#we're on almost 57k

[nettlestingsoup]

am i likely to meet my target of completing the red thread au by the end of march? no. is it still remarkably close to being finished given the state it was in in december? yes.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

I'm sorry, but could you break down the maths of cons for me?

I did a rough count of seat numbers and came up with 700.

I read elsewhere that J2 got the same for a convention as their salary, which was rumoured to be 175k.

I also read that actors kept the autograph and photo money.

There are a fair few actors at a convention, who need to be paid and have their travel.

There doesn't seem to be enough money in it.

Would you mind breaking down the revenue streams and who gets what?

also, is it me or are the venues getting smaller. I only see these on YouTube and the older stages seem much bigger.

Thank you....and merry Christmas.

J2 have a base fee of 300k each, which means they don't show up unless guaranteed that amount by the con organizers.

They get that money through a percentage of ticket sales, photo ops, autos, and m&gs.

The number of tickets sold depends on the con. Some sell a lot more than others. I don't know the percentages they get, but I know it's more for ops/autos/m&gs than tickets.

When guestimating their photo fees, let's say it's 50% (it's way higher) at almost $200 a pop for their solos and selling 300, that's at least $100x300=30k just for their solos. They used to sell out every con. Now that they are appearing on both Saturday and Sunday, CE will sell more photo ops if they have the time to fit it into the schedule. So not selling out at recent cons doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't selling 300. It could mean that they are selling 300, but there's an extra 50 available because J2 have the time to do it now.

I don't know the current numbers for the various ops, although I am very curious. If you go to the op table to buy more ops, you can peep the current number of tickets sold, but only if ops are still available to be sold. You can also sit in the theater and see how many numbers are called for each group. I know that J2 is the biggest money maker and usually goes over 300 sold if they have the time in the schedule.

If they sell 20 m&g seats at $500 each, that's 10k. I dunno the percentage they keep, but probably over 50% and they split the J2.

The autos are usually rolled into gold. I have no idea how many of those sell when sold individually.

In addition to the assigned seats with numbers, there are also GA seats. These seats are not assigned and there's no way to know online how many are sold unless you have access to Creation's data. If you go there in person, you can count them.

If I recall correctly (I haven't been to a con in months, and I wasn't counting the seats when I was there), the GA setup was equivalent to or greater than the other sections combined. Now, this doesn't mean that every seat was filled, but based on the cons that I've attended, I estimate that they sell at least half GA for every assigned seat. It also varied from con to con, with some cons having more GA sections.

For NJ con, there's over $325k in gold, $57k in silver, $47k for copper and $35k for preferred single day sold so far. That's $464k not including GA. GA weekend is $249. Fri is $70, Sat $80, and Sunday $100. There's a lot more people on Sundays and I don't know what percentage of people in the theater on Sunday only bought tickets for that day.

If your estimate of 700 seats is correct and we say GA was half that and everyone in GA bought Sunday only tickets, we're looking at 35k for GA, but that's a huge underestimate.

There's also the auction for VIP and the cast gets a cut of that.

I know they were concerned about Burbank and worried that they would lose money on it. It's interesting that they dropped the gold so much for SFcon.

300k/con is a really high price and the reason that you typically don't see both Js at conventions outside the US.