#when vash says this is where the true battle is like get him girl this IS the true battle
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collieii · 1 year ago
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i really like how trimax constantly emphasizes that vash's kindness is a choice, a deliberate and powerful one. it contrasts him so well to knives, who's so disdainful towards humanity as a whole. but vash actually interacts with people and is involved in society. and, by extension, he's been hurt by it so many times. but despite this he chooses love everytime and defends humanity.
meanwhile, knives has never participated, always seems to watch people from a distance. still, he makes claims about the cruelty of humanity, and he uses the idea of human cruelty to justify his actions, despite the fact that he's likely never directly been victim to it the same way vash and the other plants have. not to understate the whole tesla situation, but he assumes that he has the authority to decide the fate of humanity, even though out of every plant he's probably not the one who's in the position to make that sort of decision. (and frankly, it's not a decision any single individual should be making)
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so this moment is so poignant, though vash might not be directly talking about himself we know it applies to him, we know how much violence he's suffered. it's written on his skin (his shirtlessness in that scene is very pointed). and we know that knives hasn't really experienced that. and knives is ultimately very self absorbed, he assumes he knows what's best for the plants and what they want, so he uses them to achieve his goals without consulting them. unlike vash, who as we see in the finale, has made efforts to communicate with the plants (communication and connection is such a big thing with vash!) he's familiar with them, and they him, and that's one of the reasons they seem more willing to follow vash's path than knives.
the difference between vash and knives is that vash sees everyone as an individual with inherent value. knives is unwilling to do this and he turns groups into monoliths, refuses to see individuals or nuance.
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one of the big ideas of trigun is that conflict occurs because people don't see those around them as individuals. so what really saves the day isn't guns or firepower, but understanding between people. vash helps facilitate this understanding between humans and plants because they're all familiar with him, he's put a lot of effort into getting to know everyone! and with everyone he meets he embodies the idea of love and peace, helps them believe that cooperation is possible.
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takeshitakyuuto · 1 year ago
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Trigun Book Club update volume 2/3/who knows
One more week until Trigun Maximum! Then my volume numbers won’t be off :’)
I feel like every time I sat down to read this time around, I got interrupted. Anyways, this is a long one, so buckle up
Ch 13. get his ass cobbler-san
Yaaaaaay ice cream on Vash! Me too me too!
Quite the introduction for Mr. Collarbones
I’m sorry that it’s just kinda funny to me whenever characters call Vash by his full name. That’s Mr. ヴァッシュ・ザ・スタンピード to you
Knives! Your reputation precedes you
I love when Vash puts on his shooting glasses and immediately my spotify switches to FFXIV battle music
Okay so maybe I kinda spoiled myself probably not really, since the beginning I’ve had the question (that the reader is obviously supposed to have) of why does Vash have such a big bounty on his head, but I saw someone say that he’s the Jesus character of Trigun and like. okay question answered I know enough about Christianity to fill in the blanks here, anyways with that it mind it’s really interesting to see how Vash mentions that his goal is to send Knives to hell
This guy kinda reminds me of that guy from Yu Gi Oh. Kaiba? Yeah Kaiba
12 pieces of coin, twelve assassins, twelve disciples. im making big brain connections here (joking)
There’s a ...head in that bag? [insert “so no head” gif]
Ch 13.5 [I think this is an extra chapter] i like the little background we’re getting on Vash and the visuals with him standing over the mass amounts of crosses like a graveyard is really cool
Alright cut it out Nightow we don’t need to get weird here
Even though I rarely read manga digitally anymore, I feel so spoiled with how much manga is published online nowadays. These very obvious scans of paper volumes is so much harder to read, I’m sounding out like half the words I read
You know that chapter of Kino’s Journey (okay I know you don’t bear with me here) where Kino goes to that country where everyone is obsessed with this one guy’s painting of tanks and they’re all like “it says so much about war and society” and then Kino meets the painter and he’s all like “nah I just think tanks are really cool”. Yeah that painter is Nightow
Which is more elegant, this girl’s dress of Vash’s coat tails?
Has Vash always worn an earring? Have I just never noticed? I see but don’t look? How coquette
The interspersed English that Nightow uses always adds a bit of humor. I’m not even a translator but sometimes I think about what I would do with those bits. Would I keep it to make extra work? Would I translate it into a different language that’s more commonly understood than Japanese but not English (such as Spanish)? Translations are weird man....
Vash has the best pouting face of all time
Okay sorry I said a lot in that chapter but I don’t think any of it was serious. Not that that was a very important chapter anyways, other than the bits of world building we got at the very beginning
Volume three! Ch 14. Omg I see that big cross in the cover. Do we get to meet Nicholas Wolfwood himself? God I hope I’m right and he’s the one with the cross because I’m blasting this post for the Trigun Scholars to see. Blease be kind I know so little
Seems like this volume or at least this chapter is going to be a lot of Vash vs Kaiba
So we’re seeing Rem’s death scene and how it displays her love for humanity, sacrificing herself to save some, even if she can’t save everyone. And seeing that Knives has been a bit fucked from the beginning huh. And why Vash hates him so much (cue Losing My Religion by REM playing in the back)
Vash is typically painted as an angelic type of character (thinking back to chapter nine[?] with the angel/plant they met on the sand steam) so having him depicted more as a devil character is really interesting. They even called this his true nature, although that could just be this villain character giving him shit. I’m excited to see how Vash’s character is fleshed out in future volumes and how these seemingly two sides of him create a whole
Ch 15. I don’t know (yet?) if Knives’ plan was to kill Rem along with a bunch of humans but damn. backfiredddd
So this spirit/angel urging Vash not to kill must be Rem right? Since he said that if he kills here, she’ll be gone for real? I’m taking this to be more of Vash’s memory of her and not a literal angel or spirit
Ch 16. I was totally about to rag on them for having all this insane technology and Meryl still having to use a typewriter but then I remembered that this series is from what. the 80s? Earlier? Honestly who could’ve imagined the technology we’d have in just twenty years from then, it’s insane.
Oh that’s cool! Vash is called “Humanoid Typhoon” right? It’s usually written as 「人間台風」which literally translates to human typhoon but at the beginning of this chapter, Meryl calls him 「人間災害」with furigana instructing the reader to read it as “humanoid typhoon” (same as with the other times), however this translates to “human disaster” rather than typhoon
One coin part down, eleven to go...
We’ve finally officially established that Vash has a prosthetic arm, I was wondering when that was gonna happen
First of all what is Vash carrying with him second of all holy shit that panel of the person(?) nailed on the cross
That thing was set up specifically for him? Is this another one of the twelve assassins? I feel like I’m gonna get bored of this set up real quick if it continues on like this
oh man I’m struggling with the blurriness of this volume, I keep messing up さ and き in the furigana and if anything’s got a dakuten I’m a gonner
Ch 17. I bet these poor citizens see someone in an over the top ridiculous outfit and just think to themselves, aw man this bitch is about to blow up the city again. Good thing I renewed my insurance last month
Yaoi proportions are back!
Having the guy who’s pissing you off rip out his own still-beating heart with his own bare hands is pretty badass ngl
Is Kaiba (okay I know his name is Legato but this is funnier) trying to bring about the apocalypse or something? Or rather eradicate enough humans to be able to live peacefully, whether that means all humans or just the ones he considers “evil”? Right now he’s giving me a lot of Light Yagami vibes
Ch 18. Cross guyyyyyy hell yeah. You know, maybe you wouldn’t collapse in the street if you didn’t carry a big ass cross with you everywhere. Just food for thought
Wolfwood speaks in Kansaiben???? Help I’m falling in love it’s my one weakness in this world
I’ve decided that I never want to see Wolfwood written in katakana ever again.
Wolfwood just needs to say あかん and ホンマ and I’m already head over heels
I really like Wolfwood and I promise it’s more than just the Kansaiben! I love how nice he is and he seems to be able to read people pretty well and also he’s kind of a dork. But the Kansaiben helps too
Ch 19. Omg the one guy who I was immediately like 🫵 yaoi proportions ended up being Hornfreak. Yep that’s just how it is
Isn’t it so fun when words you learned from anime pop up elsewhere? There’s “human trafficking,” which I learned from Yona of the Dawn
Oh? It’s Dominique not Dominic? That explains the かしら. Honestly I do like Nightow’s style of “I can’t tell what gender this person is”
Nightow also really likes drawing Vash ass up this is not the time for a dirty joke
Oh my god hes going super sayan also oh my god im so stupid i just closed out of my trigun tab trying to switch jfc
Ch 20. The cat stepped on my laptop and flipped all the images omfg I am having such a time trying to read today oh my god I can’t get it back I guess I’ll just restart my laptop for now? holy shit
Yeah okay closing out of the site didn’t help, restarting my laptop didn’t help, all files were flipped, but luckily someone suggested clearing the cookies for that site and it actually worked. I am so bad with technology. What a ridiculous day.
I’m gonna be honest I don’t know how you all can read this in English, I could only figure out who was speaking based on the fact that Legato used だ where Wolfwood would’ve used や
Lol jump for your coin bitch (Vash I love you but it’s funny I’m sorry)
Wolfwood’s 「ちう」is causing me so much stress. What the hell does that mean, boy. Luckily I have friends in high places (Japan)
I’m so obsessed with the fucked up angel imagery here in Knives’ rebirth
Please no romance between Meryl and Vash please no romance between Meryl and Vash please no r
Guy who only reads shoujo manga: I’m getting a lot of shoujo manga vibes from this (no but really, there’s a bunch of artistic choices in Trigun that I mostly associate with shoujo manga, but I think it has more to do with the age of the manga. Probably Ikeda Riyoko’s influence)
Knives is such an overdramatic bitch, I love that
Angel Vash! The inherent danger of the divine! Although a god can be kind it can also be cruel! Power can be used in many ways and thus is its danger!
We’ve finally established that Vash and this power that Knives brings out of him is the reason why July Town was destroyed. This is probably also the reason why he’s got such a high price on his head
Also really enjoying the implications that these human forms aren’t Vash’s and Knives’ “true” bodies
Extra chapter. Thank god he didn’t shoot the egg oh my god. The irony of consistently taking the lord’s name in vain so much here (term used ironically but also because what else can I say) while reading Nightow’s bible fanfiction just now hit me
I admit it, I totally skimmed that. In my defense, it’s past midnight.
Final thoughts: Having officially finished up the original trilogy, that was pretty damn good! The ending was great (yes, I know there’s much more to go) and quite bittersweet. The pace really picked up for me in this last volume. My only main issue was just friction between me and the genre, which is no one’s fault but my own. I could definitely do for less action scenes, but again, my favorite genre is the “nothing happens” genre. I’m really excited to see where Trigun Maximum takes the series, especially in the ways that these angels/plants are developed. I’m also excited to see more of Knives and Wolfwood and especially how they both interact with Vash, since they obviously have extremely different perceptions of him. I’m not quite sure where the plot is going to go from here, since it seems like Vash took Knives along with him in his disappearance, but I’ll follow Nightow wherever he leads us in this series. What I’m not looking forward to is having to read more of Nightow’s handwriting. God. Even so, somehow it’s still not the worst I’ve seen from mangaka. Oh, also, there was significantly less of that black cat than I expected. I’ll just assume it comes back in Maximum. And (sorry these thoughts are so unordered) wow the art was so stunning, especially there at the end, that I definitely have half a mind to pick up the physicals for my personal collection. Especially with a fanbase revival due to Trigun Stampede, I’d be more shocked if it’s out of print than if it isn’t. Oh and one more thing, we went through three of the twelve coin assassins. Does that mean that we’re going to go through the other nine in Maximum? Also, I’m not quite clear on why Vash has to collect the coin fragments like this is Dragon Ball (disclaimer: never seen or read any of the dragon ball franchise). Was mystical object collection just a trend back then? What’s going to happen, or supposed to, when Vash gets them all? Hopefully this will become clear as the series continues.
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theprocrastinatingalien · 7 years ago
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Battle of Star Trek - Batch#4 Heats (featuring Riker, Ro, Martok & Lorca)
The Battle of Star Trek continues... 128 characters gradually being whittled down to one champion.  Three batches down, we now find ourselves in the fourth batch, with 16 new characters displayed for your voting pleasure.
So, who we got?
RO LAREN
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I'm going to state here and now that Michelle Forbes is one of my favourite actresses, appearing in almost all my favourite TV shows.  In STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, she appeared as the Bajoran with a chip on her shoulder - Ro Laren.  The producers asked Forbes to take Ro over to DS9, but sadly she declined - as that's how Kira Nerys was created.
WILLIAM T RIKER
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Jonathan Frakes played two sorts of Riker.  Clean shaven, and bearded.  Both were awesome.   Riker remained as Picard's first officer for seven seasons and four movies - eventually agreeing to take captaincy of the USS Titan.
GUINAN
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Whoopi Goldberg was a massive Trekkie, and asked her mate LeVar Burton for a way in on the action.  She ended up playing the El Aurien Guinan, the bartender in Ten Forward on the USS Enterprise D.  She even played a significant part in STAR TREK: GENERATIONS.
AMBASSADOR SOVAL
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At the beginning there was a strained relationship between Humans and Vulcans.  Soval, played by Gary Graham, was one of those Vulcans that didn't really help the matter - feeling that Human's shouldn't have free exploration of space.   We warmed to him a bit though.  Right?  We did, right?
ROM
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Quark's put-upon brother.  A Ferengi with a good heart... is it any wonder Dabo girl Leeta fell for him?  Eventually Rom, played by Max Grodenchik, was made the Grand Nagus of all the Ferengi - much to his brother's shock and horror.
SESKA
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So, when we first met Seska she was a Bajoran Maquis terrorist type... forced with work with Starfleet when they got lost along with Voyager.  It turned out that she wasn't even a Bajoran - she was a Cardassian!  Chakotay sure felt silly!.  Martha Hackett played the role - whatever race she was.
SHINZON
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Movie star Tom Hardy was in a Star Trek film!  True story!   He played a clone of Picard, created by the Remans (who are some weird cousin of the Romulans).  He wasn't a happy chappy.   He had issues.
MOLLY O'BRIEN
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Molly was the cute little daughter of Miles and Keiko O'Brien, delivered by Worf.  Molly was played by Hana Hatae... except in that episode where she was stranded on a planet. Then she was played by Michelle Krusiec.
GENERAL MARTOK
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Martok, played by JG Hertzler, played quite a significant role on DEEP SPACE NINE, during the Dominion War.  He also kind of adopted Worf.  Which was nice.
VASH
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Vash was a love interest for Picard, but ended up running away to see the galaxy with Q.  Jennifer Hetrick played the role on both TNG and DS9.
SAMANTHA WILDMAN
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In most Trek series, the science officer gets a lot of screentime.  Spock, Data, Dax, T'Pol, Burnham... but not on VOYAGER.  Sucks to be Sam.  Best know for being the mother of Naomi.   I always wanted them to give actress Nancy Hower more lines.
CHRISTOPHER PIKE
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Before Kirk took command of the Enterprise, Christopher Pike was the commanding officer.  Jeffrey Hunter played the role for the pilot 'The Cage', but never returned for the main series.  In recent years, Bruce Greenwood played the role in JJ Abrams movies.  A quite exciting turn of events - we're likely to meet a new actor playing the role in season two of DISCOVERY.  Who will it be?  We'll find out soon I hope.
ICHEB
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STAR TREK: VOYAGER went all in with the Borg storylines. Not content with humanising Seven of Nine, they then brought a load of Borg kids on board, the eldest being Icheb, played by Manu Intiraymi.
GABRIEL LORCA
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I'm going to say it... Jason Isaacs was one of the best things about the first season of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY. As it stands, Lorca was a Mirror Universe counterpart, and now dead.  Fingers crossed for Prime Universe Lorca, and possibly a resurrected Mirror Lorca.
ADMIRAL ROSS
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During the Dominion War, Sisko's immediate superior was Admiral Ross, played by Barry Jenner.   He was one of the few admirals you never felt was actually a bad guy. (Admiral always end up being villains, right?)
FEMALE CHANGELING
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When Odo rediscovered his shapeshifting people, the Female Changeling (played by Salome Jens) was immediately the spokesperson for their people.  Sadly she was a bit on the villainous side, and lead the Dominion into war against is.  Kinda put Odo in a tricky position really.
So there you, those are the options, so it's time you get voting!  Head over to twitter, add procrastinalien, and vote for your faves - you have just 33 hours!
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