanks to the dark and spooky reboot of the series on Netflix, the original series starred teen star Melissa Joan Hart as Sabrina, a teenage girl that had to balance learning how to be a witch with learning how to have a normal life.

What some viewers may not have realized, is that the series was actually spin-off from the Archie Animated Series, which features a Sabrina that actually looks a lot more like the one featured on Netflix currently. She also received her own comic, but the '90s series followed a very different path loosely based on her appearance in Riverdale.

2 DARIA

Though there have been talks of a Daria reboot almost ever since the incredibly nihilistic animated series went off the air, it seems that it's endured long enough on streaming platforms to feel fresh in the mind of a whole new cynical generation.

What new viewers may not realize is that it was actually a spin-off from another animated series, Beevis and Butthead. Daria, the jaded high school student who just wanted to survive small town American high school, was the pairs' neighbor, and her lack of personality ended up ironically enthralling to Gen Xers steeped in peak irony.

1 SAVED BY THE BELL

Saved by the Bell may get a bad rep for taking a squeaky clean approach to the rigors of high school, but no one can deny that as far as programming went for teens of the '90s, it set the trends and knocked them down with its ridiculously good looking cast of youngsters.

What viewers of today may not realize, is that it was actually a spin-off of Good Morning, Miss Bliss, a series about a school teacher (Hayley Mills) that only lasted for one season in 1988 but featured all of the same cast (including Mr. Belding).

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