#whatever this can be abt byler too. but the lesbians. are lesbianing.

[etchedstars]

once again thinking about the inherent homoeroticism of shared eye contact

[hey-yuiyu]

Not really answering the question but i wanted to.. yk, just rant a bit abt byler doubt :,,)

I think I personally have some byler doubt, BUT! It's... not exactly bcs of the show itself. The thing abt byler doubt is that i don't think we doubt the characters' actions and their love for each other. I think we doubt the society in which the show is being created, we are skeptical of our own society, and i think that's mostly bcs... yk, the vast majority of queer people, if not ALL of us, are still used to not expect happiness for a queer storyline. That's historical, and i really want to make a study on this.

I specifically remember a classmate from college who was studying yuri mangas and shoujo mangaz for her dissertation and she said the mOST USED TROPE for the lesbian storylines was the sad ending.

So i believe the byler doubt is not from a distrust in the love byler have for each other... my personal byler doubt lies on the fact that this kill-your-gays trope is already so engraved in our society

By media, by heteronormative discourse and we need to realize how this discourse affects us today and has been affecting us for SO LONG already.

And i think when we have byler doubt is just a shield we all hold up, because "what if i'm WRONG about this?"

Then the hardcore milevns and homophobez will say "i fucking told you so"

And what's the subtext to that? You cannot win, you're delusional. And it would hurt too much to have held out hope for a happy ending. And for me, it's a feeling a hetero couple could NEVER describe.

Let's suppose will was a girl. Shipp wars and all that, but would current byler shippers be willing to RIOT and feel DEVASTATED and CRY if mike ended up with el? (in my case at least akjdd)

No, i don't think so. We'd be disappointed on bad writing, sure. Maybe make a couple posts complaining. But i think we'd accept it eventually and just go, "oh, ok :(". I really don't think i'd feel the same way abt byler if it was a hetero couple, with the same buidup, with the same scenes and context. Why? Because the these mf represent hope for us queers, hope for our happy ending and there's NOTHING like the heartbreak of hearing and internalizing that "you can't be happy in this love." It's a type of broken hope that i don't believe a cis-heterosexual couple can express.

But most casual audience would be so much sure of byler if it was a hetero couple. Bcs we're not too used to see happy ending for gay couples in mainstream media. There's a reason i saw SO MANY people say heartstopper was UNREALISTIC. It's really not, it's cheesy and happy (at least for S1..), and that's what bothers people.

So notice i didn't even touch on the fact that they're clearly in love in the show. The duffer brothers havimg done that on purpose oR NOT. whatever. Byler doubt for me is not abt doubting mike and will. It's about being terrified of seeing once again, and time and time again, that we can't be happy.

That's personally what i tell myself whenever i feel byler doubt. Idek, i feel like byler doubt has deep roots that go way beyond the show.

That all being said, byler endgame. I'm not accepting anything less than a loving kiss and happy, confused, and lovey-dovey giggles from them bcs "finally, i love you so, so much."

BYLERS...important!!!!

what is the piece of evidence, etc that you use for yourself that gets rid of your byler doubt, or that you may use for others to help them get rid of their byler doubt. reply!! how do you get over ur byler doubt, or how do you not have any byler doubt share your ways!! helping my friend who is a byler out she's having some byler doubt