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A List of Big Misconceptions about D&D Alignment that I See All the Time and Now I’m Salty Enough to Rant About All of Them

So! Aligmments! They sure are a tricky subject, aren’t they? Source of many discussions and flame wars and nitpicks, made all the worse by it’s flaws and it’s bumpy start (this post is a good read about it and there are plenty of other posts complaining and discussing what’s wrong with it), but I’m not here spesifically to take the nine-point system to task, but more to point out stuff about it that people CONSTANTLY GET WRONG. Because I’m salty and petty and I like wasting my time

1.  First things first, what ARE aligmments? the Alignment System, as it exists in the game, seems for me to have a very specific role - it’s an extreme simplication of a character’s moral code for the sake of gameplay mechanics (as in “This spell will only let those with a good heart enter the sanctum” “Well, can my character come in?” “Check your aligmment”), if a DM wants to throw away “Detect Evil” spells and other stuff that implies objective good and evil in their game - I’d say it’s perfectly justified to throw away the Aligmment System as a whole as well, since it will serve very little purpose in their game. Many of the criticisms of the Aligmment system AND the annoying misconceptions about it comes from thinking it should do stuff other then quickly telll you how badly the Sword of Ultimate Evil injured your half-elf mage by quickly glancing at your character sheet.

2. Aligmments are not the end-all-by-all of philosophical and moral disagreement: There’s this idea that if two people have the same sort of  Alignment that they must be agreeing on everything and are basically the same (more on THAT later), because, well, they are on the same side on the scales of good versus evil and chaos versus law, right? Well, no! Because like I said, Alignmment are a simplication - under the banner of “Lawful Good” there could be a THOUSAND disagreements and different ways to “perform” the alignmment. You can have a whole adventuring party of LG people who can’t stop arguing. Batman and Superman have plenty of moral disgreements all the time, but I think most versions of those characters are both LG - just in different ways

3. Alignments Are NOT the Character Archetypes This Character is Associated With: Or “Alignments don’t define personality”, that also works. There are certain character types and personalities people associate with spesific Alignments: the LG Pure Knight in Shining Armor, CG Trickster, LN Strict Super Boring Guy, LE Honrable Well-Intentioned Villain, CE PURE EVUL MUAHAHAHHAHA, and well...it’s not like those archetypes don’t have a GRAIN of truth to them - you’ll probably find more eccentric tricksters who are CG then LN, it’s easier to do. The problem comes for me when people ONLY look to those archetypes to match character aligmments and don’t actually look at that character’s morals and ideals - just assume that if that character’s personality matched the personality of a stereotypical archetype of an aligmment, that must mean that they are of this aligmment.  A long long time ago (back when the StrexCorp arc of WTNV was really only starting to kick into gear, IIRC), Cecil Baldwin posted his thoughts of what would be the aligmments of the WTNV characters - I can’t find the post now because Tumblr’s search function is a piece of shit - but I had a lot of grievances with his choices, espacially of Cecil Palmer being CHAOTIC GOOD out of all things. Cecil Palmer, at the time that the tweets were made, was Lawful Neutral (i’m seriously behind on WTNV but I heard he’s started doing more Chaotic things recently, which is good! That’s character development! But LN was still his starting point). He cares a lot for the people who are close to him, but not for, like strangers, or the greater good in any sort of cosmic scale - he’s moral in the way a normal person is moral, that’s neutral. And Cecil is VERY adamant about following the strict rules and tyrannical govermment and terrible traditions of Night Vale. Sure he rebelled agaisnt StrexCorp, because they were a different horrible dystopia then what he was used to living under (this whole thing ties into other misconceptions I haven’t talked about yet maybe I should’ve organized that differently) Cecil IS the guy who hated his brother in law for YEARS for speaking Forbidden Truths and not following in line, he’s very lawful. And yet people feel weird about placing LN as Cecil’s aligmnemt - because he doesn’t behave like a LN archetype: he’s not a monk or a Knight Templer or a Super Serious Super Boring Guy, he is sort of an eccentric trickster and that’s why people, even his own ACTOR (who probably got a better grasp on the character then I’ll ever will) can fall into this hole of placing him in there - it’s about misunderstanding the alignment more then misunderstanding the character. This is just one example but I can think of others, such as people refusing to admit Chaotic characters as Chaotic because they think being a moralizing asshole is a strictly Lawful thing

4. Chaotic Evil and Lawful Good mean more then just “Ultimate Evil” and “Ultimate Good”: This is a subset of #3, but one that is so prevalent and common I feel it kinda need it’s own category. Because so many people see “Lawful Good” as meaning nothing but “the most good alignmment” and “Chaotic Evil” as meaning nothing but “the most evil alignmment”, it’s undoubtly a result of the archetype problem - with the most iconic archetypes for them being “Pure Paragon” and “PURE EVIL MUHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA”, and so people assume that’s the only sort of people who would have this aligmment - which leads to the idea that LG and CE are nothing but being “more good” or “more evil” then other alignments - which in turn makes people view the alignemnt chart (consiously or subconsiously) as less

And more of just a direct line of good\less good that’s like LG > NG > CG > LN > TN > CN > LE > NE >CE. Which is not true! Like I mentioned in 2 alignmment are very general and can be preformed in a number of ways and every good alignmment can be less or more good and every evil aligmment can be less or more evil. LG suffers from it LESS because there’s also the “Asshole Knight Templer Paladin” Archetype to show people how a LG character can also be morally ambigious, but only in this one really narrow way and they still generally have that self image of being bright and shiny. That’s why Batman is rarely listed as LG even though I think it’s the best alignment for him, Batman is not the “correct” kind of morally ambigious LG and he’s too dark and sneaky to fit the Paragon archetype. But CE has it MUCH worse, poor poor CE... Do you have any idea how many alignnment analysis posts I’ve seen that explained every alignmment’s moral basis perfectly, and then fucking fucked it up in the CE segment by doing it nothing but DESTORY EVERYTHING MUHAHAHHAHA. Or for an alternative example, take this post, What Does the Fox Say is listed as LE and Fox News as CE because CE is seen as the ultimate evil aligmment and LE seems as the “Lesser Evil” aligmment as a result of it - but one can argue that Fox News, and maybe american right wing politics in general, are more Lawful then Chaotic: due to their support of oppression, harmful tradionlism, pandering to “that’s the way it’s ALWAYS been” and attempts to push back against positive change - while memes like WDTFS are inheriently a more Chaotic force.... BUUUUUUT we thing of CE as Ultimate Evil so if we wanna insult Fox News THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. Same goes with listing characters like... the Lich from Adventure Time as CE, even though I don’t think he’s EVER shown are prefrence for Chaosness, but being the ultimate evil of the show we have to label him as CE. Again, EVERY EVIL ALIGMMENT CAN BE THE MISUNDERSTOOD KINDA OKAY BADDIE OR THE WORSE THING EVER, LE doesn’t have a monopoly on one and CE doesn’t have a monopoly on the other. A character who’s big into change and personal freedom and hates tradition but is JUST enough of an asshole to count for Evil, will be Chaotic Evil, but I feel a lot people feel weird putting that label on sympathetic characters and will probably label them as CN or even fucking LAWFUL Evil because they’re not Ultimate Evil

5. Lawful doesn’t mean blindly follow the rules all the time and Chaotic doesn’t mean LOL RANDOM: I think you’ve noticed that so far, many of the misconceptions have to do with the Lawful-Chaotic spectrum rather then the Good-Evil spectrum - for well... OBVIOUS reasons. Good and Evil are rather self explantory, everyone knows what Good and Evil is - Chaos and Law are...often a lot harder to define. The fact that D&D’s Law and Chaos’ origins are so different then what the aligmment system ended up being and that the sourcebooks often explain it poorly really doesn’t help... I’m really not suprised this got so common. So, what do I feel Lawful versus Chaotic means? Well, just like everything else about D&D aligment it’s supposed to be VERY general and simplified guideline about what you feel regarding Laws, rulers, traditions, change, The System, self-discipline, personal codes and stuff like that. Lawful does NOT mean you have to obey and follow the rules of whatever horrible oppresive place you fall into, it just means that you as a general rule thinks rules and order and traditions are a good thing to have (for your personal goals, for the greater good of the people...whatever...), while being Chaotic means you DON’T think those things are good and istead values freedom and change and lack of restriction. A Lawful Good person stuck in a Lawful Evil country that allows slavery or some shit, wouldn’t have to just stand around and accept it because it’s the law\tradition of the place - they could very well agree to rebel, but want to install a “Legitimate Ruler” afterward, or to make sure a lot of the political system remains intact after they clean out the evil bits because they believe a stable political system is better for the people, or want to destory slavery via legitimate legal means or... you know... there’s a whole bunch of options, like I said, there’s a lot of ways to be Lawful Good - but none of them include agreeing to obey obviously evil laws because being “Lawful” means more then just “blindly follow the rules”. And on the same page a Chaotic person doesn’t have to always break the rules or do something weird, they just have to believe that in general, having less rules and less traditions and more change are a positive thing. And if someone says your character can’t follow\rebel against the rules because they’re chaotic\lawful, they’re seriously missing the point, but also-

6. “YOU CAN’T DO THAT, YOU’RE [ALIGMMENT]” is a bullshit statment: Aligmments are, again, a general simplification of a character morals for the purpose of gameplay, they should not be restrictions. Unless you’re playing as an Angel or a Demon or some other shit, everyone go against their aligmment in some ways some times - because your aligmment describes you as a general overview, not every single individual action. If a player feels this or that action is 100% what their character would do in this situation, the DM and other players shouldn’t stop them based on friggin aligmment. If the action is extremely egregious (like a non-evil character buring down an orphanage for a laugh) or if it happens repeadly) then the solution should be to just change the aligmment on the sheet and that’s it? I know that here I’m talking to the makers of the games just as much as I’m talking to the fandom, but giving XP penalties for going against aligmment is more often then not just punishing your players for complex characters or character development. You see the effects of those lines of thoughts when figuring out alignments for fictional characters. Those Aligmment charts demonstrating all the Aligmment with one character are COOL and all, but they’re less cool when people are all “Oh I just can’t tell which aligmment Princess Bubblegum is because she did stuff of all aligmments at least once!”: because, yeah, she did - BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT EVERYONE DOES! Aligmments are about the general moral philosphies and not every individual action is gonna follow that. Everyone slips from their aligmment from time to time! Just because Princess Bubblegum did a Chaotic Thing once, doesn’t distract from the fact that as a general, big picture view of her character, she’s Lawful Good-leaning on Lawful Neutral. 

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