#visaenerys

[darklinaforever]

Anti-incest shippers make me laugh trying to imply our real life morality and going so far as to say that we have an incest fetish.

WTF ?

Incest is once again a super common trope in fiction that we can appreciate for various reasons linked to the narration and the issues it poses.

I like this trope, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ship every incest couple that comes my way.

For example, even if I appreciate their inclusion in the story for various reasons, I still don't ship Thomas & Lucille from Crimson Peak (even if the chemistry between the actors is great). I ship Thomas with Edith, the heroine. I don't ship Jaime & Cersei either. I ship Jaime with Brienne. Or more recently, in the film Flowers in the Attic : The origin, I do not ship the character of Corinne with Malcom, even if instead I ship her with her uncle and half-brother Christopher (🤭)... To go to Greek mythology, I certainly ship Hades & Persephone, uncle and niece incest, but I do not ship Hera & Zeus, brother and sister incest, for example.

Why don't I necessarily ship these relationships ?

A lot of factors come into play. Depending on whether a healthier and more convincing relationship is offered next door or not, for example.

I mean, clearly Thomas with Lucille, Jaime with Cersei, Corinne with Malcom, it reaches levels of toxicity leading to the probable destruction of the characters at a given moment, even the most sympathetic of the two, who we tend to like more and generally support and wish him out of this horrible relationship.

And do I need to talk about what a dysfunctional and toxic relationship Hera & Zeus is ? I do not believe. Although I know many actually like it, and it's to their credit if that's the case.

So when I'm accused of having an incest fetish and only liking a relationship if it has that aspect, that's stupid.

We ship for the chemistry, the history between the characters, what they bring to each other or not, the way they are represented within the relationship as horrible or not so horrible, etc.

As in the end... any type of ship.

It's not for nothing that we ship brothers and sisters or other members of the same family in fiction even when there is nothing incestuous between them. Usually, it's as simple as enjoying the chemistry between two actors. Nothing to do with a fetish either, since I don't ship all the fictional non-incestuous brothers and sisters that exist.

So accusing me of that is once again stupid.

It's like when I'm accused of shipping only when it's extremely problematic (especially for the woman whereas.. wtf ? I also ship when women are the bad guys, or the couples are lgbtq+ these people are stupid), which is ridiculous.

I can appreciate a ship with toxic aspects, but I will inevitably reach my limit at some point (and sometimes I'll just ship chips that are healthy). And even if I ship something truly objectively horrible in the story as this post shows :

That doesn't mean I expect the characters to get together, not at all.

I just generally appreciate the chemistry between the actors, more than the story of the characters itself which would lead me to ship which is certainly not the case when you see the horrible things that happen there.

At least, that's in my case, everyone has their own tolerance for toxic relationships depicted in fiction.

Saying that we have a fetish about incest or toxic relationships because we appreciate fictional tropes or alchemy between actors is just an excuse made by the antis so that they can justify their hateful attacks behind their screen.

Basically giving yourself a good moralizing role.

[darklinaforever]

I think I must have 3 super problematic ships. Like, you know, you sit down and say ;

"Wow. Wait, I ship that ? Really ? Why ?"

This happened to me like 3 times.

So I think I must have 3 very problematic real ships in total.

And the conclusion of why was simply due to an alchemy between the actors.

But that didn't stop me from seeing the reality of these horrible relationships as they were canonically depicted.

I generally completely hate these male characters involved and only "like them" because they fulfill their villain roles very well, with great charisma.

I like them as villain, but as an individual they just disgust me.

And ironically, my favorite scene is always the guy's death caused by the girl. Oh, how enormously satisfying that is.

You see, shipping does not prevent you from completely understanding the reality of the characters and continuing to be invested with them in the direction that the story desires.

Shipping something problematic, even at the worst level, does not take away intellect points.

And for information, these ships are :

▪︎ Jessica & Kilgrave. | Show, Jessica Jones (I will add that on first viewing, Kilgrave simply terrified me, even if today he is one of my favorite villain ever).

▪︎ Daenerys & Viserys. | Show, Game of throne (and not ASOIAF books, because once again, it's all a question of acting chemistry).

▪︎ Jack & Sandie. | Movie, Last Night In Soho.

Afterwards, there is also the case of Frollo and Esmeralda from the classic Notre Dame de Paris, whose relationship, or at least Frollo's obsession with Esmeralda, fascinates me, but I don't really count it, because Frollo finally leaves of these pretty classic Villainous Crush that have fascinated tons of people over time. And again, it's more him as Villainous Crush and character in his obsession / passion for Esmeralda that fascinates me, than me really shipping the two characters together.